Stop Buying DLC!! I Think Its Gotten Out Of Control.

Black ops came out when? And how many Map packs have their been already?Honestly I Gamefly games (Unless its a must to but buy: GOW3, Skyrim, ME3) so it doesnt make sense to buy DLC. What keeps you buying DLC?

I only buy expansion/mini-expansion style DLCs, like what Fallout New Vegas or Mass Effect 2 had.110million

I have never bought a Black Ops map pack and never will. $15 dollars for maps? They must be crazy. That's a huge rip-off. The only DLC I pay for is expansions and chracters (fighting games). Screw paying $15 per map pack.

I only buy expansion/mini-expansion style DLCs, like what Fallout New Vegas or Mass Effect 2 had.110million

BO is the most popular MP game atm, of course it's gonna have a lot of DLC. Nothing surprising nor "out of control" there.IronBass

The fact they have $15 map packs for 4 maps says otherwise.dreman999

BO is the most popular MP game atm, of course it's gonna have a lot of DLC. Nothing surprising nor "out of control" there.IronBass

It is easily the most expensive though (in terms of amount paid vs amount of content - if there was such a ratio). About the only thing that could compete would be some avatar pack that is $5 for 1MB worth of shoddy quality virtual files. Many would say it's a ripoff for what you get.

I can't say that I've *NEVER* bought DLC or that I could swear not to buy any again in the future. But I don't like how for some companies it seems to be a milkage thing, rather than offering up legitimate full EXPANSIONS like one of the above posters noted. By comparison of content, these map packs just seem like an value.

That being said as long as their's money to be made, companies will continue to do it. Certainly the COD fans have made DLC and yearly rehashes very profitable for Activision. It would be nice if people would force Activision to actually improve their offerings, but until the COD fad dies down they won't have too. I just don't like the trend that they seeingly are shortening their games, and offering DLC later on. That's BS IMO. While I can't swear off DLC completely, I can say I will *NEVER* buy one of the $15 map packs, nor will I ever buy any "day 1" DLC. The only way I will stoop to that level is if I buy a GOTY re-issue which includes all the DLC - much of which probably should have been in the game in the 1st place.

The only DLCs I buy are expansion-style packs like the Borderlands or Fallout DLCs. All this map pack BS is, well, just that. BS. Why would I pay fifteen dollars for five multiplayer maps? That's criminal. The only map pack I've bought was the Homefront map pack because it was 240MSP and I had 490 on my account so it didn't really cost me anything.

[QUOTE="dreman999"]The fact they have $15 map packs for 4 maps says otherwise.IronBass

Umm do we not remember Horse Armor DLC or say DLC that is already shipped with the game but is only unlocked when you buy said DLC. Believe me its not just one game.

[QUOTE="dreman999"]The fact they have $15 map packs for 4 maps says otherwise.IronBass

It is easily the most expensive though - many would say a ripoff for what you get.

2Chalupas

It doesn't matter that many would say that. More than enough people find it worth the $15, which, like any other product, it's all that matters.

Those who disagree can simply not buy it.

Umm do we not remember Horse Armor DLC or say DLC that is already shipped with the game but is only unlocked when you buy said DLC. Believe me its not just one game.Heroldp813

I not say dlc are out of control.Just that it's on the verge of it. COD is the most popular game and as we know with this industry, popular things are copied...dreman999

LOL at people who think its okay to pay for DLC such as Fallout DLC or Mass Effect DLC, yet any mention of Black Ops DLC and OMG TOTAL RIPOFFF DUUUDE.

Doesn't make sense, not only are the Fallout and Mass Effect DLCs pretty bad, but after you play them there no incentive to play again. You would get FAR more value for you money paying $15 for BO multiplayer maps, than you would laying down $10 for a mass effect mission.

I gameshared both black ops map packs :o

No way in hell are activision getting my money!

