Stop whining about biased reviews...

Gamespot is not biased. Sure they have an occasional outlier like Zelda or R&C, but these are the exceptions not the norm. Gamespot has always judged games a little harsher than the majority of other sites.

The fact of the matter is that the xbox360 has had an AMAZING run of games. In less than 2 years it has 5 of the top 50 games off all time. Check gamerankings.com if you think Gamespot is biased. Gamerankings averages all the major reviewers and gives you an average for every game ever made. There are 5 xbox360 games in the top 50, 1 Wii game, and 0 PS3. Gamespot seems to favor xbox360 because xbox360 has the better games. Deal with it.

Here are the top 5 360 games if your interested.

#3 - The orange Box

#11 - Bioshock

#30 - Oblivion

#35 - Gears of War

#42 Halo 3

Wii has Twilight Princess at #29

PS3s best title is Oblivion at #51. It doesn't have another title in the top 200. I don't think R&C have enough reviews in to qualify yet, so it might have an outside shot to land somewhere in the high 170-200 range.

XBOX360 has AAA games on gamespot because the system has some of the greatest games ever made. End of story. Learn to deal with it.

Gamespot is not biased. Sure they have an occasional outlier like Zelda or R&C, but these are the exceptions not the norm. Gamespot has always judged games a little harsher than the majority of other sites.

The fact of the matter is that the xbox360 has had an AMAZING run of games. In less than 2 years it has 5 of the top 50 games off all time. Check gamerankings.com if you think Gamespot is biased. Gamerankings averages all the major reviewers and gives you an average for every game ever made. There are 5 xbox360 games in the top 50, 1 Wii game, and 0 PS3. Gamespot seems to favor xbox360 because xbox360 has the better games. Deal with it.

Here are the top 5 360 games if your interested.

#3 - The orange Box

#11 - Bioshock

#30 - Oblivion

#35 - Gears of War

#42 Halo 3

Wii has Twilight Princess at #29

PS3s best title is Oblivion at #51. It doesn't have another title in the top 200. I don't think R&C have enough reviews in to qualify yet, so it might have an outside shot to land somewhere in the high 170-200 range.

XBOX360 has AAA games on gamespot because the system has some of the greatest games ever made. End of story. Learn to deal with it.

mnvike

Why is Oblivion on the PS3 #51 when Oblivion on the 360 is #30? They're exactly the same and the PS3 arguably has better graphics (and I'm basing that statement on review written by Gamespot).

Also, I see bias when a game like Skate is knocked down half a point from the 360 review when there is virtually no difference at all. Gamespot claimed frame rate issues and I've not seen a single, solitary difference in frame rate between my PS3 version and my buddies 360 version.

Valid points, and a cogent argument. While I happen to agree with your assessment, here's an attempt to play devil's advocate:

How many times does GS end up being the lowest score for a PS3 or Wii game which pulls it down to a lower score? In other words, does GS have more scores below the average for the PS3/Wii than it does for the X360? If GS is just a "tough scorer", than it should have just as many games where it is the lowest scoring reviewer on that platform as on the PS3/Wii.

In technical speak, how often is the GS score outside of the IQR for X360 games compared to PS3/Wii games? If there is a significant difference, than an allegation of bias is more supportable.

Is anyone actually interested? I would consider doing the statisitics if there is enough interest in ending this discussion once and for all.

Why is Oblivion on the PS3 #51 when Oblivion on the 360 is #30? They're exactly the same and the PS3 arguably has better graphics (and I'm basing that statement on review written by Gamespot).

paulg

Maybe because it came a year later? Not to mention, your argument backfires. Oblivion PS3 and Oblivion 360 have very, very similar ratings (9.6 vs 9.5). Oblivion's impact and whatever novelty it had had worn off by the time the PS3 version hits.

[QUOTE="mnvike"]

Gamespot is not biased. Sure they have an occasional outlier like Zelda or R&C, but these are the exceptions not the norm. Gamespot has always judged games a little harsher than the majority of other sites.

The fact of the matter is that the xbox360 has had an AMAZING run of games. In less than 2 years it has 5 of the top 50 games off all time. Check gamerankings.com if you think Gamespot is biased. Gamerankings averages all the major reviewers and gives you an average for every game ever made. There are 5 xbox360 games in the top 50, 1 Wii game, and 0 PS3. Gamespot seems to favor xbox360 because xbox360 has the better games. Deal with it.

