SONY:" Where did I go wrong?"

Though I think compare to the Xbox360 the PS3 is not doing that terrible as other people claim however compare it to the original PS and the PS2 the PS3 is really a dissapointment not only for Sony but also for the more than 100,000,000 million people who used to love and probably still is, Sony's previous game consoles. (well not really sure if everybody loved it). After dominating the gaming industry for more than a decade, sony slipped third place behind its rivals. Sony where are those great exclusive games that we used to play in the PS1 and PS2?(hopefully they will come,*thinking of MGS 4, FFXIII, Granturismo, Little planet,etc) When can we afford that PS3 of yours? When will its sales skyrocket high like what the PS2 did before?

So guys if Sony will ask you "Where did I go wrong?" what will be your answer? or answers? and what will be your recommendations and suggestions in order to bring back the glory of Sony????

(please no fanboyism in this thread. thanks!:D

Sony went 'wrong' by releasing the PS3 at $600

Say what you want about games but if the system is affordable, like the Wii, and has a great reputation with great exclusives it will sell.

90% of the people I know in real life and on forums who haven't bought a PS3 use price as the reason. The other 10% lack of games.

Once the console goes below $500 look out ahead

Let's see....PS2 sales: 130,000,000

Xbox360 sales: 11,500,000 (roughly)

PS3 Sales: 4,750,000 (roughly)

Wii Sales: 12,000,000 (roughly)

By my calculations there are still, at least, 100,000,000 gamers that have yet to adopt a next gen console. Nice try though.

This is a new era. It won't be the ps2 sales juggernaut and it really doesn't need to be.

My advice to Sony , bring back a 20 gig sku (with wifi) as soon as possible and drop another $100 by the end of 2008 so you have a $400 ps3 and a $300 one.

Sony went 'wrong' by releasing the PS3 at $600

Say what you want about games but if the system is affordable, like the Wii, and has a great reputation with great exclusives it will sell.

90% of the people I know in real life and on forums who haven't bought a PS3 use price as the reason. The other 10% lack of games.

Once the console goes below $500 look out ahead

DarthaPerkinjan

I agree completely. I bought the PS1 and PS2 both at launch and consider them two of the best consoles I've ever had the priveledge of owning...and I'm an old timer. BUt this gen I bought a Wii and have been waiting to see which I should get over the 360 and PS3. I have prettymuch made up my mind that I will be getting the 360. I am willing to pay more money for the PS3 IF it had the games. I believe the PS3 in time will prove it is much more powerful and graphically capable than the 360, and I plan on buying an HDTV soon so having a BR player would be a nice bonus.But all that is pointless if there are no games, and the PS3simply doesn't have the games right now and I don't know WHEN it will. The PS3 games I am interested in all seem to be multi-plat anyway except for only a couple. The 360 has a great library right now with more games coming out this year that are highly anticipated.

Sony took a huge risk releasing the PS3 at the price it did. While I could make a million arguements about why that price isn't so bad when you consider what you get...it's still a gaming console with little to no games right now. I won't say that SOny made a "mistake" because only time will tell, but I do believe that SOny is currently suffering from "bite more than you can chew" syndrome.

Let's see....PS2 sales: 130,000,000

Xbox360 sales: 11,500,000 (roughly)

PS3 Sales: 4,750,000 (roughly)

Wii Sales: 12,000,000 (roughly)

By my calculations there are still, at least, 100,000,000 gamers that have yet to adopt a next gen console. Nice try though.

bforrester

your calculations are a bit off though seeing how there were many gamers like myself who went through multiple PS2's (3 myself before calling it quits) before getting one that didn't break down. Like it or not, it's the truth.

Sony went wrong by supporting PS2 too long. It should be looked upon positively that they support their fanbase with AAA exclusives after 6 years, but it screwed them for the next-gen. They probably wanted to aim for a holiday 2007 release to begin with, and just could not have had the software ready any time before that. Launching early to counter the 360 without much software and at a high price is what has ruined sales. PS3 probably would've been better off with a holiday 07 release with a better GPU, more RAM, (to make the difference visible day1), $499 price tag, and a gigantic day1 library. Releasing without being ready just made it a huge uphill climb.

Still though Sony's prettymuch locked in for a cozy second place in the long run. Anyone who thinks 360 is going anywhere at this point is just kidding themselves.

