The 360 has achieved roughly half the sales of the Xbox in half the time

Right now I believe it stands at around 16-17 million sold. It was at around 12-13 million back in November, two years after it launched, and its second year sales were lower than its first year sales. The Xbox achieved 25 million in four years.

It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first.

Right now I believe it stands at around 16-17 million sold. It was at around 12-13 million back in November, two years after it launched, and its second year sales were lower than its first year sales. The Xbox achieved 25 million in four years.

It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first.

mjarantilla

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Right now I believe it stands at around 16-17 million sold. It was at around 12-13 million back in November, two years after it launched, and its second year sales were lower than its first year sales. The Xbox achieved 25 million in four years.

It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first.

too_much_eslim

No thanks. Except for a small and very short spurt, price drops only sustain sales, they never raise them.

• It's kept a higher price point for much longer this time
• It's software sales are huge
• It's looking good for 35 - 40m sold by the end of this gen

Also consider, PS3 is following a similar pattern and only the Wii seems to be htting the numbers the PS2 did last gen!

Either way, there will be another Xbox in a few years, Microsoft arn't going anywhere particularly when the console division is turning a good profit!

thge wii has achieved all the sales of the gamecube in 1 yearthe_h_bomb

I think the competition is much more fierce this time around. Also, the Japanese refusal to integrate the 360 in with its homegrown products is starting to show its effect.

• It's kept a higher price point for much longer this time
• It's software sales are huge
• It's looking good for 35 - 40m sold by the end of this gen

Also consider, PS3 is following a similar pattern and only the Wii seems to be htting the numbers the PS2 did last gen!

Either way, there will be another Xbox in a few years, Microsoft arn't going anywhere particularly when the console division is turning a good profit!

DAZZER7

And?musicalmac

and what?

the Xbox brand just isn't popular outside of America

given the RROD and if speculation that they are already pushing their next system out is true than it probably wont really surpass the original in sales

The 360 is doing way better than the xbox. When the xbox came out it struggled very much in sales and the ps2 kept outselling them by 5-6 mil each year. Amd it only sold abiut 26 mil after 4yrs. BUT.......the xbox never turned a profit for MS, even with the 50 bucks live offer, thats why MS pulled the plug from the 360 and this gen the 360 is making a profit within is 2nd year. So logically the 360 should stay for about 5-6yrs while MS hashas also confirmed the 360 will stay for 5+ years.

The 360 is doing way better than the xbox. When the xbox came out it struggled very much in sales and the ps2 kept outselling them by 5-6 mil each year. Amd it only sold abiut 26 mil after 4yrs. BUT.......the xbox never turned a profit for MS, even with the 50 bucks live offer, thats why MS pulled the plug from the 360 and this gen the 360 is making a profit within is 2nd year. So logically the 360 should stay for about 5-6yrs while MS hashas also confirmed the 360 will stay for 5+ years.

Right now I believe it stands at around 16-17 million sold. It was at around 12-13 million back in November, two years after it launched, and its second year sales were lower than its first year sales. The Xbox achieved 25 million in four years.

It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first.

mjarantilla

The Xbox sold 24 million in four years and the Xbox 360 sold 16-17 million in two years, how is that roughly half?

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Right now I believe it stands at around 16-17 million sold. It was at around 12-13 million back in November, two years after it launched, and its second year sales were lower than its first year sales. The Xbox achieved 25 million in four years.

It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first.

mjarantilla

No thanks. Except for a small and very short spurt, price drops only sustain sales, they never raise them.

[QUOTE="DAZZER7"]

• It's kept a higher price point for much longer this time
• It's software sales are huge
• It's looking good for 35 - 40m sold by the end of this gen

Also consider, PS3 is following a similar pattern and only the Wii seems to be htting the numbers the PS2 did last gen!

Either way, there will be another Xbox in a few years, Microsoft arn't going anywhere particularly when the console division is turning a good profit!

deadmeat59

Nope its not mate is it, :roll:

But then, thats if we're going by the 120m PS2s sold last gen! I dont think even the Wii will reach those numbers!

