Sony's leadership is incompetent.

Sony Computer Entertainment is run by incompetent people.

How come everyone here at Gamespot can see it but they can't? Every facet of their organization reeks of incompetency.

Look at their marketing for example. Cows take it upon themselves to boast Sony's 1st party studios and games because Sony's marketing team doesn't do it themselves. They never advertise their games. They never create a buzz or any excitement, they don't even get the simple message across that the games exist. The PS3 has a laundry list of 1st party exclusive killer apps, but what is the point if no one knows about them? Sure, you guys here at Gamespot forums know about the PS3 1st party studios and games, but that's because you research it, and people talk about them here and you see the discussions. Most gamers in the real world don't research games. I have a bunch of Sony 1st party exclusive games, and I had to research those games myself. I had to take it upon myself, and use my own time to research and discover these games. Sony essentially has all the tools (games) they need to succeed, but they just can't pull the trigger and market them properly.

Who at Sony gave the thumbs up to launch a $600 console? They honestly expected to get by on brand loyalty alone, and didn't think that the price tag would scare away customers? I'm sorry, but I'm confident that even a child could realize that that was a bone headed decision. I remember reading somewhere about some big time Sony executive claiming how they just assumed PS2 owners would move on to the PS3 and not worry about the cost. It's beyond me how these people are in the position they are, they're so out of touch with reality. I bought a PS3 at launch. I like Playstation a lot and even I was second guessing my purchase at one point. I had 1 other friend that bought a PS3 at launch, and no one else that I knew would have even considered it. The 360 was way cheaper, and it had good games out at that point. The PS3 had no games, just a steep price tag, they were trying to get by on the name alone. Not even American consumers are that careless.

What about the leadership in the PSN division? They got hacked and the PSN was down for over a month. Why was the security so shoddy to begin with? I don't know about you, but I'll sure as heck never use my credit card on the PSN again, I use those pre-paid PSN cards. Talk about losing the trust of your consumers and fans. What an embarrassment that was for Sony.

Sony can confidently say that they have failed miserably with the Move. You know dang well there is a special Sony division running the Move operation, and it is pretty obvious to me that they are incompetent. This sort of goes hand in hand with the marketing. The device works well enough, but give me a break, they sure did a horrible job letting people know about it. Microsoft spent 300 million on Kinect advertising. Sony spent practically nothing on their Move marketing. I mean, a lot of the time when it comes to Sony, I ask myself, why even bother? Unless you're going to back up your product and create buzz and excitement about it, why even bother making it? Do they just not have the money to market properly? If they don't, then maybe they should just get out of the gaming business period, because it is annoying watching them fail. It's like strike 1, strike 2, strike 3, oh wait, strike 4? Strike 5? Dang, they sure are allowed a lot of strikes.

I saw those 3D TVs at the store the other day that Sony made, those tiny little 20 something inch ones. I'm assuming that thing is failing, because they were practically giving the things away at Best Buy and Gamestop. First of all, why would anyone even want that thing? 3D TVs that require glasses are old technology anyways, not to mention, who wants to have a small TV like that as their primary gaming TV? 3D TVs are going to be glasses free in the near future, no one is even going to want those 3D TVs that require glasses. This is just an example of a product that should have never been released, this thing is reminiscent of like the Virtual Boy in terms of success. Alright, maybe not that bad.

How do all these big time executives at Sony still have jobs? Why haven't they wiped the slate clean and started anew? That company needs to conduct some major layoffs, because their management and leadership is clearly out of touch with reality.

Then most recently, some hot shot at Sony comes out and says they want their next console to focus less on power and less on gaming, and they want to reach out to females? Lol, Sony, just stop, you're just making me sad now.

Oh how the mighty have fallen......

and we have yet another troll, seriously how many threads have you done about the same in every forum

and we have yet another troll, seriously how many threads have you done about the same in every forum

Krelian-co

Sony is my favorite gaming company. Just look at my video game collection in my sig, I have like 80 PS3 games. PS3 is my console of choice. I'm just stating the cold hard facts here. Nothing funny or trollish about the cold hard truth.

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and we have yet another troll, seriously how many threads have you done about the same in every forum

arkephonic

Sony is my favorite gaming company. Just look at my video game collection in my sig, I have like 80 PS3 games. PS3 is my console of choice. I'm just stating the cold hard facts here. Nothing funny or trollish about the cold hard truth.

i couldnt care less about your "reasons" or how many games you have or what company you support, spamming the forums is annoying you can say w/e the hell you want in 1 thread, there is no need to make 5465146 threads about the same in every subforum

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and we have yet another troll, seriously how many threads have you done about the same in every forum

Krelian-co

Sony is my favorite gaming company. Just look at my video game collection in my sig, I have like 80 PS3 games. PS3 is my console of choice. I'm just stating the cold hard facts here. Nothing funny or trollish about the cold hard truth.

i couldnt care less about your "reasons" or how many games you have or what company you support, spamming the forums is annoying you can say w/e the hell you want in 1 thread, there is no need to make 5465146 threads about the same in every subforum

Woah woah woah, Mr. Overreaction. I made 1 other thread about Sony, and it had to do with the direction of the 8th generation and the speculation of the PS4. Suddenly 1 other thread that is irrelevant to this one equates to 5 million threads that are the exact same?

What do you have a degree in, or a large amount of experience in?

Yes their leadership is not the best. Check out this timeline that was made on here and here are some examples.

-Kutaragi said the PS3 is too cheap at $600

-SCEE CEO David Reeves: "It doesn't really matter what ships at launch." "The first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even it didn't have games,"

-Sony's Phil Harrison denies copying the Wiimote and states that the PS3 will replace the PC

-Sony Exec calls the 360 and Wii "too expensive"

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/25247543

That was just in one years time except for about 4 links.

What do you have a degree in, or a large amount of experience in?

lundy86_4

I don't usually talk about my personal life on the internet, lol. Why do you ask?

