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Apparently the BBC is going to air a program which questions the integrity of Sony systems and demands Sony address the problem of "YLOD." According to the program, Sony is more or less refusing to fix a problem. You can read about the program and what it will detail in the link provided. What's interesting, is that Sony has decided to counter this and a letter from Sony provides useful information, so I thought I'd bring it up here.

"The yellow indicator is simply a non-specific fault indicator that can be triggered in a range of different circumstances. For example, it could indicate a problem caused or exacerbated by the console's power supply, by overheating, by poor ventilation, by software issues or by any one of a range of issues that may inevitably affect any complex item of consumer electronics"

"The results show that of all PS3s sold in the UK to date, fewer than one half of one per cent of units have been reported as failing in circumstances where the yellow indicator is illuminated."

"The comparison with other console warranty issues is wholly inappropriate, in circumstances where – as here, and as discussed further below – there is no evidence of a manufacturing voiding defect affecting any PS3s; where the voiding identified by the expert contacted by the BBC is within the tolerance levels set out by the applicable IPC standard; and where that expert analysis considered a sample of only three units and reached no firm conclusions as to the existence of a defect that could be detrimental to device operation."

"evidence provided by organisations of this sort who have a commercial interest in the repair of electronic goods must be treated with caution."

This is good advice for both addressing RROD and YLOD, regardless of where it comes from.

"Once the warranty period has elapsed, the customer will be charged £128 (inclusive of VAT). This figure reflects the cost of repairing a PS3 to the high standard required and includes a door-to-door courier exchange service and other general administrative costs. SCEUK does not profit from this service; in fact, it operates it at a loss in order to offer customers with OOW PS3s the best price possible."

"ony has invested substantially in creating state-of-the-art diagnostic and servicing facilities to support both in-warranty and OOW repairs. As regards the purported solution to the supposed "yellow light" issue adopted by commercial repairers, effecting a reflow correctly, to the required engineering standards and in a properly controlled static-safe environment requires the use of an infra-red BGA soldering station, which must be set up and programmed to run at very specific temperature profiles. Each such station costs tens of thousands of pounds. The diagnostic equipment required to test that the solder has been performed correctly costs a similar amount."

Some unknown costs.

"Consequently, even if a yellow indicator/system shutdown were triggered by a soldering issue/voiding, it would be misleading for you to suggest to viewers that the basic solder reflow process you describe in your letter to XXXXX of 7 September 2009 is necessarily a reliable procedure when performed in that way, or that it can properly be done cheaply and quickly."

In other words, don't assume you can fix it.

"Various commercial organisations not authorised by SCEUK provide repairs to PS3s and other consumer electronic devices. For example, [Third-party repair company] – who, you informed us, participated in the "PlayStation Repair Action Team" activity which you recently staged in Great Marlborough Street (see below) – charge customers £103.50 (inclusive of VAT) to repair and return customers' PS3s which (in the company's words) are affected by the "yellow light of death". This figure is only £24.50 less than the cost to the customer of high-quality SCEUK repair, conducted using state-of-the-art equipment. In addition the consumer needs to arrange and bear the cost of getting the console to this organisation."

Consider where you send your PS3?

The letter, is of course, Sony imploring BBC not to air the program as to not cause a "panic" among PS3 owners (and of course to not scare off potential buyers). It should be noted that the person in charge of the program does freelance work for MS and the itming is very interesting.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/sony-tackles-bbc-over-ps3-failure-report

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""Presenter Iain Lee is no stranger to the videogame business, having fronted corporate events for the likes of Capcom and Microsoft. He has also been employed on a freelance basis by Microsoft, according to his work for MSN's Tech and Gadget site.""

Odd that you would add something in.
P.S: him being the presenter means he controls the show?

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""Presenter Iain Lee is no stranger to the videogame business, having fronted corporate events for the likes of Capcom and Microsoft. He has also been employed on a freelance basis by Microsoft, according to his work for MSN's Tech and Gadget site.""

Odd that you would add something in.
P.S: him being the presenter means he controls the show?