Sony went wrong by supporting PS2 too long. It should be looked upon positively that they support their fanbase with AAA exclusives after 6 years, but it screwed them for the next-gen. They probably wanted to aim for a holiday 2007 release to begin with, and just could not have had the software ready any time before that. Launching early to counter the 360 without much software and at a high price is what has ruined sales. PS3 probably would've been better off with a holiday 07 release with a better GPU, more RAM, (to make the difference visible day1), $499 price tag, and a gigantic day1 library. Releasing without being ready just made it a huge uphill climb.

Still though Sony's prettymuch locked in for a cozy second place in the long run. Anyone who thinks 360 is going anywhere at this point is just kidding themselves.

Lazy_Boy88

It's quite foolish to think that they've got second place locked in. The 360's library is currently far superior to the PS3's and while the PS3 has some big exclusives coming out, so does the 360. Sony's got a huge game of catch up to play just in terms of software alone. The hardware catch up will be far more difficult for them if MS keeps up this momentum of exclusives that can draw in more gamers. Halo3, PGR4 and Mass Effect will do far more for the 360 this year alone then ANYTHING the PS3 has coming out this year. Sony will be hurt more this Holiday Season then last year solely based on the fact that the 360's line up destroys the PS3's.

The biggest problem of not haveing the games is all because the developers are still learning to use the technology in the PS3. This also happened with the PS2 when it was released (although the developers were able to get a handle on things quicker than now). jimm895

hahahahhaha post of the year. Are you seriously so blind?? The hardware is why lair and almost everyother game on the PS3 has flopped? ahahhahaa o man.

Arrogance. The belief that they can sell a $600 console with no games.HolyHandGrenad3

Off the topic, but I can never get sick of seeing someone pull of the gogoplata. That's probably the most slick, and difficult, choke to pull off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R98qC0fd_1wscoots9

i actually enjoyed that song even though its a lil harsh..hahahaha

[QUOTE="HolyHandGrenad3"]Arrogance. The belief that they can sell a $600 console with no games.bforrester

Off the topic, but I can never get sick of seeing someone pull of the gogoplata. That's probably the most slick, and difficult, choke to pull off.

Yes! And for that fight to finish that way was incredible. It is to bad that most people just think it is funny because "he is putting the other guy's head in his crotch."

Let's see....PS2 sales: 130,000,000

Xbox360 sales: 11,500,000 (roughly)

PS3 Sales: 4,750,000 (roughly)

Wii Sales: 12,000,000 (roughly)

By my calculations there are still, at least, 100,000,000 gamers that have yet to adopt a next gen console. Nice try though.

bforrester

Those people bought a $300 or less console (in fact most of the sales after the system was under $300) what makes you think those folks are going to flock to a $500-600 PS3? Most likely they're going to be snapped up by Nintendo (and maybe Microsoft to a lesser extent). By the time the PS3 is $300 or less, a big chunk of the next-gen market will already be spoken for.

[QUOTE="bforrester"]

[QUOTE="HolyHandGrenad3"]Arrogance. The belief that they can sell a $600 console with no games.HolyHandGrenad3

Off the topic, but I can never get sick of seeing someone pull of the gogoplata. That's probably the most slick, and difficult, choke to pull off.

Yes! And for that fight to finish that way was incredible. It is to bad that most people just think it is funny because "he is putting the other guy's head in his crotch."

Who is your favorite fighter? Wanderlei is mine. Do you train at all? Gomi was tearing Diaz up standing, but man did he get caught!

Sony went wrong by supporting PS2 too long. It should be looked upon positively that they support their fanbase with AAA exclusives after 6 years, but it screwed them for the next-gen. They probably wanted to aim for a holiday 2007 release to begin with, and just could not have had the software ready any time before that. Launching early to counter the 360 without much software and at a high price is what has ruined sales. PS3 probably would've been better off with a holiday 07 release with a better GPU, more RAM, (to make the difference visible day1), $499 price tag, and a gigantic day1 library. Releasing without being ready just made it a huge uphill climb.

Still though Sony's prettymuch locked in for a cozy second place in the long run. Anyone who thinks 360 is going anywhere at this point is just kidding themselves.

Lazy_Boy88

UNfortunately you are wrong and the reality and facts of what happened to Sony do not back up your claim.

