Tell me lemmings............

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="The_Gamer81"]

the point the TC is trying to make is that 360 fanboys always talk about the AAA the 360 has where these games are acuall trash. when the 360 launch games came out they had nothing to compare to but ps2 games, and of course they're going to be a lot better than ps2 games therefore they got the score they got. The point is, 360 fanboys should stop saying how many AAA games they have, instead they should talk about how many good games they have like GeOW, and BioShock instead of bashing on the PS3 for not having as many AAA's where in fact the PS3's lauch Resistance beats any exclusive the 360 had for its entire first year.

Teh_Bob

Thank you but it won't matter. These lemmings like to talk in circles. First they tell me I'm an iodiot for comparing the games. Then, after I tell them that they're the idiots who compare them and place them as equals, they say, "well, it is what it is, although wrong, and it won't change, soooooo, we'll go ahead and use it against you anyway."

Its a douche burger with weak sauce all over it.

Prime example:

" Every lemmings who talks about the AAA's 360 has including the PDZ-types did this" Tough crap COW, PDZ got a AAA score end of story it's a AAA game regardless of your lame COW ridden opinion. PDZ can rightfully be used as a AAA game in arguments. Don't like it, don't care, so sad COW now go cry on your AAA-less PS3.swanlee

Dead Rising>RFOM

and as for AAA's Oblivion was a 12 month exclusive and it poo poos all over resistance.

Ooooh, excellent point about Dead Rising, aka my favorite game on the 360. Between Gears, Dead Rising and Oblivion, MS had last year covered...

Ooooh, excellent point about Dead Rising, aka my favorite game on the 360. Between Gears, Dead Rising and Oblivion, MS had last year covered...SeanBond

Unfortunately Crucible is scared to debate this point. He wants to attack PDZ score but ignore the fact that many games on the 360 were underrated. Of course this makes the PS3 look worse so he just puts his fingers in his ears :lol:

Do you really agree with 360 review scores? Seriously? I mean, we always hear about your AAA lineup. And how it doesn't matter whether there was competition around when some of those games were reviewed. I just don't see it. Let's take a look, shall we?

PDZ: Is this game really only .5 points below Halo 3? Are you telling us that PDZ is as good as Halo 3? Its as good as Bioshock?

Oblivion: This game is .1 points better than Halo 3? .6 better than Bioshock?

Graw: This game is better than Bioshock? Its only .3 points below Halo 3?

Now, don't get it twisted. I'm not saying these games aren't good, not at all. All I'm saying is that their score is much different than what it would have been had those games come out when there was more cometition. Even competition on the same console, 360.

I can't believe anyone would actually think PDZ should be inline with Halo 3 and Bioshock. Its just insane.

The_Crucible

I agree with Gameranking scores more then Gamespot's. Right now Gamerankins has Halo 3 ata 9.6 score. So yes, I agree with that. Since I've already started playing the game, I agree even more. I gave PDZ 8.5.

xbox 360 had a AAA on launch deal with it.

ParadiddleFill

Again youre logic outshines about every post in this thread. It must be the case. What else could it be ?

So why again did you create this thread? You seem to be saying that you think PDZ didn't deserve its score, but then again, you also seem to be using that one example to try and make some sort of commentary on X360 scores as a whole. I mean the first line of your post says "Do you really agree with 360 review scores?"

Now you may be able to make a case that PDZ got a score higher than it deserved, and yes, I would agree with you, because the single player absolutely sucked. But aside from that one example you'll be hard pressed to find any X360 game that scored higher than it deserved, especially among the AAA titles.

Besides, who said reviews were impartial? Thats the nature of a one man review system.

MOOOOO MOOOOOO MOOOOO, MOOOOO,MOOOOO. PDZ didn't deserve AAA, WAAA WAAA WAAA MOOOO MOOOO MOOOO. I'm sad I wasted so much money on the PS3 so I'm going to try and tear up every 360 AAA title starting with PDZ, MOOOOO MOOOOO MOOOOO, My opinion overides Gamespot reviews cause I think I'm a GOD, MOOOOO MOOOO MOOOO. I have to go now it is time for me to be MILKED MOOOO MOOOO MOOOO

The_Crucible

I have no idea what the topic creator is trying to say. Are they trying to say that Halo 3 is overrated and doesn't deserve the score it received? That must be it because they are talking about PDZ.

