Stop using the ''but Microsoft is rich'' argument

If you think Microsoft's gaming devision cannot go bankrupt...think again.

There is the Antitrust law for that. Microsoft can't use their money they earned with their Windows division for their Gaming Devision. So if the Gaming Devision goes bankrupt...its bankrupt...simple as that. If they do not obey this rule they will get punished for breaking a law. And the goverment and shareholders will not be very happy with that...

A business with a monopoly over certain products or services may be in violation of antitrust laws if it has abused its dominant position or market power. Although not all anti-competitive behavior which is subject to antitrust laws involve illegal cartels or trusts, the following types of activity are generally prohibited.

• Bid rigging - A form of price fixing and market allocation, and involves an agreement in which one party of a group of bidders will be designated to win the bid
• Predatory pricing - The practice of a firm selling a product at very low price with the intent of driving competitors out of the market, or create a barrier to entry into the market for potential new competitors
• Price fixing - An agreement between business competitors selling the same product or service regarding its pricing
• Tying - The practice of making the sale of one good conditional on the purchase of a second distinctive good
• Vendor lock-in - Is a situation in which a customer is so dependent on a vendor for products and services that he or she cannot move to another vendor without substantial switching costs, real and/or perceived
• Geographic allocation - An agreement between competitors not to compete within each other's geographic territories.
• Walker Process fraud - Illegal monopolization through the maintenance and enforcement of a patent obtained via fraud on the Patent Office (the term comes from the Supreme Court case Walker Process Equipment, Inc. v. Food Machinery & Chemical Corp., 382 U.S. 172 (1965).

Its actually Microsoft that should be compared to Sega... not Sony...

So, due to anti trust law, Sony can not use earning from their gaming division to support their electronic division? ...let's think...only profit that Sony made for past year has been from the gaming division, so how come their electronic division did not go into bankcrupty? How come?

If you think Microsoft's gaming devision cannot go bankrupt...think again.

There is the Antitrust law for that. Microsoft can't use their money they earned with their Windows division for their Gaming Devision. So if the Gaming Devision goes bankrupt...its bankrupt...simple as that. If they do not obey this rule they will get punished for breaking a law. And the goverment and shareholders will not be very happy with that...

A business with a monopoly over certain products or services may be in violation of antitrust laws if it has abused its dominant position or market power. Although not all anti-competitive behavior which is subject to antitrust laws involve illegal cartels or trusts, the following types of activity are generally prohibited.

• Bid rigging - A form of price fixing and market allocation, and involves an agreement in which one party of a group of bidders will be designated to win the bid
• Predatory pricing - The practice of a firm selling a product at very low price with the intent of driving competitors out of the market, or create a barrier to entry into the market for potential new competitors
• Price fixing - An agreement between business competitors selling the same product or service regarding its pricing
• Tying - The practice of making the sale of one good conditional on the purchase of a second distinctive good
• Vendor lock-in - Is a situation in which a customer is so dependent on a vendor for products and services that he or she cannot move to another vendor without substantial switching costs, real and/or perceived
• Geographic allocation - An agreement between competitors not to compete within each other's geographic territories.
• Walker Process fraud - Illegal monopolization through the maintenance and enforcement of a patent obtained via fraud on the Patent Office (the term comes from the Supreme Court case Walker Process Equipment, Inc. v. Food Machinery & Chemical Corp., 382 U.S. 172 (1965).

Its actually Microsoft that should be compared to Sega... not Sony...

PullTheTricker

So, due to anti trust law, Sony can not use earning from their gaming division to support their electronic division? ...let's think...only profit that Sony made for past year has been from the gaming division, so how come their electronic division did not go into bankcrupty? How come?

jiggawho2006

I think this only applies to American companies and Sony is not American. We have laws set up that make monopolies illegal, I don't know about Japan.

So, due to anti trust law, Sony can not use earning from their gaming division to support their electronic division? ...let's think...only profit that Sony made for past year has been from the gaming division, so how come their electronic division did not go into bankcrupty? How come?

jiggawho2006

only profit that Sony made for past year has been from the gaming division, so how come their electronic division did not go into bankcrupty?

jiggawho2006

Sony's electronic division is profitable? is that why they're in debt in loans? They had to borrow money to cover "battery bomb."   Is that why their value in the market dropped 40% because it's so profitable? Is that why they're in billions in debt? WOW, i didn't realize profitable = debt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony 

MS is rich...that's reality.

Why dodge reality? Very few companies could lose as much money as MS did on the original Xbox and keep going (Sony is not one of them).

[QUOTE="jiggawho2006"]

So, due to anti trust law, Sony can not use earning from their gaming division to support their electronic division? ...let's think...only profit that Sony made for past year has been from the gaming division, so how come their electronic division did not go into bankcrupty? How come?