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Ah, perhaps I read over it too quickly.

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YLoD isn't even a big problem, RRoD on the other hand...

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It's not surprising that Sony did this. Whilst the RROD has been in the media spotlight on numerous occasions, the YLOD has mostly gone unnoticed due to its much smaller failure rate.

I think this is an overreaching topic on behalf of Watchdog, but I guess i'll wait and see.

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YLoD isn't even a big problem, RRoD on the other hand...

PS3_CowBoy

yea, but M$ addressed that a LONG time ago

sony has NOT addressed YLOD nor do they have any FREE warranty on it

M$'s warranty may only be 3 years, that's still alot better than sony's plan

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[QUOTE="PS3_CowBoy"]

YLoD isn't even a big problem, RRoD on the other hand...

CDUB316

yea, but M$ addressed that a LONG time ago

sony has NOT addressed YLOD nor do they have any FREE warranty on it

M$'s warranty may only be 3 years, that's still alot better than sony's plan

Sony's failure rate hardly warrants a multi-billion dollar extended warranty, as is the case with the RROD situation.

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[QUOTE="PS3_CowBoy"]

YLoD isn't even a big problem, RRoD on the other hand...

CDUB316

yea, but M$ addressed that a LONG time ago

sony has NOT addressed YLOD nor do they have any FREE warranty on it

M$'s warranty may only be 3 years, that's still alot better than sony's plan

According to the article Sony states that ""... fewer than one half of one per cent of units have been reported as failing in circumstances where the yellow indicator is illuminated." I think it's funny that MS won't give a number for theirs. Infact in Microsofts statement about the 54% RROD article they never actually denied it. http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/24/microsoft-responds-to-xbox-360-54-2-percent-failure-rate-report/

The big problem though for 360 is that there is no fix to the problem which is why a lot of people have been thru multiple consoles, the one you get back from MS is never truly fixed, it's just currently working. So after 3 years your pretty much screwed. And remember the RROD is the only issue covered by the 3 year warranty, everything else has the same exact warranty as the PS3 I personally prefer the warranty I don't have to use though.

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[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

[QUOTE="PS3_CowBoy"]

YLoD isn't even a big problem, RRoD on the other hand...

lundy86_4

yea, but M$ addressed that a LONG time ago

sony has NOT addressed YLOD nor do they have any FREE warranty on it

M$'s warranty may only be 3 years, that's still alot better than sony's plan

Sony's failure rate hardly warrants a multi-billion dollar extended warranty, as is the case with the RROD situation.

it's still a problem and it's popularity with the media is ever so increasing

YLOD and RROD are PROBLEMS with the systems production and NOT the customers care take....so it should ALL be warranted

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[QUOTE="PS3_CowBoy"]

YLoD isn't even a big problem, RRoD on the other hand...

CDUB316

yea, but M$ addressed that a LONG time ago

sony has NOT addressed YLOD nor do they have any FREE warranty on it

M$'s warranty may only be 3 years, that's still alot better than sony's plan

That's because YLOD isn't a problem in of itself. If you read the article or even my quotes, its basically the indicator that your PS3 is broken and there's no single design flaw that leads up to it. Sony is obviously addressing it here, but they're explaining that it's occurence is very small and that their warranty is in compliance with industry standards. They've also done a lot of work to address the issue and apparently even though it's expensive to send it in, the price you pay to fix it actually doesn't cover the entire costs Sony has to factor into fixing it.

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

yea, but M$ addressed that a LONG time ago

sony has NOT addressed YLOD nor do they have any FREE warranty on it

M$'s warranty may only be 3 years, that's still alot better than sony's plan

CDUB316

Sony's failure rate hardly warrants a multi-billion dollar extended warranty, as is the case with the RROD situation.

it's still a problem and it's popularity with the media is ever so increasing

YLOD and RROD are PROBLEMS with the systems production and NOT the customers care take....so it should ALL be warranted

A small percentage of all electronics fail, be it TV's, PC's, Laptops, etc etc. If the YLOD becomes a bigger problem, and it isn't implemented as a free extended warranty, then Sony is in the wrong. As it stands, they are hardly doing anything wrong. They are a business after all.