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What do you have a degree in, or a large amount of experience in?

arkephonic

I don't usually talk about my personal life on the internet, lol. Why do you ask?

because for a random guy on the internet spamming forum you sure think you know what a multimillion company should or should not do.

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What do you have a degree in, or a large amount of experience in?

arkephonic

I don't usually talk about my personal life on the internet, lol. Why do you ask?

That would have a huge amount of impact on the discussion you are putting forth. If you have a much larger experience and a higher education than those in charge of Sony, I will defer to your judgement.

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What do you have a degree in, or a large amount of experience in?

lundy86_4

I don't usually talk about my personal life on the internet, lol. Why do you ask?

That would have a huge amount of impact on the discussion you are putting forth. If you have a much larger experience and a higher education than those in charge of Sony, I will defer to your judgement.

In my opinion, it doesn't take a Bachelor's Degree in Business Management to see that Sony's leadership has made some questionable decisions. Am I the only one that thinks so?

They just keep making dumb decisions. That's all.

I think the biggest problems they're facing now is both the amount of money they invest in their first party versus the returns they get, and also how much of a money pit PSN is to them. They really should start charging for that.

I imagine the Vita will flop here in the states too, and not just because of Nintendo's offerings. Apple drastically changed the market for handhelds with their iPhone and iPad. I just don't see the PS Vita selling millions with so much competition in the market nowadays.

I actually can agree with the points the TC is making. Very clear cut and to the point without being fanboyish or trollish. It's actually quite professional. You all need to lay off of the TC for spamming. I especially agree Sony needs to take a breather and get there shi* straight, In advertising and decision making.

In my opinion, it doesn't take a Bachelor's Degree in Business Management to see that Sony's leadership has made some questionable decisions. Am I the only one that thinks so?

arkephonic

20/20 hindsight is invaluabe to a business. It doesn't exist for current decisions though.

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and we have yet another troll, seriously how many threads have you done about the same in every forum

Sony is my favorite gaming company. Just look at my video game collection in my sig, I have like 80 PS3 games. PS3 is my console of choice. I'm just stating the cold hard facts here. Nothing funny or trollish about the cold hard truth.

They just keep making dumb decisions. That's all.

I think the biggest problems they're facing now is both the amount of money they invest in their first party versus the returns they get, and also how much of a money pit PSN is to them. They really should start charging for that.

I imagine the Vita will flop here in the states too, and not just because of Nintendo's offerings. Apple drastically changed the market for handhelds with their iPhone and iPad. I just don't see the PS Vita selling millions with so much competition in the market nowadays.

SW__Troll

I've been defending the PSVita quite a bit on here, saying not to jump to conclusions about it. I think that it has a western centric launch line up that isn't very appealing to the eastern market, and even though Japan's handheld market is larger than their home console market, they still aren't as big of a player as Europe or North America.

That being said, you bring up a good point about Apple changing the market. That, combined with the resurgence of Nintendo's handheld success with the 3DS, I seriously don't see the Vita taking off when it hits globally. It might bomb, unfortunately.

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In my opinion, it doesn't take a Bachelor's Degree in Business Management to see that Sony's leadership has made some questionable decisions. Am I the only one that thinks so?

lundy86_4

20/20 hindsight is invaluabe to a business. It doesn't exist for current decisions though.

That's definitely true. It's also true that some businesses learn from their mistakes better than others.

I'm extremely impressed with Nintendo's handling of the 3DS rocky start. People can say what they want about Nintendo, but they sure know how to run a business. They got that thing on track so fast.

I'm not gonna read your wall of text, but is say....Microsoft's leadership any better? Sure, their OS is the most used in the world, but not because it's the best. They just did it right one time..about 15 years ago, and now people use Windows more for 15 years worth of userbase and software compatibality than anything else.

Do I need to list down all the things Microsoft screwed over? The list is as long as Sony's.

1. Internet Explorer. Microsoft kicked Netscape out of the picture, and at one time, there was almost a 90% IE usage in market share. Now they are down to 40% or maybe less. Almost everyone prefers Firefox or Chrome. Those who stick to IE either do not have the 'know how' or don't care because it's their work PC. Either way, IE sux.

2. Windows Vista. Dear God, does it even need elaboration? It's like the people who made Vista were not PC users themselves, and do not know the fundamentals of what regular PC users want or don't want in an OS. It was so much of a failure that Windows 7 followed switftly after what was once supposedly the 'revolutionary' OS

3. 'Bing' search engine. Fail. Who the hell uses Bing anyway?

4. Games For Windows. Fail. Not a coincidence that we don't see this label on games anymore.

5. Xbox 360. Success in sales but failure in hardware. RROD has almost the highest failure rate in the history of consoles. Worst than ps2, and almost everyone I know who had a 360 had RROD'ed at least once. Lemmings close one eye due to the 3 year warranty. And ultimately, none of us really know how much this failure costs Microsoft. Maybe they lost a billion bucks. But it was undeclared, and so people don't think it's a financial problem for Microsoft.

6. Microsoft Office 2007. This one is subjective. But from what I've been gathering, and from my own personal experience, Office 2007's interface was butchered so badly until no one seems to be able to find basic functions.

7. Zune. One word. Fail.

Of course there are several things MS did right. Xbox Live was one of them. But the point i'm trying to make is that it's as easy to list down failures from MS as it is from Sony. So doing so it quite moot.

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They just keep making dumb decisions. That's all.

I think the biggest problems they're facing now is both the amount of money they invest in their first party versus the returns they get, and also how much of a money pit PSN is to them. They really should start charging for that.

I imagine the Vita will flop here in the states too, and not just because of Nintendo's offerings. Apple drastically changed the market for handhelds with their iPhone and iPad. I just don't see the PS Vita selling millions with so much competition in the market nowadays.

arkephonic

I've been defending the PSVita quite a bit on here, saying not to jump to conclusions about it. I think that it has a western centric launch line up that isn't very appealing to the eastern market, and even though Japan's handheld market is larger than their home console market, they still aren't as big of a player as Europe or North America.

