Sony tried locking major 3rd-party game into exclusivity deal (but the devs said no)

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#1  Edited By Worlds_Apart
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PlayStation tried to lock a major third-party game into an exclusivity deal (but the devs said no) — but still, it looks like Xbox fans will continue having to endure exclusionary deals like 'Silent Hill 2' going forward.

What you need to know

  • Crimson Desert is an upcoming action adventure title from Korea-based Pearl Abyss, and it looks pretty damn great.
  • The game has been announced for Xbox Series X|S, PlayStation 5, and PC, although there's another timeline where Xbox would be excluded.
  • A recent session at Kiwoom Securities in Korea with Pearl Abyss revealed that PlayStation had attempted to lock Xbox out of Crimson Desert, in much the same way it did with games like Silent Hill 2, Final Fantasy 7, and more.
  • Microsoft has seen some of its own third-party exclusivity deals bear fruit for Xboxo in recent years, with Q1 viral-hit Palworld, and soon, STALKER 2, set to release in November.

On paper, 2024 looked like it might have been a light year for PlayStation.

With few first-party titles on the docket, 2024 looked as though the lion's share of first-party exclusive game launches would land for Xbox Series X|S instead in the great battle of the high-end consoles. The reality, however, hasn't exactly panned out that way. Thanks to some savvy timed exclusivity deals across games likeFinal Fantasy 7 Rebirth,Silent Hill 2,Black Myth Wukong, and Stellar Blade, PlayStation was still able to boast an incredibly strong line-up of exclusive titles for its core fans. PlayStation'sConcordmight have been a uniquely spectacular failure, butHelldivers 2and Astrobot have more than made up for it. Conversely, Xbox first-party efforts likeHellblade 2andStarfield: Shattered Spacelaunched to mixed opinions, while other games likeARA: History Untoldhave skipped Xbox altogether so far. Microsoft has also seen other titles likeAvowedandTowerbornepick up delays into 2025. Xbox has had its own wins too, though, but more on that in a minute.

Indeed, why are we talking about all of this? The timed exclusivity discourse heated up again today, with news that another major third-party title might have been gobbled up by PlayStation to the detriment of Xbox customers.

Korea-based financial reporter shared details on the session with Pearl Abyss (via Knoebel), which revealed some details about how Sony attempted to lock Xbox customers out of access to hotly anticipated Crimson Desert, while also scooping up the PC distribution rights in the process. The reporter has since offered their own English translation of the proceedings, which you can read below.

"We [Pearl Abyss] spent a lot of time considering our release strategy. Sony has essentially seen the entire game and expressed interest in publishing it, offering several favorable terms. If we had gone with Sony as a publisher, the game would have been exclusive to PlayStation for a year, with no release on Xbox, and PC distribution rights would also belong to Sony. Despite these restrictions, Sony's marketing power and various unique incentives were appealing. However, after evaluating the expected sales and revenue-sharing structure, we decided that self-publishing would be more beneficial. It's 99% certain that we will publish the game ourselves.

Recently, Stellar Blade signed an exclusive deal with Sony, but that was mainly because they didn't have the necessary publishing team, unlike us.

In a typical contract, 30% of revenue goes to platform fees, and the remaining 70% is split between the developer and publisher. Since we already have the capability to self-publish globally and have overseas branches, we concluded that using our own resources would be more advantageous."

Crimson Desert is a fantastic-looking title, from the same studio that brought us Black Desert Online. Crimson Desert is, however, a single-player title, which has been compared to The Witcher 3 and other high-fidelity action adventure RPG games.

Thankfully, publisher Pearl Abyss sidestepped Sony's "lucrative" offers, but what intrigues me is the fact that it doesn't sound like Xbox was in the running at all.

Xbox has been known to grab exclusivity deals of its own, but it tends to come in early and help fund development. STALKER 2 is one such example. STALKER 2 is an independently-developed game and is absolutely fantastic-looking so far, but Microsoft has pretty much been there since the start of this current iteration of the game, per our interview with the developers. Microsoft also landed an exclusivity deal with Palworld, which was similarly "indie" and developed using funds from Microsoft. Pearl Abyss describes Sony as having seeing the "entire" game almost, which suggests these deals are less about helping developers from the outset, and more about locking out Xbox from the equation.