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[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

[QUOTE="PS3_CowBoy"]

YLoD isn't even a big problem, RRoD on the other hand...

ceruxx

yea, but M$ addressed that a LONG time ago

sony has NOT addressed YLOD nor do they have any FREE warranty on it

M$'s warranty may only be 3 years, that's still alot better than sony's plan

That's because YLOD isn't a problem in of itself. If you read the article or even my quotes, its basically the indicator that your PS3 is broken and there's no single design flaw that leads up to it. Sony is obviously addressing it here, but they're explaining that it's occurence is very small and that their warranty is in compliance with industry standards. They've also done a lot of work to address the issue and apparently even though it's expensive to send it in, the price you pay to fix it actually doesn't cover the entire costs Sony has to factor into fixing it.

well how much IS it to fix a PS3 YLOD? i really don't know

if it's anything like fixing a PSP 2000 ($89, just to fix some pixels in my screen, WTF!!!) then it should be pretty ridiculous

if YLOD isn't warranted the prices to fix it should at LEAST get halved

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

yea, but M$ addressed that a LONG time ago

sony has NOT addressed YLOD nor do they have any FREE warranty on it

M$'s warranty may only be 3 years, that's still alot better than sony's plan

CDUB316

Sony's failure rate hardly warrants a multi-billion dollar extended warranty, as is the case with the RROD situation.

it's still a problem and it's popularity with the media is ever so increasing

YLOD and RROD are PROBLEMS with the systems production and NOT the customers care take....so it should ALL be warranted

YLOD = "breaking" PS3. All electronics have the potential to break. YLOD can indicate failure on the part of the PS3 or on the fault of the user, for example, insufficient breathing space.

YLOD is really nothing like RROD. There are just names made by people to designate problems. The thing is, YLOD is warranted. For a year, which is the standard industry practice. The only reason RROD is given 3 years is because its a much bigger problem.

In other words, YLOD = the small percentage of PS3s that have problems.

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[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Sony's failure rate hardly warrants a multi-billion dollar extended warranty, as is the case with the RROD situation.

lundy86_4

it's still a problem and it's popularity with the media is ever so increasing

YLOD and RROD are PROBLEMS with the systems production and NOT the customers care take....so it should ALL be warranted

A small percentage of all electronics fail, be it TV's, PC's, Laptops, etc etc. If the YLOD becomes a bigger problem, and it isn't implemented as a free extended warranty, then Sony is in the wrong. As it stands, they are hardly doing anything wrong. They are a business after all.

exactly...and addressing this issue to make it more pretty to consumers would be to warranty YLOD's...that'd be a huge business move for them

i don't see what the problem is...if the YLOD ISN'T really all that occurring, then it should cost them too much to fix them...at least extend it by one year

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[QUOTE="ceruxx"]

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

yea, but M$ addressed that a LONG time ago

sony has NOT addressed YLOD nor do they have any FREE warranty on it

M$'s warranty may only be 3 years, that's still alot better than sony's plan

CDUB316

That's because YLOD isn't a problem in of itself. If you read the article or even my quotes, its basically the indicator that your PS3 is broken and there's no single design flaw that leads up to it. Sony is obviously addressing it here, but they're explaining that it's occurence is very small and that their warranty is in compliance with industry standards. They've also done a lot of work to address the issue and apparently even though it's expensive to send it in, the price you pay to fix it actually doesn't cover the entire costs Sony has to factor into fixing it.

well how much IS it to fix a PS3 YLOD? i really don't know

if it's anything like fixing a PSP 2000 ($89, just to fix some pixels in my screen, WTF!!!) then it should be pretty ridiculous

if YLOD isn't warranted the prices to fix it should at LEAST get halved

The article should give you an idea.

PS3s are not PSPs. Note that Nintendo charges $80 to fix the top screen of a DS.