That being said, you bring up a good point about Apple changing the market. That, combined with the resurgence of Nintendo's handheld success with the 3DS, I seriously don't see the Vita taking off when it hits globally. It might bomb, unfortunately.

The PSP also had a hefty library of western-centric titles, and look how well that did?

People go on all the time about how 70 million hardware units sold means it didn't fail, but what about software sales? As far as I know it has the absolute lowest attach rate of any current system, and the lowest software sales overall.

Sure in Japan it did well, but the market just was not there for the PSP in America a few years after it launched. Once the iPhone launched the PSP's software market share in the handheld sector dropped like a rock.

And yet again here comes Sony with the PS Vita. Their second attempt at "a console in your hands" with their big launch title of Uncharted? Is Uncharted really what handheld gamers want? Even in America is that what they want?

I mean anything's possible, but I forsee the PS Vita failing pretty massively in America because the competition is just too good in comparison.

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They just keep making dumb decisions. That's all.

I think the biggest problems they're facing now is both the amount of money they invest in their first party versus the returns they get, and also how much of a money pit PSN is to them. They really should start charging for that.

I imagine the Vita will flop here in the states too, and not just because of Nintendo's offerings. Apple drastically changed the market for handhelds with their iPhone and iPad. I just don't see the PS Vita selling millions with so much competition in the market nowadays.

SW__Troll

I've been defending the PSVita quite a bit on here, saying not to jump to conclusions about it. I think that it has a western centric launch line up that isn't very appealing to the eastern market, and even though Japan's handheld market is larger than their home console market, they still aren't as big of a player as Europe or North America.

That being said, you bring up a good point about Apple changing the market. That, combined with the resurgence of Nintendo's handheld success with the 3DS, I seriously don't see the Vita taking off when it hits globally. It might bomb, unfortunately.

The PSP also had a hefty library of western-centric titles, and look how well that did?

People go on all the time about how 70 million hardware units sold means it didn't fail, but what about software sales? As far as I know it has the absolute lowest attach rate of any current system, and the lowest software sales overall.

Sure in Japan it did well, but the market just was not there for the PSP in America a few years after it launched. Once the iPhone launched the PSP's software market share in the handheld sector dropped like a rock.

And yet again here comes Sony with the PS Vita. Their second attempt at "a console in your hands" with their big launch title of Uncharted? Is Uncharted really what handheld gamers want? Even in America is that what they want?

I mean anything's possible, but I forsee the PS Vita failing pretty massively in America because the competition is just too good in comparison.

Unfortunately for Sony, I think you're right. I just don't see the Vita really taking off, even with Uncharted. I mean, Uncharted doesn't have any replayability, it's an experience. It's one of those games you just wanna play through once or twice, the 2nd time being to get the trophies or to complete it on Crushing. I really don't see the appeal of playing Uncharted on a handheld, and I'm not sure if the masses will either.

This kind of goes hand in hand with what I was saying earlier about businesses being able to learn from their mistakes. Hindsight is 20/20, right? I guess it isn't for Sony, because they sure do like to repeat their mistakes. It's too early to say that, though, because Vita hasn't launched globally, but it sure doesn't look promising from my point of view.

Marketing is the big problem. (And no, not just advertising)

They haven't thought about what it is consumer's want, nor how to price or promote it.

I honestly think they're HR department needs to seriously hire some younger people in the know. All the decisions seem like they are made by old people in higher-up positions who are only there due to the amount of years spent with the company. It seriously feels like they only have 1 graphic designer, who they hired like 20 years ago. I mean, look at that PS Store...

So yes, I think this is a management problem.

I feel like this whole generation for Sony would make for a great case study in Business School.

The ViTA is a repeat. Although the presentation is nicer this time around, it still looks like they haven't thought clearely about defining their target marget. Ya know, step one?

Why are they pushing so many casual touch games when people can buy those for 1$ on their phone?

Also, although I get that they problem pushed for an Uncharted game that looks 'familiar' in order to convey how the VITA can emulate a ps3 experience, I think they shot themselves in the foot, cause Golden Abyss looks really generic. Why not release Uncharted 4 (a brand new locale, etc) exclusive on the VITA instead?

Marketing is the big problem. (And no, not just advertising)

They haven't thought about what it is consumer's want, nor how to price or promote it.

I honestly think they're HR department needs to seriously hire some younger people in the know. All the decisions seem like they are made by old people in higher-up positions who are only there due to the amount of years spent with the company. It seriously feels like they only have 1 graphic designer, who they hired like 20 years ago. I mean, look at that PS Store...

So yes, I think this is a management problem.

I feel like this whole generation for Sony would make for a great case study in Business School.

The ViTA is a repeat. Although the presentation is nicer this time around, it still looks like they haven't thought clearely about defining their target marget. Ya know, step one?

Why are they pushing so many casual touch games when people can buy those for 1$ on their phone?

FeedOnATreeFrog

MS is like that too... if anything, I'd say they're much worse about it than Sony.

Nintendo is the only one of them that I think looks like they 'get it'...

Sony just need to sell their gaming division to Nintendo so that Nintendo can turn their broken and failing franchises into worthy Wii U exclusives.Selling Sonys gaming division to Nintendo would be the wisest decision in playstations history.Otherwise after Vita is dead in a couple of months after its worldwide release it will bring them one step closer to their imminent and unavoidable bankruptcy.

Who at Sony gave the thumbs up to launch a $600 console? They honestly expected to get by on brand loyalty alone, and didn't think that the price tag would scare away customers? I'm sorry, but I'm confident that even a child could realize that that was a bone headed decision.

arkephonic

and so is Microsofts Leadship atleast for me they lost me as a customer.

Sony Computer Entertainment is run by incompetent people.

How come everyone here at Gamespot can see it but they can't? Every facet of their organization reeks of incompetency.