[QUOTE="Heroldp813"]Umm do we not remember Horse Armor DLC or say DLC that is already shipped with the game but is only unlocked when you buy said DLC. Believe me its not just one game.IronBass

I not say dlc are out of control.Just that it's on the verge of it. COD is the most popular game and as we know with this industry, popular things are copied...dreman999

I don't have a problem with DLC. I buy what I think is good and leave the crap on the table. Why is that so hard for people?

LOL at people who think its okay to pay for DLC such as Fallout DLC or Mass Effect DLC, yet any mention of Black Ops DLC and OMG TOTAL RIPOFFF DUUUDE.

Doesn't make sense, not only are the Fallout and Mass Effect DLCs pretty bad, but after you play them there no incentive to play again. You would get FAR more value for you money paying $15 for BO multiplayer maps, than you would laying down $10 for a mass effect mission.

RR360DD

diffrent choices,diffrent character builds, addons like the pitt,point lookout and broken steel add a lot to the game and all clock in about 3-4h long with a lot of exploring.The ME2 addon shadow broker is also fairly good aswell and brings in new squad members and choices which could most likely be transfered to ME3.

Least Fo3's Mothership zeta tried something totally diffrent..what does CoD do oh heres a few maps everyone is gonna skip cause they will inevitably suck or people just dont like them....

That's one way to look at it butwhat are the chances of it not happening.dreman999

Think about it this way. That $15 DLC will help you enjoy the game longer and will save you at least $45 (compared to $60 new game). In a way you're really saving money by buying DLC than a completey new game. And you can work on your skills on an existing investment.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="dreman999"]The fact they have $15 map packs for 4 maps says otherwise.Heroldp813

Umm do we not remember Horse Armor DLC or say DLC that is already shipped with the game but is only unlocked when you buy said DLC. Believe me its not just one game.

The worst one for me this year was Tiger Woods 12 - an even worse "value proposition" than Black Ops. The expansion packs for the courses were all released day 1 with the game, and totalled like $70 if you added them all up (the "Eagle Pack", "Birdie Pack", and the few other random courses and DLC's.

So basically for PS3/360 to get the same amount of courses included in the Wii version, you'd have to pay over $120-$130 to get the same amount of course content. More aggregiously, if you are playing your career, these courses all still appear in your game as events you have to skip. So basically it's a constant reminder if you want to play that course you have to pay extra for the DLC - you end up skipping almost half the tournaments!!!. I'd be fine with DLC if they did it another way, but in PGA tour it feels like half the content is just "missing". Especially when these courses all appear in the Wii version.

On a relatied note, that "in-game marketing" was one my my peeves with Dragon Age. Before the GOTY edition came out, there were people in the game trying to sell you quests - basically you'd be in the game and then all of a sudden it would ask you to visit the PSN store. It happened a couple of times that I remember. I was so annoyed I actually stopped playing the game when I saw that - how they would be so cheap to just break the immersion of the game to try and sell some DLC. But then I later picked up the "Ultimate Edition" anyway.

Doesn't make sense, not only are the Fallout and Mass Effect DLCs pretty bad, but after you play them there no incentive to play again.

RR360DD

None of that is true.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

LOL at people who think its okay to pay for DLC such as Fallout DLC or Mass Effect DLC, yet any mention of Black Ops DLC and OMG TOTAL RIPOFFF DUUUDE.

Doesn't make sense, not only are the Fallout and Mass Effect DLCs pretty bad, but after you play them there no incentive to play again. You would get FAR more value for you money paying $15 for BO multiplayer maps, than you would laying down $10 for a mass effect mission.

razgriz_101

diffrent choices,diffrent character builds, addons like the pitt,point lookout and broken steel add a lot to the game and all clock in about 3-4h long with a lot of exploring.The ME2 addon shadow broker is also fairly good aswell and brings in new squad members and choices which could most likely be transfered to ME3.

Least Fo3's Mothership zeta tried something totally diffrent..what does CoD do oh heres a few maps everyone is gonna skip cause they will inevitably suck or people just dont like them....