Here are the top 5 360 games if your interested.

#3 - The orange Box

#11 - Bioshock

#30 - Oblivion

#35 - Gears of War

#42 Halo 3

Wii has Twilight Princess at #29

PS3s best title is Oblivion at #51. It doesn't have another title in the top 200. I don't think R&C have enough reviews in to qualify yet, so it might have an outside shot to land somewhere in the high 170-200 range.

XBOX360 has AAA games on gamespot because the system has some of the greatest games ever made. End of story. Learn to deal with it.

paulg

Why is Oblivion on the PS3 #51 when Oblivion on the 360 is #30? They're exactly the same and the PS3 arguably has better graphics (and I'm basing that statement on review written by Gamespot).

Also, I see bias when a game like Skate is knocked down half a point from the 360 review when there is virtually no difference at all. Gamespot claimed frame rate issues and I've not seen a single, solitary difference in frame rate between my PS3 version and my buddies 360 version.

Didn't Oblivion come out on PS3 a whole year later than xbox360?Did you also wonder why GTA San Andreas scored better on the PS2 than it did on xbox? Listen people. There is no conspiracy. Quit looking.

Valid points, and a cogent argument. While I happen to agree with your assessment, here's an attempt to play devil's advocate:

How many times does GS end up being the lowest score for a PS3 or Wii game which pulls it down to a lower score? In other words, does GS have more scores below the average for the PS3/Wii than it does for the X360? If GS is just a "tough scorer", than it should have just as many games where it is the lowest scoring reviewer on that platform as on the PS3/Wii.

In technical speak, how often is the GS score outside of the IQR for X360 games compared to PS3/Wii games? If there is a significant difference, than an allegation of bias is more supportable.

Is anyone actually interested? I would consider doing the statisitics if there is enough interest in ending this discussion once and for all.

wenzke

Don't worry about it. I've done both the PS3 and 360, based on most of their games (well, all the games in gamerankings). Both the 360 and Ps3's average score is .48% lower in GS than in Gamerankings (I kid you not, got the same average differential), with a low standard deviation, in both cases less than 5%. Sadly, all that stuff is on my laptop, and I left it in my office. Maybe I'll post the exact data later.

It won't end the discussion. I've mentioned this dozens of times, and usually ellicits one of two responses (well, only one response, with different motives): My argument is ignored because the cow in question is simply unable to grasp all the big words, or my argument is ignored because the cow in question doesn't know how to answer.

Id love to see the data for sure, would you be willing to do up a chart with the wii stuff too? I think thats one thats causing the most problems myself

[QUOTE="wenzke"]

Valid points, and a cogent argument. While I happen to agree with your assessment, here's an attempt to play devil's advocate:

How many times does GS end up being the lowest score for a PS3 or Wii game which pulls it down to a lower score? In other words, does GS have more scores below the average for the PS3/Wii than it does for the X360? If GS is just a "tough scorer", than it should have just as many games where it is the lowest scoring reviewer on that platform as on the PS3/Wii.

In technical speak, how often is the GS score outside of the IQR for X360 games compared to PS3/Wii games? If there is a significant difference, than an allegation of bias is more supportable.

Is anyone actually interested? I would consider doing the statisitics if there is enough interest in ending this discussion once and for all.

Grive

Don't worry about it. I've done both the PS3 and 360, based on most of their games (well, all the games in gamerankings). Both the 360 and Ps3's average score is .48% lower in GS than in Gamerankings (I kid you not, got the same average differential), with a low standard deviation, in both cases less than 5%. Sadly, all that stuff is on my laptop, and I left it in my office. Maybe I'll post the exact data later.

It won't end the discussion. I've mentioned this dozens of times, and usually ellicits one of two responses (well, only one response, with different motives): My argument is ignored because the cow in question is simply unable to grasp all the big words, or my argument is ignored because the cow in question doesn't know how to answer.

Gamespot is not biased. Sure they have an occasional outlier like Zelda or R&C, but these are the exceptions not the norm. Gamespot has always judged games a little harsher than the majority of other sites.