Look at their marketing for example. Cows take it upon themselves to boast Sony's 1st party studios and games because Sony's marketing team doesn't do it themselves. They never advertise their games. They never create a buzz or any excitement, they don't even get the simple message across that the games exist. The PS3 has a laundry list of 1st party exclusive killer apps, but what is the point if no one knows about them? Sure, you guys here at Gamespot forums know about the PS3 1st party studios and games, but that's because you research it, and people talk about them here and you see the discussions. Most gamers in the real world don't research games. I have a bunch of Sony 1st party exclusive games, and I had to research those games myself. I had to take it upon myself, and use my own time to research and discover these games. Sony essentially has all the tools (games) they need to succeed, but they just can't pull the trigger and market them properly.

Sony has excellent marketing. Kevin Butler is one of the best marketing decisions I've ever seen. The commercials are great and gets people interested in the product. The Marketing for the PS3 wasn't so great at the start, but it really did get better.

Who at Sony gave the thumbs up to launch a $600 console? They honestly expected to get by on brand loyalty alone, and didn't think that the price tag would scare away customers? I'm sorry, but I'm confident that even a child could realize that that was a bone headed decision. I remember reading somewhere about some big time Sony executive claiming how they just assumed PS2 owners would move on to the PS3 and not worry about the cost. It's beyond me how these people are in the position they are, they're so out of touch with reality. I bought a PS3 at launch. I like Playstation a lot and even I was second guessing my purchase at one point. I had 1 other friend that bought a PS3 at launch, and no one else that I knew would have even considered it. The 360 was way cheaper, and it had good games out at that point. The PS3 had no games, just a steep price tag, they were trying to get by on the name alone. Not even American consumers are that careless.

The 360 was rushed to launch and you must factor in the cost of Live if you want to talk abou the 360 simply because that's the only way you can play online. Why buy a 360 if you don't pay for Live? Everyone who wanted a PS3 at launch got a PS3 at launch reguardless of the $600 price tag. I don't see the problem. The 360 was cheaper, but also was cheap in build quality which lead to the RROD disaster. You get what you pay for.

What about the leadership in the PSN division? They got hacked and the PSN was down for over a month. Why was the security so shoddy to begin with? I don't know about you, but I'll sure as heck never use my credit card on the PSN again, I use those pre-paid PSN cards. Talk about losing the trust of your consumers and fans. What an embarrassment that was for Sony.

I'm getting tired of people blaming Sony for the hacking. It's like blaming the owner of a house because someone robbed it. It's ridiculous.

Sony can confidently say that they have failed miserably with the Move. You know dang well there is a special Sony division running the Move operation, and it is pretty obvious to me that they are incompetent. This sort of goes hand in hand with the marketing. The device works well enough, but give me a break, they sure did a horrible job letting people know about it. Microsoft spent 300 million on Kinect advertising. Sony spent practically nothing on their Move marketing. I mean, a lot of the time when it comes to Sony, I ask myself, why even bother? Unless you're going to back up your product and create buzz and excitement about it, why even bother making it? Do they just not have the money to market properly? If they don't, then maybe they should just get out of the gaming business period, because it is annoying watching them fail. It's like strike 1, strike 2, strike 3, oh wait, strike 4? Strike 5? Dang, they sure are allowed a lot of strikes.

The Move wasn't a good idea, but it's good that Sony isn't really focusing on it like Microsoft is focusing on Kinect. Microsoft is alienating it's hardcore gamers by shoving the Kinect on the 360 like it's the greatest thing. Microsoft is doing what no company should be doing, changing the focus of your product years down the line. All you will end up with is an angry fanbase and lost customers. Kinect is worse than the Move when you think about the changes it will make to the system and with rumors that the Kinect will be built in to the 720, Microsoft is going to force something on their loyal fanbase that they simply don't care about, which is a very bad thing. So the Move wasn't a good idea, but at least Sony isn't shoving it in the face of their customers and changing the whole focus of the console.

I saw those 3D TVs at the store the other day that Sony made, those tiny little 20 something inch ones. I'm assuming that thing is failing, because they were practically giving the things away at Best Buy and Gamestop. First of all, why would anyone even want that thing? 3D TVs that require glasses are old technology anyways, not to mention, who wants to have a small TV like that as their primary gaming TV? 3D TVs are going to be glasses free in the near future, no one is even going to want those 3D TVs that require glasses. This is just an example of a product that should have never been released, this thing is reminiscent of like the Virtual Boy in terms of success. Alright, maybe not that bad.

Just like you said, glasses free 3D TVs are on the way and Sony is looking ahead at that and jumping on it before anyone else. When the technology improves and 3D TVs become affordable and look amazing, Microsoft will have wished they had jumped on that early as well.

How do all these big time executives at Sony still have jobs? Why haven't they wiped the slate clean and started anew? That company needs to conduct some major layoffs, because their management and leadership is clearly out of touch with reality.

Then most recently, some hot shot at Sony comes out and says they want their next console to focus less on power and less on gaming, and they want to reach out to females? Lol, Sony, just stop, you're just making me sad now.

Oh how the mighty have fallen......

arkephonic

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Sony Computer Entertainment is run by incompetent people.

How come everyone here at Gamespot can see it but they can't? Every facet of their organization reeks of incompetency.

Look at their marketing for example. Cows take it upon themselves to boast Sony's 1st party studios and games because Sony's marketing team doesn't do it themselves. They never advertise their games. They never create a buzz or any excitement, they don't even get the simple message across that the games exist. The PS3 has a laundry list of 1st party exclusive killer apps, but what is the point if no one knows about them? Sure, you guys here at Gamespot forums know about the PS3 1st party studios and games, but that's because you research it, and people talk about them here and you see the discussions. Most gamers in the real world don't research games. I have a bunch of Sony 1st party exclusive games, and I had to research those games myself. I had to take it upon myself, and use my own time to research and discover these games. Sony essentially has all the tools (games) they need to succeed, but they just can't pull the trigger and market them properly.