3-4 hours is petty when you think how much you could get out of Black Ops multiplayer pack. People probably clock in 3-4 hours a day on Black Ops, so value for you money is far greater.

Annd no, its not inevitable. The last COD game i bought competitive DLC for was COD4, and the maps were awesome, i used to always play on them. My bro loves black ops, and i know he'll get hours and hours out of the new Zombie map alone.

[QUOTE="dreman999"]That's one way to look at it butwhat are the chances of it not happening.IronBass

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Doesn't make sense, not only are the Fallout and Mass Effect DLCs pretty bad, but after you play them there no incentive to play again.

Phoenix534

None of that is true.

Are you really going to argue that theres more replay value in a mission, than there is in a multiplayer pack?

The thing with seeing most of the direction forthe game industry is simple. Who ever get the most money is fallowed as an example. Nintendo when casual and made moutians of Money. Microsoft and Sony soon followed suit. Why won't this happen with Activision and the rest of the game industry.dreman999

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[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

LOL at people who think its okay to pay for DLC such as Fallout DLC or Mass Effect DLC, yet any mention of Black Ops DLC and OMG TOTAL RIPOFFF DUUUDE.

Doesn't make sense, not only are the Fallout and Mass Effect DLCs pretty bad, but after you play them there no incentive to play again. You would get FAR more value for you money paying $15 for BO multiplayer maps, than you would laying down $10 for a mass effect mission.

RR360DD

diffrent choices,diffrent character builds, addons like the pitt,point lookout and broken steel add a lot to the game and all clock in about 3-4h long with a lot of exploring.The ME2 addon shadow broker is also fairly good aswell and brings in new squad members and choices which could most likely be transfered to ME3.

Least Fo3's Mothership zeta tried something totally diffrent..what does CoD do oh heres a few maps everyone is gonna skip cause they will inevitably suck or people just dont like them....

3-4 hours is petty when you think how much you could get out of Black Ops multiplayer pack. People probably clock in 3-4 hours a day on Black Ops, so value for you money is far greater.

Annd no, its not inevitable. The last COD game i bought competitive DLC for was COD4, and the maps were awesome, i used to always play on them. My bro loves black ops, and i know he'll get hours and hours out of the new Zombie map alone.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

diffrent choices,diffrent character builds, addons like the pitt,point lookout and broken steel add a lot to the game and all clock in about 3-4h long with a lot of exploring.The ME2 addon shadow broker is also fairly good aswell and brings in new squad members and choices which could most likely be transfered to ME3.

Least Fo3's Mothership zeta tried something totally diffrent..what does CoD do oh heres a few maps everyone is gonna skip cause they will inevitably suck or people just dont like them....

dreman999

3-4 hours is petty when you think how much you could get out of Black Ops multiplayer pack. People probably clock in 3-4 hours a day on Black Ops, so value for you money is far greater.

Annd no, its not inevitable. The last COD game i bought competitive DLC for was COD4, and the maps were awesome, i used to always play on them. My bro loves black ops, and i know he'll get hours and hours out of the new Zombie map alone.

:roll:

You play multiplayer for the challenge, you're always playing new people, and no two matches or the same, even IF on the same map.

As for the single player DLCs, you might play it two or three times at most (most will play it once) and thats it.

I think we all know which gives you more bang for your buck.

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Doesn't make sense, not only are the Fallout and Mass Effect DLCs pretty bad, but after you play them there no incentive to play again.

RR360DD

None of that is true.

Are you really going to argue that theres more replay value in a mission, than there is in a multiplayer pack?

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Doesn't make sense, not only are the Fallout and Mass Effect DLCs pretty bad, but after you play them there no incentive to play again.

RR360DD

None of that is true.

Are you really going to argue that theres more replay value in a mission, than there is in a multiplayer pack?

I didn't say that. What you said it that there is no reason to play those DLC expansions again, which is entirely untrue.

EvE Online started adding extra shirts that you can only buy with real money, the results were...

