Stop dreaming

about your consoles delivering super powerful graphics. there's no such thing like "mysterious hidden power", the truth is that we get many games with tearing, framerate and AA problems. I think that's not a small problem at all.

Devs should think about overcoming those problems, instead of telling us about the consoles' untapped power.

how can you build a house starting from the roof?

Stop dreaming and play multiplats on a decent Pc

Here's the thing though, not one console has ever been maxed out.

Will they look like Crysis one day? Obviously not but they look better and better every year.

Here's the thing though, not one console has ever been maxed out.

Will they look like Crysis one day? Obviously not but they look better and better every year.

JLF1

yes, at what cost? games running at 20 fps? no, thanks. that's the hardware, you can't pull a bunny out of that hat.

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

Here's the thing though, not one console has ever been maxed out.

Will they look like Crysis one day? Obviously not but they look better and better every year.

bandicoot89

yes, at what cost? games running at 20 fps? no, thanks. that's the hardware, you can't pull a bunny out of that hat.

I didn't know that Uncharted 2, Halo ODST, Modern Warfare 2, Demon's souls, Forza 3 etc etc ran ar 20fps?

What games have you been playing that's only running at 20fps?

[QUOTE="bandicoot89"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

Here's the thing though, not one console has ever been maxed out.

Will they look like Crysis one day? Obviously not but they look better and better every year.

JLF1

yes, at what cost? games running at 20 fps? no, thanks. that's the hardware, you can't pull a bunny out of that hat.

I didn't know that Uncharted 2, Halo ODST, Modern Warfare 2, Demon's souls, Forza 3 etc etc ran ar 20fps?

What games have you been playing that's only running at 20fps?

all I am saying is that the untapped power thing is a joke. You want power, Pc is the answer.

how are you not getting this? .

all I am saying is that the untapped power thing is a joke. You want power, Pc is the answer.

how are you not getting this? .

bandicoot89

No that's not at all what you said to me.

You said that games ran at 20fps on the consoles which frankly isn't true. When people say that PS3 and 360 games will look better in the future they aren't lying, every console has had better looking games for every year that they are on developed on.

It's true that the real power is on the PC but frankly it doesn't matter much when the best games on in it are unoptimized to actually run good. Take some of 2009's most interesting PC games like Cryostasis, Zeno Clash and Empire Total War. They were not really running good at all at release.

If you want POWER you should play on the PC but if you only care about games running good at a steady frame-rate then the consoles might be better as they are often much better optimized for their respective systems.

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

[QUOTE="bandicoot89"]

yes, at what cost? games running at 20 fps? no, thanks. that's the hardware, you can't pull a bunny out of that hat.

bandicoot89

I didn't know that Uncharted 2, Halo ODST, Modern Warfare 2, Demon's souls, Forza 3 etc etc ran ar 20fps?

What games have you been playing that's only running at 20fps?

all I am saying is that the untapped power thing is a joke. You want power, Pc is the answer.

how are you not getting this? .

PC's are a joke. Sure, lots of power running under the hood, but it's like buying a french car. It's gonna break down on you sooner rather than later, it's gonna need replacements, fixes, idiotic controls, not to mention too prone to damage by outside sources. Moving on from the car analogy, we have the games. The PC's games don't impress me. Sure, the games it does have looks great. But PS3, Wii, hell, even 360 exclusives completely overshadow anything the PC has for an exclusive, maybe WoW (rofl!)

Keep your power. I'll stick with efficiency and fun factor, thanks.

[QUOTE="bandicoot89"]

all I am saying is that the untapped power thing is a joke. You want power, Pc is the answer.

how are you not getting this? .

JLF1

No that's not at all what you said to me.

You said that games ran at 20fps on the consoles which frankly isn't true. When people say that PS3 and 360 games will look better in the future they aren't lying, every console has had better looking games for every year that they are on developed on.

It's true that the real power is on the PC but frankly it doesn't matter much when the best games on in it are unoptimized to actually run good. Take some of 2009's most interesting PC games like Cryostasis, Zeno Clash and Empire Total War. They were not really running good at all at release.