But here are two things that I would like to point out:

Halo 3 got an 9.5 here and got glowing reviews everywhere else.

PDZ scored a 9.0 here and didn't get glowing reviews everywhere else.

PDZ may not have deserved its score, but Gamestop seemed to like it. It was an opinion. Halo 3, however, is widely praised across all websites and publications so it's not like it scored high on Gamestop and no where else.

I have no idea what the topic creator is trying to say. Are they trying to say that Halo 3 is overrated and doesn't deserve the score it received? That must be it because they are talking about PDZ.

But here are two things that I would like to point out:

Halo 3 got an 9.5 here and got glowing reviews everywhere else.

PDZ scored a 9.0 here and didn't get glowing reviews everywhere else.

PDZ may not have deserved its score, but Gamestop seemed to like it. It was an opinion. Halo 3, however, is widely praised across all websites and publications so it's not like it scored high on Gamestop and no where else.

thinicer

Honestly, I liked PDZ. It wasn't the greatest game ever, but it was pretty solid. For a launch title, it did what it needed to do (the graphics were flashy for the time, and gameplay was exciting). Hell, it even had a cover system in some ways similar to that of Gears (although it didn't work nearly as well)! If it was retroactively reviewed I'm sure it would get much closer to an 8.0, but at the time I don't think an 8.5 or 9.0 would be too harsh. This was two years ago, after all.

Whether people believe PD0 to be AAA worthy or not doesn't matter. This is system wars, and by system wars rules games scored 9.0+ are AAA, and are then used at ammo against rival systems. What? Do you want lemmings to suddenly take PD0 out of their AAA lists simply because you dont believe it deserved that score when compared to other games? There is a whole world of games that should have been scored higher/lower, but you have to realize its all simply opinion.HappyAppe

I see you what ur saying but IF there is a general consensus that this game was overrated & that it isnt AAA then I dont see why it shouldnt be removed. IF you ask me & very MANY X360 owners- they'll tell you that COD2 owns PDZ by a mile- in single player & multiplayer- yet COD2 got 8.8 & PDZ 9.0. IMO PDZ would be lucky to get 8.5 & COD2 deserves atleast a 9.0 if not more.

[QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]

.... more idiots comparing PDZ to games like Bioshock

hmmm 2007 standards > 2005 standards

The_Crucible

Well the first flaw I see is that you are comparing between different review systems...

snyper1982

Listen, I didn't start this comparison, lemmings did. Every lemmings who talks about the AAA's 360 has including the PDZ-types did this. I DON'T think they're equal. I DO think time makes a difference and so does competition.

Quit tellimg me this. Tell all of your lemming buddies.

"PDZ: Is this game really only .5 points below Halo 3? Are you telling us that PDZ is as good as Halo 3? Its as good as Bioshock?

Oblivion: This game is .1 points better than Halo 3? .6 better than Bioshock?

Graw: This game is better than Bioshock? Its only .3 points below Halo 3?"

That looks like comparing to me.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]

.... more idiots comparing PDZ to games like Bioshock

hmmm 2007 standards > 2005 standards

TheJustin

Well the first flaw I see is that you are comparing between different review systems...

snyper1982

Listen, I didn't start this comparison, lemmings did. Every lemmings who talks about the AAA's 360 has including the PDZ-types did this. I DON'T think they're equal. I DO think time makes a difference and so does competition.

Quit tellimg me this. Tell all of your lemming buddies.

"PDZ: Is this game really only .5 points below Halo 3? Are you telling us that PDZ is as good as Halo 3? Its as good as Bioshock?

Oblivion: This game is .1 points better than Halo 3? .6 better than Bioshock?

Graw: This game is better than Bioshock? Its only .3 points below Halo 3?"

That looks like comparing to me.

sssshhh you'll point out the giant flaws in his logic next! :P

The games were scored fairly based on when they were released. Perhaps they got a little carried away with PDZ, but Oblivion well deserved its 9.6 for its time.

Seriously dude, you just sounding so jealous or something.

TC,let me sum this up for you.

PDZ=AAA

Halo trilogy=AAA

have a tissue, and go have yourself a cry, and deal widit.