It's a business strategy that clearly works for PlayStation, which is outselling Xbox Series X|S at a rapid pace. Xbox fans have celebrated this year that titles like Final Fantasy 16 got essentially confirmed for an Xbox version, while Genshin Impact is finally set to hit Xbox — but fans are getting them several years after the fact.

If I'm a customer deciding which console ecosystem to buy into or buy for my coming-of-age young gamer relative, do I get the one that has more exclusive games or the one that has fewer?

Should Xbox be more aggressive in pursuing third-party deals like PlayStation?

Microsoft once tried its hand at a third-party timed exclusivity deal, and the backlash from the mainstream media was absolutely palpable. Rise of the Tomb Raider was very briefly exclusive to Xbox One consoles and PC, and since then, Microsoft has avoided committing itself to similar deals, likely in fear of triggering a similar backlash. Meanwhile, PlayStation has never really been subjected to the same scrutiny over its Xbox-exclusionary deals.

Xbox is clearly going to benefit from its partnership with GSC Game World on STALKER 2, however. It also benefitted from timed Xbox exclusivity with PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds, which remains one of the world's biggest service games. But these types of exclusivity deals may be on the way out for reasons Pearl Abyss itself described. Square Enix has famously sworn off doing further timed exclusivity deals with PlayStation and has begun revamping its developer pipeline to support simultaneous multi-platform launches.

There's also the Nintendo Switch 2 wildcard. A more powerful Nintendo Switch 2 will likely lend itself well to receiving a greater share of AAA game support, without the types of compromises its aging predecessor requires. In that universe, does PlayStation continue to simply target Xbox for exclusionary deals, or does it pay more to also exclude Nintendo? If it's the former (and it most likely is the former), then I think Microsoft has a duty to its customers to get ahead of the curve.

I would argue it's neglectful of Microsoft to have even allowed PlayStation to lock games like Silent Hill 2, Black Myth Wukong, and Final Fantasy 7 into exclusivity contracts, given the chilling effect it has over broader customer and developer faith in the Xbox platform. Obviously, you can't win them all - but if you can't win them all, then perhaps it would be savvy business to seek out more of your own deals like PUBG, Stalker 2, and Palworld. Things have gotten better over the years, but Xbox should still have an answer lined up for every major piece of content that skips the Xbox platform owing to exclusionary deals. And this is all without getting into the Xbox multiplatform strategy discourse, by which Microsoft itself has begun giving Sony money directly to help them essentially fund these types of deals. But hey, it works both ways. Through game sales on PlayStation, Xbox should have more money of its own too to fund exclusivity deals, right? Righhht?

Look I have nothing against Sony, and I don't care about the system wars anymore, but I thought they were ""For the players""? How is making people like me who don't own a PS5, buy one in order to play third party games, for the players?

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@worlds_apart: yeah, they do this all the time.

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#4 Worlds_Apart
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@dabear: it sucks really. Especially as it's a 3rd party game. Those shouldn't be exclusives.

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They're not known worldwide as Phony, the one and only for nuttin ya know. ;o

lol :P

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when people ask why Microsoft/Xbox started buying huge publishers, this is why..

Sony wanted to buy up exclusivity for Starfield.. Sony locked away exclusive content for Call of Duty..

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We all know Sony always does these shady back door deals.

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@worlds_apart said:

@dabear: it sucks really. Especially as it's a 3rd party game. Those shouldn't be exclusives.

No, they shouldn't. MS has adopted the strategy that they will not "pay" for 3rd party game timed-exclusiveness. That was a bad decision, because it has been a solid business strategy for Sony for over a decade.

Not sure it's viable in the future, given the increase in costs of games. When SE loses it's a$$ because of some Final Fantasy exclusive deal with Sony, the writing is on the wall.

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Shocker! Sony has been doing this since PS1 (and it wasn't JUST because Nintendo f-ed up, between CES 91 and N64 carts). Even Hironobu Sakaguchi admitted he felt like he "cheated" on Nintendo at the time.

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@Antwan3K said:

when people ask why Microsoft/Xbox started buying huge publishers, this is why..

