Tell me lemmings............

It's unrealistic to squabble over tenths of a point. It may mean something here in System Wars... which is unfortunate, but in the real world, the score should be considered more of a very very very very very general guide. It would behoove you to actually read the reviews where the reviewer goes into more detail about what he/she liked about the game.

QFT!!:D

Halo3 earning AAA was like a punch in the gut for cows. Now all they have left is bringing up old scores.

:lol: I love it!

LosDaddie

I'll say it again and maybe you'll read it this time ........

HALO 3's score has nothing to do with this thread. I didn't write this to counter Halo 3's score. It deserved what it got, from what i undrstand.

Quit twisting my words.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

QFT!!:D

Halo3 earning AAA was like a punch in the gut for cows. Now all they have left is bringing up old scores.

:lol: I love it!

The_Crucible

I'll say it again and maybe you'll read it this time ........

HALO 3's score has nothing to do with this thread. I didn't write this to counter Halo 3's score. It deserved what it got, from what i undrstand.

Quit twisting my words.

Go ahead and keep denying it, but no one is believing you.:)

And what about the 360 games GS went very hard on and the PS3 games it went very easy on? You seem to ignore that or do you just want to argue about 1 review?Teh_Bob

listen, at least all of the PS3 games had something to compare to. The early 360 games in 2005 had NOTHING to compare to.

And I don't think Resistance would get as good of a score coming out now. That's my point. I also don't use resistance to prove any points either. But lemmings love to use PDZ in their lists.

[QUOTE="Teh_Bob"]And what about the 360 games GS went very hard on and the PS3 games it went very easy on? You seem to ignore that or do you just want to argue about 1 review?The_Crucible

listen, at least all of the PS3 games had something to compare to. The early 360 games in 2005 had NOTHING to compare to.

And I don't think Resistance would get as good of a score coming out now. That's my point. I also don't use resistance to prove any points either. But lemmings love to use PDZ in their lists.

This was my point. You want to argue PDZ, but in that case argue games likeCoD, Dead Rising,GH even PGR.The 360 might lose an AAA but it should prob gain another 2-4.Wow that would make you a sad panda wouldn't it?

[QUOTE="Teh_Bob"]And what about the 360 games GS went very hard on and the PS3 games it went very easy on? You seem to ignore that or do you just want to argue about 1 review?The_Crucible

listen, at least all of the PS3 games had something to compare to. The early 360 games in 2005 had NOTHING to compare to.

And I don't think Resistance would get as good of a score coming out now. That's my point. I also don't use resistance to prove any points either. But lemmings love to use PDZ in their lists.

what about ps2 games then? lots of them received AAA with no competition, yet next-gen sequels are still being hyped AAA.

I think people need to stop getting so riled up over reviews.

At the end of the day, the only opinion that really matters is your own.

For example, Oblivion scored very high on all these websites, but I thought the game was boring and not worth my time. I didn't finish it.That's my personal opinion of course. People disagree. That's just the way it is.

Do you really agree with 360 review scores? Seriously? I mean, we always hear about your AAA lineup. And how it doesn't matter whether there was competition around when some of those games were reviewed. I just don't see it. Let's take a look, shall we?

PDZ: Is this game really only .5 points below Halo 3? Are you telling us that PDZ is as good as Halo 3? Its as good as Bioshock?

Oblivion: This game is .1 points better than Halo 3? .6 better than Bioshock?

Graw: This game is better than Bioshock? Its only .3 points below Halo 3?

Now, don't get it twisted. I'm not saying these games aren't good, not at all. All I'm saying is that their score is much different than what it would have been had those games come out when there was more cometition. Even competition on the same console, 360.

I can't believe anyone would actually think PDZ should be inline with Halo 3 and Bioshock. Its just insane.

The_Crucible

See what I don't think you understand is that these are different games, different story lines, and have different aspects, as well as each game has its own unique offerings that gave them those scores. Its not the fact that PDZ is better than Bioshock or is in the level the bottom line is at the time with what was what and what the game had to offer gave it a good score. The bottom line is what you are doing is trying to compare two to three old games with present games and the present scoring system which is what you can not do because it is comparing apples and oranges. It is what it is bottom line stop whinning about it.