1) All console makers BUT MS have supported a previous gen system for a couple years after the newer gen has released. Developers also support this as it allows them more options to make more money.

2) You say Sony rushed their launch, however the wouldn't even mentino a launch date well after the 360 launched. THEN they said spring 2006 and pushed that back to November 2006. I don't see how you can call any of this "rushing".

3) The lack of software is/was related to the delays SOny had. Sony had all kinds of manufacturing problems with the PS3 ranging from the cell to BR diodes to uncertaintly over what features to include. THEN the same hardware shortages and unsurety affected the dev kits. As much as a MONTH before the PS3 launched, many developers openly complained they still had not received final dev kits. Smaller devs hadn't received even the beta dev kit due to shortages. You can't have a game ready for launch, or even close, if you don't have the proper kit.

Would Sony have fared better waiting another YEAR? I doubt it. Sony would have been much better to just exclude BR and sell the PS3 for the same price as the 360. It probably would have helped them launch early also. But much like MS is pushing XBL because that is where most of their profit potential comes from, Sony needs BR to make up for loses in the gaming arena.

[QUOTE="HolyHandGrenad3"][QUOTE="bforrester"]

[QUOTE="HolyHandGrenad3"]Arrogance. The belief that they can sell a $600 console with no games.bforrester

Off the topic, but I can never get sick of seeing someone pull of the gogoplata. That's probably the most slick, and difficult, choke to pull off.

Yes! And for that fight to finish that way was incredible. It is to bad that most people just think it is funny because "he is putting the other guy's head in his crotch."

Who is your favorite fighter? Wanderlei is mine. Do you train at all? Gomi was tearing Diaz up standing, but man did he get caught!

Gomi was winning the standup at first but Diaz started picking him apart at the end of the first. I loved that fight. I don't train since I don't have the time or money but I would love to be able to take some BJJ classes or something. Favorite fighters are BJ Penn, Wandy, Cro-Cop, Barnett, Couture and GSP just to name a few.

Arrogance. The belief that they can sell a $600 console with no games.HolyHandGrenad3

totally agree

obviously it was charging $600 for their console. Hell MS is having trouble at $350. Truth is no matter how awesome a console is, you're not going to sell many at that price range. What's even worse is there's no software for it either.

They should of aimed for 300 had it be less powerful than the 360, and they would of easily won w/out any BS needed.

100,000,000 million people

lee_asid

100 million MILLION? That's a lot of people...

[QUOTE="jimm895"]The biggest problem of not haveing the games is all because the developers are still learning to use the technology in the PS3. This also happened with the PS2 when it was released (although the developers were able to get a handle on things quicker than now). dracolich666

hahahahhaha post of the year. Are you seriously so blind?? The hardware is why lair and almost everyother game on the PS3 has flopped? ahahhahaa o man.

I think ur the one thats seriously blind because hes right. thats why EA will now build there game on the ps3 and port it over to 360. Theres been countless articles about the devs not having enough time with the ps3 dev kit. SO OPEN UR EYES!!

[QUOTE="HolyHandGrenad3"]Arrogance. The belief that they can sell a $600 console with no games.akif22

totally agree

Add me to that list.

I really don't believe anything is going wrong.0bscurity

Some ppl would argue that the Wii is very underpowered but in reality it does have a graphic upgrade but not as great as Sony or MS.

But more importantly is that Mikael you have has your avatar? Oh the mighty Opeth!!!

your calculations are a bit off though seeing how there were many gamers like myself who went through multiple PS2's (3 myself before calling it quits) before getting one that didn't break down. Like it or not, it's the truth.

Nedemis

[QUOTE="dracolich666"]

[QUOTE="jimm895"]The biggest problem of not haveing the games is all because the developers are still learning to use the technology in the PS3. This also happened with the PS2 when it was released (although the developers were able to get a handle on things quicker than now). cf2012

hahahahhaha post of the year. Are you seriously so blind?? The hardware is why lair and almost everyother game on the PS3 has flopped? ahahhahaa o man.

I think ur the one thats seriously blind because hes right. thats why EA will now build there game on the ps3 and port it over to 360. Theres been countless articles about the devs not having enough time with the ps3 dev kit. SO OPEN UR EYES!!

wait wait wait.. EA is gonna start developing on the PS3 first now? you mean like this year's football & hockey games. why would EA spend more time and money on a version that has the smallest user-base?