Sony has excellent marketing. Kevin Butler is one of the best marketing decisions I've ever seen. The commercials are great and gets people interested in the product. The Marketing for the PS3 wasn't so great at the start, but it really did get better.

Who at Sony gave the thumbs up to launch a $600 console? They honestly expected to get by on brand loyalty alone, and didn't think that the price tag would scare away customers? I'm sorry, but I'm confident that even a child could realize that that was a bone headed decision. I remember reading somewhere about some big time Sony executive claiming how they just assumed PS2 owners would move on to the PS3 and not worry about the cost. It's beyond me how these people are in the position they are, they're so out of touch with reality. I bought a PS3 at launch. I like Playstation a lot and even I was second guessing my purchase at one point. I had 1 other friend that bought a PS3 at launch, and no one else that I knew would have even considered it. The 360 was way cheaper, and it had good games out at that point. The PS3 had no games, just a steep price tag, they were trying to get by on the name alone. Not even American consumers are that careless.

The 360 was rushed to launch and you must factor in the cost of Live if you want to talk abou the 360 simply because that's the only way you can play online. Why buy a 360 if you don't pay for Live? Everyone who wanted a PS3 at launch got a PS3 at launch reguardless of the $600 price tag. I don't see the problem. The 360 was cheaper, but also was cheap in build quality which lead to the RROD disaster. You get what you pay for.

What about the leadership in the PSN division? They got hacked and the PSN was down for over a month. Why was the security so shoddy to begin with? I don't know about you, but I'll sure as heck never use my credit card on the PSN again, I use those pre-paid PSN cards. Talk about losing the trust of your consumers and fans. What an embarrassment that was for Sony.

I'm getting tired of people blaming Sony for the hacking. It's like blaming the owner of a house because someone robbed it. It's ridiculous.

Sony can confidently say that they have failed miserably with the Move. You know dang well there is a special Sony division running the Move operation, and it is pretty obvious to me that they are incompetent. This sort of goes hand in hand with the marketing. The device works well enough, but give me a break, they sure did a horrible job letting people know about it. Microsoft spent 300 million on Kinect advertising. Sony spent practically nothing on their Move marketing. I mean, a lot of the time when it comes to Sony, I ask myself, why even bother? Unless you're going to back up your product and create buzz and excitement about it, why even bother making it? Do they just not have the money to market properly? If they don't, then maybe they should just get out of the gaming business period, because it is annoying watching them fail. It's like strike 1, strike 2, strike 3, oh wait, strike 4? Strike 5? Dang, they sure are allowed a lot of strikes.

The Move wasn't a good idea, but it's good that Sony isn't really focusing on it like Microsoft is focusing on Kinect. Microsoft is alienating it's hardcore gamers by shoving the Kinect on the 360 like it's the greatest thing. Microsoft is doing what no company should be doing, changing the focus of your product years down the line. All you will end up with is an angry fanbase and lost customers. Kinect is worse than the Move when you think about the changes it will make to the system and with rumors that the Kinect will be built in to the 720, Microsoft is going to force something on their loyal fanbase that they simply don't care about, which is a very bad thing. So the Move wasn't a good idea, but at least Sony isn't shoving it in the face of their customers and changing the whole focus of the console.

I saw those 3D TVs at the store the other day that Sony made, those tiny little 20 something inch ones. I'm assuming that thing is failing, because they were practically giving the things away at Best Buy and Gamestop. First of all, why would anyone even want that thing? 3D TVs that require glasses are old technology anyways, not to mention, who wants to have a small TV like that as their primary gaming TV? 3D TVs are going to be glasses free in the near future, no one is even going to want those 3D TVs that require glasses. This is just an example of a product that should have never been released, this thing is reminiscent of like the Virtual Boy in terms of success. Alright, maybe not that bad.

Just like you said, glasses free 3D TVs are on the way and Sony is looking ahead at that and jumping on it before anyone else. When the technology improves and 3D TVs become affordable and look amazing, Microsoft will have wished they had jumped on that early as well.

How do all these big time executives at Sony still have jobs? Why haven't they wiped the slate clean and started anew? That company needs to conduct some major layoffs, because their management and leadership is clearly out of touch with reality.

Then most recently, some hot shot at Sony comes out and says they want their next console to focus less on power and less on gaming, and they want to reach out to females? Lol, Sony, just stop, you're just making me sad now.

Oh how the mighty have fallen......

I actually can agree with the points the TC is making. Very clear cut and to the point without being fanboyish or trollish. It's actually quite professional. You all need to lay off of the TC for spamming. I especially agree Sony needs to take a breather and get there shi* straight, In advertising and decision making.

randomguy15

Agreed.

You don't need a business degree to see that Sony has made some pretty dumb decisions. They better get their act together for the PS4.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Sony Computer Entertainment is run by incompetent people.

How come everyone here at Gamespot can see it but they can't? Every facet of their organization reeks of incompetency.

Look at their marketing for example. Cows take it upon themselves to boast Sony's 1st party studios and games because Sony's marketing team doesn't do it themselves. They never advertise their games. They never create a buzz or any excitement, they don't even get the simple message across that the games exist. The PS3 has a laundry list of 1st party exclusive killer apps, but what is the point if no one knows about them? Sure, you guys here at Gamespot forums know about the PS3 1st party studios and games, but that's because you research it, and people talk about them here and you see the discussions. Most gamers in the real world don't research games. I have a bunch of Sony 1st party exclusive games, and I had to research those games myself. I had to take it upon myself, and use my own time to research and discover these games. Sony essentially has all the tools (games) they need to succeed, but they just can't pull the trigger and market them properly.

Sony has excellent marketing. Kevin Butler is one of the best marketing decisions I've ever seen. The commercials are great and gets people interested in the product. The Marketing for the PS3 wasn't so great at the start, but it really did get better.

