square enix is dumb

its not that i have a problem with there games or anything (ive actually never really played one of there games for very long) its just that final fantasy and dragon quest games are the only games they make. Recently in nintendo power they had an article about the upcoming wii and ds games from squeenix, there were about 10. Every single one of those games except for "its a wonderful world" was a final fantasy or dragon quest game. If i worked there i would be tired of making games in those series and just want to make something original for a change. They make so many spinnoffs and crap that if they continue like this there will be just as many final fantasy and dragon quest games as there are mario games. Does anyone else agree with me and think they should try something original for a change.

its not that i dont likei have a problem with there games or anything (ive actually never really played one of there games for very long) its just that final fantasy and dragon quest games are the only games they make. Recently in nintendo power they had an article about the upcoming wii and ds games from squeenix, there were about 10. Every single one of those games except for "its a wonderful world" was a final fantasy or dragon quest game. If i worked there i would be tired of making games in those series and just want to make something original for a change. They make so many spinnoffs and crap that if they continue like this there will be just as many final fantasy and dragon quest games as there are mario games. Does anyone else agree with me and think they should try something original for a change.

darthblob10

The bold text killed your whole argument.

No final fantasy games are alike so I consider those new games.

btw ever heard of last remnant?

its not that i have a problem with there games or anything (ive actually never really played one of there games for very long) its just that final fantasy and dragon quest games are the only games they make. Recently in nintendo power they had an article about the upcoming wii and ds games from squeenix, there were about 10. Every single one of those games except for "its a wonderful world" was a final fantasy or dragon quest game. If i worked there i would be tired of making games in those series and just want to make something original for a change. They make so many spinnoffs and crap that if they continue like this there will be just as many final fantasy and dragon quest games as there are mario games. Does anyone else agree with me and think they should try something original for a change.

darthblob10

Mana Series, mario 3 on 3, project sylpheed.

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its not that i dont likei have a problem with there games or anything (ive actually never really played one of there games for very long) its just that final fantasy and dragon quest games are the only games they make. Recently in nintendo power they had an article about the upcoming wii and ds games from squeenix, there were about 10. Every single one of those games except for "its a wonderful world" was a final fantasy or dragon quest game. If i worked there i would be tired of making games in those series and just want to make something original for a change. They make so many spinnoffs and crap that if they continue like this there will be just as many final fantasy and dragon quest games as there are mario games. Does anyone else agree with me and think they should try something original for a change.

IbukiNinja

The bold text killed your whole argument.

as long as they support the Ds they wont fail. The DS is the most lucrative machine since the PS2NorthlandMan

its not that i have a problem with there games or anything (ive actually never really played one of there games for very long) its just that final fantasy and dragon quest games are the only games they make. Recently in nintendo power they had an article about the upcoming wii and ds games from squeenix, there were about 10. Every single one of those games except for "its a wonderful world" was a final fantasy or dragon quest game. If i worked there i would be tired of making games in those series and just want to make something original for a change. They make so many spinnoffs and crap that if they continue like this there will be just as many final fantasy and dragon quest games as there are mario games. Does anyone else agree with me and think they should try something original for a change.

darthblob10

I disagree with you because, you said they make crap games and spinoffs.

Dumb? No. A pale shadow of what they once were? Yes.Verge_6

FF12 and 13 says they improved:)

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Dumb? No. A pale shadow of what they once were? Yes.gogeta242

FF12 and 13 says they improved:)

FF 12 was meh.

I don't know, Square-Enix seems inflexible about finding a middle ground between "it's a final fantasy, the level up and stat system will make you cringe and beg for FF6 back..." and "it's crystal chronicles, we thought not being able to walk around freely would make the game more fun".

Actually wait, I think I've just hit on something... Square-Enix basically enjoys putting sadistic gameplay elements into games. What's the middle ground between pointless complexity and cruel simplicity?

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Dumb? No. A pale shadow of what they once were? Yes.gogeta242

FF12 and 13 says they improved:)

XIII isn't out yet, and XII has garnered far too many skeptical reviews for it to be considered an improvment

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[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Dumb? No. A pale shadow of what they once were? Yes.xjet039

FF12 and 13 says they improved:)

FF 12 was meh.

I rest my case.

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[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Dumb? No. A pale shadow of what they once were? Yes.Verge_6

FF12 and 13 says they improved:)

XIII isn't out yet, and XII has garnered far too many skeptical reviews for it to be considered an improvment

because it went in a different direction than the traditional final fantasy, but IMO, the change was great:D

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[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Dumb? No. A pale shadow of what they once were? Yes.xjet039

FF12 and 13 says they improved:)

FF 12 was meh.

To each his own

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[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Dumb? No. A pale shadow of what they once were? Yes.xjet039

FF12 and 13 says they improved:)

FF 12 was meh.

British and Scottish accents were cool, but I agree it wasn't as good as X.

[QUOTE="xjet039"][QUOTE="gogeta242"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Dumb? No. A pale shadow of what they once were? Yes.Verge_6

FF12 and 13 says they improved:)

FF 12 was meh.

I rest my case.

How can you rest your case on what one person says:|, there was a lot of gamers and reviewers who loved the game.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="xjet039"][QUOTE="gogeta242"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Dumb? No. A pale shadow of what they once were? Yes.gogeta242

FF12 and 13 says they improved:)

FF 12 was meh.

I rest my case.

How can you rest your case on what one person says:|, there was a lot of gamers and reviewers who loved the game.

And there are an equal number who thought it was pretty average.

I do remember a day when you looked back at Squaresoft and saw one Final Fantasy game that was hotly anticipated, and about 20 other games that weren't as anticipated, but still released to critical acclaim.