What do you want to hear , that PDZ didnt deserve a AAA?

Every system has a wildly over rated game, for the 360 its PDZ, for the Wii its WarioWare.I'm sure the ps3 will get its over rated game soon enough, no need to worry

Do you really agree with 360 review scores? Seriously? I mean, we always hear about your AAA lineup. And how it doesn't matter whether there was competition around when some of those games were reviewed. I just don't see it. Let's take a look, shall we?

PDZ: Is this game really only .5 points below Halo 3? Are you telling us that PDZ is as good as Halo 3? Its as good as Bioshock?

Oblivion: This game is .1 points better than Halo 3? .6 better than Bioshock?

Graw: This game is better than Bioshock? Its only .3 points below Halo 3?

Now, don't get it twisted. I'm not saying these games aren't good, not at all. All I'm saying is that their score is much different than what it would have been had those games come out when there was more cometition. Even competition on the same console, 360.

I can't believe anyone would actually think PDZ should be inline with Halo 3 and Bioshock. Its just insane.

The_Crucible

Not really sure how you see a games ranking but I think it's based on just THE GAME not what it's compariable to. See for instance I would rank a game like Silent Hill 2 a 9.0 cause I LOVE that game but at the same time rank WWE Smackdown vs Raw a 9.0 as well cause I REALLY like that game too. So to say Halo 3 is a 9.5 but Oblivion which does offer alot more to do and is much bigger a 9.6 is correct and agreeable. I mean what should it have been a 14.0? Or should Halo 3 be 6.5 because they had to say "Well we already gave Oblivion a 9.6 and we know Halo 3 isn't nearly as big so it has to score a 7. Dosen't make sense. Perhaps a standalone comaprions review of games could warrent different scores like The Darkness lalone scores and 8.5 but now in a comaprison review against Halo 3 it scores a 6.0 and Halo gets the 9.0 see what I'm saying?

Do you really agree with 360 review scores? Seriously? I mean, we always hear about your AAA lineup. And how it doesn't matter whether there was competition around when some of those games were reviewed. I just don't see it. Let's take a look, shall we?

PDZ: Is this game really only .5 points below Halo 3? Are you telling us that PDZ is as good as Halo 3? Its as good as Bioshock?

Oblivion: This game is .1 points better than Halo 3? .6 better than Bioshock?

Graw: This game is better than Bioshock? Its only .3 points below Halo 3?

Now, don't get it twisted. I'm not saying these games aren't good, not at all. All I'm saying is that their score is much different than what it would have been had those games come out when there was more cometition. Even competition on the same console, 360.

I can't believe anyone would actually think PDZ should be inline with Halo 3 and Bioshock. Its just insane.

The_Crucible

Oblivion is a lot better than Bioshock...Forock

Ouch. Oblivion couldn't even live up to its past. Morrowind tears it apart.

[QUOTE="Forock"]Oblivion is a lot better than Bioshock...BioShockOwnz

Ouch. Oblivion couldn't even live up to its past. Morrowind tears it apart.

yeah sad isn't it? I think the 360 score should stay, but I would've loved having the oblivion score for the pc score below morrowind. Just like Bioshock should've scored below system shock 2.

[QUOTE="daveg1"]

its the opinion of that person reviweing the game only...

plus pdz was done on the old system.

The_Crucible

Its also the opinion of every lemmings who likes to list all of the AAA 360 titles like they're all worthy and on the same level.

PDZ done on old system? Its a 360 game, reviewed as a 360 game.

REVIEW system, O M G! :lol:

.... more idiots comparing PDZ to games like Bioshock

hmmm 2007 standards > 2005 standards

Do you really agree with 360 review scores? Seriously? I mean, we always hear about your AAA lineup. And how it doesn't matter whether there was competition around when some of those games were reviewed. I just don't see it. Let's take a look, shall we?