If you want POWER you should play on the PC but if you only care about games running good at a steady frame-rate then the consoles might be better as they are often much better optimized for their respective systems.

steady framerate on the consoles? that's something that only exclusive games and some multiplats seem to be capable to do. for the rest gamers are filled with patches all the time, because often games have issues. actually "we" are the beta testers, devs hear our complaints and then we get the patch. how sad. so I'd rather play multiplats on Pc, patch or not, at least I really get a better performance.

Think what you like, but you cant escape that playing on a console is more comfortable and fun that playing on a PC.

[QUOTE="bandicoot89"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

I didn't know that Uncharted 2, Halo ODST, Modern Warfare 2, Demon's souls, Forza 3 etc etc ran ar 20fps?

What games have you been playing that's only running at 20fps?

Khadaj32

all I am saying is that the untapped power thing is a joke. You want power, Pc is the answer.

how are you not getting this? .

PC's are a joke. Sure, lots of power running under the hood, but it's like buying a french car. It's gonna break down on you sooner rather than later, it's gonna need replacements, fixes, idiotic controls, not to mention too prone to getting owned by outside sources.

Keep your power. I'll stick with efficiency, thanks.

efficiency on the consoles? I lol'd maybe you mean "deficiency"?

[QUOTE="bandicoot89"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

I didn't know that Uncharted 2, Halo ODST, Modern Warfare 2, Demon's souls, Forza 3 etc etc ran ar 20fps?

What games have you been playing that's only running at 20fps?

Khadaj32

all I am saying is that the untapped power thing is a joke. You want power, Pc is the answer.

how are you not getting this? .

PC's are a joke. Sure, lots of power running under the hood, but it's like buying a french car. It's gonna break down on you sooner rather than later, it's gonna need replacements, fixes, idiotic controls, not to mention too prone to damage by outside sources. Moving on from the car analogy, we have the games. The PC's games don't impress me. Sure, the games it does have looks great. But PS3, Wii, hell, even 360 exclusives completely overshadow anything the PC has for an exclusive, maybe WoW (rofl!)

Keep your power. I'll stick with efficiency and fun factor, thanks.

that's actually what the current consoles lack, or rather, that's what current games lack. I'd rather they gave me games without tearing and framedrop probs, than delivering the utopian marvellous graphics.

[QUOTE="bandicoot89"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

I didn't know that Uncharted 2, Halo ODST, Modern Warfare 2, Demon's souls, Forza 3 etc etc ran ar 20fps?

What games have you been playing that's only running at 20fps?

Khadaj32

all I am saying is that the untapped power thing is a joke. You want power, Pc is the answer.

how are you not getting this? .

PC's are a joke. Sure, lots of power running under the hood, but it's like buying a french car. It's gonna break down on you sooner rather than later, it's gonna need replacements, fixes, idiotic controls, not to mention too prone to damage by outside sources. Moving on from the car analogy, we have the games. The PC's games don't impress me. Sure, the games it does have looks great. But PS3, Wii, hell, even 360 exclusives completely overshadow anything the PC has for an exclusive, maybe WoW (rofl!)

Keep your power. I'll stick with efficiency and fun factor, thanks.

2 years ago i only needed 400-500$ to play Crysis, currently if you can run Crysis you can run everything

Some how a group of fanboys still believe that their console can deliver untapped power.Tessellation

Other group of fanboys do that too

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]Some how a group of fanboys still believe that their console can deliver untapped power.ShadowriverUB

Other group of fanboys do that too

about your consoles delivering super powerful graphics. there's no such thing like "mysterious hidden power", the truth is that we get many games with tearing, framerate and AA problems. I think that's not a small problem at all.

Devs should think about overcoming those problems, instead of telling us about the consoles' untapped power.

how can you build a house starting from the roof?

wirey87

So PC never has any graphical problems? Is that what you are trying to imply with this not-so-veiled attack on consoles? Because I think you and I both know that isn't true. And if it isn't true, you clearly have no point to what you have posted and have no idea what you are talking about.