Who at Sony gave the thumbs up to launch a $600 console? They honestly expected to get by on brand loyalty alone, and didn't think that the price tag would scare away customers? I'm sorry, but I'm confident that even a child could realize that that was a bone headed decision. I remember reading somewhere about some big time Sony executive claiming how they just assumed PS2 owners would move on to the PS3 and not worry about the cost. It's beyond me how these people are in the position they are, they're so out of touch with reality. I bought a PS3 at launch. I like Playstation a lot and even I was second guessing my purchase at one point. I had 1 other friend that bought a PS3 at launch, and no one else that I knew would have even considered it. The 360 was way cheaper, and it had good games out at that point. The PS3 had no games, just a steep price tag, they were trying to get by on the name alone. Not even American consumers are that careless.

The 360 was rushed to launch and you must factor in the cost of Live if you want to talk abou the 360 simply because that's the only way you can play online. Why buy a 360 if you don't pay for Live? Everyone who wanted a PS3 at launch got a PS3 at launch reguardless of the $600 price tag. I don't see the problem. The 360 was cheaper, but also was cheap in build quality which lead to the RROD disaster. You get what you pay for.

What about the leadership in the PSN division? They got hacked and the PSN was down for over a month. Why was the security so shoddy to begin with? I don't know about you, but I'll sure as heck never use my credit card on the PSN again, I use those pre-paid PSN cards. Talk about losing the trust of your consumers and fans. What an embarrassment that was for Sony.

I'm getting tired of people blaming Sony for the hacking. It's like blaming the owner of a house because someone robbed it. It's ridiculous.

Sony can confidently say that they have failed miserably with the Move. You know dang well there is a special Sony division running the Move operation, and it is pretty obvious to me that they are incompetent. This sort of goes hand in hand with the marketing. The device works well enough, but give me a break, they sure did a horrible job letting people know about it. Microsoft spent 300 million on Kinect advertising. Sony spent practically nothing on their Move marketing. I mean, a lot of the time when it comes to Sony, I ask myself, why even bother? Unless you're going to back up your product and create buzz and excitement about it, why even bother making it? Do they just not have the money to market properly? If they don't, then maybe they should just get out of the gaming business period, because it is annoying watching them fail. It's like strike 1, strike 2, strike 3, oh wait, strike 4? Strike 5? Dang, they sure are allowed a lot of strikes.

The Move wasn't a good idea, but it's good that Sony isn't really focusing on it like Microsoft is focusing on Kinect. Microsoft is alienating it's hardcore gamers by shoving the Kinect on the 360 like it's the greatest thing. Microsoft is doing what no company should be doing, changing the focus of your product years down the line. All you will end up with is an angry fanbase and lost customers. Kinect is worse than the Move when you think about the changes it will make to the system and with rumors that the Kinect will be built in to the 720, Microsoft is going to force something on their loyal fanbase that they simply don't care about, which is a very bad thing. So the Move wasn't a good idea, but at least Sony isn't shoving it in the face of their customers and changing the whole focus of the console.

I saw those 3D TVs at the store the other day that Sony made, those tiny little 20 something inch ones. I'm assuming that thing is failing, because they were practically giving the things away at Best Buy and Gamestop. First of all, why would anyone even want that thing? 3D TVs that require glasses are old technology anyways, not to mention, who wants to have a small TV like that as their primary gaming TV? 3D TVs are going to be glasses free in the near future, no one is even going to want those 3D TVs that require glasses. This is just an example of a product that should have never been released, this thing is reminiscent of like the Virtual Boy in terms of success. Alright, maybe not that bad.

Just like you said, glasses free 3D TVs are on the way and Sony is looking ahead at that and jumping on it before anyone else. When the technology improves and 3D TVs become affordable and look amazing, Microsoft will have wished they had jumped on that early as well.

How do all these big time executives at Sony still have jobs? Why haven't they wiped the slate clean and started anew? That company needs to conduct some major layoffs, because their management and leadership is clearly out of touch with reality.

Then most recently, some hot shot at Sony comes out and says they want their next console to focus less on power and less on gaming, and they want to reach out to females? Lol, Sony, just stop, you're just making me sad now.

Oh how the mighty have fallen......

WilliamRLBaker

The one thing that Kevin Butler has going for him is that people like him. That's a big plus when you're trying to sell a product. It's more or less about the presentation and Sony does that pretty well with Kevin.

When talking about a systems failure rate, every system eventually fails, but Microsoft was even worse than the PS2 and the PS2 was pretty bad.

I still believe blaming Sony for the hacking is pretty dumb. They didn't exactly leave the door unlocked as you stated. People still needed to hack to get at the info.

When talking about the Move, I agree it was a pretty dumb idea, but props to Sony realising that it wasn't going anywhere and stop wasting time on it instead of trying to mass market it and shove it on to us. As I stated above Microsoft is going to have a hard time with their next console if Kinect is a big focus.

3D TVs have a long way to go before they become worthy additions to movies and games. When the techology gets good enough and the price goes down. It may get big or may not. But I have a feeling that the 4K TVs are going to be much bigger than 3D TVs. If Sony wants to focus on anything it's gotta be 4K, which they are doing, but I'm not sure what their plans are for their next gaming system.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Sony Computer Entertainment is run by incompetent people.

How come everyone here at Gamespot can see it but they can't? Every facet of their organization reeks of incompetency.

Look at their marketing for example. Cows take it upon themselves to boast Sony's 1st party studios and games because Sony's marketing team doesn't do it themselves. They never advertise their games. They never create a buzz or any excitement, they don't even get the simple message across that the games exist. The PS3 has a laundry list of 1st party exclusive killer apps, but what is the point if no one knows about them? Sure, you guys here at Gamespot forums know about the PS3 1st party studios and games, but that's because you research it, and people talk about them here and you see the discussions. Most gamers in the real world don't research games. I have a bunch of Sony 1st party exclusive games, and I had to research those games myself. I had to take it upon myself, and use my own time to research and discover these games. Sony essentially has all the tools (games) they need to succeed, but they just can't pull the trigger and market them properly.