Ragnarok1051

I think this only applies to American companies and Sony is not American. We have laws set up that make monopolies illegal, I don't know about Japan.

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="jiggawho2006"]

So, due to anti trust law, Sony can not use earning from their gaming division to support their electronic division? ...let's think...only profit that Sony made for past year has been from the gaming division, so how come their electronic division did not go into bankcrupty? How come?

Ontain

I think this only applies to American companies and Sony is not American. We have laws set up that make monopolies illegal, I don't know about Japan.

Yeah didn't think of that, doesn't make me clueless though:roll:. I only stayed awake through half of Econimics class:P

[QUOTE="PullTheTricker"]

If you think Microsoft's gaming devision cannot go bankrupt...think again.

There is the Antitrust law for that. Microsoft can't use their money they earned with their Windows division for their Gaming Devision. So if the Gaming Devision goes bankrupt...its bankrupt...simple as that. If they do not obey this rule they will get punished for breaking a law. And the goverment and shareholders will not be very happy with that...

A business with a monopoly over certain products or services may be in violation of antitrust laws if it has abused its dominant position or market power. Although not all anti-competitive behavior which is subject to antitrust laws involve illegal cartels or trusts, the following types of activity are generally prohibited.

• Bid rigging - A form of price fixing and market allocation, and involves an agreement in which one party of a group of bidders will be designated to win the bid
• Predatory pricing - The practice of a firm selling a product at very low price with the intent of driving competitors out of the market, or create a barrier to entry into the market for potential new competitors
• Price fixing - An agreement between business competitors selling the same product or service regarding its pricing
• Tying - The practice of making the sale of one good conditional on the purchase of a second distinctive good
• Vendor lock-in - Is a situation in which a customer is so dependent on a vendor for products and services that he or she cannot move to another vendor without substantial switching costs, real and/or perceived
• Geographic allocation - An agreement between competitors not to compete within each other's geographic territories.
• Walker Process fraud - Illegal monopolization through the maintenance and enforcement of a patent obtained via fraud on the Patent Office (the term comes from the Supreme Court case Walker Process Equipment, Inc. v. Food Machinery & Chemical Corp., 382 U.S. 172 (1965).

Its actually Microsoft that should be compared to Sega... not Sony...

Danthegamingman

If you think Microsoft's gaming devision cannot go bankrupt...think again.

There is the Antitrust law for that. Microsoft can't use their money they earned with their Windows division for their Gaming Devision. So if the Gaming Devision goes bankrupt...its bankrupt...simple as that. If they do not obey this rule they will get punished for breaking a law. And the goverment and shareholders will not be very happy with that...

A business with a monopoly over certain products or services may be in violation of antitrust laws if it has abused its dominant position or market power. Although not all anti-competitive behavior which is subject to antitrust laws involve illegal cartels or trusts, the following types of activity are generally prohibited.

• Bid rigging - A form of price fixing and market allocation, and involves an agreement in which one party of a group of bidders will be designated to win the bid
• Predatory pricing - The practice of a firm selling a product at very low price with the intent of driving competitors out of the market, or create a barrier to entry into the market for potential new competitors
• Price fixing - An agreement between business competitors selling the same product or service regarding its pricing
• Tying - The practice of making the sale of one good conditional on the purchase of a second distinctive good
• Vendor lock-in - Is a situation in which a customer is so dependent on a vendor for products and services that he or she cannot move to another vendor without substantial switching costs, real and/or perceived
• Geographic allocation - An agreement between competitors not to compete within each other's geographic territories.
• Walker Process fraud - Illegal monopolization through the maintenance and enforcement of a patent obtained via fraud on the Patent Office (the term comes from the Supreme Court case Walker Process Equipment, Inc. v. Food Machinery & Chemical Corp., 382 U.S. 172 (1965).

Its actually Microsoft that should be compared to Sega... not Sony...

PullTheTricker

If you think Microsoft's gaming devision cannot go bankrupt...think again.

There is the Antitrust law for that. Microsoft can't use their money they earned with their Windows division for their Gaming Devision. So if the Gaming Devision goes bankrupt...its bankrupt...simple as that. If they do not obey this rule they will get punished for breaking a law. And the goverment and shareholders will not be very happy with that...

A business with a monopoly over certain products or services may be in violation of antitrust laws if it has abused its dominant position or market power. Although not all anti-competitive behavior which is subject to antitrust laws involve illegal cartels or trusts, the following types of activity are generally prohibited.

