Spencer Reiterates DX12 Will Not Bring Dramatic Boost to XB1

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Why are people suggesting that putting a new low level API on PS4 or Xboxone is going to result in gamechanging gains and massive performance increases?

The misinformation between so many members of system wars is at a high right now. We even have head of gaming divisions saying it won't.

You don't understand what the benchmarks are showing ..... To gauge the gains from the API you have to use lower resolutions. Because more stress is put on cpu since the gpu can process less data more quickly making the cpu have to feed more frame data to the gpu at a quicker rate. Thus showing if the cpu is strong enough to overcome the overheads and keep up with the gpu.

The fact that mantle sees gains at higher resolutions shows that there is cpu bottleneck because of the coding. Once we start seeing modern engines with native DX12/ Mantle support the gains will be much more.

Fact is that even a top tier cpu can nearly see a 10% increase in fps from a more efficient API even with a immature new API.

You cant ignore the moderate to massive gains AMD cpu see from Mantle and even DX12 which will in turn help the X1.

You are prob on that sight more than me. I'm am allowed to post there though.

I'm looking forward to that 0.5 % performance difference. Microsoft has always said that with each version of direct x games will deliver better performance and of course they rarely deliver.

I watch from a far like at the theatre while watching a pantomime, any closer and I'll start mutating into Kuu2 from the fumes.

uh oh..Hopes and dreams of millions of lems once against smashed, diminished and left out to die.

Man, lems cant catch a break,

ah that's brilliant, so it will improve from slow, to slow.

False, X1 is built from GCN which is not DX12 native. Also all Nvidia GTX 900 series is full DX12, MS and Nvidia worked together with the Maxwell architecture to make sure it was.

Yeah, don't mind me today either. I just on here rabble rousing. I am home sick with something I contracted in Chinatown and the boredom has already generated 9 hour porn sessions. Throw a damn snow storm on top of it and you have a recipe for self mutilation.

I'm gonna have to direct you to my alt account when you stomp my balls with facts like this.

didnt mean to stomp on them, just pointing out what was not true

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@04dcarraher: for the final time, the gains you see from mantle on i7s are from the slight gpu perf improvements mantle allows. this shit is so well documented its amazing that this conversation is even taking place. anyone running a 4 core or better modern intel chip will see very little benefit from dx12. if you were actually dumb enough to buy an amd cpu, then youll see some solid gains.

It was confirmed it wasn't a CPU problem but Ubisoft cash grab the real problem,the game frames were even impacted by network making call on the CPU,and considering how they lock the PS4 version into 900p on purpose that say quite allot about that broken game.

Hell it was even broken on PC.

@m3dude1:

That is current status quo with single player games, when game engines and the API become mature, and push cpu more like Unity with amount of Ai, the gains will be more. DX11 vs Mantle with BF4 MP can see upto 40% gain in fps even with an i7 and 7970ghz.

DX12 doesn't magically make XB1's hardware better. News at 11.

LOL...nope there are no 40% gains on an i7 in bf4 with mantle. and in unity even an i5 2500k has a minimum framerate of over 60 fps in cpu limited setups.

Say that to the near 40% average gain in BF4 64 MP with i7 4770k and 7970..... Heck even when AMD and Dice first came out with 1st release of drivers/API with Mantle for BF4 HardOCP seen a 20 fps gain with mantle at 1080p. with a overclocked i7 3770k and a 290x.

I used unity as an example of more cpu resources being used......where dx 12 can help alleviate cpu load from a more efficient graphics API, allowing more cpu cycles to go back into the cpu tasks that need the extra processing power.

Here is a benchmark with 64 MP at Ultra Details,Core i7-3770K, 16 GB DDR3-1333, Radeon R9 290X @ 1.000/2.500 MHz, Windows 8.1 x64, Catalyst 14.1 Beta

"The most obvious are the differences with a resolution of 1,280 x 720 pixels : Video card must be waiting on data from the processor, so the speed is increased by 78 percent. Particularly noteworthy is the minimum frame rate which is significantly higher than among Mantle vs Direct3D . This also means that users of Crossfire and 120 Hz screens , the Radeon Harnessed have been limited by the CPU , its performance can now take full advantage ."

@04dcarraher said:

@m3dude1 said:

@04dcarraher said:

@m3dude1:

That is current status quo with single player games, when game engines and the API become mature, and push cpu more like Unity with amount of Ai, the gains will be more. DX11 vs Mantle with BF4 MP can see upto 40% gain in fps even with an i7 and 7970ghz.

LOL...nope there are no 40% gains on an i7 in bf4 with mantle. and in unity even an i5 2500k has a minimum framerate of over 60 fps in cpu limited setups.

Say that to the near 40% average gain in BF4 64 MP with i7 4770k and 7970..... Heck even when AMD and Dice first came out with 1st release of drivers/API with Mantle for BF4 HardOCP seen a 20 fps gain with mantle at 1080p. with a overclocked i7 3770k and a 290x.

I used unity as an example of more cpu resources being used......where dx 12 can help alleviate cpu load from a more efficient graphics API, allowing more cpu cycles to go back into the cpu tasks that need the extra processing power.

Here is a benchmark with 64 MP at Ultra Details,Core i7-3770K, 16 GB DDR3-1333, Radeon R9 290X @ 1.000/2.500 MHz, Windows 8.1 x64, Catalyst 14.1 Beta

"The most obvious are the differences with a resolution of 1,280 x 720 pixels : Video card must be waiting on data from the processor, so the speed is increased by 78 percent. Particularly noteworthy is the minimum frame rate which is significantly higher than among Mantle vs Direct3D . This also means that users of Crossfire and 120 Hz screens , the Radeon Harnessed have been limited by the CPU , its performance can now take full advantage ."

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