Sony to Inspect PlayStation Hackers Hard Drive

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SAN FRANCISCO — PlayStation 3 jailbreaker George Hotz must allow console-maker Sony to comb through his computer's hard drive and retrieve information "that relates to the hacking of the PlayStation," a federal judge ruled Thursday.

U.S. District Judge Susan Illston's ruled from the bench in Sony's ongoing legal action against the New Jersey hacker, who goes by GeoHot. The lawsuit is in connection tothe 21-year-old being the first to fully hack the 4-year-old console, a jailbreak allowing it to play pirated and home-brewed games.

Hotz posted the code on his website last month, and put a how-to video on YouTube. That landed him in court here on Digital Millennium Copyright Act civil allegations. Among other things, Sony accuses him of trafficking in devices that circumvent controls meant to protect copyrighted works.

In the Thursday hearing, Hotz' attorney, Stewart Kellar, objected to the judge's bench order, saying Sony would be able to "observe" the contents of all his client's files.

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SAN FRANCISCO - PlayStation 3 jailbreaker George Hotz must allow console-maker Sony to comb through his computer's hard drive and retrieve information "that relates to the hacking of the PlayStation," a federal judge ruled Thursday.

U.S. District Judge Susan Illston's ruled from the bench in Sony's ongoing legal action against the New Jersey hacker, who goes by GeoHot. The lawsuit is in connection tothe 21-year-old being the first to fully hack the 4-year-old console, a jailbreak allowing it to play pirated and home-brewed games.

Hotz posted the code on his website last month, and put a how-to video on YouTube. That landed him in court here on Digital Millennium Copyright Act civil allegations. Among other things, Sony accuses him of trafficking in devices that circumvent controls meant to protect copyrighted works.

In the Thursday hearing, Hotz' attorney, Stewart Kellar, objected to the judge's bench order, saying Sony would be able to "observe" the contents of all his client's files.

All he has to do is reformat the hard drive before they get to it. I'm sure there are enough people that can get him back any of the info...

All he has to do is reformat the hard drive before they get to it. I'm sure there are enough people that can get him back any of the info...

KevinnButlerNPK

Well, geohot had to turn over all his computer equipment to the court a couple weeks ago. So it may be to late to do that.

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"]

All he has to do is reformat the hard drive before they get to it. I'm sure there are enough people that can get him back any of the info...

mrmcygan

Well, geohot had to turn over all his computer equipment to the court a couple weeks ago. So it may be to late to do that.

Do you honostly think he wouldn't have before he turned it in?

[QUOTE="mrmcygan"]

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"]

All he has to do is reformat the hard drive before they get to it. I'm sure there are enough people that can get him back any of the info...

KevinnButlerNPK

Well, geohot had to turn over all his computer equipment to the court a couple weeks ago. So it may be to late to do that.

Do you honostly think he wouldn't have before he turned it in?

you never know

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"]

All he has to do is reformat the hard drive before they get to it. I'm sure there are enough people that can get him back any of the info...

mrmcygan

Well, geohot had to turn over all his computer equipment to the court a couple weeks ago. So it may be to late to do that.

even if he did format his harddrive before giving it to the courts, he would have gotten in much bigger trouble. I believe that would be a felony to tamper with evidence.

now if Hotz had formatted it weeks before going to court in the first place, then he would have been fine. But after the courts asked for his computer, and they gave him a week to send it in. If Hotz was stupid enough to alter anything that would help his case, during that week. Yeah this little trail wouldn't mean squat compared to what he would have had coming to him.

[QUOTE="mrmcygan"]

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"]

All he has to do is reformat the hard drive before they get to it. I'm sure there are enough people that can get him back any of the info...

Afrikanxl

Well, geohot had to turn over all his computer equipment to the court a couple weeks ago. So it may be to late to do that.

even if he did format his harddrive before giving it to the courts, he would have gotten in much bigger trouble. I believe that would be a felony to tapper with evidence.

now if Hotz had formatted it weeks before going to court in the first place, then he would have been fine. But after the courts asked for his computer, and they gave him a week to send it in. If Hotz was stupid enough to alter anything that would help his case, during that week. Yeah this little trail wouldn't mean squat compared to what he would have had coming to him.

evidence for what

jailbreaking the ps3? legal 8)

I think this story is starting to get to the ugly parts

[QUOTE="Afrikanxl"]

[QUOTE="mrmcygan"]

Well, geohot had to turn over all his computer equipment to the court a couple weeks ago. So it may be to late to do that.