Catastrophic to say the best.

[QUOTE="110million"]I only buy expansion/mini-expansion DLCs, like what Fallout New Vegas or Mass Effect 2 had.dreman999

True, True.

Oh and worthless additions (horse armor), overpriced skins, unbalanced weapons, otherwise unobtainable hats, ect.

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

3-4 hours is petty when you think how much you could get out of Black Ops multiplayer pack. People probably clock in 3-4 hours a day on Black Ops, so value for you money is far greater.

Annd no, its not inevitable. The last COD game i bought competitive DLC for was COD4, and the maps were awesome, i used to always play on them. My bro loves black ops, and i know he'll get hours and hours out of the new Zombie map alone.

RR360DD

:roll:

You play multiplayer for the challenge, you're always playing new people, and no two matches or the same, even IF on the same map.

As for the single player DLCs, you might play it two or three times at most (most will play it once) and thats it.

I think we all know which gives you more bang for your buck.

EvE Online started adding extra shirts that you can only buy with real money, the results were...

Catastrophic to say the best.

Maroxad

I love that EVE Online is the kind of game where stuff like that can easily happen. EVE stories are always the best game stories you'll ever hear.

I'm still gonna download my free quest of the week from DQIX...

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="dreman999"]You 100 of hour of doing the same thing for gold stars compered to a games you can replay multiple time with the main story and dlc.heretrix

:roll:

You play multiplayer for the challenge, you're always playing new people, and no two matches or the same, even IF on the same map.

As for the single player DLCs, you might play it two or three times at most (most will play it once) and thats it.

I think we all know which gives you more bang for your buck.

Completely fair point. So people in here ragging on about how much of a rip Black Ops map packs are need to calm down. I know if i played that game as much as my bro, i'd get more than my moneys worth from 4 multiplayer maps and a zombie map.

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

3-4 hours is petty when you think how much you could get out of Black Ops multiplayer pack. People probably clock in 3-4 hours a day on Black Ops, so value for you money is far greater.

Annd no, its not inevitable. The last COD game i bought competitive DLC for was COD4, and the maps were awesome, i used to always play on them. My bro loves black ops, and i know he'll get hours and hours out of the new Zombie map alone.

RR360DD

:roll:

You play multiplayer for the challenge, you're always playing new people, and no two matches or the same, even IF on the same map.

As for the single player DLCs, you might play it two or three times at most (most will play it once) and thats it.

I think we all know which gives you more bang for your buck.

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

3-4 hours is petty when you think how much you could get out of Black Ops multiplayer pack. People probably clock in 3-4 hours a day on Black Ops, so value for you money is far greater.

Annd no, its not inevitable. The last COD game i bought competitive DLC for was COD4, and the maps were awesome, i used to always play on them. My bro loves black ops, and i know he'll get hours and hours out of the new Zombie map alone.

RR360DD

:roll:

You play multiplayer for the challenge, you're always playing new people, and no two matches or the same, even IF on the same map.

As for the single player DLCs, you might play it two or three times at most (most will play it once) and thats it.

I think we all know which gives you more bang for your buck.

Not really. Because if you were still playing the shooter, you could also easily play it WITHOUT the maps.

Additionally I would venture that offering actual content, like a story, with voice acting and plot, costs alot more money to make than throwing together map packs. Isn't it obvious that companies see the map packs as a gold mine? That's because it costs nothing for them to make. I'm not interested in padding Activision's profit margins with content that UNDOUBTEDLY they internally see as "fluff". I would perfer if they at least had to earn their money with offering me some actual gaming CONTENT for my money, not fluff.

Now I don't have a problem with the idea of offering additional maps. Hell, I bought the Vietnam expansion for BFBC2. I just don't like how Activision does it on such a consistent and planned basis - and even with BFBC I wish their was more content. Basically I see what they are doing as what's wrong with gaming right now (closing down studios, reducing new IP's, focusing more on annual installments w/ multiple planned out "map pack" releases for each game). Basically they think they can go on autopilot and make money, to me that tells me they must think i"m a sucker that's going to pay for their map pack without looking at what's really behind it.

