Stop being shit and buy a Wii U

To me it's a damned shame Bayonetta didn't sell better than it did. I don't think people realize how good the game is, just figure it's another dumb hack n' slash with a silly story. Well, the story is silly but there is nothing ordinary about the gameplay, in that area it is superb. The best hack n' slash of gen 7 I played.

The WiiU has been just as pathetic as the other 2 consoles, but with less leeway given that it's been on the market longer.

It looks like a reasonable purchase that justifies itself if

A: You are primarily a PC gamer, which means all these consoles can do is offer you exclusives and nothing more.
B: You value Nintendo's first party outing enough

Which personally sure, Nintendo still makes the type of games I generally value - Gameplay is king, and any other element of the game simply doesn't hold as much value to me. That said if you are primarily console centric gamer, it's the worst purchase of the 3, because it misses out on a variety of the best games of any given year. Even last year with a game as stellar as Bayonetta 2 (my GOTY), the WiiU was still missing out on some of the other great games from 2014, ditto for 2013, and it's going to be the same in 2015 and going forward.

You took 1479 characters to write that Nintendo is the cause of their problems. The original at least made a couple of points in that amount of space. But whatever.
Your message is mostly that because Nintendo is bad we treat them as such and that things like the industry's focus on cinematic experiences, like forcing you to walk extra slowly down an extra long corridor to deliver a bit of dialogue, is mysteriously enjoyable.

Not everyone has the ability to look past their usual grind to find out what games they really like. And I do believe that that is seriously hurting Nintendo sales. How many people played Bayonetta 2 and did not like it? I bet (but maybe I'm a fracking moron) that more than 90% of the people who normally don't play that kind of game, but bought it anyway, genuinely liked it. Yet it sold like crap compared to pretty terrible Xbox/Playstation games. (Like The Order for instance, that showed that marketing is even more important than ever, subsequently reviews and quality even less important than ever when it comes to Playstation/Xbox gamers.)

When the news broke that PC gamers were getting Gold for free Xbox fans raged and I find that to be a telling sign that they themselves were not happy with MS's treatment and were paying for the online service just because. Those are the people who didn't think twice about how they spend their money. I don't think it's a stretch to say that MS and Sony gamers tend to buy things based on all sorts of parameters, but not necessarily by putting thought into it.

I'd say that Nintendo IS being forced into some of this because even if all systems were made equal Nintendo would not get the same 3rd party support. They cannot compete fairly because Sony and MS both have way too much money they can spend on making sure that 3rd party games won't be complete, stable, or on Nintendo systems first. If that happens to the apparently very few good games that 3rd parties can deliver in several years time, they'd be fucked. So yeah, their systems will sell less, and are going to be less powerful if only because of this.

Bros, quote chains. Let's keep this easy to read, please.

@KungfuKitten: What an ignorant, stupid post. You've criticised him for the length of it, wrongly described it as simplistic, and showed the usual blinkered fanboy tosh. You say he didn't make sense. Why? Made sense to me.

Nintendo is so distant from the other two. One is a game box while the others are entertainment boxes.

I might buy a WiiU................if my son can go more than 48hrs, not needing a time out.

Third party would gain more from a third console with another demographic to sell their games to, so if Nintendo actually made a competitive device, with a functional network, and was developer friendly to design games for, it would do very well in the third party department. People forget that while The Gamecube wasn't king of third party or anything, it got a lot of the major multiplats of that era. The difference was they were behind the PS2 and Xbox in having their console actually have games online. So the Gamecube versions didn't go online very often, if at all.

So that argument that Nintendo would get very little third party is
A: baseless
B: ignores a scenario where they actually did well, when devs could afford to be third party exclusive to platforms. These days, every dollar counts.

His point was that Nintendo doesn't respond to the part where they are slacking and behind, they assume they can get by on just doing more of the same. When reality is they need someone else other than Mario to be their bread winner as a franchise, he has more or less peaked in terms of his system selling appeal. He'll kill it when the hardware is killing it, but he's not going to be able to carry it on his shoulders like this is the NES/SNES. The gaming audience values newer things on some level, values any indie scene on some level, values online, values spectacle, values technical advancements, values the idea of story telling in their games. Sure that last one is kind of gross, because Video Game stories are dog shit, but I digress. His point still has merit, Nintendo doesn't adapt/change enough.

