Stop being shit and buy a Wii U

You probably want this, but I'll bite. You know how how Stormtroopers get (literally) blasted by the Rebels for following Vader and/or Palpatine (or any new Sith lord in the Old EU) and their orders (or their legacy)? You know how Nintendo fans get (figuratively) blasted for having the views they do and, as they say it "do nothing but buy Nintendo IP's"?

Figurative or literal, it doesn't matter as it's still a clash of ideologies (one that I thought was worth mentioning as I think it's being overlooked in mine and Sanchez's argument in this case).

@nintendoboy16: Still honestly don't get your "clash of ideologies" thing, we're just talking about games on a forum :P

@DocSanchez just mentioned the fact that the NES and SNES were awash with all the best 3rd party games (a true fact) and you start talking about Sega and Stormtroopers... not trying to be mean, it's just a little strange :P

In my opinion, Nintendo would do better if they had more games that appealed to older audiences. I enjoy pokemon, mario, and all the "classics" too but I own a 3DS for this. I would never in a million years buy a WiiU to essentially play 3DS games in better quality. So many Nintendo series are remakes and "nostalgia" titles. Essentially the same games over and over again. Hey, I like them (for 3DS) and it's fine if you like Zelda, Smash, Kirby, and stuff like that. But the thing about nintendo is that their products generally only appeal to those who have formerly owned a nintendo system and have the "nostalgia" to play revamped classics or are young kids who are into the 85% rated "E" titles. There is very limited diversity in the kind of games available for WiiU/3DS which is what I think deters a lot of non-fanboys and children from wanting one.

I love Nintendo handhelds but would never buy their console for those reasons. Yes, PS and XBOX can make a lot of trash titles too, but overall I feel they are leaps and bounds ahead of WiiU in game selection, number of titles, online gameplay, and hardware.

That article is putting me off buying a Wii U more than it actually thinks it motivates me to buy it

Are you the same user on Gamefaqs under a similar handle?

@MirkoS77:

nah, i don't use gamefaqs but i think this might be connected. I used to post here under a different name and this account was just to request help restoring my original account after the webpage transitioned to the new style. But the help here sucks so this is my account.

Also... i realise while i completely respect the wii u, and think its the most consumer friendly console... its the only one i don't own.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/bug-reporting-feedback-1000006/i-need-some-help-with-an-account-issue-31266486/

I've done 56 posts so far as of today... pmed mods... they can suck it

He put Nintendo fans who have a negative view of third parties on full blast, saying that they (third parties) thrived (or had a "good home") on those systems, which I found very hard to believe due to what sold and how Nintendo's relationships with third parties we're even back then.

I agree with the topic idea, but when I read the whole thing I found it wasn't really worth the time. Not a fan of overly biased rants.

Awe you talking shit too?!

Why do I have a feeling whenever a Nintendo related topic comes up, presumably a negative one, the same legion of System Wars users always spring up and go full force mode?

I mean this is just as bad as the defenders of Sonic 06 users of Youtube.

I don't want to buy a WiiU, maybe I will for Zelda, but I agree about the PS4, and even Xbox one. The software there is crap and I don't understand why people are supporting them. We seem to have new 'sheep' out there.

No, I have nearly 30 games for the WiiU. It's my favorite console out right now.

I can see how my comment could be taken in a sarcastic tone now though XD

Elitist bullshit. The reason the Wii U isn't selling is because of Nintendo. This arrogant asshat tries to point the finger at customers. Sorry, but it's not the customer's job to like your product; it's the company's job to convince people that their product is worth owning. Nintendo has utterly failed at this with their underpowered hardware and shitty marketing. If someone even knows what the Wii U is(and there are people out there who still think it is a peripheral for Wii), they have to decide whether dropping ~300 USD on it just for Nintendo games is worth it. Nobody should have to feel compelled to buy another system just for multiplats and the author makes the assumption that these offerings are inferior and not worth owning.

If Nintendo had made a more appealing system, had better marketing, and attracted a wider range of gamers, perhaps games like The Wonderful 101 would have done better. Nintendo has managed to condense their Wii U audience down to mainly those who want to buy Nintendo's core franchises and nothing else. Most of the top sellers for the system are Mario related games. Having a large user base of people with different tastes would help new IPs like W101 and adult-targeted games like Bayonetta succeed.

Stop being poop "N" and sell me a Wii U: Zelda U bundle for about $149.99. :P

Only thing the WiiU was good for me personally is knowing not to buy future hardware from Nintendo. I play my 360 more than it.

Seriously Nintendo, why haven't you dropped the price to £99 for crying out loud. It isn't worth a penny more.

@locopatho:

I don't get the comparison either but the truth is that 3rd parties are in control of the sony/ms side of things. Nintendo doesn't want to give up control. It makes more sense for them to survive on their own legs as a company than bow to the likes of some 3rd party trends.

Wow, there are a lot of 3D World haters out there. It's the best of all of the Mario games, imo.