[QUOTE="wirey87"]

about your consoles delivering super powerful graphics. there's no such thing like "mysterious hidden power", the truth is that we get many games with tearing, framerate and AA problems. I think that's not a small problem at all.

Devs should think about overcoming those problems, instead of telling us about the consoles' untapped power.

how can you build a house starting from the roof?

ZIMdoom

So PC never has any graphical problems? Is that what you are trying to imply with this not-so-veiled attack on consoles? Because I think you and I both know that isn't true. And if it isn't true, you clearly have no point to what you have posted and have no idea what you are talking about.

[QUOTE="Khadaj32"]

[QUOTE="bandicoot89"]

all I am saying is that the untapped power thing is a joke. You want power, Pc is the answer.

how are you not getting this? .

ShadowriverUB

PC's are a joke. Sure, lots of power running under the hood, but it's like buying a french car. It's gonna break down on you sooner rather than later, it's gonna need replacements, fixes, idiotic controls, not to mention too prone to damage by outside sources. Moving on from the car analogy, we have the games. The PC's games don't impress me. Sure, the games it does have looks great. But PS3, Wii, hell, even 360 exclusives completely overshadow anything the PC has for an exclusive, maybe WoW (rofl!)

Keep your power. I'll stick with efficiency and fun factor, thanks.

2 years ago i only needed 400-500$ to play Crysis, currently if you can run Crysis you can run everything

[QUOTE="bandicoot89"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

I didn't know that Uncharted 2, Halo ODST, Modern Warfare 2, Demon's souls, Forza 3 etc etc ran ar 20fps?

What games have you been playing that's only running at 20fps?

Khadaj32

all I am saying is that the untapped power thing is a joke. You want power, Pc is the answer.

how are you not getting this? .

PC's are a joke. Sure, lots of power running under the hood, but it's like buying a french car. It's gonna break down on you sooner rather than later, it's gonna need replacements, fixes, idiotic controls, not to mention too prone to damage by outside sources. Moving on from the car analogy, we have the games. The PC's games don't impress me. Sure, the games it does have looks great. But PS3, Wii, hell, even 360 exclusives completely overshadow anything the PC has for an exclusive, maybe WoW (rofl!)

Keep your power. I'll stick with efficiency and fun factor, thanks.

ohhhhhhh do you actually have ANY idea about french cars?

I'm gonna hit my head against something, so I feel the pain for you.

jeez.

he does have a point, devs build most of the games with consoles in mind, yet they often fail to deliver an acceptable final product in terms of issues. the last example is Darksiders on Xbox 360, we're still waiting for the patch to fix the horrible tearing, aren't we? and what about AC2 on the ps3? why are we always talking about the console power, when we still keep getting broken games?pitty8982

And how many games on the PC have slowdown, tearing, pop-in, crash, driver issues, etc, etc, etc.? I'd argue the percentage is the same. I would also argue that the not-as-huge PC games have the same issues of developers not providing timely patches, if they do at all. So to say this is a console problem is just flat out lying. And to argue that this is some sort of sign of consoles not showing improved graphics through their lifespan is just delusional.

p.s. I have AC2 and I haven't noticed any issues. So I don't know where you get this "broken game" crap from.

[QUOTE="pitty8982"]he does have a point, devs build most of the games with consoles in mind, yet they often fail to deliver an acceptable final product in terms of issues. the last example is Darksiders on Xbox 360, we're still waiting for the patch to fix the horrible tearing, aren't we? and what about AC2 on the ps3? why are we always talking about the console power, when we still keep getting broken games?ZIMdoom

And how many games on the PC have slowdown, tearing, pop-in, crash, driver issues, etc, etc, etc.? I'd argue the percentage is the same. I would also argue that the not-as-huge PC games have the same issues of developers not providing timely patches, if they do at all. So to say this is a console problem is just flat out lying. And to argue that this is some sort of sign of consoles not showing improved graphics through their lifespan is just delusional.

p.s. I have AC2 and I haven't noticed any issues. So I don't know where you get this "broken game" crap from.