And his other point about "dude bro bad taste" is like...what?

So Platinum Games who built their games entirely on gameplay and crazy shit are just dude bro games? Because they are a third party developer, they did their thing on the 360/PS3, they will be doing their thing on the PS4/Xbox One eventually

Shinji Mikami the man who created Resident Evil Remake, Resident Evil 4, God Hand, Vanquish, Dino Crisis makes dude bro games? Because sure The Evil Within was an action centric horror game, but it was still a horror game driven by its gameplay.

From Software? Bloodborne and the Souls games are dude bro, shallow cinematic walking sims how?

Rocksteady's Batman games don't balance rhythm oriented melee combat with predator styled stealth gameplay that progressively evolves over the course of the game to have you take advantage of all your tools? Doesn't have challenge rooms for additional content after the central campaign? Didn't have so much side content in Arkham City that was handled with the same level of TLC that went into the mandatory missions?

Fireaxis with XCom Enemy Unkonwn- what dude bros were they appealing to?

Bethesda and Obsidian? not to make this a list thing, but the Playstation and Xbox have more to offer than just what Microsoft and Sony make, so why do we act like those multiplats don't matter, when they clearly do?

People are missing out but what can you do. Happy WiiU owner here BTW. :)

@jg4xchamp:

Screw developer friendly. Look where it has lead. The genesis and Super Nintendo were different platforms and the psx/n64/saturn were all remarkably different-------------so many great games from those eras.

Plenty of great games from the previous generation too.

The difference is more budget, and less "no those consoles weren't dev friendly, that's why they were cool and diverse".

Games cost less to make, teams weren't as huge, and the industry was in its diapers at that point. We're now way out of the 3D boom, larger design rules are in place, and the industry has become more lucarative, with bigger budgets, and larger dev teams. Ergo, they need to be on as many platforms as possible. That's a shitty comparison you tried to make.

That isn't fact. More like a generalization.

Screw Wii U. I'm going to pick up a Vita in a couple of months. Been getting into my PSP again recently, and that's been tempting me quite a bit to get a Vita.

Basically, I'll buy whatever the hell I want to, not what some internet raging bull tells me to.

I'm a Manticore so look at my sig what I'm playing on my Wii U.

This what I've been trying to say for years.

I don't want a WiiU though.

Did you miss me challenging the blogger's notion that Nintendo fans see all their games as untouchable with universal appeal and superior when they're not? Or my refutation that games not Nintendo's are largely garbage as he implied, or that all that enjoy them are not idiots, or stating that yes, it's been Nintendo's actions that is the cause of their predicament, and that people aren't tolerating this crap anymore?

Forgive me the immense burden those 1479 characters put on you to say Nintendo is the source of its own problems, but there's a lot of examples to be provided in backing that statement up. To my count, including the above, there's at least 5 points I made in my whole post. I'd consider that fairly concise. if it's too long for you then don't read it, I really don't care. But don't try to pass off one point I made supported by examples to be muddled in verbosity because you wish to frame me as being unable to articulate one point succinctly and then throw it at me in the form of an ad-hominem.

But whatever.

My main message is that Nintendo's been performing like shit and it's about time people started not supporting them (or expecting a bit more), sure. Why should people be obligated to do so? And bullshit to Nintendo can't compete. They can't currently with this leadership and the condition they're in, I'd agree. Doesn't mean they couldn't eventually.

Thanks. :)

I had a Wii U. People were creaming themselves over a HD Mario 64 using Mario Galaxy assets because that one level of that was better than the whole of Mario 3D World. Goddammit that game was simply boring. Every Nintendo system needs a strong Mario game as the bedrock of it's library. But 3D World doesn't fill that role well at all. Hopefully Miyamoto gets all the yiffing out of his system and makes a proper Mario game on the scale of Galaxy again one of these days… but that likely wouldn't be on Wii U as it's very obviously a dead platform.

Mario Kart 8 still has broken AI that makes the single player a broken mess on the only speed that doesn't feel like your moving in slow motion. Wonderful 101 had shit controls. Bayonetta 2 is ok, but it's ok in spite of the Wii U, not because of it. You can tell it's being held back by the overly weak hardware, but it wouldn't exist without Nintendo's financial backing of the development so, oh well. Same unfortunate situation poor Fatal Frame is in.