Snakemaster9

even if he did format his harddrive before giving it to the courts, he would have gotten in much bigger trouble. I believe that would be a felony to tapper with evidence.

now if Hotz had formatted it weeks before going to court in the first place, then he would have been fine. But after the courts asked for his computer, and they gave him a week to send it in. If Hotz was stupid enough to alter anything that would help his case, during that week. Yeah this little trail wouldn't mean squat compared to what he would have had coming to him.

evidence for what

jailbreaking the ps3? legal 8)

his computer is considered evidence in this case....he deletes something (which Sony and other investigators can still dig up/ or prove) he gets in big trouble. Jail time. :|

All he has to do is reformat the hard drive before they get to it. I'm sure there are enough people that can get him back any of the info...

KevinnButlerNPK

.......You need to do more than that to scrub information off a hard drive.. Powerful software can recover deleted files off of a hard drive.

his computer is considered evidence in this case....he deletes something (which Sony and other investigers can still dig up/ or prove) he gets in big trouble. Jail time. :|

Afrikanxl

He's a hacker who is obviously smarter then anyone at Sony. They wouldn't even know if he tampered with it in the 1st place.

All he has to do is reformat the hard drive before they get to it. I'm sure there are enough people that can get him back any of the info...

KevinnButlerNPK

It's kinda more complicated than that. Reformatting your HDD doesn't always wipe everything away. It will make it harder for Sony, but there are ways to recover some of the deleted content.

[QUOTE="Snakemaster9"]

[QUOTE="Afrikanxl"]

even if he did format his harddrive before giving it to the courts, he would have gotten in much bigger trouble. I believe that would be a felony to tapper with evidence.

now if Hotz had formatted it weeks before going to court in the first place, then he would have been fine. But after the courts asked for his computer, and they gave him a week to send it in. If Hotz was stupid enough to alter anything that would help his case, during that week. Yeah this little trail wouldn't mean squat compared to what he would have had coming to him.

Afrikanxl

evidence for what

jailbreaking the ps3? legal 8)

his computer is considered evidence in this case....he deletes something (which Sony and other investigators can still dig up/ or prove) he gets in big trouble. Jail time. :|

:| It wouldn't work either way powerful software can retrieve data even after you delete it.. You need a special program shredder, not a free one but a professional grade powerful one to make a file 100% sure that it can't be retrieved.

[QUOTE="Afrikanxl"]

[QUOTE="Snakemaster9"]

evidence for what

jailbreaking the ps3? legal 8)

sSubZerOo

his computer is considered evidence in this case....he deletes something (which Sony and other investigators can still dig up/ or prove) he gets in big trouble. Jail time. :|

:| It wouldn't work either way powerful software can retrieve data even after you delete it.. You need a special program shredder, not a free one but a professional grade powerful one to make a file 100% sure that it can't be retrieved.

not just that...but he would have to make it so, as if it were never there in the first place....he would have to cover ALL his tracks regarding various files. Because again, if there is ANYTHING there that shows something is missing, or something was edited at a specific date...then that shows he tampered with something....and that is enough to piss off a court.

Hotz has been an adult for 3 years now. He will get treated like an adult.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Afrikanxl"]

his computer is considered evidence in this case....he deletes something (which Sony and other investigators can still dig up/ or prove) he gets in big trouble. Jail time. :|

Afrikanxl

:| It wouldn't work either way powerful software can retrieve data even after you delete it.. You need a special program shredder, not a free one but a professional grade powerful one to make a file 100% sure that it can't be retrieved.

not just that...but he would have to make it so, as if it were never there in the first place....he would have to cover ALL his tracks regarding various files. Because again, if there is ANYTHING there that shows something is missing, or something was edited at a specific date...then that shows he tampered with something....and that is enough to piss off a court.

Hotz has been an adult for 3 years now. He will get treated like an adult.

Yeah but they didn't take his equipment or ask for it for a couple of weeks after the trial. I'm pretty sure an elite hacker such as himself would've deleted evidence of anything "illegal to sony" and if he did so before the court order came in he broke no laws.