Sony wanted to buy up exclusivity for Starfield.. Sony locked away exclusive content for Call of Duty..

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@R4gn4r0k said:

We all know Sony always does these shady back door deals.

That classic Sony money hat move

I dont even see the benefit in alot of them doing it.

Steler Blade for example would have made much more being on Xbox/PC

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Typical Sony doing their thing. 😅

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@sargentd said:
@R4gn4r0k said:

We all know Sony always does these shady back door deals.

That classic Sony money hat move

I dont even see the benefit in alot of them doing it.

Steler Blade for example would have made much more being on Xbox/PC

I'm glad that Stellar Blade and Rise of the Ronin look like they are coming to PC.

But yeah I literally don't know what the point is of locking out Xbox, it's literally AMD architecture that is very similar to PS5. Sony should cool down on the money hatting, and should try and make more games internally.

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@nintendoboy16 said:
@Antwan3K said:

when people ask why Microsoft/Xbox started buying huge publishers, this is why..

Sony wanted to buy up exclusivity for Starfield.. Sony locked away exclusive content for Call of Duty..

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@R4gn4r0k said:
@sargentd said:

That classic Sony money hat move

I dont even see the benefit in alot of them doing it.

Steler Blade for example would have made much more being on Xbox/PC

I'm glad that Stellar Blade and Rise of the Ronin look like they are coming to PC.

But yeah I literally don't know what the point is of locking out Xbox, it's literally AMD architecture that is very similar to PS5. Sony should cool down on the money hatting, and should try and make more games internally.

I mean, Xbox struggling in Asian markets (especially Japan and South Korea) and being the third place console with a defeatist first party isn't helping matters.

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#16  Edited By GirlUSoCrazy
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Microsoft has said for a long time now that they will no longer be paying for third party exclusivity like they used to, so this probably makes it easier and more frequent for Nintendo and Sony to do this. It seems like business logic to try to take advantage of this.

"I want to have strong third-party relations, but paying for many third-party exclusives isn't our long-term strategy."

It seems like the long term strategy for MS is to have no exclusives on Xbox.

"Our device is not the center of our strategy"

It seems like they want to pay for third parties to have their games on Game Pass instead and focus on that.

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Exclusivity but still getting day 1 pc is great. Most Xbox users already dont buy games so not like including them do much for your revenue vs a $10m - $40m guaranteed from Sony/Nintendo.

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@worlds_apart: hmm, I'm not sure how this will play out going forward, since MS owns the biggest publishers in the world. Most gamers don't really care about stellar blade, or some other no name brand games, or even black myth wukong (another no name game, whih is coming to xbox anyways). Fans care about CoD, about Halo, about madden, nba and fifa. Warcraft, diablo has 100 times the fan base of the no name type games sony is locking in to its 2nd party. Similar story with bethesda games. After AB was aquired...far more people are buying into the xbox platform, whether thats on console or PC.

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#19  Edited By Antwan3K
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@nintendoboy16 said:
@Antwan3K said:

when people ask why Microsoft/Xbox started buying huge publishers, this is why..

Sony wanted to buy up exclusivity for Starfield.. Sony locked away exclusive content for Call of Duty..

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according to fanboys, Xbox is full 3rd party so what's the problem.. 🤷‍♂️

at least now, Sony can't money-hat away Bethesda and ABK as exclusives from other platforms anymore..

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Why is everyone crying about Sony doing this? It's called business. If Nintendo or MS did this then it's fair game. I see nothing wrong with it. MS buys publishers. And guess what? That's fine too. If you ran a huge business and you're not doing what it takes to make your business the most successful, then you're probably not doing your job right.

To those here acting like MS are saints is hilarious. They do the same thing every gen with some of the biggest games. (Halo, Gears, Starfield). You know what I do? Buy their consoles and play them :)

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Sony strategy.... Overpriced hardware,remasters,shit Gaas games and paying to keep games of other platforms.

And they think they are winning
And they think they are winning

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@satorihanzo: Clearly you don't remember the reaction when Nintendo salvaged the Bayonetta IP. Still a tons of anti-Nintendo folk in that fandom too (sans being in Smash because EVERYONE wants that piece since Snake and Cloud).