"I see you what ur saying but IF there is a general consensus that this game was overrated & that it isnt AAA then I dont see why it shouldnt be removed." Here at SW you can't just pick and choose what rules are followed when. You think it's chaos now, it were be pure chaos if some of these rules weren't in place. This is a Gamespot message board, only Gamespot reviews are valid PDZ got a AAA rating thus here in a Gamespot forum it can be used as a AAA game. It's pretty simple, people's opinions are nice and all but it does not over ride the fact that it got a AAA rating. If a crappy PS3 game managed to get a AAA rating COWS would be able to use that game. If you throw the rules out to appease a bunch of COWS then any semblance of order goes down the toilet. These are the rules we all live by so there should be no exceptions.swanlee

I see what ur saying - we cant just pick & change the scores etc etc but come on- i know there was lots of good things about PDZ but it didnt deserve 9.0- only a very big Perfect Dark fan would score it so high. like ive said already- COD2 stomped all over it at the time & scored .2 less. IF Cows want PDZ removed from the X360 AAA list then we should be allowed to add COD2 to it. fair trade if you ask me. obviously it aint gonna happen- but in a hypothetical sense COD2 deserves the higher gamespot score.

Having completed PDZ & played a bit of online(& gotten bored with it in comparison to COD2)- id personally rate it 8.2- which is a respectable score for a game that has many positive aspects. just its storyline was a little hazy, gameplay not particularly fresh & multiplayer was good in some ways but lacked the fun of COD2.

The games were scored fairly based on when they were released. Perhaps they got a little carried away with PDZ, but Oblivion well deserved its 9.6 for its time.

Seriously dude, you just sounding so jealous or something.

GazzaB

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Do you really agree with 360 review scores? Seriously? I mean, we always hear about your AAA lineup. And how it doesn't matter whether there was competition around when some of those games were reviewed. I just don't see it. Let's take a look, shall we?

PDZ: Is this game really only .5 points below Halo 3? Are you telling us that PDZ is as good as Halo 3? Its as good as Bioshock?

Oblivion: This game is .1 points better than Halo 3? .6 better than Bioshock?

Graw: This game is better than Bioshock? Its only .3 points below Halo 3?

Now, don't get it twisted. I'm not saying these games aren't good, not at all. All I'm saying is that their score is much different than what it would have been had those games come out when there was more cometition. Even competition on the same console, 360.

I can't believe anyone would actually think PDZ should be inline with Halo 3 and Bioshock. Its just insane.

TTDog

Thatsa problem with reviews though, they are scores given at that time, PDZ would never score the same mark if it were released now, it may have been worthy of the score 2 years ago when it came out but not now.

Only way around that would be to re-review and re-rate every game every 2 or 3 months.... not really a viable option is it?

Nor can you compare the World in conflict score to Halo 3, totally different genres, its like comparing chalk to cheese.

If people/cows want to keep harping on about Bioshock being on the same level as PDZ just because of the review score they need to remember thatusing that logic PDZ is better than any PS3 game ever released.

Exactly. The scores are contingent upon the time of their release. If a game gets a 9.0 it doesnt mean its a better game than an 8.5 game 2 years down the road. Also those scores are based on a single opininon.

We use those scores because theres really no other way to judge whats good and bad on here.

Stop with the damage control its getting old just accept the AAAs and move on. Im sure the PS3 will get some someday.

[QUOTE="TTDog"]

Thatsa problem with reviews though, they are scores given at that time, PDZ would never score the same mark if it were released now, it may have been worthy of the score 2 years ago when it came out but not now.

Only way around that would be to re-review and re-rate every game every 2 or 3 months.... not really a viable option is it?

Nor can you compare the World in conflict score to Halo 3, totally different genres, its like comparing chalk to cheese.

If people/cows want to keep harping on about Bioshock being on the same level as PDZ just because of the review score they need to remember thatusing that logic PDZ is better than any PS3 game ever released.

The_Crucible

First, I'm not asking anyone to change their reviews.

Second, I never said Halo 3 and Bioshock didn't deserve their scores. Its the earlier reviewed games that don't. Its lemmings that group them together as equals not myself or other cows.

Third, if you really think PDZ is better than ANY PS3 game released, you need a reality check. You are the definition of "fanboy."

Way to completely miss the point.

All I was saying was that you can't compare a game that gets 9 almost 2 years ago to a game that gets 9 now, and for all the cows that harped "Bioshock is only as good as PDZ... they got the same mark" are owning themselves as PDZ's 9 is more than pretty much EVERY PS3 game released. It certainly wasn't lemmings that started laughing when the Bioshock score was revealed as saying it was the same as PDZ... that was purely cows trying to bad mouth a game they won't get to play on the PS3... and it failed... yet cows still bring it up in pompous threads like this.

