Sure Pc has 41% piracy but...

That's 41% software; not 41% of games.

Everyone pirates at least one piece of software.

That's 41% software; not 41% of games.

Everyone pirates at least one piece of software.

DeckardLee

Fad threads are awesome.

We still get awesome games, so whilst unfortunate, i'm not too fussed.

Also, 41% of PC software. There is a lot of that out there.

No and dont try to be a smart ass here, the op is simple to grasp.miscin123

[QUOTE="DeckardLee"]

That's 41% software; not 41% of games.

Everyone pirates at least one piece of software.

Shafftehr

Ever hear the expression "If your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle"...?Shafftehr

[QUOTE="miscin123"]No and dont try to be a smart ass here, the op is simple to grasp.Shafftehr

it is a serious issue. there needs to be more games in steam i think. steam prevents some of that stuff from being pirated.xscott1018

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"]Ever hear the expression "If your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle"...?Nick3306

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="miscin123"]No and dont try to be a smart ass here, the op is simple to grasp.miscin123

You really can't come up with a numerical value as to what piracy costs thesoftware industry. How many people who download pirated software would actually buy it if there was no other way to get it? I'm sure a few people here use Photoshop, but would not spend $600 for the program if pirated versions weren't readily available.

Piracy of a $600 program =/= a $600 loss.

Pc loses about 51billion $ because of piracy but if that were to happen to consoles they would be dead. So those who make fun of piracy on pc, at least our system can afford it unlike yours. All 3 consoles would of died if they had the type of piracy pc has.miscin123

[QUOTE="miscin123"]Pc loses about 51billion $ because of piracy but if that were to happen to consoles they would be dead. So those who make fun of piracy on pc, at least our system can afford it unlike yours. All 3 consoles would of died if they had the type of piracy pc has.Johnny-n-Roger

[QUOTE="Johnny-n-Roger"][QUOTE="miscin123"]Pc loses about 51billion $ because of piracy but if that were to happen to consoles they would be dead. So those who make fun of piracy on pc, at least our system can afford it unlike yours. All 3 consoles would of died if they had the type of piracy pc has.Shafftehr

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"] Yeah. used games are basically legal piracy, since it steals a lot of effective sales that would actually earn money for the developer. If you're a person who abhors PC piracy because the people who made the game are getting no money for people playing the games they toil over but routinely buy used games, you're an unwitting hypocrite - the middle-man makes 100% of the profit on used games, shutting out the publishers and devs entirely.SpruceCaboose

I thought we were talking about 51 billion in figurative losses? It's hypocritical none-the-less.

Pc loses about 51billion $ because of piracy but if that were to happen to consoles they would be dead. So those who make fun of piracy on pc, at least our system can afford it unlike yours. All 3 consoles would of died if they had the type of piracy pc has.miscin123

Consle games get pirated too, but they still sell much more copies than PC games.

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="Johnny-n-Roger"] Used games? I'm pretty sure console software developers don't make a profit on used games......Next-Gen-Tec

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"] Yeah. used games are basically legal piracy, since it steals a lot of effective sales that would actually earn money for the developer. If you're a person who abhors PC piracy because the people who made the game are getting no money for people playing the games they toil over but routinely buy used games, you're an unwitting hypocrite - the middle-man makes 100% of the profit on used games, shutting out the publishers and devs entirely.Johnny-n-Roger

I thought we were talking about 51 billion in figurative losses? It's hypocritical none-the-less.

Sorry, but no. You won't get me to agree that copyright infringement is the same thing morally as selling your own property. SpruceCaboose

I thought we were talking about 51 billion in figurative losses? It's hypocritical none-the-less.

[QUOTE="Johnny-n-Roger"] If you say that piracy is wrong BECAUSE the devolopers and publishers don't profit from it, then wouldn't buying used games be wrong for the same reason?SpruceCaboose

You're wrong:

Movies on Demand are paid for by your cable provider. There are contracts involved. All parties benefit from this program of distribution.

Gamestop or anyowned-operated used games distributor has no such contracts.

Another Example:

When you buy a used car, it has depreciated from use. It doesn't hold the same value as a used car. When you buy a used car you're not buying the same product as a new car and will always be superior.

Games, on the other hand,don't depreciate in value because of use. Someone buying a new game is buying the exact same product as someone who buys a new copy. The game won't play any differently or show any signs of use.The consumer has the same product while the developer / publisher receives zero profit.

[QUOTE="DeckardLee"]

That's 41% software; not 41% of games.

Everyone pirates at least one piece of software.

Shafftehr

You're wrong:

Movies on Demand are paid for by your cable provider. There are contracts involved. All parties benefit from this program of distribution.

Gamestop or anyowned-operated used games distributor has no such contracts.