The fact of the matter is that the xbox360 has had an AMAZING run of games. In less than 2 years it has 5 of the top 50 games off all time. Check gamerankings.com if you think Gamespot is biased. Gamerankings averages all the major reviewers and gives you an average for every game ever made. There are 5 xbox360 games in the top 50, 1 Wii game, and 0 PS3. Gamespot seems to favor xbox360 because xbox360 has the better games. Deal with it.

Here are the top 5 360 games if your interested.

#3 - The orange Box

#11 - Bioshock

#30 - Oblivion

#35 - Gears of War

#42 Halo 3

Wii has Twilight Princess at #29

PS3s best title is Oblivion at #51. It doesn't have another title in the top 200. I don't think R&C have enough reviews in to qualify yet, so it might have an outside shot to land somewhere in the high 170-200 range.

XBOX360 has AAA games on gamespot because the system has some of the greatest games ever made. End of story. Learn to deal with it.

mnvike

Not arguing about your main point but I have to object against the use of Gameranking top 50. The reason being, according to Gameranking...

Orange Box (Xbox 360) - 96.4% = No 3

Orange Box (PC) - 96.9% = (Not even in the top 100)!!!!!

If they can make such an error it bears the question what else is left out?

P.S. Orange Box (PC) should have been No 2 (Which would push the 360 version to No 4)

[QUOTE="wenzke"]

Valid points, and a cogent argument. While I happen to agree with your assessment, here's an attempt to play devil's advocate:

How many times does GS end up being the lowest score for a PS3 or Wii game which pulls it down to a lower score? In other words, does GS have more scores below the average for the PS3/Wii than it does for the X360? If GS is just a "tough scorer", than it should have just as many games where it is the lowest scoring reviewer on that platform as on the PS3/Wii.

In technical speak, how often is the GS score outside of the IQR for X360 games compared to PS3/Wii games? If there is a significant difference, than an allegation of bias is more supportable.

Is anyone actually interested? I would consider doing the statisitics if there is enough interest in ending this discussion once and for all.

Grive

Don't worry about it. I've done both the PS3 and 360, based on most of their games (well, all the games in gamerankings). Both the 360 and Ps3's average score is .48% lower in GS than in Gamerankings (I kid you not, got the same average differential), with a low standard deviation, in both cases less than 5%. Sadly, all that stuff is on my laptop, and I left it in my office. Maybe I'll post the exact data later.

It won't end the discussion. I've mentioned this dozens of times, and usually ellicits one of two responses (well, only one response, with different motives): My argument is ignored because the cow in question is simply unable to grasp all the big words, or my argument is ignored because the cow in question doesn't know how to answer.

Sweet! Thanks. I didn't do the math, but when I see games getting scores in the 89-91% range, I usually predict a 8.5 on gamespot.According to your statsthat is pretty much right on.

I can only think of 3 reviews that have really made me scratch my head in the last couple years. One from each next gen console. R&C seemed low. I was guessing 8.5. I was shocked that Twilight Princess wasn't AAA. And, it seems obvious that Perfect Dark was OVERRATED (a rarity on gamespot). How many games were reviewed over this period though? Tons. It doesn't seem abnormal for them to get 3 wrong. I think Perfect Dark has a bit of an excuse too. It was the first game released of the new generation. I highly doubt it would get over an 8.0 if reviewed today.

[QUOTE="mnvike"]

Gamespot is not biased. Sure they have an occasional outlier like Zelda or R&C, but these are the exceptions not the norm. Gamespot has always judged games a little harsher than the majority of other sites.

The fact of the matter is that the xbox360 has had an AMAZING run of games. In less than 2 years it has 5 of the top 50 games off all time. Check gamerankings.com if you think Gamespot is biased. Gamerankings averages all the major reviewers and gives you an average for every game ever made. There are 5 xbox360 games in the top 50, 1 Wii game, and 0 PS3. Gamespot seems to favor xbox360 because xbox360 has the better games. Deal with it.

Here are the top 5 360 games if your interested.

#3 - The orange Box

#11 - Bioshock

#30 - Oblivion

#35 - Gears of War

#42 Halo 3

Wii has Twilight Princess at #29

PS3s best title is Oblivion at #51. It doesn't have another title in the top 200. I don't think R&C have enough reviews in to qualify yet, so it might have an outside shot to land somewhere in the high 170-200 range.

