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#1 WutTimeIsIt
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Lets hear the voice of gamespot forum.
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#2 Da_lil_PimP
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All this is going to decide is how many cows or lemming are on this site right now.
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#3 one_on_one
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I'll go with the DS because they have the first AAAE for 2009.
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#4 Cherokee_Jack
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What a novel concept.
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#5 Solid_Max13
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Hmmm i dunno give me a tough decision but Snes seems like a good pick!
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#6 sasapac
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how can poeple still belive that 360 is better than ps3 while the ps3 has blue-ray player, free online, a cpu that microsoft can't even imagine and quality a word that microsoft doesn't know. ok 360 has more games than ps3 but it hasn't got better games
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#7 tktomo01
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Wow, this is so original, because it has never been asked before. How about the sheep, or the portable fans, or the hermits?
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#8 djsifer01
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There is no war PS3 wins by default. Better hardware in terms of reliability and capability. PSN is on par with LIve and its free. Better exclusives. Way better data Medium, Prossesing Power and GPU(which some tech. Lemmings will disagree with but its true).
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#9 Solid_Max13
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There is no war PS3 wins by default. Better hardware in terms of reliability and capability. PSN is on par with LIve and its free. Better exclusives. Way better data Medium, Prossesing Power and GPU(which some tech. Lemmings will disagree with but its true).djsifer01
Most of what you said except 360 shouldn't be said to have ugly grpahics they can do lighting an textures just fine just don't expect a game like Killzone 2 on there.
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#10 gamefan274
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Wow PS3 is winning here! I have to admit, I'm happily surprised! I actually like this poll since if it breaks about 50-50 we know the hardcore audience prefers neither. On a sidenote, the PC and Wii are basically a different market. Anyone can support the Wii for fun or the PC for hardware but the real war is between the PS3 and 360. PC owners, not neglecting you. Wii owners drew the short stick.
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#11 gamefan274
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Wow PS3 is winning here! I have to admit, I'm happily surprised! I actually like this poll since if it breaks about 50-50 we know the hardcore audience prefers neither. On a sidenote, the PC and Wii are basically a different market. Anyone can support the Wii for fun or the PC for hardware but the real war is between the PS3 and 360. PC owners, not neglecting you. Wii owners drew the short stick.
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#12 dark-warmachine
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Both have their flaws, so it's hard to choose.
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#13 GOT_Sn4K3_eY3Z
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how can poeple still belive that 360 is better than ps3 while the ps3 has blue-ray player, free online, a cpu that microsoft can't even imagine and quality a word that microsoft doesn't know. ok 360 has more games than ps3 but it hasn't got better gamessasapac

excuse me... lets have a look, Halo trilogy, plus the next two halo games comming out... GoW (will be) trilogy. Forza which can compete and beat GT, and why have 6 usable processors if they never get used. The friends and messaging system on the PS3 is crap, the 360 has party chat which allowing you to have a better team plans for games loke COD 4 etc.

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[QUOTE="sasapac"]how can poeple still belive that 360 is better than ps3 while the ps3 has blue-ray player, free online, a cpu that microsoft can't even imagine and quality a word that microsoft doesn't know. ok 360 has more games than ps3 but it hasn't got better gamesGOT_Sn4K3_eY3Z

excuse me... lets have a look, Halo trilogy, plus the next two halo games comming out... GoW (will be) trilogy. Forza which can compete and beat GT, and why have 6 usable processors if they never get used. The friends and messaging system on the PS3 is crap, the 360 has party chat which allowing you to have a better team plans for games loke COD 4 etc.

ps3's chat can be updated....can the number of 360's processors? no. and when developers DO make use of all of them, then we will see which system looks and plays better :D
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#15 markop2003
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Erm if you're having a system war you should have all the systems or atleast all of this gens systems
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[QUOTE="sasapac"]how can poeple still belive that 360 is better than ps3 while the ps3 has blue-ray player, free online, a cpu that microsoft can't even imagine and quality a word that microsoft doesn't know. ok 360 has more games than ps3 but it hasn't got better gamesGOT_Sn4K3_eY3Z

excuse me... lets have a look, Halo trilogy, plus the next two halo games comming out... GoW (will be) trilogy. Forza which can compete and beat GT, and why have 6 usable processors if they never get used. The friends and messaging system on the PS3 is crap, the 360 has party chat which allowing you to have a better team plans for games loke COD 4 etc.