They're already cut down, as implied by the article. Sony can't afford to fix all of this for free. But they do provide a service at a loss to customers to give them the best service they can afford to offer.

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

it's still a problem and it's popularity with the media is ever so increasing

YLOD and RROD are PROBLEMS with the systems production and NOT the customers care take....so it should ALL be warranted

CDUB316

A small percentage of all electronics fail, be it TV's, PC's, Laptops, etc etc. If the YLOD becomes a bigger problem, and it isn't implemented as a free extended warranty, then Sony is in the wrong. As it stands, they are hardly doing anything wrong. They are a business after all.

exactly...and addressing this issue to make it more pretty to consumers would be to warranty YLOD's...that'd be a huge business move for them

i don't see what the problem is...if the YLOD ISN'T really all that occurring, then it should cost them too much to fix them...at least extend it by one year

It wouldn't necessarily be a big business move for them. It is not guaranteed to bring in more sales, yet is guaranteed to cost more money.

If it becomes a bigger issue, then I agree, it should be extended. As it stands there is no reason for them to spend that money.

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[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

[QUOTE="ceruxx"]

That's because YLOD isn't a problem in of itself. If you read the article or even my quotes, its basically the indicator that your PS3 is broken and there's no single design flaw that leads up to it. Sony is obviously addressing it here, but they're explaining that it's occurence is very small and that their warranty is in compliance with industry standards. They've also done a lot of work to address the issue and apparently even though it's expensive to send it in, the price you pay to fix it actually doesn't cover the entire costs Sony has to factor into fixing it.

ceruxx

well how much IS it to fix a PS3 YLOD? i really don't know

if it's anything like fixing a PSP 2000 ($89, just to fix some pixels in my screen, WTF!!!) then it should be pretty ridiculous

if YLOD isn't warranted the prices to fix it should at LEAST get halved

The article should give you an idea.

PS3s are not PSPs. Note that Nintendo charges $80 to fix the top screen of a DS.

They're already cut down, as implied by the article. Sony can't afford to fix all of this for free. But they do provide a service at a loss to customers to give them the best service they can afford to offer.

i think they'd have alot more money to make better business decisions if they charged for online services...not as much as M$, but at least half

now i'm sure everyone will flame me for that, but honestly...it COULD give them alot more money to improve things

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

it's still a problem and it's popularity with the media is ever so increasing

YLOD and RROD are PROBLEMS with the systems production and NOT the customers care take....so it should ALL be warranted

CDUB316

A small percentage of all electronics fail, be it TV's, PC's, Laptops, etc etc. If the YLOD becomes a bigger problem, and it isn't implemented as a free extended warranty, then Sony is in the wrong. As it stands, they are hardly doing anything wrong. They are a business after all.

exactly...and addressing this issue to make it more pretty to consumers would be to warranty YLOD's...that'd be a huge business move for them

i don't see what the problem is...if the YLOD ISN'T really all that occurring, then it should cost them too much to fix them...at least extend it by one year

YLOD isn't such a problem that people are avoiding PS3s becasue of it. It's really small. It would be a terrible business move because it would cost them far too much money. Just because the percentage of PS3s that break is small, doesn't mean that Sony can afford it. Sony operates at a loss in different areas and their business is about balancing things in other ways to make money (licensing fees, etc). If Sony was profiting massively off the PS3 hardware, maybe, but they're made at a loss as well.

The thing about RROD is that it seems too be brought on by very specific problems, while YLOD is just code for anything wrong with a PS3 that renders it unfunctional and there is no single culprit in the design behind a broken PS3.

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[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

A small percentage of all electronics fail, be it TV's, PC's, Laptops, etc etc. If the YLOD becomes a bigger problem, and it isn't implemented as a free extended warranty, then Sony is in the wrong. As it stands, they are hardly doing anything wrong. They are a business after all.

lundy86_4

exactly...and addressing this issue to make it more pretty to consumers would be to warranty YLOD's...that'd be a huge business move for them

i don't see what the problem is...if the YLOD ISN'T really all that occurring, then it should cost them too much to fix them...at least extend it by one year

It wouldn't necessarily be a big business move for them. It is not guaranteed to bring in more sales, yet is guaranteed to cost more money.