• Bid rigging - A form of price fixing and market allocation, and involves an agreement in which one party of a group of bidders will be designated to win the bid
• Predatory pricing - The practice of a firm selling a product at very low price with the intent of driving competitors out of the market, or create a barrier to entry into the market for potential new competitors
• Price fixing - An agreement between business competitors selling the same product or service regarding its pricing
• Tying - The practice of making the sale of one good conditional on the purchase of a second distinctive good
• Vendor lock-in - Is a situation in which a customer is so dependent on a vendor for products and services that he or she cannot move to another vendor without substantial switching costs, real and/or perceived
• Geographic allocation - An agreement between competitors not to compete within each other's geographic territories.
• Walker Process fraud - Illegal monopolization through the maintenance and enforcement of a patent obtained via fraud on the Patent Office (the term comes from the Supreme Court case Walker Process Equipment, Inc. v. Food Machinery & Chemical Corp., 382 U.S. 172 (1965).

Its actually Microsoft that should be compared to Sega... not Sony...

PullTheTricker

You're absolutely 100% wrong.

Microsoft can and does use money from other divisions to cover the losses of their game division. The "Entertainment and Devices" division has yet to turn a profit for Microsoft, it has lost hundreds of millions of dollars (a few billion, actually.) In fact, it is not expected to turn a profit until 2008 ( http://www.gamespot.com/news/6154809.html .) How in the world do you think Microsoft would be able to sustain a division that loses billions of dollars without dipping into their other divisions' profits? Common sense, Einstein.

There is absolutely nothing in your post about the anti-trust ruling against Microsoft that prohibits them from using the company's overall gross profits to cover the Entertainment and Devices division's enormous overall losses, otherwise that department would have been declared bankrupt long ago. Your claim has aboslutely nothing to do with anti-trust regulations.

Please, do some research before you post threads... this forum is bad enough as it is.

You're absolutely 100% wrong.

Microsoft can and does use money from other divisions to cover the losses of their game division. The "Entertainment and Devices" division has yet to turn a profit for Microsoft, it has lost hundreds of millions of dollars (a few billions, in fact.) In fact, it is not expected to turn a profit until 2008 ( http://www.gamespot.com/news/6154809.html .) How in the world do you think Microsoft sustains a division that loses billions of dollars? Common sense, Einstein.

There is absolutely nothing in your post about the anti-trust ruling against Microsoft that prohibits them from using the company's overall gross profits to cover the Entertainment and Devices division's enormous overall losses, otherwise that department would have been declared bankrupt long ago.

Please, do some research before you post threads, this forum is bad enough as it is.

Buff-McBlumpkin

    He is also correct.

[QUOTE="PullTheTricker"]

If you think Microsoft's gaming devision cannot go bankrupt...think again.

There is the Antitrust law for that. Microsoft can't use their money they earned with their Windows division for their Gaming Devision. So if the Gaming Devision goes bankrupt...its bankrupt...simple as that. If they do not obey this rule they will get punished for breaking a law. And the goverment and shareholders will not be very happy with that...

A business with a monopoly over certain products or services may be in violation of antitrust laws if it has abused its dominant position or market power. Although not all anti-competitive behavior which is subject to antitrust laws involve illegal cartels or trusts, the following types of activity are generally prohibited.

• Bid rigging - A form of price fixing and market allocation, and involves an agreement in which one party of a group of bidders will be designated to win the bid
• Predatory pricing - The practice of a firm selling a product at very low price with the intent of driving competitors out of the market, or create a barrier to entry into the market for potential new competitors
• Price fixing - An agreement between business competitors selling the same product or service regarding its pricing
• Tying - The practice of making the sale of one good conditional on the purchase of a second distinctive good
• Vendor lock-in - Is a situation in which a customer is so dependent on a vendor for products and services that he or she cannot move to another vendor without substantial switching costs, real and/or perceived
• Geographic allocation - An agreement between competitors not to compete within each other's geographic territories.
• Walker Process fraud - Illegal monopolization through the maintenance and enforcement of a patent obtained via fraud on the Patent Office (the term comes from the Supreme Court case Walker Process Equipment, Inc. v. Food Machinery & Chemical Corp., 382 U.S. 172 (1965).

Its actually Microsoft that should be compared to Sega... not Sony...

SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="PullTheTricker"]

If you think Microsoft's gaming devision cannot go bankrupt...think again.

There is the Antitrust law for that. Microsoft can't use their money they earned with their Windows division for their Gaming Devision. So if the Gaming Devision goes bankrupt...its bankrupt...simple as that. If they do not obey this rule they will get punished for breaking a law. And the goverment and shareholders will not be very happy with that...

A business with a monopoly over certain products or services may be in violation of antitrust laws if it has abused its dominant position or market power. Although not all anti-competitive behavior which is subject to antitrust laws involve illegal cartels or trusts, the following types of activity are generally prohibited.