Sony has excellent marketing. Kevin Butler is one of the best marketing decisions I've ever seen. The commercials are great and gets people interested in the product. The Marketing for the PS3 wasn't so great at the start, but it really did get better.

Who at Sony gave the thumbs up to launch a $600 console? They honestly expected to get by on brand loyalty alone, and didn't think that the price tag would scare away customers? I'm sorry, but I'm confident that even a child could realize that that was a bone headed decision. I remember reading somewhere about some big time Sony executive claiming how they just assumed PS2 owners would move on to the PS3 and not worry about the cost. It's beyond me how these people are in the position they are, they're so out of touch with reality. I bought a PS3 at launch. I like Playstation a lot and even I was second guessing my purchase at one point. I had 1 other friend that bought a PS3 at launch, and no one else that I knew would have even considered it. The 360 was way cheaper, and it had good games out at that point. The PS3 had no games, just a steep price tag, they were trying to get by on the name alone. Not even American consumers are that careless.

The 360 was rushed to launch and you must factor in the cost of Live if you want to talk abou the 360 simply because that's the only way you can play online. Why buy a 360 if you don't pay for Live? Everyone who wanted a PS3 at launch got a PS3 at launch reguardless of the $600 price tag. I don't see the problem. The 360 was cheaper, but also was cheap in build quality which lead to the RROD disaster. You get what you pay for.

What about the leadership in the PSN division? They got hacked and the PSN was down for over a month. Why was the security so shoddy to begin with? I don't know about you, but I'll sure as heck never use my credit card on the PSN again, I use those pre-paid PSN cards. Talk about losing the trust of your consumers and fans. What an embarrassment that was for Sony.

I'm getting tired of people blaming Sony for the hacking. It's like blaming the owner of a house because someone robbed it. It's ridiculous.

Sony can confidently say that they have failed miserably with the Move. You know dang well there is a special Sony division running the Move operation, and it is pretty obvious to me that they are incompetent. This sort of goes hand in hand with the marketing. The device works well enough, but give me a break, they sure did a horrible job letting people know about it. Microsoft spent 300 million on Kinect advertising. Sony spent practically nothing on their Move marketing. I mean, a lot of the time when it comes to Sony, I ask myself, why even bother? Unless you're going to back up your product and create buzz and excitement about it, why even bother making it? Do they just not have the money to market properly? If they don't, then maybe they should just get out of the gaming business period, because it is annoying watching them fail. It's like strike 1, strike 2, strike 3, oh wait, strike 4? Strike 5? Dang, they sure are allowed a lot of strikes.

The Move wasn't a good idea, but it's good that Sony isn't really focusing on it like Microsoft is focusing on Kinect. Microsoft is alienating it's hardcore gamers by shoving the Kinect on the 360 like it's the greatest thing. Microsoft is doing what no company should be doing, changing the focus of your product years down the line. All you will end up with is an angry fanbase and lost customers. Kinect is worse than the Move when you think about the changes it will make to the system and with rumors that the Kinect will be built in to the 720, Microsoft is going to force something on their loyal fanbase that they simply don't care about, which is a very bad thing. So the Move wasn't a good idea, but at least Sony isn't shoving it in the face of their customers and changing the whole focus of the console.

I saw those 3D TVs at the store the other day that Sony made, those tiny little 20 something inch ones. I'm assuming that thing is failing, because they were practically giving the things away at Best Buy and Gamestop. First of all, why would anyone even want that thing? 3D TVs that require glasses are old technology anyways, not to mention, who wants to have a small TV like that as their primary gaming TV? 3D TVs are going to be glasses free in the near future, no one is even going to want those 3D TVs that require glasses. This is just an example of a product that should have never been released, this thing is reminiscent of like the Virtual Boy in terms of success. Alright, maybe not that bad.

Just like you said, glasses free 3D TVs are on the way and Sony is looking ahead at that and jumping on it before anyone else. When the technology improves and 3D TVs become affordable and look amazing, Microsoft will have wished they had jumped on that early as well.

How do all these big time executives at Sony still have jobs? Why haven't they wiped the slate clean and started anew? That company needs to conduct some major layoffs, because their management and leadership is clearly out of touch with reality.

Then most recently, some hot shot at Sony comes out and says they want their next console to focus less on power and less on gaming, and they want to reach out to females? Lol, Sony, just stop, you're just making me sad now.

Oh how the mighty have fallen......

dream431ca

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Sony Computer Entertainment is run by incompetent people.

How come everyone here at Gamespot can see it but they can't? Every facet of their organization reeks of incompetency.

Look at their marketing for example. Cows take it upon themselves to boast Sony's 1st party studios and games because Sony's marketing team doesn't do it themselves. They never advertise their games. They never create a buzz or any excitement, they don't even get the simple message across that the games exist. The PS3 has a laundry list of 1st party exclusive killer apps, but what is the point if no one knows about them? Sure, you guys here at Gamespot forums know about the PS3 1st party studios and games, but that's because you research it, and people talk about them here and you see the discussions. Most gamers in the real world don't research games. I have a bunch of Sony 1st party exclusive games, and I had to research those games myself. I had to take it upon myself, and use my own time to research and discover these games. Sony essentially has all the tools (games) they need to succeed, but they just can't pull the trigger and market them properly.

Sony has excellent marketing. Kevin Butler is one of the best marketing decisions I've ever seen. The commercials are great and gets people interested in the product. The Marketing for the PS3 wasn't so great at the start, but it really did get better.