If it becomes a bigger issue, then I agree, it should be extended. As it stands there is no reason for them to spend that money.

i understand...but like i said, as RROD's are decreasing with the new chipsets...YLOD's popularity (what little it DID have) is now increasing and becoming more of a spotlight for sony, which is why they are just NOW addressing the issue

we'll see though, maybe the slims really will be better for them...has there been any reported slims getting YLOD's? mine is running great right now

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i think they'd have alot more money to make better business decisions if they charged for online services...not as much as M$, but at least half

now i'm sure everyone will flame me for that, but honestly...it COULD give them alot more money to improve things

CDUB316

Nah, I agree. A lot of people complain about it, but the cost is pretty negligable. Unless of course you have a high expenditure above and beyond your income.

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

exactly...and addressing this issue to make it more pretty to consumers would be to warranty YLOD's...that'd be a huge business move for them

i don't see what the problem is...if the YLOD ISN'T really all that occurring, then it should cost them too much to fix them...at least extend it by one year

CDUB316

It wouldn't necessarily be a big business move for them. It is not guaranteed to bring in more sales, yet is guaranteed to cost more money.

If it becomes a bigger issue, then I agree, it should be extended. As it stands there is no reason for them to spend that money.

i understand...but like i said, as RROD's are decreasing with the new chipsets...YLOD's popularity (what little it DID have) is now increasing and becoming more of a spotlight for sony, which is why they are just NOW addressing the issue

we'll see though, maybe the slims really will be better for them...has there been any reported slims getting YLOD's? mine is running great right now

Haha, I have a feeling that if I ever get a YLOD my opinion will quickly change :P

As far s i'm aware, I haven't heard of any regarding the slims. I guess we'll see over the coming months.

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[QUOTE="ceruxx"]

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

well how much IS it to fix a PS3 YLOD? i really don't know

if it's anything like fixing a PSP 2000 ($89, just to fix some pixels in my screen, WTF!!!) then it should be pretty ridiculous

if YLOD isn't warranted the prices to fix it should at LEAST get halved

CDUB316

The article should give you an idea.

PS3s are not PSPs. Note that Nintendo charges $80 to fix the top screen of a DS.

They're already cut down, as implied by the article. Sony can't afford to fix all of this for free. But they do provide a service at a loss to customers to give them the best service they can afford to offer.

i think they'd have alot more money to make better business decisions if they charged for online services...not as much as M$, but at least half

now i'm sure everyone will flame me for that, but honestly...it COULD give them alot more money to improve things

YLOD is not a widespread problem and not really a factor in consumer decisions. Online however, is, and sony has to offer it for free to hope to compete with MS, especially when MS will always be ahead of sony due to being MS (I mean, think about sony as a company vs. Ms as a company).

It would be stupid to exchange it for warranty, because it would be eliminating a major factor for potential PS3 buyers in exchange for a much more limited amount of potential buyers, if any.

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[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

It wouldn't necessarily be a big business move for them. It is not guaranteed to bring in more sales, yet is guaranteed to cost more money.

If it becomes a bigger issue, then I agree, it should be extended. As it stands there is no reason for them to spend that money.

lundy86_4

i understand...but like i said, as RROD's are decreasing with the new chipsets...YLOD's popularity (what little it DID have) is now increasing and becoming more of a spotlight for sony, which is why they are just NOW addressing the issue

we'll see though, maybe the slims really will be better for them...has there been any reported slims getting YLOD's? mine is running great right now

Haha, I have a feeling that if I ever get a YLOD my opinion will quickly change :P

As far s i'm aware, I haven't heard of any regarding the slims. I guess we'll see over the coming months.

There will and probably has been YLOD because people make mistakes and I'm sure a couple have overheated due to bad consumer decisions already. And yes, some will probably break. I mean, it's not as if the PS3 slim will be indestructable.