Arrogance. The belief that they can sell a $600 console with no games.HolyHandGrenad3

omg ur post burns with the truth.

[QUOTE="cf2012"][QUOTE="dracolich666"]

[QUOTE="jimm895"]The biggest problem of not haveing the games is all because the developers are still learning to use the technology in the PS3. This also happened with the PS2 when it was released (although the developers were able to get a handle on things quicker than now). HSYOON_1

hahahahhaha post of the year. Are you seriously so blind?? The hardware is why lair and almost everyother game on the PS3 has flopped? ahahhahaa o man.

I think ur the one thats seriously blind because hes right. thats why EA will now build there game on the ps3 and port it over to 360. Theres been countless articles about the devs not having enough time with the ps3 dev kit. SO OPEN UR EYES!!

wait wait wait.. EA is gonna start developing on the PS3 first now? you mean like this year's football & hockey games. why would EA spend more time and money on a version that has the smallest user-base?

Well, let's see. It doesn't take an aeronautical engineer to figure out that the PS3 will eventually surpass the Xbox 360 in sales at some point this generation. Debate this all you want, but it'll happen. Put this in your sig and smoke it. Anyway, why wouldn't they put more effort into the console that they're currently having difficulty with while they seemingly have the coding for the Xbox figured out?

In now order

1.$600

2. No standard stuff like rumble and custom soundtrack

3. Losing exclusive

4. Motion Controls

5. Games really sucked

[QUOTE="HSYOON_1"][QUOTE="cf2012"][QUOTE="dracolich666"]

[QUOTE="jimm895"]The biggest problem of not haveing the games is all because the developers are still learning to use the technology in the PS3. This also happened with the PS2 when it was released (although the developers were able to get a handle on things quicker than now). bforrester

hahahahhaha post of the year. Are you seriously so blind?? The hardware is why lair and almost everyother game on the PS3 has flopped? ahahhahaa o man.

I think ur the one thats seriously blind because hes right. thats why EA will now build there game on the ps3 and port it over to 360. Theres been countless articles about the devs not having enough time with the ps3 dev kit. SO OPEN UR EYES!!

wait wait wait.. EA is gonna start developing on the PS3 first now? you mean like this year's football & hockey games. why would EA spend more time and money on a version that has the smallest user-base?

Well, let's see. It doesn't take an aeronautical engineer to figure out that the PS3 will eventually surpass the Xbox 360 in sales at some point this generation. Debate this all you want, but it'll happen. Put this in your sig and smoke it. Anyway, why wouldn't they put more effort into the console that they're currently having difficulty with while they seemingly have the coding for the Xbox figured out?

it doesn't take an aeronautical engineer???? where are you pulling this cystal ball out of? Logic says in order for sony tocatch up the 360 or even surpass it, Sony would have to start selling twice as much every monthand pray that 360 stop selling entirely.

360=11.5M PS3=4.5M. PS3 has been out since November, and it's only sold abour 4.5 million. so if they started to sell TWICE the amount for the next 9 monthes, while the 360 sells ZERO units, they would finally catch up, let alone surpass them in sales.

also add the fact that the only HOPE cows have this yearare R&C and Dude Raider (we all know HS and Lair Flopped) while 360 owners are playing Halo3, Mass Effect, and PGR4. i dont' know. Your telling me that PS3 will surpass 360 when it needs to sell double the amount as the 360 while MS sells ZERO. Please think before you post next time.

and next time you try to sound smart "with aeronautical engineer"use some logic. Sony has a hard battle ahead of them, and their 07 lineup is the weakest of the 4. Lair and HS would have seriously helped, but we all know how that went down.

Sony went 'wrong' by releasing the PS3 at $600

Say what you want about games but if the system is affordable, like the Wii, and has a great reputation with great exclusives it will sell.

90% of the people I know in real life and on forums who haven't bought a PS3 use price as the reason. The other 10% lack of games.

Once the console goes below $500 look out ahead

DarthaPerkinjan

Its why I haven't gotten one. The games will come..thats nothing to worry about.

I'm not spending more than $450 on a system though.

People judge machines, when really they should be judging the games. There is nothing wrong with PS3 as a machine, it's a fine system. If it had some AAA quality games people would be happy with it. PS3 will get there eventually, and that's when I will buy one.

Judge the games, not the system.

