StarCraft 2 not exclusive?

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

If its the operating system that determines if its a whole new platform, then doesnt that make every PS2 game multiplatform since the PS3 can play them? it is running on two different platforms, isnt it?

ianuilliam

The PS3 emulates the PS2 platform. The API is the same otherwise it wouldn't work.

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

If its the operating system that determines if its a whole new platform, then doesnt that make every PS2 game multiplatform since the PS3 can play them? it is running on two different platforms, isnt it?

thecapsaicinkid

The PS3 emulates the PS2 platform. The API is the same otherwise it wouldn't work.

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

If its the operating system that determines if its a whole new platform, then doesnt that make every PS2 game multiplatform since the PS3 can play them? it is running on two different platforms, isnt it?

ianuilliam

Actually if you buy the game from a DD service you dont have to rebuy the game for the other platform unlike lets say you buy COD MW2 on PS3 you have to rebuy it on 360adamosmaki

Great point, now watch how everyone will ignore it.

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]Actually if you buy the game from a DD service you dont have to rebuy the game for the other platform unlike lets say you buy COD MW2 on PS3 you have to rebuy it on 360CAPSROGUE

Great point, now watch everyone ignore it.

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]Actually if you buy the game from a DD service you dont have to rebuy the game for the other platform unlike lets say you buy COD MW2 on PS3 you have to rebuy it on 360CAPSROGUE

Great point, now watch how everyone will ignore it.

It probably needs to update to work on the Mac, but its still not exclusive. why wont all games work on the Mac if I download them on my PC?

Its not Windows exclusive. but it is PC exclusive

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[QUOTE="XaosII"]

If its the operating system that determines if its a whole new platform, then doesnt that make every PS2 game multiplatform since the PS3 can play them? it is running on two different platforms, isnt it?

ianuilliam

Then stuff gets even fuzzier. Starcraft 2 is sold with both versions on the same disk. Its in one box and one disk. If the case is the matter of the medium, then digital distribution copies are running on a seperate platform arent they?

If the distinction is made based on software platform as well, then Steam, Impulse, OnLive, Direct2Drive, and others run their own software platforms coinciding with the game. Should they each count as a seperate, non exclusive copy? What about OnLive's mini console? Does that suddenly make every game listed on their service as non-exclusive?

I think the real question to ask from this: At what point does the distinction matter? I think thats ultimately what we are debating.

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

If its the operating system that determines if its a whole new platform, then doesnt that make every PS2 game multiplatform since the PS3 can play them? it is running on two different platforms, isnt it?

adamosmaki

What I find funny is that none of the console only players will be able to play Starcraft 2, so now they are trying to argue it isn't "exclusive" in this stupid place called System Wars :D Unless of course they all play it on their Macs, which they payed the price for 2 gaming PCs for :lol:General_X

lets not forget that there is some places that require a Mac. everyone has a PC so if they wanted to they could play starcraft 2

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

Mac is a PC,a point that is proven by the fact that you can install a partition of windows on it. Can you do the same with PS3 and Xbox 360? No! Point proven.

Macs Running Windows

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkp0WGUR6Qo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0N3CVb5yMI

Two videos of Crysis running on Macs using a Windows OS.

Ninja-Hippo

Did you not just ignore my argument though in favor of a more preferable one? I'll repeat it again; Windows and OS X are two different, competing platforms with different software exclusive to each. How does that NOT make anything which spans both platforms multiplat?

Ok, so what's a Mac? A Console? A car? :|

What I find funny is that none of the console only players will be able to play Starcraft 2, so now they are trying to argue it isn't "exclusive" in this stupid place called System Wars :D Unless of course they all play it on their Macs, which they payed the price for 2 gaming PCs for :lol:General_X

Ok, so what's a Mac? A Console? A car? :|

WhenCicadasCry

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

Ok, so what's a Mac? A Console? A car? :|

Ninja-Hippo

A... personal computer? :o

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

If its the operating system that determines if its a whole new platform, then doesnt that make every PS2 game multiplatform since the PS3 can play them? it is running on two different platforms, isnt it?

XaosII

Then stuff gets even fuzzier. Starcraft 2 is sold with both versions on the same disk. Its in one box and one disk. If the case is the matter of the medium, then digital distribution copies are running on a seperate platform arent they?