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[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

i think they'd have alot more money to make better business decisions if they charged for online services...not as much as M$, but at least half

now i'm sure everyone will flame me for that, but honestly...it COULD give them alot more money to improve things

lundy86_4

Nah, I agree. A lot of people complain about it, but the cost is pretty negligable. Unless of course you have a high expenditure above and beyond your income.

yea, and sony seems to have alot of problems when updating their firmware...but look at M$, they've NEVER had a problem when updating the system

i'm not trying to sound like a fanboy, cause i'm enjoying my PS3 alot right now, but sony would just be in MUCH better shape if they charged for online

it would definitely help with the damage they received early on when the phats costed so much to make and blu-ray parts were really expensive

with slims lessened production prices and money coming in from online, they could really climb back up to the top

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YLoD isn't even a big problem, RRoD on the other hand...

CDUB316

yea, but M$ addressed that a LONG time ago

sony has NOT addressed YLOD nor do they have any FREE warranty on it

M$'s warranty may only be 3 years, that's still alot better than sony's plan

Lol mate, do you want sony to go *caugh* *caugh* bankrupt?

:roll:

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#26 CDUB316
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

i understand...but like i said, as RROD's are decreasing with the new chipsets...YLOD's popularity (what little it DID have) is now increasing and becoming more of a spotlight for sony, which is why they are just NOW addressing the issue

we'll see though, maybe the slims really will be better for them...has there been any reported slims getting YLOD's? mine is running great right now

ceruxx

Haha, I have a feeling that if I ever get a YLOD my opinion will quickly change :P

As far s i'm aware, I haven't heard of any regarding the slims. I guess we'll see over the coming months.

There will and probably has been YLOD because people make mistakes and I'm sure a couple have overheated due to bad consumer decisions already. And yes, some will probably break. I mean, it's not as if the PS3 slim will be indestructable.

well the slim does get REALLY hot on the bottom...but i left it on for 8 hours the first night and downloaded a bunch of demos

it didnt' turn off like i hear the phats do when they overheat

the system itself gets pretty hot, but it doesn't throw a bunch of hot air out of the vents like the phat did

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#27 ceruxx
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

i think they'd have alot more money to make better business decisions if they charged for online services...not as much as M$, but at least half

now i'm sure everyone will flame me for that, but honestly...it COULD give them alot more money to improve things

CDUB316

Nah, I agree. A lot of people complain about it, but the cost is pretty negligable. Unless of course you have a high expenditure above and beyond your income.

yea, and sony seems to have alot of problems when updating their firmware...but look at M$, they've NEVER had a problem when updating the system

i'm not trying to sound like a fanboy, cause i'm enjoying my PS3 alot right now, but sony would just be in MUCH better shape if they charged for online

it would definitely help with the damage they received early on when the phats costed so much to make and blu-ray parts were really expensive

with slims lessened production prices and money coming in from online, they could really climb back up to the top

Now there's a valid problem. I'm surprised I'm not seeing threads on this in SW, because 3.0 turned out to be a disaster and I hear 3.1 is causing even more problems.

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#28 CDUB316
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[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

[QUOTE="PS3_CowBoy"]

YLoD isn't even a big problem, RRoD on the other hand...

rabisu999

yea, but M$ addressed that a LONG time ago

sony has NOT addressed YLOD nor do they have any FREE warranty on it

M$'s warranty may only be 3 years, that's still alot better than sony's plan

Lol mate, do you want sony to go *caugh* *caugh* bankrupt?

:roll:

no, i just want them to charge for online services and make EVERYTHING better in the process

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yea, and sony seems to have alot of problems when updating their firmware...but look at M$, they've NEVER had a problem when updating the system

i'm not trying to sound like a fanboy, cause i'm enjoying my PS3 alot right now, but sony would just be in MUCH better shape if they charged for online

it would definitely help with the damage they received early on when the phats costed so much to make and blu-ray parts were really expensive

with slims lessened production prices and money coming in from online, they could really climb back up to the top

CDUB316

They certainly aren't the best at writing software it seems. I think Microsoft has a leg up in that regard, considering their vast experience in coding software, all be it for a different system.