AC2 on the Ps3 does suffer from tearing and frame skipping! on the xbox 360 it looks almost acceptable.

I'm building myself a Pc gaming because I got tired of playing those full-of-flaws games, and according to the guys on the Pc section, here on SW, multiplats perform much better on Pc, provided that you got a decent rig of course. and I don't think that all of them are lying just to support Pc over consoles.

Instead I guess you don't wanna admit that many games on the consoles have a sucky performance!

[QUOTE="pitty8982"]he does have a point, devs build most of the gam:roll:es with consoles in mind, yet they often fail to deliver an acceptable final product in terms of issues. the last example is Darksiders on Xbox 360, we're still waiting for the patch to fix the horrible tearing, aren't we? and what about AC2 on the ps3? why are we always talking about the console power, when we still keep getting broken games?ZIMdoom

And how many games on the PC have slowdown, tearing, pop-in, crash, driver issues, etc, etc, etc.? I'd argue the percentage is the same. I would also argue that the not-as-huge PC games have the same issues of developers not providing timely patches, if they do at all. So to say this is a console problem is just flat out lying. And to argue that this is some sort of sign of consoles not showing improved graphics through their lifespan is just delusional.

p.s. I have AC2 and I haven't noticed any issues. So I don't know where you get this "broken game" crap from.

Multiplats have an overall better performance on Pc than on the consoles: Fact.

They're not immune to problems, but most of them do run better on Pc. Fact.

you haven't noticed any issues on AC2? strange things happen :roll:

Didn't we already go through this discussion in another thread not even 2 days ago? :roll:

Think what you like, but you cant escape that playing on a console is more comfortable and fun that playing on a PC.

Hathesulacon

[QUOTE="bandicoot89"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

I didn't know that Uncharted 2, Halo ODST, Modern Warfare 2, Demon's souls, Forza 3 etc etc ran ar 20fps?

What games have you been playing that's only running at 20fps?

Khadaj32

all I am saying is that the untapped power thing is a joke. You want power, Pc is the answer.

how are you not getting this? .

PC's are a joke. Sure, lots of power running under the hood, but it's like buying a french car. It's gonna break down on you sooner rather than later, it's gonna need replacements, fixes, idiotic controls, not to mention too prone to damage by outside sources. Moving on from the car analogy, we have the games. The PC's games don't impress me. Sure, the games it does have looks great. But PS3, Wii, hell, even 360 exclusives completely overshadow anything the PC has for an exclusive, maybe WoW (rofl!)

Keep your power. I'll stick with efficiency and fun factor, thanks.

[QUOTE="Hathesulacon"]

Think what you like, but you cant escape that playing on a console is more comfortable and fun that playing on a PC.

lowe0

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

[QUOTE="pitty8982"]he does have a point, devs build most of the games with consoles in mind, yet they often fail to deliver an acceptable final product in terms of issues. the last example is Darksiders on Xbox 360, we're still waiting for the patch to fix the horrible tearing, aren't we? and what about AC2 on the ps3? why are we always talking about the console power, when we still keep getting broken games?aia89

And how many games on the PC have slowdown, tearing, pop-in, crash, driver issues, etc, etc, etc.? I'd argue the percentage is the same. I would also argue that the not-as-huge PC games have the same issues of developers not providing timely patches, if they do at all. So to say this is a console problem is just flat out lying. And to argue that this is some sort of sign of consoles not showing improved graphics through their lifespan is just delusional.

p.s. I have AC2 and I haven't noticed any issues. So I don't know where you get this "broken game" crap from.

AC2 on the Ps3 does suffer from tearing and frame skipping! on the xbox 360 it looks almost acceptable.

I'm building myself a Pc gaming because I got tired of playing those full-of-flaws games, and according to the guys on the Pc section, here on SW, multiplats perform much better on Pc, provided that you got a decent rig of course. and I don't think that all of them are lying just to support Pc over consoles.

Instead I guess you don't wanna admit that many games on the consoles have a sucky performance!

