Spore dev: "RTS' are PC games. FPS' are still PC games. The PC is where it'

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Spore dev: "RTS' are PC games. FPS' are still PC games. The PC is where it's at".

PC gaming is far from dead, according to the gameplay producer of upcoming evolution god-game Spore.

Speaking to VideoGamer.com in an interview, Spore gameplay producer Thomas Vu said that the things developer EA Maxis is doing with the game "would be very difficult to do on consoles if we started out on consoles".

While Spore was earlier this week confirmed for release on PC and Nintendo DS on September 7 2008, EA yesterday revealed that Spore would be coming to the Wii, Xbox 360 and PS3, although details are thin on the ground.

The team, however, remains focused on the PC version of the game, and believes concerns that PC gaming is dying, a feeling fuelled by poor sales of some recent high profile PC games like Unreal Tournament 3, are unfounded.

"PC games are the frontrunners," said Vu. "They innovate, they do the things that can't necessarily be done on the consoles. RTS are PC games. FPS are still PC games. Sure consoles have come a long way, with Halo and Call of Duty 4 - the console versions are pretty good, but at the same time, if you really want to be at the forefront of making really interesting new games, PC is where it's at, in my opinion."

Vu also denied that the PC gaming market was in trouble, pointing towards the success of MMO World of Warcraft and EA's own The Sims franchise as evidence of its rude health.

He said: "As for the market, it's (PC gaming) still growing but it's tracked in a very different way. Take for instance WoW. NPD doesn't track the $15 a month that I pay for WoW, but it tracks the amount of copies that WoW sells off the shelves. The verdict is still out. For us, if you make a good game people will come. As WoW did. Blizzard could have made a console MMO but they stuck with the PC and they have the biggest game both on console and PC in the world. And The Sims continues to sell, and Sim City continues to sell. And all the FPS do pretty well, RTS games do pretty well.

"Maybe one day the market will move in a different way. For now there's tonnes of PCs out there, there's lots of avid fans. And honestly, the things we're doing on Spore would be very difficult to do on consoles if we started out on consoles. Like the pollination stuff, social networking sites, the procedural animation, that stuff is not as easy to do on console. The RTS aspect - with a console controller you can't get the fidelity you get from a PC. So the PC is perfect for what we're trying to do."

Do you agree with Thomas? Is PC gaming where it's at? Let us know in the comments section below.

*downloads spore* yeah.ProductofChina

*downloads spore* yeah.ProductofChina

Legally I assume.

I didn't read the whole interview, but I don't have to.

These guys made ****ing Spore. They have no more credibility than any of the fanboys on System Wars. Three years of fail in the making.

I didn't read the whole interview, but I don't have to.

These guys made ****ing Spore. They have no more credibility than any of the fanboys on System Wars. Three years of fail in the making.

DeathScape666

This made me lol. Fanboys at thier finest. Yet when people say PC gaming is dying you all agree with them whole heartedly, when they say otherwise they aren't credible lulz!

P.S These people were also behind the Sims.

If a Spore dev says it then it must be true. d('.'d)

Seriously like he says "in my opinion", Pc is no longer the juggernaut it used to be .

If a Spore dev says it then it must be true. d('.'d)

Seriously like he says "in my opinion", Pc is no longer the juggernaut it used to be .

Ren_eko

And this is your opinion. Imo it still is the juggernaut.

[QUOTE="DeathScape666"]

I didn't read the whole interview, but I don't have to.

These guys made ****ing Spore. They have no more credibility than any of the fanboys on System Wars. Three years of fail in the making.

Espada12

This made me lol. Fanboys at thier finest. Yet when people say PC gaming is dying you all agree with them whole heartedly, when they say otherwise they aren't credible lulz!

Yeah, stop categorizing me as the people that say that PC gaming is dying. I'm not stupid... I mean, I'm not that stupid. I don't agree with Peter Molyneaux, or any other developer that says that.

I'm saying they aren't credible because they spent three years making a steaming pile of ****.

Yawn. Multiplats are where it's at. GTA IV, Dead Space, Fallout 3, Mirror's Edge (if the demo is any indication)... these are the best games I've played this year.

There are a couple killer apps that mandate keeping multiple platforms around (iRacing on PC, Rock Band 2 on consoles), but for the most part, you're not tied to PC or console gaming in order to enjoy the best games.

[QUOTE="ProductofChina"]*downloads spore* yeah.blackdreamhunk

you need a hack you're console first..which takes time and money

I didn't read the whole interview, but I don't have to.