Virtual Console updates at a glacial pace and is on track to come up well short of the glory the Wii version had, least of all ever properly EXPAND on it.

No doubt Nintendo makes quality games but I am not over-paying for the lastgen level hardware.

I will get a Wii U once the price reflects the hardware in it.

Wii U is in the same boat as the PS4 and Xbox1. They need more games to justify the purchase.

Maybe in 2016.

Another good point against the Wii U. $299 is a slap in the face. It astounds me they are still selling it at that price and wondering why it's not moving more units.

Yeah, let's not just pay $50 more for a system with ten times the games and variety and vastly more powerful hardware.

When you look at that from the perspective of a regular Joe gamer, which lets be honest, is a group of people who have far more influence than a niche group of core gamers on an obscure dying internet website who make up custom rules for a meta game that says that anything that appears on more than one system doesn't exist, it's pretty fucking easy to see why Wii U is a dud.

It is objectively, in the real world, the absolute worst value on the market. It's just not an appealing purchase AT ALL.

already bought a wii u and was disappointed. it's just more of the same from nintendo.

But Bloodborne has the best ost of the gen so far.

What a beautiful rant, it almost brought a tear to my eyes. Great post, haters will always hate on great things. They hate cause they aint. You dont see Nintendo fans going around hating on all things other than Nintendo. But yet for some reason these same haters come and hate on everything Nintendo. They hate that people are enjoying games that they arent enjoying so they feel they must come and attack Nintendo cause Nintendo fans enjoy their stuff so much. They need to stop hating and start finding games to enjoy and bragg about.

Stop the hate, go find something great.

Man, how many great games does it take to justify the purchase? Perhaps a lot of the high quality content on Wii U isn't your cup of tea or it takes more than 8-10 great titles to make a console worth it to you.

*Yawn* Just more Nintendrone drivel. The Wii U sucks, plain and simple.

Maybe if they ever make a AAA Pokemon RPG game that goes beyond just a stadium style gameplay. Otherwise no thanks, wont even touch wii U if I got it for free.

As a a piece of hardware and the feature set, I wholeheartedly agree.

As for the games, minus forced gamepad integration on some, are pretty great. If you haven't played Bayonetta 2, you're missing out, game's a masterpiece.

Wonderful 101, Pikmin 3, Tropical freeze, Mk8 are all worth playing.

How did this make it all the way to two pages ?

I played the demo, but it didn't appeal to me. Plus, I find her power nauseating.

The other games, I have no interest in or didn't particularly enjoy playing previous entries, especially Mario Kart, which I freakin' hate.

What, the partial nudity? lol

No, just her swinging around her gross hair. She already looks like a cross dresser to me, so yeah, I'm not a fan of the character design.

That's really awesome for you but I'd rather shoot myself in the face than spend 100 hours on Tropical Freeze. I don't really regret getting a Wii U and there a couple of games that interest me but whenever I think about buying one, there are at least a dozen games on other systems I want more.

I'll pick it up when Nintendo discontinues it next year and drops the price to 99$ All those "ZOMG Best gamez EVA!" Will still be there....

Kinda your own fault for expecting Sony and/or Microsoft from a Nintendo console yo.

A real battle mode and item balancing (not getting the same items as people around you) come to mind.

But yeah WiiU is great and people are missing out on great titles.

I own a Wii U and the W101. Still, as much as I like Nintendo software, Ninty themselves fucked up with the Wii U.

I also don't pity those that buy consoles and then complain on the internet that they have nothing to play.

Here's a list of Wii U games that are out now and a list of Wii U games that are coming soon.

The problem is I don't like WiiU games because they are super kiddy. Funny thing that I noticed is that mostly WiiU games hyped by grown-up adult men, 30+ years, because of nostalgia or something, meanwhile all teenagers prefer more adult games. And no, before rabid sheeps come at me, Bayoneta is not enough to justify absolute lack of mature games on WiiU. WiiU only represent value as a party games console, with a few, very few exceptions, nothing more.

And seriously, guys, stop with these dumb threads of pushing your WiiU through our throats.