PDZ may well have deserved its 9 back when it was reviewed and as the scores don't change then it still gets classed as AAA, if you think that something that old doesn't deserve to be classed that highly then almost every PS2 classic that scored 9 or more three years ago can now be dismissed as over rated as well.

[QUOTE="TTDog"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Do you really agree with 360 review scores? Seriously? I mean, we always hear about your AAA lineup. And how it doesn't matter whether there was competition around when some of those games were reviewed. I just don't see it. Let's take a look, shall we?

PDZ: Is this game really only .5 points below Halo 3? Are you telling us that PDZ is as good as Halo 3? Its as good as Bioshock?

Oblivion: This game is .1 points better than Halo 3? .6 better than Bioshock?

Graw: This game is better than Bioshock? Its only .3 points below Halo 3?

Now, don't get it twisted. I'm not saying these games aren't good, not at all. All I'm saying is that their score is much different than what it would have been had those games come out when there was more cometition. Even competition on the same console, 360.

I can't believe anyone would actually think PDZ should be inline with Halo 3 and Bioshock. Its just insane.

hazuki87

Thatsa problem with reviews though, they are scores given at that time, PDZ would never score the same mark if it were released now, it may have been worthy of the score 2 years ago when it came out but not now.

Only way around that would be to re-review and re-rate every game every 2 or 3 months.... not really a viable option is it?

Nor can you compare the World in conflict score to Halo 3, totally different genres, its like comparing chalk to cheese.

If people/cows want to keep harping on about Bioshock being on the same level as PDZ just because of the review score they need to remember thatusing that logic PDZ is better than any PS3 game ever released.

Exactly. The scores are contingent upon the time of their release. If a game gets a 9.0 it doesnt mean its a better game than an 8.5 game 2 years down the road. Also those scores are based on a single opininon.

We use those scores because theres really no other way to judge whats good and bad on here.

Stop with the damage control its getting old just accept the AAAs and move on. Im sure the PS3 will get some someday.

Glad to see that there are people out there that can understand my point without going all fanboy about it, games age, every game ages, there aren't games that suddenly get better two years later... in two yeras time people won't be saying "Lair may have scored 4.5 when it came out, but by golly its worth at least an 8.5 now"

PS3 wise the waiting hasn't helped, back when Heavenly Short and Lair were announced they looked great, but in the years wait since then other games (Gears, Bioshock and Ninja Gaiden Sigma) have shown what "next-gen" games should be like and by the time these "big hitters" finally came out they already looked old and jaded.

Do you really agree with 360 review scores? Seriously? I mean, we always hear about your AAA lineup. And how it doesn't matter whether there was competition around when some of those games were reviewed. I just don't see it. Let's take a look, shall we?

PDZ: Is this game really only .5 points below Halo 3? Are you telling us that PDZ is as good as Halo 3? Its as good as Bioshock?

Oblivion: This game is .1 points better than Halo 3? .6 better than Bioshock?

Graw: This game is better than Bioshock? Its only .3 points below Halo 3?

Now, don't get it twisted. I'm not saying these games aren't good, not at all. All I'm saying is that their score is much different than what it would have been had those games come out when there was more cometition. Even competition on the same console, 360.

I can't believe anyone would actually think PDZ should be inline with Halo 3 and Bioshock. Its just insane.

The_Crucible

To compare PDZ and oblivion. There completly differant genres. PDZ made be good as an FPS , whereas oblivion may be good as an RPG. You see they both may be good for that type of genre. They tend not to fall in the same catagory

[QUOTE="Forock"]Oblivion is a lot better than Bioshock...BioShockOwnz

Ouch. Oblivion couldn't even live up to its past. Morrowind tears it apart.

Agreed. The hand holding, silly persuasion system, and total enemy scaling makes Oblivion inferior to Morrowind. Morrowind is probably my favorite RPG ever. Oblivion is good, but they watered it down too much. Bioshock is defintely better.

You have to remember that standards change all the time. If the 10.00 THPS3 was released today it would get probably below the 7 mark. Not only that but different reviewers have different opinions and standards of what makes a good game.

The reviews on GS are generally very reliable on if a game is good or not.