These guys made ****ing Spore. They have no more credibility than any of the fanboys on System Wars. Three years of fail in the making.

DeathScape666

Wow..what?

They know about the industry, you dont

they know how to make games, you dont

Just becuase they made one game that "Disagreed" with you dosent mean the suddenly have no crediblity left in them...What there saying IS true..how can you discount this?, RTS/FPS are clearly better on PC..saying they have no crediblity is saying that you disagree with what there saying which is stupid.

No matter what kind of gruge you hold aganist maxis and spore (which i dont understand)..This is 100% FACT..and if you deny this..wow.

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="ProductofChina"]*downloads spore* yeah.lawlessx

you need a hack you're console first..which takes time and money

and breaks your warranty.

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="ProductofChina"]*downloads spore* yeah.lawlessx

you need a hack you're console first..which takes time and money

And? :S after you have do it once that's it, you can DL every game you want.

Someone should tell him the game he made is a huge disappoitment.

Yawn. Multiplats are where it's at. GTA IV, Dead Space, Fallout 3, Mirror's Edge (if the demo is any indication)... these are the best games I've played this year.

There are a couple killer apps that mandate keeping multiple platforms around (iRacing on PC, Rock Band 2 on consoles), but for the most part, you're not tied to PC or console gaming in order to enjoy the best games.

lowe0

I agree with you for the most part, PC does have a few more things coming to it that I prefer though.

Someone should tell him the game he made is a huge disappoitment.

RuprechtMonkey

What does this got to do what with he said?

[QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="DeathScape666"]

I didn't read the whole interview, but I don't have to.

These guys made ****ing Spore. They have no more credibility than any of the fanboys on System Wars. Three years of fail in the making.

DeathScape666

This made me lol. Fanboys at thier finest. Yet when people say PC gaming is dying you all agree with them whole heartedly, when they say otherwise they aren't credible lulz!

Yeah, stop categorizing me as the people that say that PC gaming is dying. I'm not stupid... I mean, I'm not that stupid. I don't agree with Peter Molyneaux, or any other developer that says that.

I'm saying they aren't credible because they spent three years making a steaming pile of ****.

A steaming pile of **** that was recieved well by critics and gamers alike, and sold very well.

Something doesn't add up.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="ProductofChina"]*downloads spore* yeah.Espada12

you need a hack you're console first..which takes time and money

And? :S after you have do it once that's it, you can DL every game you want.

my point was that it's much easier to do it on a PC than a console.

people act like this is new to consoles when it's been going on for years now..why now it's being talked about here is really beyond me.

[QUOTE="DeathScape666"]

I didn't read the whole interview, but I don't have to.

These guys made ****ing Spore. They have no more credibility than any of the fanboys on System Wars. Three years of fail in the making.

Pinkyimp

Wow..what?

They know about the industry, you dont

they know how to make games, you dont

Just becuase they made one game that "Disagreed" with you dosent mean the suddenly have no crediblity left in them...What there saying IS true..how can you discount this?, RTS/FPS are clearly better on PC..saying they have no crediblity is saying that you disagree with what there saying which is stupid.

No matter what kind of gruge you hold aganist maxis and spore (which i dont understand)..This is 100% FACT..and if you deny this..wow.

I didn't say they were wrong. I just said you shouldn't listen to them either way.

Also, double standards for the win? What about Peter Molyneaux and all those other developers that say PC gaming is dying? They know about the industry and how to make games, too. So why discredit them?

Keep your FPSs and RTSs for all I care. You guys only got one AA+ exclusive FPS this year, which was Crysis Warhead with a 9. Not much to brag about anymore, aside from superior controls and mods in FPSs games.

I think there was only one. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm right.

[QUOTE="Pinkyimp"][QUOTE="DeathScape666"]

I didn't read the whole interview, but I don't have to.

These guys made ****ing Spore. They have no more credibility than any of the fanboys on System Wars. Three years of fail in the making.

DeathScape666

Wow..what?

They know about the industry, you dont

they know how to make games, you dont

Just becuase they made one game that "Disagreed" with you dosent mean the suddenly have no crediblity left in them...What there saying IS true..how can you discount this?, RTS/FPS are clearly better on PC..saying they have no crediblity is saying that you disagree with what there saying which is stupid.

No matter what kind of gruge you hold aganist maxis and spore (which i dont understand)..This is 100% FACT..and if you deny this..wow.

I didn't say they were wrong. I just said you shouldn't listen to them either way.

Also, double standards for the win? What about Peter Molyneaux and all those other developers that say PC gaming is dying? They know about the industry and how to make games, too. So why discredit them?