[QUOTE="Afrikanxl"]

his computer is considered evidence in this case....he deletes something (which Sony and other investigers can still dig up/ or prove) he gets in big trouble. Jail time. :|

KevinnButlerNPK

He's a hacker who is obviously smarter then anyone at Sony. They wouldn't even know if he tampered with it in the 1st place.

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SAN FRANCISCO - PlayStation 3 jailbreaker George Hotz must allow console-maker Sony to comb through his computer's hard drive and retrieve information "that relates to the hacking of the PlayStation," a federal judge ruled Thursday.

U.S. District Judge Susan Illston's ruled from the bench in Sony's ongoing legal action against the New Jersey hacker, who goes by GeoHot. The lawsuit is in connection tothe 21-year-old being the first to fully hack the 4-year-old console, a jailbreak allowing it to play pirated and home-brewed games.

Hotz posted the code on his website last month, and put a how-to video on YouTube. That landed him in court here on Digital Millennium Copyright Act civil allegations. Among other things, Sony accuses him of trafficking in devices that circumvent controls meant to protect copyrighted works.

In the Thursday hearing, Hotz' attorney, Stewart Kellar, objected to the judge's bench order, saying Sony would be able to "observe" the contents of all his client's files.

Theyre going to find SOOOOOOOO much porn.

"We found child porn! Arrest this man!"tagyhag

I lol'ed

All he has to do is reformat the hard drive before they get to it. I'm sure there are enough people that can get him back any of the info...

KevinnButlerNPK

"We found child porn! Arrest this man!"tagyhag

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"]

All he has to do is reformat the hard drive before they get to it. I'm sure there are enough people that can get him back any of the info...

djsifer01

wishful thinking, but its kind I can get behind.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]"We found child porn! Arrest this man!"johny300

All he has to do is reformat the hard drive before they get to it. I'm sure there are enough people that can get him back any of the info...

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SAN FRANCISCO - PlayStation 3 jailbreaker George Hotz must allow console-maker Sony to comb through his computer's hard drive and retrieve information "that relates to the hacking of the PlayStation," a federal judge ruled Thursday.

U.S. District Judge Susan Illston's ruled from the bench in Sony's ongoing legal action against the New Jersey hacker, who goes by GeoHot. The lawsuit is in connection tothe 21-year-old being the first to fully hack the 4-year-old console, a jailbreak allowing it to play pirated and home-brewed games.

Hotz posted the code on his website last month, and put a how-to video on YouTube. That landed him in court here on Digital Millennium Copyright Act civil allegations. Among other things, Sony accuses him of trafficking in devices that circumvent controls meant to protect copyrighted works.

In the Thursday hearing, Hotz' attorney, Stewart Kellar, objected to the judge's bench order, saying Sony would be able to "observe" the contents of all his client's files.

It amazes me that people are trying to say hes innocent.

It amazes me that people are trying to say hes innocent.

XboximusPrime

Then tell me which horrible crime he did commit?

jailbreaking, homebrew and sharing information is legal.

[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

It amazes me that people are trying to say hes innocent.

USS_Data

Then tell me which horrible crime he did commit?

jailbreaking, homebrew and sharing information is legal.

Question for you..Does the DMCA say anything about jailbreaking Consoles???...Yes or No???...

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[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

It amazes me that people are trying to say hes innocent.

Promised_Trini

Then tell me which horrible crime he did commit?

jailbreaking, homebrew and sharing information is legal.

Question for you..Does the DMCA say anything about jailbreaking Consoles???...Yes or No???...

Question for you.... Does the DMCA say it is illegal? Yes or No?????

[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

It amazes me that people are trying to say hes innocent.

KiZZo1

Then tell me which horrible crime he did commit?

jailbreaking, homebrew and sharing information is legal.

Bypassing copyright protection systems is not.

GeoHot said somewhere that the only information that could get him into trouble was encrypted (wow, so he an idea that his actions might be questionable).

Deleting files does not remove them from the disk, but GeoHot knows that. Low level format might do that, but depending on the equipment Sony has, it might still be retrievable. Due to the misalignment of the HD heads with time, sometimes, the old information can be read from the side of the sector. I've read this in a security book and I don't know the extent to which it's applicable.