Microsoft and especially Nintendo (given past history that ended up giving them the reputation of Bond villains and their terrorist orgs during Gen Five and Six) get the most riffed when they do it.

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Why?

They don't need to do that... they have plenty of great stuff like Last of us 2 Remastered, HZD remastered and probably Days Gone Remastered. Hopefully Dad of War and Ghosts of Tsushima Remastered coming in 2026 too.

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@nintendoboy16: I remember. I don't care about the Bayonetta games, but I can see why some would be frustrated. First game was multiplat, then the sequel is exclusive. If you really like Bayonetta though, then maybe get over it and buy a switch?

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its ok for xbox to buy the entire third party developer but not ok for sony to buy one game exclusively?

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@gifford38: Both are bad.

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@satorihanzo: They use Nintendo's consistency to release weaker hardware since the Wii (their last "powerful" system bombed) makes justify not wanting to buy a Switch... even though fans of PC Gaming use emulators to be annoying about how Nintendo's games "could be better" with better hardware or multiplat (the latter argument... Just give Nintendo a Beretta and call it "Russian Roulette").

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I'm surprised we're even hearing about it, I'd of figured even the negotiation or attempted negotiation of any exclusivity deal would be protected by a boilerplate NDA. And perhaps there is one, but it'd be bad optics for Sony to pursue that I'd imagine.

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@Antwan3K said:

according to fanboys, Xbox is full 3rd party so what's the problem.. 🤷‍♂️

at least now, Sony can't money-hat away Bethesda and ABK as exclusives from other platforms anymore..

The problem are the developments SINCE the buyouts of Activision and Bethesda. So many damned layoffs, and further monopolization of the industry, which Microsoft and Sony are both guilty of. Like Amazon. Like Disney. Like Sony in even OTHER departments (eg: anime with Funimation-Crunchyroll and Aniplex).

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#30  Edited By Antwan3K
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@nintendoboy16 said:
@Antwan3K said:

according to fanboys, Xbox is full 3rd party so what's the problem.. 🤷‍♂️

at least now, Sony can't money-hat away Bethesda and ABK as exclusives from other platforms anymore..

The problem are the developments SINCE the buyouts of Activision and Bethesda. So many damned layoffs, and further monopolization of the industry, which Microsoft and Sony are both guilty of. Like Amazon. Like Disney. Like Sony in even OTHER departments (eg: anime with Funimation-Crunchyroll and Aniplex).

layoffs happen regardless of acquisitions; particular post-Covid.. layoffs are nothing new to the industry, happen on a regular basis, and will happen again..

the fake-outrage over layoffs is fake and just used to bash the company that particular fanboy doesn't like (and ignored when that fanboy's favorite company has layoffs)..

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@Antwan3K said:
@nintendoboy16 said:

The problem are the developments SINCE the buyouts of Activision and Bethesda. So many damned layoffs, and further monopolization of the industry, which Microsoft and Sony are both guilty of. Like Amazon. Like Disney. Like Sony in even OTHER departments (eg: anime with Funimation-Crunchyroll and Aniplex).

layoffs happen regardless of acquisitions; particular post-Covid.. layoffs are nothing new to the industry, happen on a regular basis, and will happen again..

the fake-outrage over layoffs is fake.. at this point, it's just used to bash the company you don't like..

Sure it is. Not that it's an overall bad trend this year and even my fave is guilty of it.

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@gifford38 said:

its ok for xbox to buy the entire third party developer but not ok for sony to buy one game exclusively?

Please, stop with this one game BS. Sony has been buying exclusivity since day 1 they entered the market and do more exclusivity deals than any other company.

I'm old enough to know that I bought Tomb Raider on the Sega Saturn and was looking forward to the sequel UNTIL Sony bought the exclusive rights to a multiplat game for the next few games and have been doing it for nearly 3 decades.

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@last_lap said:
@gifford38 said:

its ok for xbox to buy the entire third party developer but not ok for sony to buy one game exclusively?

Please, stop with this one game BS. Sony has been buying exclusivity since day 1 they entered the market and do more exclusivity deals than any other company.