Keep your FPSs and RTSs for all I care. You guys only got one AA+ exclusive FPS this year, which was Crysis Warhead with a 9. Not much to brag about anymore, aside from superior controls and mods in FPSs games.

I think there was only one. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm right.

[QUOTE="Pinkyimp"][QUOTE="DeathScape666"]

I didn't read the whole interview, but I don't have to.

These guys made ****ing Spore. They have no more credibility than any of the fanboys on System Wars. Three years of fail in the making.

DeathScape666

Wow..what?

They know about the industry, you dont

they know how to make games, you dont

Just becuase they made one game that "Disagreed" with you dosent mean the suddenly have no crediblity left in them...What there saying IS true..how can you discount this?, RTS/FPS are clearly better on PC..saying they have no crediblity is saying that you disagree with what there saying which is stupid.

No matter what kind of gruge you hold aganist maxis and spore (which i dont understand)..This is 100% FACT..and if you deny this..wow.

I didn't say they were wrong. I just said you shouldn't listen to them either way.

Also, double standards for the win? What about Peter Molyneaux and all those other developers that say PC gaming is dying? They know about the industry and how to make games, too. So why discredit them?

Because there POS games failed on PC..same with epic, as soon as UT3 flopped hard, out came the "PC gaminz is teh dissarzy, consolez is where its atz!!!", and monyneau is a irrevelant devloper..he faded into the shadows after Fable 1, nobody cares about his opinion anymore.its like me saying "Nintendo games are the crapz" when i made 6 nintendo games that all flopped..and now im sour because of that

Keep your FPSs and RTSs for all I care. You guys only got one AA+ exclusive FPS this year, which was Crysis Warhead with a 9. Not much to brag about anymore, aside from superior controls and mods in FPSs games.

Good i will, We have some of the best games this gen, and superior versions of games other systems already get..ill be fine with my RTS's as well, sense they blow almost every game in 09 outta the water, SC2, Empire, Dawn of war anybody?,and even if our FPS's arent exclusive..there much better on PC.

I think there was only one. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm right.

Well cant argue here.

Not anymore, RTS' are going the way FPS' did 8 years ago.

Theres really only one 'front runner' on the PC and thats Crysis if your talking about computer hardware, every other game can be played at maximum detail with a 3 year old graphics card. If your talking about creativity, I don't see what a processor has to do with me being creative.

too bad overbearing DRM is killing PC games.shaggygrosser

DRM is complete BS..and these supersticious devlopers need to get over themselves..your game is not the second coming..so stop protecting it with this bunch of BS that hinders real paying coustomers.

DRM, while tolorable, is not needed, But that being said its not KILLING PC gaming, its just a hurdel that we just need to jump over to get to the good game.

Not anymore, RTS' are going the way FPS' did 8 years ago.

Theres really only one 'front runner' on the PC and thats Crysis if your talking about computer hardware, every other game can be played at maximum detail with a 3 year old graphics card. If your talking about creativity, I don't see what a processor has to do with me being creative.

Pro_wrestler

Not anymore, RTS' are going the way FPS' did 8 years ago.

Theres really only one 'front runner' on the PC and thats Crysis if your talking about computer hardware, every other game can be played at maximum detail with a 3 year old graphics card. If your talking about creativity, I don't see what a processor has to do with me being creative.

Pro_wrestler

I will always argue against this because here's the thing, no matter how well you do a RTS on consoles control scheme is always going to hold it back. No matter how well you do it. Unless we start going back to stone age RTS.

*Text about developers and PC gaming.* Pinkyimp

So you're discrediting Molyneaux because you didn't like his games? I'm doing the same with the Spore developers.

In my opinion, FPSs are superior on PC unless they have slitscreen multiplayer. I think Call of Duty 4 is better on consoles because of splitscreen multiplayer.

As for your second argument: I won't argue your opinion. Have fun with those games. I'll be playing games that, in my opinion, are much better.

[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]

Someone should tell him the game he made is a huge disappoitment.

Espada12

What does this got to do what with he said?

Because I usually treat an opinion as credible as its source.

Valve I listen to.

These guys, the people who spent so much time conjuring up such a let down, I have trouble taking seriously. It's hard to believe they know so much about the "true" state of the gaming industry when they theselves weren't able to make a better game. Perhaps he doesn't know as much as he thinks he knows.

[QUOTE="Pinkyimp"] *Text about developers and PC gaming.* DeathScape666

So you're discrediting Molyneaux because you didn't like his games? I'm doing the same with the Spore developers.