Encrypting his data however is almost guaranteed to protect his data. I think it will be hard to prove that there is any data at all as opposed to random gibberish.

He did nothing illegal jailbreaking the PS3 to enable homebrew is legal. And Sony can whine about it all they want it won't change a thing about the fact Geohotz did nothing that wasn't legal.

Sony is just pathetic andI hope the hackers out there make the NGP their number one priority to hack it within the week it comes out just to annoy Sony even more.

I have more respect for MS and Nintendo how they handle the matter instead of like Sony crying like a little baby who doesn't get his way.

[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

He did nothing illegal jailbreaking the PS3 to enable homebrew is legal. And Sony can whine about it all they want it won't change a thing about the fact Geohotz did nothing that wasn't legal.

KiZZo1

He took part in bypassing a copyright protection system. There was a video of Castlevania, modified as a downloadable game and signed with the key GeoHot provided. He knew the consequences of publishing that key.

BTW, I'm not that deep into the hacker culture, but aren't the good hackers supposed to contact the system owner and try to work with them in fixing the issue. I'm more than certain that I've read about such cases. If Sony had told him to gtfo, I would understand him publishing the keys.

The Castlevania you saw running was not on Geohotz custom firmware but on custom firmware by other people. So once again Geohotz did nothing wrong his cfw only allows homebrew and nothing else. Just because other people expand on his work for illegal means is not his fault that's just the way things work. All Sony is accomplishing with this is the hate of the hacker community and marking themselves with a big bullseye. I wish Sony luck in the future with their products.

[QUOTE="Promised_Trini"]

[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

Then tell me which horrible crime he did commit?

jailbreaking, homebrew and sharing information is legal.

USS_Data

Question for you..Does the DMCA say anything about jailbreaking Consoles???...Yes or No???...

Question for you.... Does the DMCA say it is illegal? Yes or No?????

Don't try to turn around and ask me..I asked a simple question about jail breaking a console...I know it's not illegal for cellphone devices..I asked about consoles...

People are suggesting Geohot tamper with evidence and commit a felony of more severity than what he's currently in litigation for? Idiocy.

[QUOTE="Promised_Trini"]

[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

Then tell me which horrible crime he did commit?

jailbreaking, homebrew and sharing information is legal.

USS_Data

Question for you..Does the DMCA say anything about jailbreaking Consoles???...Yes or No???...

Question for you.... Does the DMCA say it is illegal? Yes or No?????

People are suggesting Geohot tamper with evidence and commit a felony of more severity than what he's currently in litigation for? Idiocyshinrabanshou

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"]

[QUOTE="Afrikanxl"]

his computer is considered evidence in this case....he deletes something (which Sony and other investigers can still dig up/ or prove) he gets in big trouble. Jail time. :|

PS2_ROCKS

He's a hacker who is obviously smarter then anyone at Sony. They wouldn't even know if he tampered with it in the 1st place.

If Sony was so much smarter, how did any hacker get in in the 1st place? All Sony is doing is shooting a rubberband at a hornets nest thinking that it will scare them away. Hackers can get into the most secure computer systems on the planet, Sony is nothing to them...

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"]

All he has to do is reformat the hard drive before they get to it. I'm sure there are enough people that can get him back any of the info...

sSubZerOo

.......You need to do more than that to scrub information off a hard drive.. Powerful software can recover deleted files off of a hard drive.

Truecrypt with dual partition** says Hi. You can run the virtual machine's disk file within the Truecrypt hidden partition.

**Dummy and hidden partition.Hidden partition "provides plausible deniability, in case an adversary forces you to reveal the password".

Anyway, refer to UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, PLAINTIFF, v. THOMAS J. KIRSCHNER, DEFENDANT.

Accordingly, the Court quashes the subpoena requiring Defendant to testify -- giving up his password -- thereby protecting his invocation of his Fifth Amendment privilege against compelled self-incrimination

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"]

All he has to do is reformat the hard drive before they get to it. I'm sure there are enough people that can get him back any of the info...

djsifer01

A proper security paranoid user would have encrypted his/her hard disk.

All he has to do is reformat the hard drive before they get to it. I'm sure there are enough people that can get him back any of the info...