I'm old enough to know that I bought Tomb Raider on the Sega Saturn and was looking forward to the sequel UNTIL Sony bought the exclusive rights to a multiplat game for the next few games and have been doing it for nearly 3 decades.

It's the same crap from MS and Sony

Either MS buying PUBLISHERS or Sony signing deals.

It's just Xbox has lost hard two gens in a row and the MS shareholders want their money back, that's why xbox releases all their games on everything.

Sony and Nintendo wooped ass with hardware and MS is trying to change the game to software.

Let's see if it works

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Good! More 3rd party exclusives. **** Xbox! Go for the kill of Xbox hardware

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@Antwan3K said:
@nintendoboy16 said:
@Antwan3K said:

according to fanboys, Xbox is full 3rd party so what's the problem.. 🤷‍♂️

at least now, Sony can't money-hat away Bethesda and ABK as exclusives from other platforms anymore..

The problem are the developments SINCE the buyouts of Activision and Bethesda. So many damned layoffs, and further monopolization of the industry, which Microsoft and Sony are both guilty of. Like Amazon. Like Disney. Like Sony in even OTHER departments (eg: anime with Funimation-Crunchyroll and Aniplex).

layoffs happen regardless of acquisitions; particular post-Covid.. layoffs are nothing new to the industry, happen on a regular basis, and will happen again..

the fake-outrage over layoffs is fake and just used to bash the company that particular fanboy doesn't like (and ignored when that fanboy's favorite company has layoffs)..

There is a thing you ignore. Microsoft said during the ABK case that there will be no layoffs AFTER acquisition and how it is great for workers and that shit. And we saw what happened. That was no industry thing, that was 80$ bil. effect

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@last_lap said:
@gifford38 said:

its ok for xbox to buy the entire third party developer but not ok for sony to buy one game exclusively?

Please, stop with this one game BS. Sony has been buying exclusivity since day 1 they entered the market and do more exclusivity deals than any other company.

I'm old enough to know that I bought Tomb Raider on the Sega Saturn and was looking forward to the sequel UNTIL Sony bought the exclusive rights to a multiplat game for the next few games and have been doing it for nearly 3 decades.

Please stop with bullshit, Xbot. Buying a whole 3rd party publisher and its whole IP library is the same exclusive deal per game, huh? No, it is NOT! But gladly that Xbox hardware sales is collapsing in EU, 100% totally dead in Argentina, Brazil, Chile, India, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Africa, South Korea, Turkey, and the United Arab Emirates and MS is forced to go full 3rd party with software.

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#37  Edited By Antwan3K
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@loudheadphones said:
@Antwan3K said:
@nintendoboy16 said:
@Antwan3K said:

according to fanboys, Xbox is full 3rd party so what's the problem.. 🤷‍♂️

at least now, Sony can't money-hat away Bethesda and ABK as exclusives from other platforms anymore..

The problem are the developments SINCE the buyouts of Activision and Bethesda. So many damned layoffs, and further monopolization of the industry, which Microsoft and Sony are both guilty of. Like Amazon. Like Disney. Like Sony in even OTHER departments (eg: anime with Funimation-Crunchyroll and Aniplex).

layoffs happen regardless of acquisitions; particular post-Covid.. layoffs are nothing new to the industry, happen on a regular basis, and will happen again..

the fake-outrage over layoffs is fake and just used to bash the company that particular fanboy doesn't like (and ignored when that fanboy's favorite company has layoffs)..

There is a thing you ignore. Microsoft said during the ABK case that there will be no layoffs AFTER acquisition and how it is great for workers and that shit. And we saw what happened. That was no industry thing, that was 80$ bil. effect

if Microsoft said there would be zero layoffs after the biggest acquisition in gaming history, they straight up lied.. layoffs happen, at a MINIMUM, due to redundancy.. There's no need for 2 HR departments or 2 accounting departments for example..

Please provide a link to that quote..

and the 80 billion dollar effect is the Xbox division continuing to generate more money for Microsoft than ever before and potentially even more money than PlayStation for the first time ever.. i know that hurts your fanboy feelings but facts don't care about your feelings..