The system has done good since it's release to try to right its mistakes and bring quality first party titles and supporting a few third party partnerships (Hyrule Warriors, Bayonetta 2), but I feel Nintendo is losing its drive to support the Wii U. With the NX coming I think they're support for the Wii U is dwindling, regardless of whether that's a console or not I think Nintendo's record for showing they can't juggle support between devices means whatever is lined up for the Wii U that we know about is probably the last we'll see on the console. Who knows, maybe people are waiting to see if the NX will have some kind of form of Wii U BC (either by disc or digitally), in which case they can just spend their money more appropriately.

I like my Wii U, I'm getting most of what I wanted out of it (still waiting for Metroid Zero Mission, and to see if they'll ever localize Fatal Frame Wii U... probably not). But, it's hard to sell to everyone else. I think many people on reflection saw the Wii as a gimmick despite getting one, probably saw the same thing with tablet play (though I must admit when I took the plunge I found to like the tablet a lot more than I thought I would). But it's lack of a library is killing it. It basically come down to whether you like Nintendo's first party titles enough to get one.

^ ^ This. There's a reason it's not selling.

All these Nintendo fanboy tryhards keep trying to convince the general population the WiiU isn't a piece of crap when it actually is. Bayonetta 2 and a handful of exclusives doesn't stop the WiiU from being a potato of a console. It's a complete barren wasteland for 3rd party games that make up the backbone of modern day gaming.. Hopefully the new Nintendo console being made will actually be worth people's time so that these desperate stupid articles stop popping up.

I bought a WiiU, because there are always must have Nintendo exclusives.

Having said that, I play it very rarely. It's even worse than the Wii was. It gets fewer good games than that console which was famous for it's droughts and poor 3rd party support. I am bemused, when I see the same Nintendo fans who praised the Wii to death doing the same for WiiU. It's just a confusion to me. I understand people who just adore Nintendo games and refuse to miss them (I'm in that camp myself, tho the amount of their games I adore is falling) but I don't understand those people who act like it's problems don't exist.

I don't think Mario 3D World was boring but it was very clearly in the realm of the New Super Mario Bros/handheld Mario titles. It absolutely did not feel like a full, real, 3D console Mario. Even the maligned Mario Sunshine felt like a big open adventure. Mario 3D World was a bunch of ultra linear, often 2 or 2.5D "challenge" levels.

I'd agree that a Mario 64 style game, using modern console power to make it HD and huge, would be incredible. Nintendo don't really make ambitions games anymore sadly.

@locopatho: Ambition is far too subjective of a term. If Nintendo made another Mario 64 instead of Super Mario Galaxy, you would still bash it for playing too safe and not breaking new boundaries.

Super Mario 3D World isn't a sandbox, nor does it pretend to be. It is an excellent platformer filled with creativity in its own merit. You don't have to like it, heck, the best hack and slash game in the market doesn't mean a thing if I never found the genre appealing to begin with.

No sir, that's utter bollocks, I'd praise them massively. I jizzed myself last gen over the Galaxy games. A Galaxy 3, a spiritual successor to Mario 64/Sunshine, or a new totally unexpected direction would all be praised by me. I don't want to dictate what they do, I just didn't want them to go backwards, which imo they did. "Ambition" is pretty simple in this context: instead of making a game bigger and better than their previous consoles, they went and made a sequel to the 3DS game and mushed in some NSMB too (4 players). That... isn't ambitious, for any definition I've ever heard.

I know it's not a sandbox, but it should be. They already have limited, linear 2 and 2.5 challenge levels in the NSMB series AND the handheld games. I enjoyed Mario 3D World for what it was, but all the while it was tinged with disappointment. I've already played this type of game from Nintendo, repeatedly. There's nothing new for me. It's gotten to the point where I think I just shouldn't buy Mario anymore, I think they are making new ones for younger gamers who haven't already experienced all this stuff already.

Complaining about cinematic games and HD remakes is about as useless as complaining about why pop music dominates the radio.

i am not going to buy a Wii U now that its been revealed nintendo is working on a new console already.

The more you say it...the more articles like this....the more desperate it looks.

I'll buy a WiiU when it's not shit....when the new Zelda comes out for it...if that doesn't turn out to be on the NX.

Yeah , go spend 500$ for Wii U and 3-4 games while console is slowly dying !! Dont buy the NO GAMES PS4 that will get literally everything up to next gen , buy something that had a strong 2014 lineup and a certain death in 2016...

Rofl...