• Bid rigging - A form of price fixing and market allocation, and involves an agreement in which one party of a group of bidders will be designated to win the bid
• Predatory pricing - The practice of a firm selling a product at very low price with the intent of driving competitors out of the market, or create a barrier to entry into the market for potential new competitors
• Price fixing - An agreement between business competitors selling the same product or service regarding its pricing
• Tying - The practice of making the sale of one good conditional on the purchase of a second distinctive good
• Vendor lock-in - Is a situation in which a customer is so dependent on a vendor for products and services that he or she cannot move to another vendor without substantial switching costs, real and/or perceived
• Geographic allocation - An agreement between competitors not to compete within each other's geographic territories.
• Walker Process fraud - Illegal monopolization through the maintenance and enforcement of a patent obtained via fraud on the Patent Office (the term comes from the Supreme Court case Walker Process Equipment, Inc. v. Food Machinery & Chemical Corp., 382 U.S. 172 (1965).

Its actually Microsoft that should be compared to Sega... not Sony...

Buff-McBlumpkin

You're absolutely 100% wrong.

Microsoft can and does use money from other divisions to cover the losses of their game division. The "Entertainment and Devices" division has yet to turn a profit for Microsoft, it has lost hundreds of millions of dollars (a few billion, actually.) In fact, it is not expected to turn a profit until 2008 ( http://www.gamespot.com/news/6154809.html .) How in the world do you think Microsoft would be able to sustain a division that loses billions of dollars without dipping into their other divisions' profits? Common sense, Einstein.

There is absolutely nothing in your post about the anti-trust ruling against Microsoft that prohibits them from using the company's overall gross profits to cover the Entertainment and Devices division's enormous overall losses, otherwise that department would have been declared bankrupt long ago. Your claim has aboslutely nothing to do with anti-trust regulations.

Please, do some research before you post threads... this forum is bad enough as it is.

word of fact :
bill gates is the richest man in the world for over 10 years and now hes got 56 billion$

 ROCKINGFOOL

An even simpler way to put it would be if Microsoft could only use money generated from a specific division in that exact division than how would they start new ones? If they were only able to pay for the Entertainment and Devices (gaming) division with gross profits from said division (of which there have never been) then how exactly do you plan to cover the enormous cost it takes to start that division?

If you think Microsoft's gaming devision cannot go bankrupt...think again.

There is the Antitrust law for that. Microsoft can't use their money they earned with their Windows division for their Gaming Devision. So if the Gaming Devision goes bankrupt...its bankrupt...simple as that. If they do not obey this rule they will get punished for breaking a law. And the goverment and shareholders will not be very happy with that...

A business with a monopoly over certain products or services may be in violation of antitrust laws if it has abused its dominant position or market power. Although not all anti-competitive behavior which is subject to antitrust laws involve illegal cartels or trusts, the following types of activity are generally prohibited.

• Bid rigging - A form of price fixing and market allocation, and involves an agreement in which one party of a group of bidders will be designated to win the bid
• Predatory pricing - The practice of a firm selling a product at very low price with the intent of driving competitors out of the market, or create a barrier to entry into the market for potential new competitors
• Price fixing - An agreement between business competitors selling the same product or service regarding its pricing
• Tying - The practice of making the sale of one good conditional on the purchase of a second distinctive good
• Vendor lock-in - Is a situation in which a customer is so dependent on a vendor for products and services that he or she cannot move to another vendor without substantial switching costs, real and/or perceived
• Geographic allocation - An agreement between competitors not to compete within each other's geographic territories.
• Walker Process fraud - Illegal monopolization through the maintenance and enforcement of a patent obtained via fraud on the Patent Office (the term comes from the Supreme Court case Walker Process Equipment, Inc. v. Food Machinery & Chemical Corp., 382 U.S. 172 (1965).

Its actually Microsoft that should be compared to Sega... not Sony...

PullTheTricker

Sony's electronic division is profitable? is that why they're in debt in loans? They had to borrow money to cover "battery bomb." Is that why their value in the market dropped 40% because it's so profitable? Is that why they're in billions in debt? WOW, i didn't realize profitable = debt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony

jiggawho2006

[QUOTE="jiggawho2006"]

So, due to anti trust law, Sony can not use earning from their gaming division to support their electronic division? ...let's think...only profit that Sony made for past year has been from the gaming division, so how come their electronic division did not go into bankcrupty? How come?

ramey70

Indeed. One can only imagine what a few sheiks in the U.A.E. and Kuwait are worth. ramey70

[QUOTE="ramey70"]Indeed. One can only imagine what a few sheiks in the U.A.E. and Kuwait are worth. cobrax25

Just to throw this out there. Didn't the anti-trust law that was supposedly going to divide MS in two get thrown out on the appeal?DrHyde

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="ramey70"]Indeed. One can only imagine what a few sheiks in the U.A.E. and Kuwait are worth. ramey70