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@Antwan3K said:
@loudheadphones said:

There is a thing you ignore. Microsoft said during the ABK case that there will be no layoffs AFTER acquisition and how it is great for workers and that shit. And we saw what happened. That was no industry thing, that was 80$ bil. effect

if Microsoft said there would be no layoffs after the biggest acquisition in gaming history, they straight up lied.. layoffs happen, at a MINIMUM, due to redundancy..

there's no need for 2 HR departments or 2 accounting departments for example..

and the 80 billion dollar effect is the Xbox division continuing to generate more money for Microsoft than ever before and potentially even more money than PlayStation for the first time ever.. i know that hurts your fanboy feelings but facts don't care about your feelings..

But people bought Phil and Satya's BS. And at this point, Phil is a worse liar than one of his own employees memed for lying, to the point where Phil lied about said employees Indiana Jones game.

Basically this Simpsons meme in a nutshell.

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#39  Edited By loudheadphones
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@Antwan3K said:
@loudheadphones said:
@Antwan3K said:
@nintendoboy16 said:

The problem are the developments SINCE the buyouts of Activision and Bethesda. So many damned layoffs, and further monopolization of the industry, which Microsoft and Sony are both guilty of. Like Amazon. Like Disney. Like Sony in even OTHER departments (eg: anime with Funimation-Crunchyroll and Aniplex).

layoffs happen regardless of acquisitions; particular post-Covid.. layoffs are nothing new to the industry, happen on a regular basis, and will happen again..

the fake-outrage over layoffs is fake and just used to bash the company that particular fanboy doesn't like (and ignored when that fanboy's favorite company has layoffs)..

There is a thing you ignore. Microsoft said during the ABK case that there will be no layoffs AFTER acquisition and how it is great for workers and that shit. And we saw what happened. That was no industry thing, that was 80$ bil. effect

if Microsoft said there would be no layoffs after the biggest acquisition in gaming history, they straight up lied.. layoffs happen, at a MINIMUM, due to redundancy..

there's no need for 2 HR departments or 2 accounting departments for example..

There is no IF!

Feds Say Activision Layoffs Violate Promises Microsoft Made in Merger Deal The federal regulator said the layoffs are inconsistent with Microsoft’s assertions that both companies would operate separately after the merger.

and the 80 billion dollar effect is the Xbox division continuing to generate more money for Microsoft than ever before and potentially even more money than PlayStation for the first time ever.. i know that hurts your fanboy feelings but facts don't care about your feelings..

Me hurting because Xbox hardware is collapsing? LOL. Nice spin, Xbot.

Very easy to compare Xbox+ABK numbers vs pre ABK acquisition. :/

Xbox revenue alone was downhill without ABK last quarter. Around -4%. Combined with ABK Xbox revenue was in +48%.

Numbers are pretty bad overall and the only numbers that look somewhat decent are because of the ABK acquisition. Next year they're not going to have that free ticket. They've only got 1 more quarter for the Activision-Blizzard stats to puff things up before the real trouble begins.

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Wasn't everyone here behind and pushing for MS to buy entire publishers? So what's the problem?

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@above_average: Not me. I knew Microsoft's history with mass purchasing of other companies. They're not any better than Amazon or Disney.

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I mean, it's probably good for Sony they said no.

Not sure people are really in the mood for another Korean waifu simulator with excessive MTX practices. It would probably be another multi-million dollar waste.

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#43  Edited By Antwan3K
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@loudheadphones said:
@Antwan3K said:
@loudheadphones said:
@Antwan3K said:

layoffs happen regardless of acquisitions; particular post-Covid.. layoffs are nothing new to the industry, happen on a regular basis, and will happen again..

the fake-outrage over layoffs is fake and just used to bash the company that particular fanboy doesn't like (and ignored when that fanboy's favorite company has layoffs)..

There is a thing you ignore. Microsoft said during the ABK case that there will be no layoffs AFTER acquisition and how it is great for workers and that shit. And we saw what happened. That was no industry thing, that was 80$ bil. effect

if Microsoft said there would be no layoffs after the biggest acquisition in gaming history, they straight up lied.. layoffs happen, at a MINIMUM, due to redundancy..

there's no need for 2 HR departments or 2 accounting departments for example..