If it does, I haven't ever noticed it...so the game couldn't be so horrible as to be considered "broken." Sounds like nitpicking to me. And anyone can nitpick any game...that includes on PC.

I'm not saying the hermits are lying, I'm sure they believe what they are saying 110%...but that doesn't make it fact. This is SW after all and the hermits are just as big of fanboys as anyone else here.

Unless a device is underclocked, I doubt there would be "untapped power" by the OP's definition. It would be silly to say games don't progressively look better over a console's lifespan. It's not so much untapping hardware power as it is developers learning to work with the hardware efficiently and even learning what corners can be cut and where. I don't imagine too many rational people are expecting large graphical or performance gains this late in the generation.

" yes, at what cost? games running at 20 fps? no, thanks. that's the hardware, you can't pull a bunny out of that hat."

Well thing is, i've seen a bunny come out of a hat, sooo... your wrong :P

[QUOTE="aia89"]

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

And how many games on the PC have slowdown, tearing, pop-in, crash, driver issues, etc, etc, etc.? I'd argue the percentage is the same. I would also argue that the not-as-huge PC games have the same issues of developers not providing timely patches, if they do at all. So to say this is a console problem is just flat out lying. And to argue that this is some sort of sign of consoles not showing improved graphics through their lifespan is just delusional.

p.s. I have AC2 and I haven't noticed any issues. So I don't know where you get this "broken game" crap from.

ZIMdoom

AC2 on the Ps3 does suffer from tearing and frame skipping! on the xbox 360 it looks almost acceptable.

I'm building myself a Pc gaming because I got tired of playing those full-of-flaws games, and according to the guys on the Pc section, here on SW, multiplats perform much better on Pc, provided that you got a decent rig of course. and I don't think that all of them are lying just to support Pc over consoles.

Instead I guess you don't wanna admit that many games on the consoles have a sucky performance!

If it does, I haven't ever noticed it...so the game couldn't be so horrible as to be considered "broken." Sounds like nitpicking to me. And anyone can nitpick any game...that includes on PC.

I'm not saying the hermits are lying, I'm sure they believe what they are saying 110%...but that doesn't make it fact. This is SW after all and the hermits are just as big of fanboys as anyone else here.

[QUOTE="aia89"]

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

And how many games on the PC have slowdown, tearing, pop-in, crash, driver issues, etc, etc, etc.? I'd argue the percentage is the same. I would also argue that the not-as-huge PC games have the same issues of developers not providing timely patches, if they do at all. So to say this is a console problem is just flat out lying. And to argue that this is some sort of sign of consoles not showing improved graphics through their lifespan is just delusional.

p.s. I have AC2 and I haven't noticed any issues. So I don't know where you get this "broken game" crap from.

ZIMdoom

AC2 on the Ps3 does suffer from tearing and frame skipping! on the xbox 360 it looks almost acceptable.

I'm building myself a Pc gaming because I got tired of playing those full-of-flaws games, and according to the guys on the Pc section, here on SW, multiplats perform much better on Pc, provided that you got a decent rig of course. and I don't think that all of them are lying just to support Pc over consoles.

Instead I guess you don't wanna admit that many games on the consoles have a sucky performance!

If it does, I haven't ever noticed it...so the game couldn't be so horrible as to be considered "broken." Sounds like nitpicking to me. And anyone can nitpick any game...that includes on PC.

I'm not saying the hermits are lying, I'm sure they believe what they are saying 110%...but that doesn't make it fact. This is SW after all and the hermits are just as big of fanboys as anyone else here.

my bad, I meant the gusy from the pc forum, not SW.

anyway, if you finished AC2, I cannot believe you didn't notice any screen tearings and framedrops. it's not like ps3 makes different hardware for each console...

We all know that this gen´s consoles have 5 years old technology. Still we have to agree that latest games like Gears2, KZ2, Uncharted2, AC2 and upcoming ones like Alan wake, Heavy Rain, Crysis2, Rage, etc look ALOT better than the ones that came at the beggining of the gen. I actually think that devs have been doing an excelent job with 360 and PS3 making their games almost able to compete with most recent PC games.