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#30 CDUB316
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[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Nah, I agree. A lot of people complain about it, but the cost is pretty negligable. Unless of course you have a high expenditure above and beyond your income.

ceruxx

yea, and sony seems to have alot of problems when updating their firmware...but look at M$, they've NEVER had a problem when updating the system

i'm not trying to sound like a fanboy, cause i'm enjoying my PS3 alot right now, but sony would just be in MUCH better shape if they charged for online

it would definitely help with the damage they received early on when the phats costed so much to make and blu-ray parts were really expensive

with slims lessened production prices and money coming in from online, they could really climb back up to the top

Now there's a valid problem. I'm surprised I'm not seeing threads on this in SW, because 3.0 turned out to be a disaster and I hear 3.1 is causing even more problems.

yea, there's a thread on the PS3 board...evidently there are reports from people saying that it fixed uncharted and bioshock, the two games 3.00 had problems with, but is now having problems with EVERY other game....so it did the vice versa and helped out those two games, but screwed up everything else

that's just a falcon punch right in the face if this is true

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[QUOTE="ceruxx"]

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

yea, and sony seems to have alot of problems when updating their firmware...but look at M$, they've NEVER had a problem when updating the system

i'm not trying to sound like a fanboy, cause i'm enjoying my PS3 alot right now, but sony would just be in MUCH better shape if they charged for online

it would definitely help with the damage they received early on when the phats costed so much to make and blu-ray parts were really expensive

with slims lessened production prices and money coming in from online, they could really climb back up to the top

CDUB316

Now there's a valid problem. I'm surprised I'm not seeing threads on this in SW, because 3.0 turned out to be a disaster and I hear 3.1 is causing even more problems.

yea, there's a thread on the PS3 board...evidently there are reports from people saying that it fixed uncharted and bioshock, the two games 3.00 had problems with, but is now having problems with EVERY other game....so it did the vice versa and helped out those two games, but screwed up everything else

that's just a falcon punch right in the face if this is true

I wonder what the problem is. Sony should go back to 2.8, build it up to make it look like 3.0 but work with all games.

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no, i just want them to charge for online services and make EVERYTHING better in the processCDUB316

Wait for Battle.net 2.0 and you will see that Live-like features can work for Free ;]

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The results show that of all PS3s sold in the UK to date, fewer than one half of one per cent of units have been reported as failing in circumstances where the yellow indicator is illuminated."

ceruxx

fewer than 1/2 of 1%........ damn! this is unacceptable. the ylod is out of control

/sarcasm

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#34 CDUB316
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[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

[QUOTE="ceruxx"]

Now there's a valid problem. I'm surprised I'm not seeing threads on this in SW, because 3.0 turned out to be a disaster and I hear 3.1 is causing even more problems.

ceruxx

yea, there's a thread on the PS3 board...evidently there are reports from people saying that it fixed uncharted and bioshock, the two games 3.00 had problems with, but is now having problems with EVERY other game....so it did the vice versa and helped out those two games, but screwed up everything else

that's just a falcon punch right in the face if this is true

I wonder what the problem is. Sony should go back to 2.8, build it up to make it look like 3.0 but work with all games.

yea, i hope they fix it soon...i didn't get a slim for this

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#35 L30KinG
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you can take precaution for the YLOd, most problemas are regarding ventilation, something you can do

so YLOD is'nt that big

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I love how outraged lemmings are about Sony not covering the YLOD. At least with our purchase we get free wi-fi and free internet service along with a 99.5% chance that the YLOD won't even happen.
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#37 CDUB316
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I love how outraged lemmings are about Sony not covering the YLOD. At least with our purchase we get free wi-fi and free internet service along with a 99.5% chance that the YLOD won't even happen.MasteRich

eh, like i said...i would LOVE if sony started to charge for their online

although i do like the free wi-fi...lol

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#38 rabisu999
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BBC should also make a reality check of 2005 E3 Sony's press conference ;)