Another Example:

When you buy a used car, it has depreciated from use. It doesn't hold the same value as a used car. When you buy a used car you're not buying the same product as a new car and will always be superior.

Games, on the other hand,don't depreciate in value because of use. Someone buying a new game is buying the exact same product as someone who buys a new copy. The game won't play any differently or show any signs of use.The consumer has the same product while the developer / publisher receives zero profit.

Johnny-n-Roger

[QUOTE="Johnny-n-Roger"]

You're wrong:

Movies on Demand are paid for by your cable provider. There are contracts involved. All parties benefit from this program of distribution.

Gamestop or anyowned-operated used games distributor has no such contracts.

Another Example:

When you buy a used car, it has depreciated from use. It doesn't hold the same value as a used car. When you buy a used car you're not buying the same product as a new car and will always be superior.

Games, on the other hand,don't depreciate in value because of use. Someone buying a new game is buying the exact same product as someone who buys a new copy. The game won't play any differently or show any signs of use.The consumer has the same product while the developer / publisher receives zero profit.

SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="Johnny-n-Roger"]

You're wrong:

Movies on Demand are paid for by your cable provider. There are contracts involved. All parties benefit from this program of distribution.

Gamestop or anyowned-operated used games distributor has no such contracts.

Another Example:

When you buy a used car, it has depreciated from use. It doesn't hold the same value as a used car. When you buy a used car you're not buying the same product as a new car and will always be superior.

Games, on the other hand,don't depreciate in value because of use. Someone buying a new game is buying the exact same product as someone who buys a new copy. The game won't play any differently or show any signs of use.The consumer has the same product while the developer / publisher receives zero profit.

SpruceCaboose

Like I said, there is no way you will get me to think copyright infringement is the same thing as exercising my rights as a consumer. Just like lending a game to your friend or renting a game is not the same as piracy. And it seems like its the pirates who tend to push this idea, as if to justify to themselves what they do.

I'm not speaking in terms of morality. Let me just clarify my argument in as few words as possible.

Used games sales = no profit to developers

Piracy = no profit to developers

Everyone likes to **** and moan that piracy is hurting developers yet forget that used games carry the same effect for console games.

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Sorry, but no. You won't get me to agree that copyright infringement is the same thing morally as selling your own property. SpruceCaboose

That's 41% software; not 41% of games.

Everyone pirates at least one piece of software.

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[QUOTE="Johnny-n-Roger"][QUOTE="miscin123"]Pc loses about 51billion $ because of piracy but if that were to happen to consoles they would be dead. So those who make fun of piracy on pc, at least our system can afford it unlike yours. All 3 consoles would of died if they had the type of piracy pc has.Shafftehr

So, if I sell my house or my car, does that mean I'm stealing money from the construction company or the car manufacturer?! Now one can't sell his own property or do whatever he wants with it?

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Sorry, but no. Games, like most things, depreciate over time as well. Their data may not degrade (although the discs do), their relevance is also very short lived. Same argument goes for books, music, movies, art, heck, just about all entertainment.

Like I said, there is no way you will get me to think copyright infringement is the same thing as exercising my rights as a consumer. Just like lending a game to your friend or renting a game is not the same as piracy. And it seems like its the pirates who tend to push this idea, as if to justify to themselves what they do.Shafftehr

No, in scenario A the game developer gets money from the 1st sale, in scenario B they get no money at all, huge difference!

So let me understand you reasoning, are you implying that selling used books, movies, music, games, whatever, should be illegal?

So, if I sell my house or my car, does that mean I'm stealing money from the construction company or the car manufacturer?! Now one can't sell his own property or do whatever he wants with it?

nunovlopes

No, in scenario A the game developer gets money from the 1st sale, in scenario B they get no money at all, huge difference!

So let me understand you reasoning, are you implying that selling used books, movies, music, games, whatever, should be illegal?

nunovlopes

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Sorry, but no. Games, like most things, depreciate over time as well. Their data may not degrade (although the discs do), their relevance is also very short lived. Same argument goes for books, music, movies, art, heck, just about all entertainment.

Like I said, there is no way you will get me to think copyright infringement is the same thing as exercising my rights as a consumer. Just like lending a game to your friend or renting a game is not the same as piracy. And it seems like its the pirates who tend to push this idea, as if to justify to themselves what they do.nunovlopes

No, in scenario A the game developer gets money from the 1st sale, in scenario B they get no money at all, huge difference!

So let me understand you reasoning, are you implying that selling used books, movies, music, games, whatever, should be illegal?

The source of the original game is irrelevant. The fact is that 2 people now have the game with NO proceeds going to the developer is what's key.

Using your logic, If I install and cracka copy of Crysis on my computer using my friend's disk, thus preventing me from having any incentive to purchase the game, Crytek and EA's profits go unnaffected because my friend bought the game?