XBOX360 has AAA games on gamespot because the system has some of the greatest games ever made. End of story. Learn to deal with it.

Philmon

Not arguing about your main point but I have to object against the use of Gameranking top 50. The reason being, according to Gameranking...

Orange Box (Xbox 360) - 96.4% = No 3

Orange Box (PC) - 96.9% = (Not even in the top 100)!!!!!

If they can make such an error it bears the question what else is left out?

P.S. Orange Box (PC) should have been No 2 (Which would push the 360 version to No 4)

The query I ran defaults to a minimum of 20 reviews for the game. Orange Box PC only has 18 reviews at the moment.

Valid points, and a cogent argument. While I happen to agree with your assessment, here's an attempt to play devil's advocate:

How many times does GS end up being the lowest score for a PS3 or Wii game which pulls it down to a lower score? In other words, does GS have more scores below the average for the PS3/Wii than it does for the X360? If GS is just a "tough scorer", than it should have just as many games where it is the lowest scoring reviewer on that platform as on the PS3/Wii.

In technical speak, how often is the GS score outside of the IQR for X360 games compared to PS3/Wii games? If there is a significant difference, than an allegation of bias is more supportable.

Is anyone actually interested? I would consider doing the statisitics if there is enough interest in ending this discussion once and for all.

wenzke

because the 360 has been out longer and hence it is a lot easier to develope games for.

I think gamespot's reviews have just gotten crappier with the times. Maybe if they went into more depth we could understand the reasoning for their scores. Such as how MP3 got knocked down for being more of the same, but with the Halo3 review, apparently being more of the same was a good thing. Or how R:FoM got bashed for not adding anything new to the FPS genre, but Perfect Dark Zero was praised for it. They just need to be more detailed and explain to us how MP3 being the same is bad but Halo staying the same is good considering that both the predecesors were AAA games.-Serpahim-

Gamespot is biased.jack_russel

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/927950.asp

gamespot is teh biased!! blue dragon got a 6.0 at gs but a 7.7 on game rankings.

[QUOTE="Philmon"][QUOTE="mnvike"]

Gamespot is not biased. Sure they have an occasional outlier like Zelda or R&C, but these are the exceptions not the norm. Gamespot has always judged games a little harsher than the majority of other sites.

The fact of the matter is that the xbox360 has had an AMAZING run of games. In less than 2 years it has 5 of the top 50 games off all time. Check gamerankings.com if you think Gamespot is biased. Gamerankings averages all the major reviewers and gives you an average for every game ever made. There are 5 xbox360 games in the top 50, 1 Wii game, and 0 PS3. Gamespot seems to favor xbox360 because xbox360 has the better games. Deal with it.

Here are the top 5 360 games if your interested.

#3 - The orange Box

#11 - Bioshock

#30 - Oblivion

#35 - Gears of War

#42 Halo 3

Wii has Twilight Princess at #29

PS3s best title is Oblivion at #51. It doesn't have another title in the top 200. I don't think R&C have enough reviews in to qualify yet, so it might have an outside shot to land somewhere in the high 170-200 range.

XBOX360 has AAA games on gamespot because the system has some of the greatest games ever made. End of story. Learn to deal with it.

mnvike

Not arguing about your main point but I have to object against the use of Gameranking top 50. The reason being, according to Gameranking...

Orange Box (Xbox 360) - 96.4% = No 3

Orange Box (PC) - 96.9% = (Not even in the top 100)!!!!!

If they can make such an error it bears the question what else is left out?

P.S. Orange Box (PC) should have been No 2 (Which would push the 360 version to No 4)

The query I ran defaults to a minimum of 20 reviews for the game. Orange Box PC only has 18 reviews at the moment.

Yes I realised that, but it still begs the question, because if you bring that down to 10 reviews, Halo 3 does not even make it into the top 50.

Also even if you ignore that, the fact of the matter is that Gamerankings is not a fair way to compare games simply because the sum of all the reviews are not by the same people. This means that sites/megazines that write reviews for only one platform have an unfair effect on the final score in gamerankings. A better way would be to have an average score of only the sites/magazines that do reviews for all the platform, like IGN/GS.