I bought it and didn't like it. It's too over the top for me. I don't find the cutscenes (and there are way too many cutscenes) that funny. And I hate QTEs. Seems like a solid hack'n'slash, but I'm not a very big fan of those either. I just couldn't resist the 10's the game received everywhere, which I really don't agree with after trying out the game. It's probably good, but not for me..

@nintendoboy16: You're completely losing it. Blasting? Blasting? WTF are you on about at this stage?

By "blasting," (putting aside my Star Wars reference) I mean calling out the Nintendo fans for having the views they have on the third parties and you bringing up hard to believe statements. "Third parties thrived on Nintendo consoles", you said. I'm pretty sure if that was the case, their sales would be a hell of a lot better than they were and there would be little to no complaints from them if they did.

@clyde46: No, not after all of the anti consumer shit they've pulled

You're again going into "crazy Nintendo defense mode". All he said was NES and SNES were awash in the best 3rd party games, which again, is fact.

Your list of best selling SNES games is incomplete and thus irrelevant, and also has many successful 3rd party titles, so I'm not sure what your point is (again).

"In control"? No. They are two sides of a constructive relationship. Sony and MS want and need 3rd party games on their systems, and 3rd parties want and need to sell their games on their systems. Neither side is "in control", both do their best to facilitate the relationship and make both sides happy. It's been working, for decades now.

If Nintendo want to live in their isolated backwards bubble, then that's their choice. But no one can complain when gamers flock to the modern advanced platforms awash with 3rd party games.

Folks are acting surprised that gamers prefer powerful consoles with dozens of good games a year to the weakest console with 3 - 5 good games a year. It's really not at all shocking, the only people buying WiiU are the Nintendo nuts and the folks who want it as a secondary system.

How in the remote hell is disagreeing with his "third parties once thrived on Nintendo consoles" statement a defense for Nintendo? And for that matter, it doesn't matter how good those third party titles are if they aren't as successful as they like.

The point being is that, bar Street Fighter II, no third parties sold the amount to rival what Nintendo sold? Look at what's in the freaking Top Ten. You see way more third parties in PlayStation and XBOX Top Tens for crying out loud.

"He put Nintendo fans who have a negative view of third parties on full blast" and "I'm sorry, I thought we Nintendo fans we're blasted like Imperial Stormtroopers for only buying Nintendo IP's (save for some exceptions)?" - you got super defensive, as usual, around Nintendo.

Show me where 3rd parties were complaining about being unsuccessful? There were piles of critically and commercially successful 3rd party games on NES and SNES. 3rd parties left because Nintendo were cunts, not because the games weren't successful.

SO FUCKING WHAT?

Halo sells insane amounts, Xbox still gets Bioshock, Half Life, Rainbow Six, Borderlands, Far Cry, Crysis, The Darkness, and every other FPS.

Gears and Uncharted sell insane amounts, Xbox and PS still get Max Payne, Vanquish, Dead Space, Resident Evil and every other TPS.

Forza and Gran Turismo sell insane amounts, Xbox and PS still get Burnout, Need For Speed, DIRT, F1.

"Nintendo are so perfect third parties are scared of them :D" is not a valid excuse.

Not to mention that you are pretending Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Secret Of Mana, Chrono Trigger, Mortal Kombat, Killer Instinct, Final Fight, and Megaman all selling millions is bad!?

Powerful consoles? None of the consoles are powerful consoles. I did buy a wiiu because I do enjoy the quality they put out, but I also bought a ps4--a system of which really has no identity. One is better off with their current laptop and whatever it can run on steam.

So its the customers fault?..lol..Nope this is just Nintendo's stubborness..they got to where they are now because of what they do...times have change & 3rd parties no longer needs Nintendo, but you really can't say the same for Nintendo? ..I don't think so...unless of course you're saying Nintendo is happy with Wii U sale at the moment..which I doubt. Being place as secondary/complimentary console?..is a joke no matter how fanboys want to twist it. Main problem is Nintendo themselves...tell them to stop being shits & get with time. :P

The Playstation 4 is factually the most powerful console ever made, and it factually gets and will get dozens of good (as rated by critics) games each year.

I don't care what you think is powerful or what "identity" or lack thereof a system has, the facts don't change.

@Heirren: There is the slight problem that PS4 is literally your only choice for baseball games.

@locopatho: Being the most powerful console is like being the biggest ant. Both you and I know that better, faster technology will make the PS4 obsolete in a matter of months.

PC is much better positioned for you to enjoy new experiences you can't get anywhere else. PS4 is far too safe and conservative.

I even have a hard time calling it a game console. And even calling it the most powerful console ever made is a stretch. The dang thing has a hard time even running the games that come out for it, properly.

It is one of the most poorly designed pieces of hardware I've ever owned. Everything from the updates to the game installs to the hard drive space to the storefront to the controller. This thing is a bigger gimmick than the wiiu gamepad.