Who at Sony gave the thumbs up to launch a $600 console? They honestly expected to get by on brand loyalty alone, and didn't think that the price tag would scare away customers? I'm sorry, but I'm confident that even a child could realize that that was a bone headed decision. I remember reading somewhere about some big time Sony executive claiming how they just assumed PS2 owners would move on to the PS3 and not worry about the cost. It's beyond me how these people are in the position they are, they're so out of touch with reality. I bought a PS3 at launch. I like Playstation a lot and even I was second guessing my purchase at one point. I had 1 other friend that bought a PS3 at launch, and no one else that I knew would have even considered it. The 360 was way cheaper, and it had good games out at that point. The PS3 had no games, just a steep price tag, they were trying to get by on the name alone. Not even American consumers are that careless.

The 360 was rushed to launch and you must factor in the cost of Live if you want to talk abou the 360 simply because that's the only way you can play online. Why buy a 360 if you don't pay for Live? Everyone who wanted a PS3 at launch got a PS3 at launch reguardless of the $600 price tag. I don't see the problem. The 360 was cheaper, but also was cheap in build quality which lead to the RROD disaster. You get what you pay for.

What about the leadership in the PSN division? They got hacked and the PSN was down for over a month. Why was the security so shoddy to begin with? I don't know about you, but I'll sure as heck never use my credit card on the PSN again, I use those pre-paid PSN cards. Talk about losing the trust of your consumers and fans. What an embarrassment that was for Sony.

I'm getting tired of people blaming Sony for the hacking. It's like blaming the owner of a house because someone robbed it. It's ridiculous.

Sony can confidently say that they have failed miserably with the Move. You know dang well there is a special Sony division running the Move operation, and it is pretty obvious to me that they are incompetent. This sort of goes hand in hand with the marketing. The device works well enough, but give me a break, they sure did a horrible job letting people know about it. Microsoft spent 300 million on Kinect advertising. Sony spent practically nothing on their Move marketing. I mean, a lot of the time when it comes to Sony, I ask myself, why even bother? Unless you're going to back up your product and create buzz and excitement about it, why even bother making it? Do they just not have the money to market properly? If they don't, then maybe they should just get out of the gaming business period, because it is annoying watching them fail. It's like strike 1, strike 2, strike 3, oh wait, strike 4? Strike 5? Dang, they sure are allowed a lot of strikes.

The Move wasn't a good idea, but it's good that Sony isn't really focusing on it like Microsoft is focusing on Kinect. Microsoft is alienating it's hardcore gamers by shoving the Kinect on the 360 like it's the greatest thing. Microsoft is doing what no company should be doing, changing the focus of your product years down the line. All you will end up with is an angry fanbase and lost customers. Kinect is worse than the Move when you think about the changes it will make to the system and with rumors that the Kinect will be built in to the 720, Microsoft is going to force something on their loyal fanbase that they simply don't care about, which is a very bad thing. So the Move wasn't a good idea, but at least Sony isn't shoving it in the face of their customers and changing the whole focus of the console.

I saw those 3D TVs at the store the other day that Sony made, those tiny little 20 something inch ones. I'm assuming that thing is failing, because they were practically giving the things away at Best Buy and Gamestop. First of all, why would anyone even want that thing? 3D TVs that require glasses are old technology anyways, not to mention, who wants to have a small TV like that as their primary gaming TV? 3D TVs are going to be glasses free in the near future, no one is even going to want those 3D TVs that require glasses. This is just an example of a product that should have never been released, this thing is reminiscent of like the Virtual Boy in terms of success. Alright, maybe not that bad.

Just like you said, glasses free 3D TVs are on the way and Sony is looking ahead at that and jumping on it before anyone else. When the technology improves and 3D TVs become affordable and look amazing, Microsoft will have wished they had jumped on that early as well.

How do all these big time executives at Sony still have jobs? Why haven't they wiped the slate clean and started anew? That company needs to conduct some major layoffs, because their management and leadership is clearly out of touch with reality.

Then most recently, some hot shot at Sony comes out and says they want their next console to focus less on power and less on gaming, and they want to reach out to females? Lol, Sony, just stop, you're just making me sad now.

Oh how the mighty have fallen......

delta3074

I'm not completely absolving Sony, but to say it was all Sony's fault is pretty lame. Sony did have some fault of course, but no where near some people say.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

dream431ca

I'm not completely absolving Sony, but to say it was all Sony's fault is pretty lame. Sony did have some fault of course, but no where near some people say.

I assume you have a business degree, have owned one or several businesses, and have experience in running a multi billion dollar company?ispeakfact

TC is just pissed off.Cause Sony still making them stack's...Even if the company is in bad shape...

[QUOTE="ispeakfact"]I assume you have a business degree, have owned one or several businesses, and have experience in running a multi billion dollar company?johnlennon28

Or a game developer:P

and we have yet another troll, seriously how many threads have you done about the same in every forum

Krelian-co

poor drone doesn't want anyone to point out the obvious shortcomings of his beloved sony :cry:

yep they are a failure, DEal with it COWS

True. Despite flopping for the past several years they still haven't learned anything from their mistakes. If they don't get their act together they deserve to burn.

People can say what they want about Nintendo, but they sure know how to run a business. arkephonic

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]People can say what they want about Nintendo, but they sure know how to run a business. CajunShooter

Tell me something I don't know.

[QUOTE="CajunShooter"][QUOTE="arkephonic"]People can say what they want about Nintendo, but they sure know how to run a business. MFDOOM1983

Owned. :P

Nintendo, despite struggling big time, especially with the GameCube, still made alot of money.

and we have yet another troll, seriously how many threads have you done about the same in every forum

Krelian-co

Cow rule #245: If the thread in question accuses Sony of poor business practices with concrete examples, immediately discredit the topic creator as a troll in attempts to focus argument on the topic creator.

LOL Kevin butler is a clown just like Marcus and the psp squirls thats not good marketing good marketing is actually showing games which Kevin Butler doesn't really do either just talks about how amazing Sony is without giving any real proof. *oh and talks about holding a 3.5 lb gun controller 6 hours a day and playing that in Psuedo 3d wearing glasses* WilliamRLBaker

You may not like him, but he is effective.