There is no IF!

Feds Say Activision Layoffs Violate Promises Microsoft Made in Merger Deal The federal regulator said the layoffs are inconsistent with Microsoft’s assertions that both companies would operate separately after the merger.

and the 80 billion dollar effect is the Xbox division continuing to generate more money for Microsoft than ever before and potentially even more money than PlayStation for the first time ever.. i know that hurts your fanboy feelings but facts don't care about your feelings..

Me hurting because Xbox hardware is collapsing? LOL. Nice spin, Xbot.

Very easy to compare Xbox+ABK numbers vs pre ABK acquisition. :/

Xbox revenue alone was downhill without ABK last quarter. Around -4%. Combined with ABK Xbox revenue was in +48%.

Numbers are pretty bad overall and the only numbers that look somewhat decent are because of the ABK acquisition. Next year they're not going to have that free ticket. They've only got 1 more quarter for the Activision-Blizzard stats to puff things up before the real trouble begins.

nowhere in that link does it say that Microsoft promised zero layoffs after the acquisition. beyond that, ABK and Xbox Game Studios are indeed operated separately just like Bethesda operates separately.. and that said, there were still layoffs after Bethesda were acquired and the same would have been expected for ABK..

nothing you say changes the facts that Xbox has more active users than ever before, more gaming studios than ever before, and is generating more gaming revenue than ever before.. and those facts clearly hurt your fanboy feelings..

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Sony desperation

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@loudheadphones said:
@last_lap said:
@gifford38 said:

its ok for xbox to buy the entire third party developer but not ok for sony to buy one game exclusively?

Please, stop with this one game BS. Sony has been buying exclusivity since day 1 they entered the market and do more exclusivity deals than any other company.

I'm old enough to know that I bought Tomb Raider on the Sega Saturn and was looking forward to the sequel UNTIL Sony bought the exclusive rights to a multiplat game for the next few games and have been doing it for nearly 3 decades.

Please stop with bullshit, Xbot. Buying a whole 3rd party publisher and its whole IP library is the same exclusive deal per game, huh? No, it is NOT! But gladly that Xbox hardware sales is collapsing in EU, 100% totally dead in Argentina, Brazil, Chile, India, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Africa, South Korea, Turkey, and the United Arab Emirates and MS is forced to go full 3rd party with software.

What I posted is factual, what your posting is the actual BS.

Simple fact is that Sony has paid for more exclusives than MS & Nintendo.

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@Star67 said:
@last_lap said:
@gifford38 said:

its ok for xbox to buy the entire third party developer but not ok for sony to buy one game exclusively?

Please, stop with this one game BS. Sony has been buying exclusivity since day 1 they entered the market and do more exclusivity deals than any other company.

I'm old enough to know that I bought Tomb Raider on the Sega Saturn and was looking forward to the sequel UNTIL Sony bought the exclusive rights to a multiplat game for the next few games and have been doing it for nearly 3 decades.

It's the same crap from MS and Sony

Either MS buying PUBLISHERS or Sony signing deals.

It's just Xbox has lost hard two gens in a row and the MS shareholders want their money back, that's why xbox releases all their games on everything.

Sony and Nintendo wooped ass with hardware and MS is trying to change the game to software.

Let's see if it works

No, it's not the same, Sony over the years has bought 5x the amount of exclusives over MS, and when MS do it cows cry foul, but when Sony does it no one bats an eyelid.

Also you can talk about buying publishers well if Sony could they would themselves, the only difference is that Sony would lock them away on the PS platform.

There is no doubt that Sony is by far the worst when it comes to money hating games off of other platforms.

And Sony is already doing multiplat games (has done so for years) they are just slowly walking towards it.

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@last_lap said:
@loudheadphones said:
@last_lap said:
@gifford38 said:

its ok for xbox to buy the entire third party developer but not ok for sony to buy one game exclusively?

Please, stop with this one game BS. Sony has been buying exclusivity since day 1 they entered the market and do more exclusivity deals than any other company.

I'm old enough to know that I bought Tomb Raider on the Sega Saturn and was looking forward to the sequel UNTIL Sony bought the exclusive rights to a multiplat game for the next few games and have been doing it for nearly 3 decades.