Considering last gens numbers, considering the performance of the PS3 this gen, its really not bad! Not great but not bad! It's certainly no Dreamcast like many predicted at the beginning of this gen!

just one more thing: Come on England tonight!!

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Right now I believe it stands at around 16-17 million sold. It was at around 12-13 million back in November, two years after it launched, and its second year sales were lower than its first year sales. The Xbox achieved 25 million in four years.

It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first.

BreakingPoint8

The Xbox sold 24 million in four years and the Xbox 360 sold 16-17 million in two years, how is that roughly half?

The Xbox 360 sold 12-13 million in two years. It's at 16-17 million NOW, three months after the two-year mark and after the big holiday season.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Right now I believe it stands at around 16-17 million sold. It was at around 12-13 million back in November, two years after it launched, and its second year sales were lower than its first year sales. The Xbox achieved 25 million in four years.

It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first.

BreakingPoint8

No thanks. Except for a small and very short spurt, price drops only sustain sales, they never raise them.

I can't tell if you're joking or not. The PS3's sales patterns haven't changed yet, despite multiple price drops and/or upgrades. It's still faaaaaar behind in North America, and it's ahead of the 360 but still far behind the Wii in both Japan and Europe.

Also note that the 360 had a price drop this year AND an upgrade AND its biggest game, yet sold fewer than it did in its first year.

Right now I believe it stands at around 16-17 million sold. It was at around 12-13 million back in November, two years after it launched, and its second year sales were lower than its first year sales. The Xbox achieved 25 million in four years.

It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first.

mjarantilla

Xbox was available in stores for 5 years, not 4.

You are crazy if you think the 360 is selling the same as the original Xbox. Just do the math and it's easy to see it will surpass the original Xbox by the end of 2008, thus doing the same sales in 3 years instead of 5.

That would make it "roughly" twice as much sales.

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]You're right, just look at the Playstation 3, that didn't boost sales at all!
mjarantilla

I can't tell if you're joking or not. The PS3's sales patterns haven't changed yet, despite multiple price drops and/or upgrades. It's still faaaaaar behind in North America, and it's ahead of the 360 but still far behind the Wii in both Japan and Europe.

Also note that the 360 had a price drop this year AND an upgrade AND its biggest game, yet sold fewer than it did in its first year.

Do you really think the PS3's sales would have been the exact same as they are now had the price changes not happened?

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Right now I believe it stands at around 16-17 million sold. It was at around 12-13 million back in November, two years after it launched, and its second year sales were lower than its first year sales. The Xbox achieved 25 million in four years.

It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first.

mjarantilla

The Xbox sold 24 million in four years and the Xbox 360 sold 16-17 million in two years, how is that roughly half?

The Xbox 360 sold 12-13 million in two years. It's at 16-17 million NOW, three months after the two-year mark and after the big holiday season.

You're just trying to start a flame war, have fun with that.

I hate when people over simplify things just to start arguments, I would love to have a real debate one of these days. That won't happen with someone who actually has a signature showing what percentage he is for each fanboy type.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Right now I believe it stands at around 16-17 million sold. It was at around 12-13 million back in November, two years after it launched, and its second year sales were lower than its first year sales. The Xbox achieved 25 million in four years.

It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first.

Bgrngod

Xbox was available in stores for 5 years, not 4.

You are crazy if you think the 360 is selling the same as the original Xbox. Just do the math and it's easy to see it will surpass the original Xbox by the end of 2008, thus doing the same sales in 3 years instead of 5.

That would make it "roughly" twice as much sales.

The Xbox was released at the end of 2001. It was at 24-25 million at the end of 2005.