[QUOTE="bforrester"][QUOTE="HSYOON_1"][QUOTE="cf2012"][QUOTE="dracolich666"]

[QUOTE="jimm895"]The biggest problem of not haveing the games is all because the developers are still learning to use the technology in the PS3. This also happened with the PS2 when it was released (although the developers were able to get a handle on things quicker than now). HSYOON_1

hahahahhaha post of the year. Are you seriously so blind?? The hardware is why lair and almost everyother game on the PS3 has flopped? ahahhahaa o man.

I think ur the one thats seriously blind because hes right. thats why EA will now build there game on the ps3 and port it over to 360. Theres been countless articles about the devs not having enough time with the ps3 dev kit. SO OPEN UR EYES!!

wait wait wait.. EA is gonna start developing on the PS3 first now? you mean like this year's football & hockey games. why would EA spend more time and money on a version that has the smallest user-base?

Well, let's see. It doesn't take an aeronautical engineer to figure out that the PS3 will eventually surpass the Xbox 360 in sales at some point this generation. Debate this all you want, but it'll happen. Put this in your sig and smoke it. Anyway, why wouldn't they put more effort into the console that they're currently having difficulty with while they seemingly have the coding for the Xbox figured out?

it doesn't take an aeronautical engineer???? where are you pulling this cystal ball out of? Logic says in order for sony tocatch up the 360 or even surpass it, Sony would have to start selling twice as much every monthand pray that 360 stop selling entirely.

360=11.5M PS3=4.5M. PS3 has been out since November, and it's only sold abour 4.5 million. so if they started to sell TWICE the amount for the next 9 monthes, while the 360 sells ZERO units, they would finally catch up, let alone surpass them in sales.

also add the fact that the only HOPE cows have this yearare R&C and Dude Raider (we all know HS and Lair Flopped) while 360 owners are playing Halo3, Mass Effect, and PGR4. i dont' know. Your telling me that PS3 will surpass 360 when it needs to sell double the amount as the 360 while MS sells ZERO. Please think before you post next time.

and next time you try to sound smart "with aeronautical engineer"use some logic. Sony has a hard battle ahead of them, and their 07 lineup is the weakest of the 4. Lair and HS would have seriously helped, but we all know how that went down.

Just make sure that when it happens, you still have that in your sig to make you feel less intelligent that you obviously believe you are. Considering the Wii sales in Japan are bound to taper off with the pace that which it's selling, the PS3 will pick up big time when the library starts to catch up. You act like the world LOVES the xbox, while it's only selling well in North America. You have a rather narrow view on what comprises the gaming public, as you seem to operate in this vaccuum that is System Wars, dominated by North Americans and their love for the Xbox. While the PS3 has only had a price cut in North America, it is outselling the Xbox, CURRENTLY, worldwide. After Halo, what game franchises does the Xbox have to pick up additional sales after the North American market dries up? Meanwhile, the PS STILL hasn't released a single system seller. Again, your vision of the future is very narrow and very flawed. What's funny is that the PS3 has kept pace with the 360s sales numbers through the same span of it's life, with a $600 price tag and no killer apps, and 2 consoles with which to compete. Meanwhile, the PS2 is STILL outselling the Xbox 360, and has done so every month of the 360s life. Man, you really didn't factor too manyvariables into your equation, did you?

Thanks for trying though. I appreciate a debate, no matter how weak the other side's ability.

(ITS DEBUNK TIME!!!)

it doesn't take an aeronautical engineer???? where are you pulling this cystal ball out of? Logic says in order for sony tocatch up the 360 or even surpass it, Sony would have to start selling twice as much every monthand pray that 360 stop selling entirely. (100 million PS2 owners hold the fate of this gen, it can sway either way just like that)

360=11.5M PS3=4.5M. PS3 has been out since November, and it's only sold abour 4.5 million. (lol And the 360s been out for nearly 2 years!!! Also according to some people, the 360 sold 9 million units the first year, which means that they only sold about 1.7 this entire year!!!) so if they started to sell TWICE the amount for the next 9 monthes, while the 360 sells ZERO units, (dejavu? I could've sworn you said that already) they would finally catch up, let alone surpass them in sales.