In my opinion, FPSs are superior on PC unless they have slitscreen multiplayer. I think Call of Duty 4 is better on consoles because of splitscreen multiplayer.

As for your second argument: I won't argue your opinion. Have fun with those games. I'll be playing games that, in my opinion, are much better.

Im not saying i dont like his games..

#1:What im saying is they sold Really bad on PC..mostly because of crappy marketing, and the game just overall faded into the shadows., same with epic, UT3 was horrible and sold bad on PC, and ever sense that happend they have rode the "Console" Train for now, and so far every PC gamer could care less about epic (still looking foward to gears 2 though)

#2: Splitscreen is personal choice..while i do like splitscreen, its taken a backseat to online gaming.

#3: Great...Have fun!

Not anymore, RTS' are going the way FPS' did 8 years ago.

Theres really only one 'front runner' on the PC and thats Crysis if your talking about computer hardware, every other game can be played at maximum detail with a 3 year old graphics card. If your talking about creativity, I don't see what a processor has to do with me being creative.

Pro_wrestler

And the other part is flawed. World in Conflict, Medieval 2: Total War, and Company of Heroes are games that can give your hardware a workout even with a current gaming PC. 3 year old graphics cards would have a lot of trouble and there are other games that I can mention considering this.

[QUOTE="Pinkyimp"] *Text about developers and PC gaming.* DeathScape666

So you're discrediting Molyneaux because you didn't like his games? I'm doing the same with the Spore developers.

In my opinion, FPSs are superior on PC unless they have slitscreen multiplayer. I think Call of Duty 4 is better on consoles because of splitscreen multiplayer.

As for your second argument: I won't argue your opinion. Have fun with those games. I'll be playing games that, in my opinion, are much better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMfTR8PBrsE

[QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]

Someone should tell him the game he made is a huge disappoitment.

RuprechtMonkey

What does this got to do what with he said?

Because I usually treat an opinion as credible as its source.

Valve I listen to.

These guys, the people who spent so much time conjuring up such a let down, I have trouble taking seriously. It's hard to believe they know so much about the "true" state of the gaming industry when they theselves weren't able to make a better game. Perhaps he doesn't know as much as he thinks he knows.

You forget they make the sims right?

[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"][QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]

Someone should tell him the game he made is a huge disappoitment.

Espada12

What does this got to do what with he said?

Because I usually treat an opinion as credible as its source.

Valve I listen to.

These guys, the people who spent so much time conjuring up such a let down, I have trouble taking seriously. It's hard to believe they know so much about the "true" state of the gaming industry when they theselves weren't able to make a better game. Perhaps he doesn't know as much as he thinks he knows.

You forget they make the sims right?

No, I didn't.

The SIMS bores me out of my skull.

I don't "get it," at all.

I don't really agree about the fps and innovation. I'd say by now console and pc fps are on par. Sure, the newest pc's can generate even better graphics, but does that mean that pc is the leader in fps? Also console fps are as influential as pc fps. If this weren't true, then why have fps started playing more and more like halo CE in the past 5 years? Console fps are winning ground every day on pc fps, and in the end, it's very probably that console fps will have overtaken pc.

Another point is that pc fps devs don't really use the power of pc to innovate too much. While there's some gems like garry's mod and stalker, most of the pc power goes towards slightly more advanced physics and graphics.

I don't think pc gaming is dying or anything, but first person shooters aren't a pc genre anymore.

You don't see games like this on console

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY-NSNhgydY

how about the best shooter out right now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyQTCeobZlg

crysis and sins of the solar empire.

[QUOTE="DeathScape666"]

[QUOTE="Pinkyimp"] *Text about developers and PC gaming.* Pinkyimp

So you're discrediting Molyneaux because you didn't like his games? I'm doing the same with the Spore developers.

In my opinion, FPSs are superior on PC unless they have slitscreen multiplayer. I think Call of Duty 4 is better on consoles because of splitscreen multiplayer.

As for your second argument: I won't argue your opinion. Have fun with those games. I'll be playing games that, in my opinion, are much better.

Im not saying i dont like his games..

#1:What im saying is they sold Really bad on PC..mostly because of crappy marketing, and the game just overall faded into the shadows., same with epic, UT3 was horrible and sold bad on PC, and ever sense that happend they have rode the "Console" Train for now, and so far every PC gamer could care less about epic (still looking foward to gears 2 though)

#2: Splitscreen is personal choice..while i do like splitscreen, its taken a backseat to online gaming.