PDZ: Is this game really only .5 points below Halo 3? Are you telling us that PDZ is as good as Halo 3? Its as good as Bioshock?

Oblivion: This game is .1 points better than Halo 3? .6 better than Bioshock?

Graw: This game is better than Bioshock? Its only .3 points below Halo 3?

Now, don't get it twisted. I'm not saying these games aren't good, not at all. All I'm saying is that their score is much different than what it would have been had those games come out when there was more cometition. Even competition on the same console, 360.

I can't believe anyone would actually think PDZ should be inline with Halo 3 and Bioshock. Its just insane.

The_Crucible

Well the first flaw I see is that you are comparing between different review systems...

.... more idiots comparing PDZ to games like Bioshock

hmmm 2007 standards > 2005 standards

Sonic_on_crack

Well the first flaw I see is that you are comparing between different review systems...

snyper1982

Listen, I didn't start this comparison, lemmings did. Every lemmings who talks about the AAA's 360 has including the PDZ-types did this. I DON'T think they're equal. I DO think time makes a difference and so does competition.

Quit tellimg me this. Tell all of your lemming buddies.

[QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]

.... more idiots comparing PDZ to games like Bioshock

hmmm 2007 standards > 2005 standards

The_Crucible

Well the first flaw I see is that you are comparing between different review systems...

snyper1982

Listen, I didn't start this comparison, lemmings did. Every lemmings who talks about the AAA's 360 has including the PDZ-types did this. I DON'T think they're equal. I DO think time makes a difference and so does competition.

Quit tellimg me this. Tell all of your lemming buddies.

thats cause when the game came out at launch it was AAA so unless they rereview it, which would be unfair then its stll AAA

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

QFT!!:D

Halo3 earning AAA was like a punch in the gut for cows. Now all they have left is bringing up old scores.

:lol: I love it!

The_Crucible

I'll say it again and maybe you'll read it this time ........

HALO 3's score has nothing to do with this thread. I didn't write this to counter Halo 3's score. It deserved what it got, from what i undrstand.

Quit twisting my words.

I don't know about that... you do have a MGS4 signature... :P

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Listen, I'm not complaining about Halo 3's score. If its worthy, its worthy. I sure as heck think the score is a lot more real now than it would have been in 2005. It actually has some good competition to compare to. The game has met its hype, good for Halo.

I wrote this thread because of lemminsg blindly listing AAA titles like their all equal. Plain and simple.

I'm not denying 360 has more games. I'm not denying 360 has more "good" games. All I'm arguing is that PDZ doesn't equal the other games in its score range. Nor do the other titles I listed. Bioshock, GeOW, and Halo 3 are very good games, no doubt.

The_Crucible

PDZ sucks!

Now, are you satisfied? Feeling a bit better about how things are going for the PS3?

If not make me up a list of the rest of the 360 titles that you want me to say suck and I'll try to get back and diss them for you.

No need to thank me, thats just the kind of guy I am.

All be satisfied when all lemmings stop using a blind list of all AAA's for 360 when entering any debate. Its used as ammo waaaaaay too often. And then you have to stop the conversation to get that ignorance to shut up. Its annoying as hell.

It is never gonna happen... Regardless of how you or anyone else feels about it, the game scored AAA, therefore it is ammo for lems.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]

.... more idiots comparing PDZ to games like Bioshock

hmmm 2007 standards > 2005 standards

ParadiddleFill

Well the first flaw I see is that you are comparing between different review systems...

snyper1982

Listen, I didn't start this comparison, lemmings did. Every lemmings who talks about the AAA's 360 has including the PDZ-types did this. I DON'T think they're equal. I DO think time makes a difference and so does competition.

Quit tellimg me this. Tell all of your lemming buddies.

thats cause when the game came out at launch it was AAA so unless they rereview it, which would be unfair then its stll AAA

I'm not asking games to be rereviewed. just for lemmings to stop holding these games up as equals. (haven't I said this already???)