Okay I will stop buying DLC because you told me to...

No I wont stop buying DLC because I personally think it adds more to the experience then in the past.

Fallout 3 is the prime example of why I love DLC

As for Black Ops if people play the game alot then the dlc pays for itself

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="dreman999"]You 100 of hour of doing the same thing for gold stars compered to a games you can replay multiple time with the main story and dlc.2Chalupas

:roll:

You play multiplayer for the challenge, you're always playing new people, and no two matches or the same, even IF on the same map.

As for the single player DLCs, you might play it two or three times at most (most will play it once) and thats it.

I think we all know which gives you more bang for your buck.

Not really. Because if you were still playing the shooter, you could also easily play it WITHOUT the maps.

Additionally I would venture that offering actual content, like a story, with voice acting and plot, costs alot more money to make than throwing together map packs. Isn't it obvious that companies see the map packs as a gold mine? That's because it costs nothing for them to make. I'm not interested in padding Activision's profit margins with content that UNDOUBTEDLY they internally see as "fluff". I would perfer if they at least had to earn their money with offering me some actualy gaming CONTENT for my money, not fluff.

Now I don't have a problem with the idea of offering additional maps. Hell, I bought the Vietnam expansion for BFBC2. I just don't like how Activision does it on such a consistent and planned basis. Basically I see what they are doing as what's wrong with gaming right now (closing down studios, reducing new IP's, focusing more on annual installments w/ multiple planned out "map pack" releases for each game).

Then thats fine, DONT BUY THEM. omg, people are ridiculous.

Black ops came out when? And how many Map packs have their been already?Honestly I Gamefly games (Unless its a must to but buy: GOW3, Skyrim, ME3) so it doesnt make sense to buy DLC. What keeps you buying DLC?

Heroldp813

They won't stop until it takes all their monies away. DLC is like the 80s all over again.

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

EvE Online started adding extra shirts that you can only buy with real money, the results were...

Catastrophic to say the best.

Phoenix534

I love that EVE Online is the kind of game where stuff like that can easily happen. EVE stories are always the best game stories you'll ever hear.

Indeed, EvE stories are very intriguing. But I suppose a lot of that has to do with the very nature of the game. We need more sandbox mmos with high production values.

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

EvE Online started adding extra shirts that you can only buy with real money, the results were...

Catastrophic to say the best.

Maroxad

I love that EVE Online is the kind of game where stuff like that can easily happen. EVE stories are always the best game stories you'll ever hear.

Indeed, EvE stories are very intriguing. But I suppose a lot of that has to do with the very nature of the game. We need more sandbox mmos with high production values.

If every MMO was as player controlled as EvE, I'd probably play MMOs.

I just bought a Killzone 3 DLC for five dollars that gave me four maps. Pretty good deal actually.

[QUOTE="LovePotionNo9"]

Think about it this way. That $15 DLC will help you enjoy the game longer and will save you at least $45 (compared to $60 new game). In a way you're really saving money by buying DLC than a completey new game. And you can work on your skills on an existing investment.

2Chalupas

Dumb argument. I could buy Tetris for $5 and spend 100's of hours on it. Or I could just buy nothing and stare at a wall. Then I'd be saving even more money!!!

I guess I'm just looking at it in a different way. For me it's not about what *I'm* spending. I look at what ACTIVISION is offering for the price they are charging for it. For me it just seems like a bad value. DLC is an obvious way for lazy companies to make money with minimal effort. Obviously very few companies are in a position to exploit their naive customers in a meaningful way, but with CoD it seems for 3 or 4 years they've been able to rehash the same game, and still sell millions of $15 extra map packs to the same recycled game. So in a sense they are not even double dipping, they are quintuple of septuple dipping. Who even knows at this point. I just feel like I'd have to be a sucker to buy one of their map packs.