Nov 2001 to Nov 2002 = 1st year
Nov 2002 to Nov 2003 = 2nd year
Nov 2003 to Nov 2004 = 3rd year
Nov 2004 to Nov 2005 = 4th year

As for the 360 "exceeding" Xbox sales rate, no. The Xbox 360 was released on Nov. 2005. By Nov. 2006, i.e. the end of its first year, the Xbox 360 had sold 6-7 million units. By November 2007, i.e. the end of its second year, it had sold 12-13 million units. 12 million is half of what? 2 years is half of what? That's right. 12 million is half of 24 million, and 2 years is half of 4 years.

I can't believe I had to spell that out for you.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]You're right, just look at the Playstation 3, that didn't boost sales at all!
Bgrngod

I can't tell if you're joking or not. The PS3's sales patterns haven't changed yet, despite multiple price drops and/or upgrades. It's still faaaaaar behind in North America, and it's ahead of the 360 but still far behind the Wii in both Japan and Europe.

Also note that the 360 had a price drop this year AND an upgrade AND its biggest game, yet sold fewer than it did in its first year.

Do you really think the PS3's sales would have been the exact same as they are now had the price changes not happened?

Thanks for making my point for me: price points sustain sales, they don't raise them.

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Right now I believe it stands at around 16-17 million sold. It was at around 12-13 million back in November, two years after it launched, and its second year sales were lower than its first year sales. The Xbox achieved 25 million in four years.

It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first.

mjarantilla

Xbox was available in stores for 5 years, not 4.

You are crazy if you think the 360 is selling the same as the original Xbox. Just do the math and it's easy to see it will surpass the original Xbox by the end of 2008, thus doing the same sales in 3 years instead of 5.

That would make it "roughly" twice as much sales.

The Xbox was released at the end of 2001. It was at 24-25 million at the end of 2005.

Nov 2001 to Nov 2002 = 1st year
Nov 2002 to Nov 2003 = 2nd year
Nov 2003 to Nov 2004 = 3rd year
Nov 2004 to Nov 2005 = 4th year

As for the 360 "exceeding" Xbox sales rate, no. The Xbox 360 was released on Nov. 2005. By Nov. 2006, i.e. the end of its first year, the Xbox 360 had sold 6-7 million units. By November 2007, i.e. the end of its second year, it had sold 12-13 million units. 12 million is half of what? 2 years is half of what? That's right. 12 million is half of 24 million, and 2 years is half of 4 years.

I can't believe I had to spell that out for you.

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]You're right, just look at the Playstation 3, that didn't boost sales at all!
mjarantilla

I can't tell if you're joking or not. The PS3's sales patterns haven't changed yet, despite multiple price drops and/or upgrades. It's still faaaaaar behind in North America, and it's ahead of the 360 but still far behind the Wii in both Japan and Europe.

Also note that the 360 had a price drop this year AND an upgrade AND its biggest game, yet sold fewer than it did in its first year.

Do you really think the PS3's sales would have been the exact same as they are now had the price changes not happened?

Thanks for making my point for me: price points sustain sales, they don't raise them.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Right now I believe it stands at around 16-17 million sold. It was at around 12-13 million back in November, two years after it launched, and its second year sales were lower than its first year sales. The Xbox achieved 25 million in four years.

It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first.

mjarantilla

No thanks. Except for a small and very short spurt, price drops only sustain sales, they never raise them.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Right now I believe it stands at around 16-17 million sold. It was at around 12-13 million back in November, two years after it launched, and its second year sales were lower than its first year sales. The Xbox achieved 25 million in four years.

It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first.

BreakingPoint8

The Xbox sold 24 million in four years and the Xbox 360 sold 16-17 million in two years, how is that roughly half?

The Xbox 360 sold 12-13 million in two years. It's at 16-17 million NOW, three months after the two-year mark and after the big holiday season.

You're just trying to start a flame war, have fun with that.

I hate when people over simplify things just to start arguments, I would love to have a real debate one of these days. That won't happen with someone who actually has a signature showing what percentage he is for each fanboy type.

