Sony's 4D COmment

A lot of people seem to be on Sony's back about "empty promises" they've made. One in particular is 4D graphics.

Now what people don't understand is that 4D is considered something else in development terms. So 4D gets confused when compared to 3D. In Physics we cannot see the 4D dimension, but that's a physics topic that only Carl Sagan can explain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnURElCzGc0

But in video games, 4D = Time, which affects all objects in the world that has been created. Take a look at the following video

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/4d-graphics-a-reality-only/98997

Check out how everything rots away, tiles, the tub, paint on the walls. This is what was meant by 4D graphics and it is still possible on the PS3, there just haven't been a reason to use it yet.

Nope. Time exists in every game since Mario 1. Just because they add texture decay doesn't give a game 4D "graphics" i believe was the exact term they used.

Nope. Time exists in every game since Mario 1. Just because they add texture decay doesn't give a game 4D "graphics" i believe was the exact term they used.

Phazevariance

really only on ps3? procedural generation has been around since the 80's all they did is add it to the textures. not to mention the epic fail in that video is that profx2 is already available for people to use on the pc and xbox 360 but not the ps3

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Nope. Time exists in every game since Mario 1. Just because they add texture decay doesn't give a game 4D "graphics" i believe was the exact term they used.

Zero_epyon

dude you can do that on an Atari 2600, there's nothing special about the method you're talking about

their whole 4D thing was marketing BS taken to a very ignorant extreme, there's a reason everybody laughed @ them for making those comments

more of sony marketing talking out there ass.

Basically the idea is that if 3D is better than 2D than 4D is better than 3D. Since the ps3 is better it's 4D.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="Phazevariance"]

Nope. Time exists in every game since Mario 1. Just because they add texture decay doesn't give a game 4D "graphics" i believe was the exact term they used.

88mphSlayer

dude you can do that on an Atari 2600, there's nothing special about the method you're talking about

their whole 4D thing was marketing BS taken to a very ignorant extreme, there's a reason everybody laughed @ them for making those comments

Pretty much.

I don't know why some people are so intent on seeing Sony as some saintly company that always keeps its promises.

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[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] So changing how textures look on screen have nothing to do with graphics?GreySeal9

dude you can do that on an Atari 2600, there's nothing special about the method you're talking about

their whole 4D thing was marketing BS taken to a very ignorant extreme, there's a reason everybody laughed @ them for making those comments

Pretty much.

I don't know why some people are so intent on seeing Sony as some saintly company that always keeps its promises.

Sony pretty much just made up a buzz word that doesn't mean anything.

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[QUOTE="88mphSlayer"]

dude you can do that on an Atari 2600, there's nothing special about the method you're talking about

their whole 4D thing was marketing BS taken to a very ignorant extreme, there's a reason everybody laughed @ them for making those comments

carljohnson3456

Pretty much.

I don't know why some people are so intent on seeing Sony as some saintly company that always keeps its promises.

Yeah, it's pretty funny that fanboys will defend something that Sony just probably wants to forget. I'm guessing that with the PS3 image redesign also came a more "measured" approach by Sony.

No matter you how you spin it. NO.

Nope. Time exists in every game since Mario 1. Just because they add texture decay doesn't give a game 4D "graphics" i believe was the exact term they used.

Phazevariance

Wow. This has got to be the most delayed DC I've ever seen. I like the one where they said the PS3 was going to have 7 usb ports and do 120 FPS. Can you explain that one? I mean since we are in wayback machine mode.

Wow. This has got to be the most delayed DC I've ever seen. I like the one where they said the PS3 was going to have 7 usb ports and do 120 FPS. Can you explain that one? I mean since we are in wayback machine mode.

heretrix

Wow. This has got to be the most delayed DC I've ever seen. I like the one where they said the PS3 was going to have 7 usb ports and do 120 FPS. Can you explain that one? I mean since we are in wayback machine mode.

Nope. Time exists in every game since Mario 1. Just because they add texture decay doesn't give a game 4D "graphics" i believe was the exact term they used.