also add the fact that the only HOPE cows have this yearare R&C and Dude Raider (we all know Blue Dragon, Hour of Victory, Dead Rising, Lost Planet, ect. ect. Flopped) while 360 owners are playing Halo3 (okay and? i liked playing Halo 2, but i wouldn't consider it a system seller...), Mass Effect (we shall see how this one goes), and PGR4 (good racing game, about on par with the Need for Speed series..). i dont' know. Your telling me that PS3 will surpass 360 when it needs to sell double the amount as the 360 while MS sells ZERO (there goes that dejavu again...). Please think before you post next time.

and next time you try to sound smart "with aeronautical engineer"use some logic. Sony has a hard battle ahead of them, and their 07 lineup is the weakest of the 4. Lair would have seriously helped, but we all know how that went down.

HSYOON_1

Sony went 'wrong' by releasing the PS3 at $600

Say what you want about games but if the system is affordable, like the Wii, and has a great reputation with great exclusives it will sell.

90% of the people I know in real life and on forums who haven't bought a PS3 use price as the reason. The other 10% lack of games.

Once the console goes below $500 look out ahead

DarthaPerkinjan

lol i'm just looking at you fanboys like u guys are retarded. Whos forcing you to buy a ps3? LOL u know sony is really paying attention to their ps2. Dont see why you guys are complaining. basically MS tried to force ps3 in to the game early and it worked. Sony is not stupid their not gonna drop their ps2 support to make the smaller part of the market happy. Ps2 is still bigger than next gen and it will be like that for awhile.

Let's see....PS2 sales: 130,000,000

Xbox360 sales: 11,500,000 (roughly)

PS3 Sales: 4,750,000 (roughly)

Wii Sales: 12,000,000 (roughly)

By my calculations there are still, at least, 100,000,000 gamers that have yet to adopt a next gen console. Nice try though.

bforrester

do you really think that the 100,000,000 people are obliged to follow sony in any way. Most of them are casuals who just want a good console.

[QUOTE="bforrester"]

Let's see....PS2 sales: 130,000,000

Xbox360 sales: 11,500,000 (roughly)

PS3 Sales: 4,750,000 (roughly)

Wii Sales: 12,000,000 (roughly)

By my calculations there are still, at least, 100,000,000 gamers that have yet to adopt a next gen console. Nice try though.

elite_ferns1

do you really think that the 100,000,000 people are obliged to follow sony in any way. Most of them are casuals who just want a good console.

And most of them have owned the PS1 and the PS2. This means that they already are familiar with many of the big Sony exclusive franchises, not to mention the hardware itself (think Dual analog controller). Personally, I wasn't tempted by the Origianal Xbox, as were many others as the sales numbers would suggest, because I wanted to play the games not found on other consoles.

[QUOTE="HSYOON_1"][QUOTE="bforrester"][QUOTE="HSYOON_1"][QUOTE="cf2012"][QUOTE="dracolich666"]

[QUOTE="jimm895"]The biggest problem of not haveing the games is all because the developers are still learning to use the technology in the PS3. This also happened with the PS2 when it was released (although the developers were able to get a handle on things quicker than now). bforrester

hahahahhaha post of the year. Are you seriously so blind?? The hardware is why lair and almost everyother game on the PS3 has flopped? ahahhahaa o man.

I think ur the one thats seriously blind because hes right. thats why EA will now build there game on the ps3 and port it over to 360. Theres been countless articles about the devs not having enough time with the ps3 dev kit. SO OPEN UR EYES!!

wait wait wait.. EA is gonna start developing on the PS3 first now? you mean like this year's football & hockey games. why would EA spend more time and money on a version that has the smallest user-base?

Well, let's see. It doesn't take an aeronautical engineer to figure out that the PS3 will eventually surpass the Xbox 360 in sales at some point this generation. Debate this all you want, but it'll happen. Put this in your sig and smoke it. Anyway, why wouldn't they put more effort into the console that they're currently having difficulty with while they seemingly have the coding for the Xbox figured out?

it doesn't take an aeronautical engineer???? where are you pulling this cystal ball out of? Logic says in order for sony tocatch up the 360 or even surpass it, Sony would have to start selling twice as much every monthand pray that 360 stop selling entirely.