#3: Great...Have fun!

1. Fair enough. I see now why you would discredit them. I also have my own reasons for discrediting other people.

2. I think split-screen multiplayer is MUCH better than online play. I never play online. I'm sixteen years old, though, so it may be more convient for me to go over to peoples' houses to play games than an older person. But for me, I'm always at my friend's house playing Call of Duty 4 splitscreen and Super Smash Brothers Brawl. PC just doesn't make that possible. One of my favorite parts of gaming is the social aspect. That's what the Wii is about, even though it does incoporate online play.

But c'mon. I really don't have any interest in playing any game online. I never tried Brawl online, except for against my friends. That's it. I always either play it with my friends or brother and sisters.

But if online play is more convient for you, or you just can't find anyone in real life to play with, then I understand.

3. I will. I'm sure you will, too. ;)

I don't really agree about the fps and innovation. I'd say by now console and pc fps are on par. Sure, the newest pc's can generate even better graphics, but does that mean that pc is the leader in fps? Also console fps are as influential as pc fps. If this weren't true, then why have fps started playing more and more like halo CE in the past 5 years? Console fps are winning ground every day on pc fps, and in the end, it's very probably that console fps will have overtaken pc.

Another point is that pc fps devs don't really use the power of pc to innovate too much. While there's some gems like garry's mod and stalker, most of the pc power goes towards slightly more advanced physics and graphics.

I don't think pc gaming is dying or anything, but first person shooters aren't a pc genre anymore.

11Marcel

PC is the leader in FPS since the best way to play FPS is with a mouse. Tons of professional gaming leagues and clans exist for FPS games which compete against each other. I understand there is gaming leagues for games but only for some such as Halo.

While PC gamers still compete against each other in Counterstrike, original COD series, battlefield, etc.

So yeah in my opinion and a tons of other's opinion, FPS reigns supreme on PCs.

[QUOTE="11Marcel"]

I don't really agree about the fps and innovation. I'd say by now console and pc fps are on par. Sure, the newest pc's can generate even better graphics, but does that mean that pc is the leader in fps? Also console fps are as influential as pc fps. If this weren't true, then why have fps started playing more and more like halo CE in the past 5 years? Console fps are winning ground every day on pc fps, and in the end, it's very probably that console fps will have overtaken pc.

Another point is that pc fps devs don't really use the power of pc to innovate too much. While there's some gems like garry's mod and stalker, most of the pc power goes towards slightly more advanced physics and graphics.

I don't think pc gaming is dying or anything, but first person shooters aren't a pc genre anymore.

bladeeagle

PC is the leader in FPS since the best way to play FPS is with a mouse. Tons of professional gaming leagues and clans exist for FPS games which compete against each other. I understand there is gaming leagues for games but only for some such as Halo.

While PC gamers still compete against each other in Counterstrike, original COD series, battlefield, etc.

So yeah in my opinion and a tons of other's opinion, FPS reigns supreme on PCs.

Ofcourse they do, but it's not like it's impossible to play a console FPS or even RTS.

I don't really agree about the fps and innovation. I'd say by now console and pc fps are on par. Sure, the newest pc's can generate even better graphics, but does that mean that pc is the leader in fps? Also console fps are as influential as pc fps. If this weren't true, then why have fps started playing more and more like halo CE in the past 5 years? Console fps are winning ground every day on pc fps, and in the end, it's very probably that console fps will have overtaken pc.

Another point is that pc fps devs don't really use the power of pc to innovate too much. While there's some gems like garry's mod and stalker, most of the pc power goes towards slightly more advanced physics and graphics.

I don't think pc gaming is dying or anything, but first person shooters aren't a pc genre anymore.

11Marcel

Nope..still are. and in one word ill sum up my entire reason why PC fps's are getting better and better than Console FPS's..

STALKER.

This is where the FPS genre is headed, and so far it seems to be a PC only thing, Games like Stalker/crysis are pushing a "No boundaries" types of style, where you can choose to make your own path instead of fallowing some generic hallway, there also pushing the fact that its competly free roam, you can do what ever you want in a given path, games like Halo/CoD cant even compete with Next gen FPS games.

Consoles FPS's will NEVER overtake PC FPS's and you can quote me on that one. not only that but the best FPS's this Gen (The orange box) are vastly superiour on PC, with updates, mods, and great amount of player its an awesome bundel, even the best Newcomer FPS game portal kick the crap out of halo because it provides somthing new.

RTS, FPS, WRPG, Sims, MMO's, and Shooters will always have there place on PC over consoles.