Wow. This has got to be the most delayed DC I've ever seen. I like the one where they said the PS3 was going to have 7 usb ports and do 120 FPS. Can you explain that one? I mean since we are in wayback machine mode.

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Wow. This has got to be the most delayed DC I've ever seen. I like the one where they said the PS3 was going to have 7 usb ports and do 120 FPS. Can you explain that one? I mean since we are in wayback machine mode.

Zero_epyon

120fps is for stereoscopic 3D and 4D was implemented in Motorstorm (track deformation over time).

Sega Rally Revo had deformation roads as well, does that make it have 4D elements?

How can time be an object on it own without the addtion to an existing object? If it cannot stand alone it is still a 3D object.

Nope. Time exists in every game since Mario 1. Just because they add texture decay doesn't give a game 4D "graphics" i believe was the exact term they used.

Phazevariance

4D : playing Ps3 game with 3D effects. Just like Avatar.

4D: makes you feel like you are really "there" playing the game. which i can see that happening in the game industry within next 10 years.

I think Ps 4 = 4D

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

Wow. This has got to be the most delayed DC I've ever seen. I like the one where they said the PS3 was going to have 7 usb ports and do 120 FPS. Can you explain that one? I mean since we are in wayback machine mode.

skektek

120fps is for stereoscopic 3D and 4D was implemented in Motorstorm (track deformation over time).

that's just drawing textures, Forza 1 on the Xbox 1 did that as well by drawing tire tracks when you drift/burnout

4D is a mathematical concept that has no practical application to gaming. As far as I know it has no particular practical applications in anthing, basically complex numbers for university grads... .. Sony didn't ``mean``anything but to stir up hype, the PS3 cant do 4D graphics, the PC cant do 4D graphics, your eyes cant see 4D graphics (because they do not physically exist) . Redefining a concept to suit your needs is just pointless justification for Sony`s beginning of gen nonsense (and there was a lot of it).alextherussian

So um Zelda ocarina of time had day/night weather changing over the course of time. I guess it was 4D then. Heck you could even travel through time.

So Timeshift was 4D. TC fails.ocstew

[QUOTE="ocstew"]So Timeshift was 4D. TC fails.Zero_epyon

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="ocstew"]So Timeshift was 4D. TC fails.ocstew

And what do you mean engines aren't self aware? Of course they are.

[QUOTE="ocstew"][QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] None of you understand at all. This isn't about time during gameplay. Basically the engine produces the textures instead of just loading them, and over time depending on your actions, the textures will change. Suppose you play a game or run a program such as a dynamic theme where you plant a seed. That seed's texture will not simply refresh itself at predetermines times during the programs run. No, depending on how it is kept in the environment has an effect on how the engine renders the plant it will become. And it will also render how it dies. Tell me what game MAKES its textures as oppose to loading them?Zero_epyon

EDIT: so you think engines are even close to humans? nope, they can only do what people program them to do, and sadly nobody can program an engine to make textures by itself.

[QUOTE="ocstew"]So Timeshift was 4D. TC fails.Zero_epyon

What you are talking about is not 4D. If I say yellow is a elephant this does not make it the case, if you say 4D is about an engine producing textures instead of loading them this is not the case.

A lot of people seem to be on Sony's back about "empty promises" they've made. One in particular is 4D graphics.

Now what people don't understand is that 4D is considered something else in development terms. So 4D gets confused when compared to 3D. In Physics we cannot see the 4D dimension, but that's a physics topic that only Carl Sagan can explain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnURElCzGc0

But in video games, 4D = Time, which affects all objects in the world that has been created. Take a look at the following video

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/4d-graphics-a-reality-only/98997

Check out how everything rots away, tiles, the tub, paint on the walls. This is what was meant by 4D graphics and it is still possible on the PS3, there just haven't been a reason to use it yet.

Zero_epyon

*rolls eyes* we all can go back and forth with theories and such about the 4th dimension and it will get no where the key fact is.

Sony's 4d statements were PR, A puffing.

Much like 120fps, 1080p on all games...ect