Nowadays, I see about 8 Final Fantasy games, 3 Dragon Quest games, and Last Remnant...I'm sure there are more, but Square's too busy promoting Final Fantasy to get those other titles into the public's eye.

actually all Final Fantasy's are basically different games with different stories and characters and all.

and the same as Mario games. just because they have a great fanchise doesn't mean they keep making the same games over and over again.

If it aint broke, don't fix it.

Besides, Square-Enix owns Quest, who made Ogre Battle 64. There's one franchise they could make a sequal to.

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[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Dumb? No. A pale shadow of what they once were? Yes.xjet039

FF12 and 13 says they improved:)

FF 12 was meh.

"A pale shadow of what they once were". That's exactly how I would put it when it comes to Square and the FF series.

Final Fantasy 12 while looked great wasn't one of their best offerings I felt. The combat system while interesting felt like it was a better idea on paper then in actual presentation. Final Fantasy X was a better offering then Final Fantasy 12 and really I'm not that huge of a FFX fan. I only really enjoyed FF12 due to it's world setting which connects it with Final Fantasy Tactics series of games.

True FF and DQ aren't the only games they make they do make up a bulk of them. While each FF game is different, have been playing FF since FF1 on the NES, they are still very similar after a while. For all the changes between the games there are still a lot that is kept in to make the games "Final Fantasy" games and not come off as generic rpg or Final Fantasy in name only. There is more to a Final Fantasy game then simply being called one. The similarities between the games is what makes you a fan of the series I think, you know what you are getting into as each new game comes out. Still I don't think Square or the games are as great as they used to be.

I think, at least for me, the change came when they started turning away from the fantasy elements of the series and started embracing more scifi settings. Now I love scifi settings however that's why I liked their other series more. Xenogears for example was great because it was so different from Final Fantasy in terms of tone, elements, etc. Not making a sequel when they had the chance was a big mistake I felt on their part. Square I think is forgetting one key part of the franchise, the fantasy in Final Fantasy. Honestly I don't even think FF13 should be called a Final Fantasy game just going by a pure visual opinion of the game. Storywise, what it also sounds like it shouldn't be called it. I'd feel much better about the whole thing if it and it's spin offs were a new IP cause it's sounding like FF in name which is a problem. Lord knows they need a new one.

Like everything there is a rise and fall and I think Square needs to have a big fall before it becomes great again. Nintendo had its and that was also in part due to the crap Square themselves pulled when it came to other developers when they jumped to Sony which directly affected their 3rd party support on the N64. Which I think might happen to a degree due to the sales of the PS3. They will be hurting a lot due to these new games if they don't sell extremely well.

No final fantasy games are alike so I consider those new games.

btw ever heard of last remnant?

Armored_cell

I really want to see a Vagrant Story sequel. :?foxhound_fox

2nded

its not that i have a problem with there games or anything (ive actually never really played one of there games for very long) its just that final fantasy and dragon quest games are the only games they make. Recently in nintendo power they had an article about the upcoming wii and ds games from squeenix, there were about 10. Every single one of those games except for "its a wonderful world" was a final fantasy or dragon quest game. If i worked there i would be tired of making games in those series and just want to make something original for a change. They make so many spinnoffs and crap that if they continue like this there will be just as many final fantasy and dragon quest games as there are mario games. Does anyone else agree with me and think they should try something original for a change.

darthblob10

lol, kind of reminds me of Nintendo. Every other game is a mario game. Funny how that works.....you have a big franchise, you exploit for everything that it's worth. What is there Mario Party, Mario Galaxies, mario fighting, Mario bowling, Mario Golf, Mario Soccer, Paper Mario, ect..... Heck I just saw a new one releasing in Nov, Mario olympics.

Point is, ifsomeone has a tremendous franchise.......they are going to milk it for everything they can.

TC you're sooooo right, I meaan you'd have thought by final fantasy 9 they would have gotten tired of making games about Tidus and Yuna but then they made X and XII. and now tidus and yuna are back in XIII.

Seriously if i was tetsuya nomura's boss he'd be sooooo fired. Who makes a linearINTERCONNECTED series that goes all the way up to XIII and beyond with the same characters and same story. If i was them i would makeeach final fantasy have a different set of characters and different storylines so it'd be fresh each time.

Oh and i'd change thegameplay as well so it doesnt get boring. lastly i'd getrid of the silly random encounters they've had even in 12 and make itso you could see the enemies. i'd also introduce a revolutionary camera system andpack tons moreaction in the battles for the XIII and XIII versus.

my 2 cents.

i hope my post makes as much sense as your's TC :)

If it aint broke, don't fix it. Tylendal

change before you have to. SE needs to do other things. zelda wasnt broke yet TP wasnt well recieved with everyone was it? they didnt bother to change it for too long now theres a higher percentage of fans who were disappointed.

in a different direction than the traditional final fantasy, but IMO, the change was great:Dgogeta242

Hello Ondore.

you know they canmake more of the ps2 right?Tnasty11

For some reason no-one is making games for the GBA or Ps2 any more even though they pwn in sales and market share. It's a shame but if the're going to make games for one system i'd prefer the DS. Best system out imho

oh gawd how i h8 FF12.... they SE rly messed up on that one;)

but no matter FFX, FFVII and FFIX are cool! dunno bout FFXIII....

Why do people assume Final Fantasy is the same game with sequels or something? Every game (in the main series at least) is unique; new battle system, new character cast, new story, new location, etc. The only thing that really stays the same is the fact that it's a JRPG style. And even that is slowly changing as SE experiments with new styles of gameplay in their titles. I think SE has done a great job of making each new FF different and unique from past FF's.
tskeeve

QFT

just look at FFX AND FF12 and compare those two.