Please stop with bullshit, Xbot. Buying a whole 3rd party publisher and its whole IP library is the same exclusive deal per game, huh? No, it is NOT! But gladly that Xbox hardware sales is collapsing in EU, 100% totally dead in Argentina, Brazil, Chile, India, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Africa, South Korea, Turkey, and the United Arab Emirates and MS is forced to go full 3rd party with software.

What I posted is factual, what your posting is the actual BS.

Simple fact is that Sony has paid for more exclusives than MS & Nintendo.

It is well known that Xbots are synonym for bullshiting. Comparing a acquisition of big 3rd party publisher who also owns a smaller studios and its whole IP library vs. per game basis exclusivity.... Yeah, totally the same.:/ Fucking totally the same. But i'm fucking glad that Xbox hardware is collapsing. You totally deserve it, Xbots!

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@loudheadphones said:
@last_lap said:
@loudheadphones said:
@last_lap said:
@gifford38 said:

its ok for xbox to buy the entire third party developer but not ok for sony to buy one game exclusively?

Please, stop with this one game BS. Sony has been buying exclusivity since day 1 they entered the market and do more exclusivity deals than any other company.

I'm old enough to know that I bought Tomb Raider on the Sega Saturn and was looking forward to the sequel UNTIL Sony bought the exclusive rights to a multiplat game for the next few games and have been doing it for nearly 3 decades.

Please stop with bullshit, Xbot. Buying a whole 3rd party publisher and its whole IP library is the same exclusive deal per game, huh? No, it is NOT! But gladly that Xbox hardware sales is collapsing in EU, 100% totally dead in Argentina, Brazil, Chile, India, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Africa, South Korea, Turkey, and the United Arab Emirates and MS is forced to go full 3rd party with software.

What I posted is factual, what your posting is the actual BS.

Simple fact is that Sony has paid for more exclusives than MS & Nintendo.

It is well known that Xbots are synonym for bullshiting. Comparing a acquisition of big 3rd party publisher who also owns a smaller studios and its whole IP library vs. per game basis exclusivity.... Yeah, totally the same.:/ Fucking totally the same. But i'm fucking glad that Xbox hardware is collapsing. You totally deserve it, Xbots!

No, you cows are well known for your BS. I mean here you are complaining about MS buying devs and yet you celebrate Sony buying up game exclusivity.

I mean post #34 you posted this..."Good! More 3rd party exclusives. **** Xbox! Go for the kill of Xbox hardware"

The facts remain that Sony has money hated more games than MS and Nintendo. Also MS buying Craptivision means nothing as ALL of Craptivisions games are still on PS and the newest CoD will be too, you cows are not missing out on anything, whereas Sony's money hated games are not appearing on Xbox like those shitty FF7 remakes games etc.

In the end though you will remain a dolt.

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@last_lap said:

No, you cows are well known for your BS. I mean here you are complaining about MS buying devs and yet you celebrate Sony buying up game exclusivity.

I mean post #34 you posted this..."Good! More 3rd party exclusives. **** Xbox! Go for the kill of Xbox hardware"

The facts remain that Sony has money hated more games than MS and Nintendo. Also MS buying Craptivision means nothing as ALL of Craptivisions games are still on PS and the newest CoD will be too, you cows are not missing out on anything, whereas Sony's money hated games are not appearing on Xbox like those shitty FF7 remakes games etc.

In the end though you will remain a dolt.

Nope. You are well know for bullshiting. You deserve every damn shit what is happening with Xbox. EVERY SHIT

Comparing a acquisition of big 3rd party publisher who also owns a smaller studios and its whole IP library vs. per game basis exclusivity.... Yeah, totally the same.:/

Proper comparison would be Stalker 2 to Silent Hill or similar. But whole 3rd party publisher,....that won't cut it, Xbot

Anyway. I'm just fucking glad that Satya Nadella is showing a middle finger to Xbots. Deservedly so!

Xbot just yesterday damn celebrated how Project Latitude is paused. Xbots interpreted paused as canceled. LOL Satya didn't even mentioned Xbox Series. lol

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Holy meltdowns Batman. 😂