Forza cant even spell GT5. 360 is not capable of what GT5 will look like. Take your fanboy googles off. PS3 destroys 360 in every sense of the word.BTW Halo= Worst games ever made.PS3 PWNS.
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#17 adv_tr00per
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as of right now ITS A TIE!! OMG!!!!!
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#18 WutTimeIsIt
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Erm if you're having a system war you should have all the systems or atleast all of this gens systemsmarkop2003
dont worry bro i own a wii too and i had alot of fun playing it and i got a lot of games for it..some which i havent even played yet....but cmon were being serious here.
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#19 789shadow
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Once again,Wii is left out.What is it,chopped liver?Plus,you also left out the PC.Poll=fail.

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#20 deactivated-5c1f6975e595b
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somebody might as well sticky this

the most obvious thread on the board that nobody has ever made

and i don't even know whether I'm being sarcastic or not...

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#21 markop2003
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[QUOTE="GOT_Sn4K3_eY3Z"]

[QUOTE="sasapac"]how can poeple still belive that 360 is better than ps3 while the ps3 has blue-ray player, free online, a cpu that microsoft can't even imagine and quality a word that microsoft doesn't know. ok 360 has more games than ps3 but it hasn't got better gamesWutTimeIsIt

excuse me... lets have a look, Halo trilogy, plus the next two halo games comming out... GoW (will be) trilogy. Forza which can compete and beat GT, and why have 6 usable processors if they never get used. The friends and messaging system on the PS3 is crap, the 360 has party chat which allowing you to have a better team plans for games loke COD 4 etc.

ps3's chat can be updated....can the number of 360's processors? no. and when developers DO make use of all of them, then we will see which system looks and plays better :D

You seem to think that they will at some point but the thing is that that won't happen until a new Xbox is out because these days big budget games have to be cross platform to get enough sales and they arn't going to goo to the effort of adding loads of extras to the PS3 version which are really unnecesary
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#22 markop2003
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[QUOTE="markop2003"]Erm if you're having a system war you should have all the systems or atleast all of this gens systemsWutTimeIsIt
dont worry bro i own a wii too and i had alot of fun playing it and i got a lot of games for it..some which i havent even played yet....but cmon were being serious here.

.... why does everyone ignore PC which is easily the most serious system there is....
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#23 djsifer01
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Once again,Wii is left out.What is it,chopped liver?Plus,you also left out the PC.Poll=fail.

789shadow
If we were debateing last Gen Wii would be in the disscusion. Dont get me wrong i own a Wii and love it but its not even in the same catagory as 360 or PS3. PC=more power than all 3 combined so why even bring it up. My Rig AMD Phenom 2 quad core 8gb Corsair dominator 1066 Crosshair 2 Formula 2x G-Force GTX 280 1gb. Its a Monster.
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Once again,Wii is left out.What is it,chopped liver?Plus,you also left out the PC.Poll=fail.

789shadow

can't you see that the whole point of the system wars board these days is to let the PS3 and 360 fanboys battle?

Every thread dissing the PC is automatically gonna get flamed with screenshots of Crysis turned all the way up, and every thread praising the Wii and saying that it's the best will get mowed with people saying it's "childish"

but hay, I only have a PS3 so people can always mark me down as a PS3 "wind-blower-boy" (fanboy, such a bad joke......)