@hiphops_savior:

Isn't MLB the Show still on ps3?

...I've also heard good things about RBI, is that true? I was told it feels more like old 16bit baseball....

PS4 won't be obsolete in months. Like the PS3 and 360 before it, it will be getting the same major games as PC does for the next 6, 7, 8 years. I have a gaming PC. It still doesn't change the facts of what the PS4 is.

I don't know what madness is in you, but again they don't change the facts:

1. PS4 is a games console.

2. It is the most powerful console ever made.

3. It gets dozens of good (as defined by critics) games.

This really isn't difficult.

what everyone has failed to answer is what does nintendo have for me?

i'm not into tired 30 year old franchises or beginner domination leather fetish porn.

A game console is plug and play. Something thats sole focus or purpose is to play games.

-PS4 has an insane amount of updates.

-PS4 requires game installs.

-PS4 is simply a closed off pc.

-The controller requires you to charge it every other time the console is turned on. There's a flashlight on the controller with no use and no option to turn it off.

-The HDD is 500gigs. Games are up to 50gigs.

PS4 is a cumbersome experience. People should be critical of this. It dictates what people actually look for in a game console and will decide what comes out next. People defending the issues with the ps4 is a similar scenario to xbox fanboys last gen defending microtransactions and dlc abuse.

Nothing. Given your preferences, the Wii U isn't worth your time.

...or beginner domination leather fetish porn.

Wtf?

I wasn't exactly defending the company, was I? It was more calling out his posts against THE FANS (who last I checked, AREN'T the company and right now, are more broken than the Nords of Skyrim) that have their stances on third parties the way they do and his belief that they thrived on Nintendo systems, which I found to be BS. It takes more than being a good game to "thrive".

Let's take a look at some of those third party games, shall we?

Killer Instinct - Not a third party franchise, considering Rare was under Nintendo's second party contract at the time (also, look at it's placement in the Top Ten). So you think Eternal Darkness for the GameCube is a third party game too?

Mortal Kombat - That franchise sold more on the Genesis/Megadrive due to Nintendo ordering censorship on the first game

Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger, Dragon Quest, Secret of Mana - Neither game sold particularly well in the Western World at the time. FF didn't make big strides in America until VII on the PlayStation.

Megaman - I'll give you that one (considering I hardly see any sales for the remake on the Megadrive, plus the series WAS one of the most popular on the NES), but I consider that an exception on the level of say Turok, Aki wrestlers, and the Star Wars games on the N64. Or Soul Calibur II on the GameCube (despite the PS2 version selling more in it's lifetime, the GC version was the best at launch).

Sometimes, a million isn't enough for companies. Capcom definitely showed this with RE4 gens later.

You said it yourself by calling Nintendo c***s. And them being that hardly gives third parties a reason to see Nintendo as "a great home" (one of the things I disagreed with Sanchez on, mind you)

Also...

"Nintendo are so perfect third parties are scared of them :D"

Really? Where did I imply that they were "so perfect" with these recent posts? On top of that, don't you, Char, Mirko, and Sanchez get on my ass whenever I make posts like that? We may be SW "enemies", but I expected better out of you.

@DocSanchez: Well said.

I too will pass on those titles. I stopped liking Mario and friends back in the SNES era.

I don't have the time or money to invest in another system for a few games I don't care much about. I can get similar 2d platforming from little big planet (a game sheep hate and bash because it has real physics and wasn't made by nintendo). If I want a zelda type game I have binding of issac for classic zelda style dungeons or hell bloodborne or other action rpgs. Metroid, I got axiom verge ( well nintendo isn't making a new metroid anyway).

I bought a 3ds to compliment my vita like I did with ds/psp last gen, for the few 3rd party jrpgs and 1st party strategy games (fire emblem is awesome, and it's the only place to play etria odyssey and monster hunter ). Those style games and 3rd party support in general do not exist on Wii u. So for someone not interested in super Mario super friends... there is really no incentive for me to buy one.

I recently bought a used Wii U and honestly, while I like the system and all, I'm afraid it's just going to be my Mario machine as the titles I'm most looking forward to playing are 3D World, NSMBU and Luigi U, and maybe Yoshi's Woolly World. A friend of mine might buy Bayonetta 2 so he can play it on my console, so I'll give that one a shot too.

I don't like Metroid Prime and 3D Zelda gets boring pretty quick, I'm still struggling to finish Twilight Princess (last 3D one I finished was WW), so a Nintendo home console will always have limited appeal to me compared to a 3DS that has mostly the same games and top-down Zelda, and PC which has the multiplats.

Still, it's not a bad console, the 3DS is just a better proposition.

he was talking crap about hd remakes....nintendo was the first offender with remakes or did that guy suddenly forget about super mario all stars?

@jsmoke03: It's not bad when Nintendo do it. It's okay for the likes of Windwaker HD and Ocarina of Time/Mario 64 3DS. Just not when others do it.