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

QFT!!:D

Halo3 earning AAA was like a punch in the gut for cows. Now all they have left is bringing up old scores.

:lol: I love it!

Doomlike_Mitc

I'll say it again and maybe you'll read it this time ........

HALO 3's score has nothing to do with this thread. I didn't write this to counter Halo 3's score. It deserved what it got, from what i undrstand.

Quit twisting my words.

I don't know about that... you do have a MGS4 signature... :P

What an ignorant statment. What does me having a MGS4 gif for over a week have to do with a halo 3 review that came out yesterday?

[QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]

.... more idiots comparing PDZ to games like Bioshock

hmmm 2007 standards > 2005 standards

The_Crucible

Well the first flaw I see is that you are comparing between different review systems...

snyper1982

Listen, I didn't start this comparison, lemmings did. Every lemmings who talks about the AAA's 360 has including the PDZ-types did this. I DON'T think they're equal. I DO think time makes a difference and so does competition.

Quit tellimg me this. Tell all of your lemming buddies.

Yes you might be right on the time comparison but the whole thing is it still got AAA bottom line there is nothing elese to talk about.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]

.... more idiots comparing PDZ to games like Bioshock

hmmm 2007 standards > 2005 standards

ParadiddleFill

Well the first flaw I see is that you are comparing between different review systems...

snyper1982

Listen, I didn't start this comparison, lemmings did. Every lemmings who talks about the AAA's 360 has including the PDZ-types did this. I DON'T think they're equal. I DO think time makes a difference and so does competition.

Quit tellimg me this. Tell all of your lemming buddies.

thats cause when the game came out at launch it was AAA so unless they rereview it, which would be unfair then its stll AAA

someone give this man a damn medal . PDZ was hella impressive for the 360 launch.

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]

.... more idiots comparing PDZ to games like Bioshock

hmmm 2007 standards > 2005 standards

The_Crucible

Well the first flaw I see is that you are comparing between different review systems...

snyper1982

Listen, I didn't start this comparison, lemmings did. Every lemmings who talks about the AAA's 360 has including the PDZ-types did this. I DON'T think they're equal. I DO think time makes a difference and so does competition.

Quit tellimg me this. Tell all of your lemming buddies.

thats cause when the game came out at launch it was AAA so unless they rereview it, which would be unfair then its stll AAA

I'm not asking games to be rereviewed. just for lemmings to stop holding these games up as equals. (haven't I said this already???)

there only doing it cause cows did it with the ps2 against the xbox, not to mention its kind of shoving it in cows faces that they were able to get a AAA game on launch and cows still dont have one

[QUOTE="daveg1"]

its the opinion of that person reviweing the game only...

plus pdz was done on the old system.

The_Crucible

Its also the opinion of every lemmings who likes to list all of the AAA 360 titles like they're all worthy and on the same level.

PDZ done on old system? Its a 360 game, reviewed as a 360 game.

the point the TC is trying to make is that 360 fanboys always talk about the AAA the 360 has where these games are acuall trash. when the 360 launch games came out they had nothing to compare to but ps2 games, and of course they're going to be a lot better than ps2 games therefore they got the score they got. The point is, 360 fanboys should stop saying how many AAA games they have, instead they should talk about how many good games they have like GeOW, and BioShock instead of bashing on the PS3 for not having as many AAA's where in fact the PS3's lauch Resistance beats any exclusive the 360 had for its entire first year.

the point the TC is trying to make is that 360 fanboys always talk about the AAA the 360 has where these games are acuall trash. when the 360 launch games came out they had nothing to compare to but ps2 games, and of course they're going to be a lot better than ps2 games therefore they got the score they got. The point is, 360 fanboys should stop saying how many AAA games they have, instead they should talk about how many good games they have like GeOW, and BioShock instead of bashing on the PS3 for not having as many AAA's where in fact the PS3's lauch Resistance beats any exclusive the 360 had for its entire first year.