360=11.5M PS3=4.5M. PS3 has been out since November, and it's only sold abour 4.5 million. so if they started to sell TWICE the amount for the next 9 monthes, while the 360 sells ZERO units, they would finally catch up, let alone surpass them in sales.

also add the fact that the only HOPE cows have this yearare R&C and Dude Raider (we all know HS and Lair Flopped) while 360 owners are playing Halo3, Mass Effect, and PGR4. i dont' know. Your telling me that PS3 will surpass 360 when it needs to sell double the amount as the 360 while MS sells ZERO. Please think before you post next time.

and next time you try to sound smart "with aeronautical engineer"use some logic. Sony has a hard battle ahead of them, and their 07 lineup is the weakest of the 4. Lair and HS would have seriously helped, but we all know how that went down.

Just make sure that when it happens, you still have that in your sig to make you feel less intelligent that you obviously believe you are. Considering the Wii sales in Japan are bound to taper off with the pace that which it's selling, the PS3 will pick up big time when the library starts to catch up. You act like the world LOVES the xbox, while it's only selling well in North America. You have a rather narrow view on what comprises the gaming public, as you seem to operate in this vaccuum that is System Wars, dominated by North Americans and their love for the Xbox. While the PS3 has only had a price cut in North America, it is outselling the Xbox, CURRENTLY, worldwide. After Halo, what game franchises does the Xbox have to pick up additional sales after the North American market dries up? Meanwhile, the PS STILL hasn't released a single system seller. Again, your vision of the future is very narrow and very flawed. What's funny is that the PS3 has kept pace with the 360s sales numbers through the same span of it's life, with a $600 price tag and no killer apps, and 2 consoles with which to compete. Meanwhile, the PS2 is STILL outselling the Xbox 360, and has done so every month of the 360s life. Man, you really didn't factor too manyvariables into your equation, did you?

Thanks for trying though. I appreciate a debate, no matter how weak the other side's ability.

and No, the world does not love the Xbox brand. in fact most people hate MS as a corp, yet they are doing rather well. and any way you twist it. Sony was late to the party. Sony is lacking killer apps and 11.5M>>>>>4.5M any way you spin it.

And the PS3 may be outselling the 360, but only by a small percentage. in order for them to catch up or even surpass the 360, Sony needs to start selling double the amount while MS sells ZERO. it's simple mathematics.

You say that my vision is narrow and flawed, yet you claim that theWii sales will tapering off and 360s will not sell at all, and somehowwilllead the rest of the gaming public towards the most expensive system. Now, who's logicis narrow and flawed. Just because you love the PS3 does not mean that the rest of the world LOVES it. You make it sound like everyone in the world is in love with Sony. I wonder why they are DEAD LAST?

and resorting to insults such as "Thanks for trying though. I appreciate a debate, no matter how weak the other side's ability." is NOT helping your case. Not everyone has blind faith in Sony pulling through, like you do. and thisWAS a good debate until you started acting superior with your little remarks "aeronatics scientists" crap, while everyone else reading this thread sees what aTOOL you are.Lots oflast-gen cows have finally admitted that the 360 is a good system, while some of them have even converted over from the Sony camp.

Seriously, nice try cow. What's your next post. Just wait till ________ (insert time period)

[QUOTE="elite_ferns1"][QUOTE="bforrester"]

Let's see....PS2 sales: 130,000,000

Xbox360 sales: 11,500,000 (roughly)

PS3 Sales: 4,750,000 (roughly)

Wii Sales: 12,000,000 (roughly)

By my calculations there are still, at least, 100,000,000 gamers that have yet to adopt a next gen console. Nice try though.

bforrester

do you really think that the 100,000,000 people are obliged to follow sony in any way. Most of them are casuals who just want a good console.

And most of them have owned the PS1 and the PS2. This means that they already are familiar with many of the big Sony exclusive franchises, not to mention the hardware itself (think Dual analog controller). Personally, I wasn't tempted by the Origianal Xbox, as were many others as the sales numbers would suggest, because I wanted to play the games not found on other consoles.

Arrogance.

They was completly up themselves and needed a kick up the backside. Now that they've got it look at them, there trying to build up a decent online services, there trying to deal with motion controling. There actually trying to improve, if Nintendo and MS hadn't stepped there game up Sony would carry on thinking there god and making a graphic update every 10 years and calling it a new console.

I've always been an Xbox user, never a playstation. If sony can get there stuff in gear and put it at a reasonable price they might manage to get me to buy one of there consoles this gen but right now, looks like there going down hill.