If the distinction is made based on software platform as well, then Steam, Impulse, OnLive, Direct2Drive, and others run their own software platforms coinciding with the game. Should they each count as a seperate, non exclusive copy? What about OnLive's mini console? Does that suddenly make every game listed on their service as non-exclusive?

I think the real question to ask from this: At what point does the distinction matter? I think thats ultimately what we are debating.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

Ok, so what's a Mac? A Console? A car? :|

WhenCicadasCry

A... personal computer? :o

A... personal computer? :o

WhenCicadasCry

"Mac and PC are the same thing - they're both computers!"

"Xbox and playstation are the same thing - they're both consoles!"

When it comes to PCs, the platform is defined by the OS. Windows is a platform. OS X is a platform. The box you run either of them on is irrelevant. Everyone has different computers of different brands and builds.

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

A... personal computer? :o

Ninja-Hippo

"Mac and PC are the same thing - they're both computers!"

"Xbox and playstation are the same thing - they're both consoles!"

When it comes to PCs, the platform is defined by the OS. Windows is a platform. OS X is a platform. The box you run either of them on is irrelevant. Everyone has different computers of different brands and builds.

Its PC exclusive

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

A... personal computer? :o

Ninja-Hippo

"Mac and PC are the same thing - they're both computers!"

"Xbox and playstation are the same thing - they're both consoles!"

When it comes to PCs, the platform is defined by the OS. Windows is a platform. OS X is a platform. The box you run either of them on is irrelevant. Everyone has different computers of different brands and builds.

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

A... personal computer? :o

Ninja-Hippo

"Mac and PC are the same thing - they're both computers!"

"Xbox and playstation are the same thing - they're both consoles!"

When it comes to PCs, the platform is defined by the OS. Windows is a platform. OS X is a platform. The box you run either of them on is irrelevant. Everyone has different computers of different brands and builds.

yup its like saying are cars are the same, and all phones r the same

No one ever claimed Starcraft is Windows exclusive.

Its PC exclusive

toast_burner

PC stands for personal computer...
OS stands for operating system...
Mac OS and Windows are operating systems. So no, StarCraft 2 is a PC exclusive.

By your logic, no game on the Xbox 360 is exclusive, because the Xbox 360 has 2 operating systems (Blades and The New Xbox Experience)

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

A... personal computer? :o

Arach666

"Mac and PC are the same thing - they're both computers!"

"Xbox and playstation are the same thing - they're both consoles!"

When it comes to PCs, the platform is defined by the OS. Windows is a platform. OS X is a platform. The box you run either of them on is irrelevant. Everyone has different computers of different brands and builds.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

A... personal computer? :o

Arach666

"Mac and PC are the same thing - they're both computers!"

"Xbox and playstation are the same thing - they're both consoles!"

When it comes to PCs, the platform is defined by the OS. Windows is a platform. OS X is a platform. The box you run either of them on is irrelevant. Everyone has different computers of different brands and builds.

PC stands for personal computer...
OS stands for operating system...
Mac OS and Windows are operating systems. So no, StarCraft 2 is a PC exclusive.

By your logic, no game on the Xbox 360 is exclusive, because the Xbox 360 has 2 operating systems (Blades and The New Xbox Experience)

chaplainDMK

[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] You're arguing in circles. We've been over this. If you're defining a platform by the type of machine that it is, then that exact same logic clearly falls apart when applied to Xbox 360 and PS3.

"Mac and PC are the same thing - they're both computers!"

"Xbox and playstation are the same thing - they're both consoles!"

When it comes to PCs, the platform is defined by the OS. Windows is a platform. OS X is a platform. The box you run either of them on is irrelevant. Everyone has different computers of different brands and builds.

ianuilliam

Macs don't emulate Windows, they run it without any modifications.General_X

[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] You're arguing in circles. We've been over this. If you're defining a platform by the type of machine that it is, then that exact same logic clearly falls apart when applied to Xbox 360 and PS3.

"Mac and PC are the same thing - they're both computers!"

"Xbox and playstation are the same thing - they're both consoles!"

When it comes to PCs, the platform is defined by the OS. Windows is a platform. OS X is a platform. The box you run either of them on is irrelevant. Everyone has different computers of different brands and builds.

Ninja-Hippo

So by your logic no game is actualy PS3 exclusive, but its infact Cross Media Bar exclusive? And by your logic no game on the Xbox 360 is exclusive because like i said, the Xbox 360 has 2 operating systems.