The_Gamer81

Thank you but it won't matter. These lemmings like to talk in circles. First they tell me I'm an iodiot for comparing the games. Then, after I tell them that they're the idiots who compare them and place them as equals, they say, "well, it is what it is, although wrong, and it won't change, soooooo, we'll go ahead and use it against you anyway."

Its a douche burger with weak sauce all over it.

Prime example:

" Every lemmings who talks about the AAA's 360 has including the PDZ-types did this" Tough crap COW, PDZ got a AAA score end of story it's a AAA game regardless of your lame COW ridden opinion. PDZ can rightfully be used as a AAA game in arguments. Don't like it, don't care, so sad COW now go cry on your AAA-less PS3.swanlee

[QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]

.... more idiots comparing PDZ to games like Bioshock

hmmm 2007 standards > 2005 standards

The_Crucible

Well the first flaw I see is that you are comparing between different review systems...

snyper1982

Listen, I didn't start this comparison, lemmings did. Every lemmings who talks about the AAA's 360 has including the PDZ-types did this. I DON'T think they're equal. I DO think time makes a difference and so does competition.

Quit tellimg me this. Tell all of your lemming buddies.

So then should they only list AAA games that came out in the last year? LOL. Get a grip cow.

[QUOTE="Doomlike_Mitc"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

QFT!!:D

Halo3 earning AAA was like a punch in the gut for cows. Now all they have left is bringing up old scores.

:lol: I love it!

The_Crucible

I'll say it again and maybe you'll read it this time ........

HALO 3's score has nothing to do with this thread. I didn't write this to counter Halo 3's score. It deserved what it got, from what i undrstand.

Quit twisting my words.

I don't know about that... you do have a MGS4 signature... :P

What an ignorant statment. What does me having a MGS4 gif for over a week have to do with a halo 3 review that came out yesterday?

[QUOTE="The_Gamer81"]

the point the TC is trying to make is that 360 fanboys always talk about the AAA the 360 has where these games are acuall trash. when the 360 launch games came out they had nothing to compare to but ps2 games, and of course they're going to be a lot better than ps2 games therefore they got the score they got. The point is, 360 fanboys should stop saying how many AAA games they have, instead they should talk about how many good games they have like GeOW, and BioShock instead of bashing on the PS3 for not having as many AAA's where in fact the PS3's lauch Resistance beats any exclusive the 360 had for its entire first year.

The_Crucible

Thank you but it won't matter. These lemmings like to talk in circles. First they tell me I'm an iodiot for comparing the games. Then, after I tell them that they're the idiots who compare them and place them as equals, they say, "well, it is what it is, although wrong, and it won't change, soooooo, we'll go ahead and use it against you anyway."

Its a douche burger with weak sauce all over it.

Prime example:

" Every lemmings who talks about the AAA's 360 has including the PDZ-types did this" Tough crap COW, PDZ got a AAA score end of story it's a AAA game regardless of your lame COW ridden opinion. PDZ can rightfully be used as a AAA game in arguments. Don't like it, don't care, so sad COW now go cry on your AAA-less PS3.swanlee

tc wants the other racer to slow down so the race can be fair

the point the TC is trying to make is that 360 fanboys always talk about the AAA the 360 has where these games are acuall trash. when the 360 launch games came out they had nothing to compare to but ps2 games, and of course they're going to be a lot better than ps2 games therefore they got the score they got. The point is, 360 fanboys should stop saying how many AAA games they have, instead they should talk about how many good games they have like GeOW, and BioShock instead of bashing on the PS3 for not having as many AAA's where in fact the PS3's lauch Resistance beats any exclusive the 360 had for its entire first year.

The_Gamer81

Yeah, and dogs should stop licking themselves. It isn't gonna happen. You forget where you are? This is sytem wars buster.

[QUOTE="The_Gamer81"]

the point the TC is trying to make is that 360 fanboys always talk about the AAA the 360 has where these games are acuall trash. when the 360 launch games came out they had nothing to compare to but ps2 games, and of course they're going to be a lot better than ps2 games therefore they got the score they got. The point is, 360 fanboys should stop saying how many AAA games they have, instead they should talk about how many good games they have like GeOW, and BioShock instead of bashing on the PS3 for not having as many AAA's where in fact the PS3's lauch Resistance beats any exclusive the 360 had for its entire first year.