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#25 789shadow
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[QUOTE="789shadow"]

Once again,Wii is left out.What is it,chopped liver?Plus,you also left out the PC.Poll=fail.

djsifer01

If we were debateing last Gen Wii would be in the disscusion. Dont get me wrong i own a Wii and love it but its not even in the same catagory as 360 or PS3. PC=more power than all 3 combined so why even bring it up. My Rig AMD Phenom 2 quad core 8gb Corsair dominator 1066 Crosshair 2 Formula 2x G-Force GTX 280 1gb. Its a Monster.

Look how quickly that turned into a graphics discussion.Has it occured to anyone that a next-gen system is not determined by it's graphics???

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#26 tok1879
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[QUOTE="789shadow"][QUOTE="djsifer01"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

Once again,Wii is left out.What is it,chopped liver?Plus,you also left out the PC.Poll=fail.

If we were debateing last Gen Wii would be in the disscusion. Dont get me wrong i own a Wii and love it but its not even in the same catagory as 360 or PS3. PC=more power than all 3 combined so why even bring it up. My Rig AMD Phenom 2 quad core 8gb Corsair dominator 1066 Crosshair 2 Formula 2x G-Force GTX 280 1gb. Its a Monster.

Look how quickly that turned into a graphics discussion.Has it occured to anyone that a next-gen system is not determined by it's graphics???

Really? then what then? cuz i remember NES -> SNES-> 64-> GC == WII, oh i guess it's not anymore according to a certain company.
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#27 Cherokee_Jack
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[QUOTE="789shadow"][QUOTE="djsifer01"]If we were debateing last Gen Wii would be in the disscusion. Dont get me wrong i own a Wii and love it but its not even in the same catagory as 360 or PS3. PC=more power than all 3 combined so why even bring it up. My Rig AMD Phenom 2 quad core 8gb Corsair dominator 1066 Crosshair 2 Formula 2x G-Force GTX 280 1gb. Its a Monster.tok1879

Look how quickly that turned into a graphics discussion.Has it occured to anyone that a next-gen system is not determined by it's graphics???

Really? then what then? cuz i remember NES -> SNES-> 64-> GC == WII, oh i guess it's not anymore according to a certain company.

Gamecube = Wii? In what way?

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#28 ujjval16
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the only thing all this is gonna prove is how many cows and lemmings are on SW right now, and where is the wii?
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#29 TX360
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@djsifer Im sorry but you bash the 360 at every chance you get its a shame you cant give unbiased opinions since you only own a ps3 i on the other hand own both and find both just as good so for the love of god stop being a fanboy.
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#30 tok1879
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="tok1879"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

Look how quickly that turned into a graphics discussion.Has it occured to anyone that a next-gen system is not determined by it's graphics???

Really? then what then? cuz i remember NES -> SNES-> 64-> GC == WII, oh i guess it's not anymore according to a certain company.

Gamecube = Wii? In what way?

Graphicswise...IMO...F' that, not even in my opinion. FACT: There's not much of a jump in graphics from GC to Wii.
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#31 DarkGamer007
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You really need to add a Wii and Computer to that poll. I would say Computer because it has the most games, best controls, graphics ect.
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#32 djsifer01
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[QUOTE="TX360"]@djsifer Im sorry but you bash the 360 at every chance you get its a shame you cant give unbiased opinions since you only own a ps3 i on the other hand own both and find both just as good so for the love of god stop being a fanboy.

Thats were your wrong i own all 3 systems. I bash the 360 so much because it is seriously a piece of garbage compared to the PS3. Thats my opinion its hardware is unreliable capabilities is limted compared to PS3 and it has screen tearing and several frame rate issues on Fable 2, Too Human, Gears1&2. Lost Odessey is the smoothest game ive played on 360.BTW heres a challange for anyone out there that honestly has both systems like i do. Go take any multiplat for PS3 and 360 and play it for at least 1 hour and i promise you if you have a good HD TV you will see clearly that the game is smoother on PS3. (Test requires FANBOY Goggles OFF.)Link to my detailed setup@http://www.playfire.com/djsifer
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#33 WutTimeIsIt
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hey lets not say something we are going to regret...even garbage has its place in the world....cant say i feel the same about 360 Edit: quoting djsifer
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#34 Cherokee_Jack
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="tok1879"] Really? then what then? cuz i remember NES -> SNES-> 64-> GC == WII, oh i guess it's not anymore according to a certain company.tok1879

Gamecube = Wii? In what way?