This isn't OS wars its System wars.

360, PS3 and Wii aren't OS's yet we still talk about them (PC isn't an OS either)

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]

PC stands for personal computer...
OS stands for operating system...
Mac OS and Windows are operating systems. So no, StarCraft 2 is a PC exclusive.

By your logic, no game on the Xbox 360 is exclusive, because the Xbox 360 has 2 operating systems (Blades and The New Xbox Experience)

Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="ianuilliam"]But ps2 games aren't sold in two different boxes, one that says PS2, and one that says BC PS3s. The argument that windows and mac are different platforms is that there are two different versions of the game being sold, one for each platform, hence the game is on multiple platforms.

ianuilliam

No they both are PC's. You can have your games work on MACs if you install windows on them which is legal and it can be done

Is lets say a Dell with Linux different platform from HP with Windows? NO BOTH ARE PC's ( personal computer ). If we were talking back when Apple was using power pc architecture i could see you were having a point but now MAC's use the same hardware the same x86 instruction set. All that differentiates MACS from lets say a Dell with Windows is that MAC logo and a couple of hundred dollars more for the EXACT same hardware

and dont tell me that by my logic then 360 and PS3 are the same because they are videogame consoles because you cant i repeat you CANT install PS3 firmware or vice versa on 360 and play PS3 games on the 360.

Hence a MAC its a PC and we are in a place its called SYSTEM WARS not OPERATING SYSTEM WARS ( actually there is a place like that )

PC stands for personal computer...
OS stands for operating system...
Mac OS and Windows are operating systems. So no, StarCraft 2 is a PC exclusive.

By your logic, no game on the Xbox 360 is exclusive, because the Xbox 360 has 2 operating systems (Blades and The New Xbox Experience)

chaplainDMK

PC (personal computer) is not a platform. There are windows PCs, MacOS pcs, even consoles are a type of pc. The NES was called the "Family Computer", or Famicom, in Japan.

When people talk about PC as a platform, it's just because "PC" is shorter than "Windows-based PC". Calling SC2 a "pc exclusive" would be like calling a game that is on 360 & PS3, but NOT on Windows or Mac, a "console exclusive". (Which is actually a more accurate use of the term than when people use it to describe games on Windows and 360...)

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]

PC stands for personal computer...
OS stands for operating system...
Mac OS and Windows are operating systems. So no, StarCraft 2 is a PC exclusive.

By your logic, no game on the Xbox 360 is exclusive, because the Xbox 360 has 2 operating systems (Blades and The New Xbox Experience)

ianuilliam

PC (personal computer) is not a platform. There are windows PCs, MacOS pcs, even consoles are a type of pc. The NES was called the "Family Computer", or Famicom, in Japan.

When people talk about PC as a platform, it's just because "PC" is shorter than "Windows-based PC". Calling SC2 a "pc exclusive" would be like calling a game that is on 360 & PS3, but NOT on Windows or Mac, a "console exclusive". (Which is actually a more accurate use of the term than when people use it to describe games on Windows and 360...)

Mac is a personal computer :|

I really don't understand what is so difficult about this to understand. If you look up the term Personal Computer( PC) you'll find Mac fits under its definition.

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]

PC stands for personal computer...
OS stands for operating system...
Mac OS and Windows are operating systems. So no, StarCraft 2 is a PC exclusive.

By your logic, no game on the Xbox 360 is exclusive, because the Xbox 360 has 2 operating systems (Blades and The New Xbox Experience)

ianuilliam

PC (personal computer) is not a platform. There are windows PCs, MacOS pcs, even consoles are a type of pc. The NES was called the "Family Computer", or Famicom, in Japan.

When people talk about PC as a platform, it's just because "PC" is shorter than "Windows-based PC". Calling SC2 a "pc exclusive" would be like calling a game that is on 360 & PS3, but NOT on Windows or Mac, a "console exclusive". (Which is actually a more accurate use of the term than when people use it to describe games on Windows and 360...)

I can play N64, NES, Super NES, Sega Genisis, Gameboy , and Gameboy Advanced games on my PSP does that mean none of those games are exclusive?

RyanShazam

I'm a big fan of the phrase "A picture is worth a thousand words."

CAPSROGUE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_computer

I it really that hard to understand that a Mac is a PC?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="lucfonzy"]

Consider this, can you take your PS3 disc and play it in an Xbox 360. No?