The_Crucible

Thank you but it won't matter. These lemmings like to talk in circles. First they tell me I'm an iodiot for comparing the games. Then, after I tell them that they're the idiots who compare them and place them as equals, they say, "well, it is what it is, although wrong, and it won't change, soooooo, we'll go ahead and use it against you anyway."

Its a douche burger with weak sauce all over it.

Prime example:

" Every lemmings who talks about the AAA's 360 has including the PDZ-types did this" Tough crap COW, PDZ got a AAA score end of story it's a AAA game regardless of your lame COW ridden opinion. PDZ can rightfully be used as a AAA game in arguments. Don't like it, don't care, so sad COW now go cry on your AAA-less PS3.swanlee

So if asked to list great PS2 games, you would only use the most recent ones released right? Because obviously the old games don't stand up to the new ones....

xbox 360 had a AAA on launch deal with it.

[QUOTE="The_Gamer81"]

the point the TC is trying to make is that 360 fanboys always talk about the AAA the 360 has where these games are acuall trash. when the 360 launch games came out they had nothing to compare to but ps2 games, and of course they're going to be a lot better than ps2 games therefore they got the score they got. The point is, 360 fanboys should stop saying how many AAA games they have, instead they should talk about how many good games they have like GeOW, and BioShock instead of bashing on the PS3 for not having as many AAA's where in fact the PS3's lauch Resistance beats any exclusive the 360 had for its entire first year.

The_Crucible

Thank you but it won't matter. These lemmings like to talk in circles. First they tell me I'm an iodiot for comparing the games. Then, after I tell them that they're the idiots who compare them and place them as equals, they say, "well, it is what it is, although wrong, and it won't change, soooooo, we'll go ahead and use it against you anyway."

Its a douche burger with weak sauce all over it.

Prime example:

" Every lemmings who talks about the AAA's 360 has including the PDZ-types did this" Tough crap COW, PDZ got a AAA score end of story it's a AAA game regardless of your lame COW ridden opinion. PDZ can rightfully be used as a AAA game in arguments. Don't like it, don't care, so sad COW now go cry on your AAA-less PS3.swanlee

Dead Rising>RFOM

and as for AAA's Oblivion was a 12 month exclusive and it poo poos all over resistance.

I just feel sorry for cows now. All the weird, non-points they try to make in order to justify $700 wasted dollars... its pretty sad.trollop_scat

Wow the cost for PS3 goes up almost as fast as the Heavenly Sword time-of-play goes down.

the point the TC is trying to make is that 360 fanboys always talk about the AAA the 360 has where these games are acuall trash. when the 360 launch games came out they had nothing to compare to but ps2 games, and of course they're going to be a lot better than ps2 games therefore they got the score they got. The point is, 360 fanboys should stop saying how many AAA games they have, instead they should talk about how many good games they have like GeOW, and BioShock instead of bashing on the PS3 for not having as many AAA's where in fact the PS3's lauch Resistance beats any exclusive the 360 had for its entire first year.

The_Gamer81

Gears was withing the 360's first year, and Resistance can't hold its jock. Resistance is definitely a good game, but it's a fairly normal (if well done) FPS. Gears pretty much turned all shooters up a notch.

And as to whether or not the 360's AAA titles are garbage, the beauty of System Wars is...It doesn't matter. When you're arguing in SW, you have to accept that if a game gets a 9.0, it's AAA, end of story. I don't always agree (I think MP3 should've been at least a 9.0), and you clearly don't either, but that's the way it goes here.

[QUOTE="trollop_scat"]I just feel sorry for cows now. All the weird, non-points they try to make in order to justify $700 wasted dollars... its pretty sad.The_Crucible

Wow the cost for PS3 goes up almost as fast as the Heavenly Sword time-of-play goes down.

Quick, go have a read of sony defence force, then you'll feel better! lol