Graphicswise...IMO...F' that, not even in my opinion. FACT: There's not much of a jump in graphics from GC to Wii.

I doubt that the Gamecube could have ran SMG at 60 FPS. There's a lot more to the Wii's graphical capabilities than the shovelware would indicate.

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#35 WutTimeIsIt
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looks like competition *rolls eyes*
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#36 Solid_Max13
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Wait the wii's a system :o i always thought it was a gimmick :lol: nahh wii's ok but more for the casuals
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#37 WutTimeIsIt
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the polls show pwnage by ps3 :D
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#38 Bigboi500
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DS is the best over-all system so far this gen.
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#39 WutTimeIsIt
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epic pwnage.
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#40 tok1879
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="tok1879"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

Gamecube = Wii? In what way?

Graphicswise...IMO...F' that, not even in my opinion. FACT: There's not much of a jump in graphics from GC to Wii.

I doubt that the Gamecube could have ran SMG at 60 FPS. There's a lot more to the Wii's graphical capabilities than the shovelware would indicate.

Who really cares? I look at MP2, i compare it to MP3, There's as much difference as between the graphics of GOW1 and GOW2. So this to me and to a lot of other people is not a SIGNIFICANT JUMP in graphics.
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#41 Eddie5vs1
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]Forza cant even spell GT5. 360 is not capable of what GT5 will look like. Take your fanboy googles off. PS3 destroys 360 in every sense of the word.BTW Halo= Worst games ever made.PS3 PWNS.djsifer01
:shock: Wow, the irony in your statement is epic. You don't have to like Halo, but saying it equals the worst came every made is ridiculous.
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#42 doobie1975
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this time last year i would of said 360 with out a doubt. now though im not so sure. still wont vote though cos i love them both. but my PC is my new favorite after a few upgrades
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#43 milosbeli
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ps3
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#44 killerfist
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I picked Ps3 for lulz. They're pretty much the same in reality.
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#45 GOT_Sn4K3_eY3Z
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[QUOTE="GOT_Sn4K3_eY3Z"]

[QUOTE="sasapac"]how can poeple still belive that 360 is better than ps3 while the ps3 has blue-ray player, free online, a cpu that microsoft can't even imagine and quality a word that microsoft doesn't know. ok 360 has more games than ps3 but it hasn't got better gamesWutTimeIsIt

excuse me... lets have a look, Halo trilogy, plus the next two halo games comming out... GoW (will be) trilogy. Forza which can compete and beat GT, and why have 6 usable processors if they never get used. The friends and messaging system on the PS3 is crap, the 360 has party chat which allowing you to have a better team plans for games loke COD 4 etc.

ps3's chat can be updated....can the number of 360's processors? no. and when developers DO make use of all of them, then we will see which system looks and plays better :D

The games cant go any more hd than 1080p yet, so the only thing the developers could do is make the games larger in size.

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#46 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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1. PC 2. 360=PS3 (if I had to pick I'd give the 360 a slight edge) 8. Wii
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#47 NinjaMunkey01
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Wow there are more ps3 fanboys than 360 fanboys?

Considering that this is mainly an American site thats odd...

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#48 Floppy_Jim
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I prefer the better one.
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#49 NinjaMunkey01
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I prefer the better one.Floppy_Jim
Ok and that is?
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#50 Floppy_Jim
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[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]I prefer the better one.NinjaMunkey01
Ok and that is?

The one I consider to be superior to the other, of course :P