Can you take a PC-DVD and play it in a Mac? Yes?

A Mac is a brand of Personal Computer. We don't call Window's operated PC's Windows, or Linux, it's just that PC's are affiliated with running Windows by default.

The Mac is different yes, but that's just the OS, windows is different, Linux is different, they all play the same games though.

SamiRDuran

"Xbox and playstation are just different kinds of the same thing; consoles."

ps3 slim and ps3 fat are just different kind of ps3s so technically ps3 has no exlusives!

Nice sig quote from Kevin-V. ;)

[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] You're arguing in circles. We've been over this. If you're defining a platform by the type of machine that it is, then that exact same logic clearly falls apart when applied to Xbox 360 and PS3.

"Mac and PC are the same thing - they're both computers!"

"Xbox and playstation are the same thing - they're both consoles!"

When it comes to PCs, the platform is defined by the OS. Windows is a platform. OS X is a platform. The box you run either of them on is irrelevant. Everyone has different computers of different brands and builds.

ianuilliam

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]

PC stands for personal computer...
OS stands for operating system...
Mac OS and Windows are operating systems. So no, StarCraft 2 is a PC exclusive.

By your logic, no game on the Xbox 360 is exclusive, because the Xbox 360 has 2 operating systems (Blades and The New Xbox Experience)

UnknownSniper65

PC (personal computer) is not a platform. There are windows PCs, MacOS pcs, even consoles are a type of pc. The NES was called the "Family Computer", or Famicom, in Japan.

When people talk about PC as a platform, it's just because "PC" is shorter than "Windows-based PC". Calling SC2 a "pc exclusive" would be like calling a game that is on 360 & PS3, but NOT on Windows or Mac, a "console exclusive". (Which is actually a more accurate use of the term than when people use it to describe games on Windows and 360...)

Mac is a personal computer :|

I really don't understand what is so difficult about this to understand. If you look up the term Personal Computer( PC) you'll find Mac fits under its definition.

I would also like to mention that Windows and MAC OSX are software not hardware.

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] "Windows and Mac are just different kinds of the same thing; PCs"

"Xbox and playstation are just different kinds of the same thing; consoles."WhenCicadasCry

ps3 slim and ps3 fat are just different kind of ps3s so technically ps3 has no exlusives!

Nice sig quote from Kevin-V. ;)

but its makes sense in this argument, this isnt Hardware Wars, with is why peoiple are saying Macs and PCs are the same. PS3, 360 are locked PCs basicly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_computer

I it really that hard to understand that a Mac is a PC?

toast_burner

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]That's more like Windows Vista versus Windows XP.

PC (personal computer) is not a platform. There are windows PCs, MacOS pcs, even consoles are a type of pc. The NES was called the "Family Computer", or Famicom, in Japan.

When people talk about PC as a platform, it's just because "PC" is shorter than "Windows-based PC". Calling SC2 a "pc exclusive" would be like calling a game that is on 360 & PS3, but NOT on Windows or Mac, a "console exclusive". (Which is actually a more accurate use of the term than when people use it to describe games on Windows and 360...)

ianuilliam

Mac is a personal computer :|

I really don't understand what is so difficult about this to understand. If you look up the term Personal Computer( PC) you'll find Mac fits under its definition.

I suppose the next console generation will be released via firmware?

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]

PC stands for personal computer...
OS stands for operating system...
Mac OS and Windows are operating systems. So no, StarCraft 2 is a PC exclusive.

By your logic, no game on the Xbox 360 is exclusive, because the Xbox 360 has 2 operating systems (Blades and The New Xbox Experience)

chaplainDMK

PC (personal computer) is not a platform. There are windows PCs, MacOS pcs, even consoles are a type of pc. The NES was called the "Family Computer", or Famicom, in Japan.

When people talk about PC as a platform, it's just because "PC" is shorter than "Windows-based PC". Calling SC2 a "pc exclusive" would be like calling a game that is on 360 & PS3, but NOT on Windows or Mac, a "console exclusive". (Which is actually a more accurate use of the term than when people use it to describe games on Windows and 360...)

It amuses me to see PC gamers claim Mac users as one of their own for the sake of this argument.lowe0

It's even more amusing to see consolites such as your resort to such desperate measures to attempt to decrease the value and number of PC exclusive titles.