Macroscopic prediction, my friend. Complexities and sharp changes of individual elements often cancel each other out, and thus macro-scale patterns are often easier to predict because of it. Individual elements instead work as components of an overall whole, and a stable pattern emerges which can be predicted to a reasonable degree of accuracy.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Right now I believe it stands at around 16-17 million sold. It was at around 12-13 million back in November, two years after it launched, and its second year sales were lower than its first year sales. The Xbox achieved 25 million in four years.

It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first.

pins_basic

No thanks. Except for a small and very short spurt, price drops only sustain sales, they never raise them.

I think 12.5 is half of 25. Do do you think 27 months is half of 48? Because that's what you're saying. We just ended the 27th month of the 360's lifetime. At the end of the 24th month, the 360's sales were somewhere between 12-13 million.

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"]

Xbox was available in stores for 5 years, not 4.

You are crazy if you think the 360 is selling the same as the original Xbox. Just do the math and it's easy to see it will surpass the original Xbox by the end of 2008, thus doing the same sales in 3 years instead of 5.

That would make it "roughly" twice as much sales.

mjarantilla

The Xbox was released at the end of 2001. It was at 24-25 million at the end of 2005.

Nov 2001 to Nov 2002 = 1st year
Nov 2002 to Nov 2003 = 2nd year
Nov 2003 to Nov 2004 = 3rd year
Nov 2004 to Nov 2005 = 4th year

As for the 360 "exceeding" Xbox sales rate, no. The Xbox 360 was released on Nov. 2005. By Nov. 2006, i.e. the end of its first year, the Xbox 360 had sold 6-7 million units. By November 2007, i.e. the end of its second year, it had sold 12-13 million units. 12 million is half of what? 2 years is half of what? That's right. 12 million is half of 24 million, and 2 years is half of 4 years.

I can't believe I had to spell that out for you.

So you are saying the 360 has sold 12 million as of November 2007. Well we know it's at 17.7 million as of a few weeks ago, so you are trying to tell me that it has sold 5.7 million units in 2 months? Sound very much NOT like the Original Xbox sales to me.

Can't believe I had to spell THAT out for you.

No, he didn't prove your point, the Playstation 3 sales have gone up and stayed up since the price drop.
BreakingPoint8

actually last i checked the ps3's sales we're declining.

by the way price drops do raise sales...if not then why is it every system that has debuted before didn't reach mass sales and potentional before it had dropped half its price...

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]You're right, just look at the Playstation 3, that didn't boost sales at all!
BreakingPoint8

I can't tell if you're joking or not. The PS3's sales patterns haven't changed yet, despite multiple price drops and/or upgrades. It's still faaaaaar behind in North America, and it's ahead of the 360 but still far behind the Wii in both Japan and Europe.

Also note that the 360 had a price drop this year AND an upgrade AND its biggest game, yet sold fewer than it did in its first year.

Do you really think the PS3's sales would have been the exact same as they are now had the price changes not happened?

Thanks for making my point for me: price points sustain sales, they don't raise them.

No, they haven't. What you'll notice is that after the Q2 2007 (summer) slump that all consoles experienced, sales rose back up to their Q1 2007 levels for all three consoles.

Q1 2007: PS3 averaged 150,000/month
Q2 2007: PS3 averaged 90,000/month
Q3 2007: PS3 averaged 150,000/month

The 360 followed the same pattern, going from 200,000 to 150,000 to 200,000 again. The Wii was the only one exempt from this pattern because it was heavily supply-constrained.

With that, if the Xbox 360 had sold over 16 million by the end of December of 2007, then that would mean it's been selling on average 8 million a year, so with a price drop to sustain it's sales it'll pass 24 million by the end of 2008.

It's cute what you're trying to do, but the facts aren't on your side. Nor are the numbers that you seem to be pulling out of thin air.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"]

Xbox was available in stores for 5 years, not 4.

You are crazy if you think the 360 is selling the same as the original Xbox. Just do the math and it's easy to see it will surpass the original Xbox by the end of 2008, thus doing the same sales in 3 years instead of 5.

That would make it "roughly" twice as much sales.

Bgrngod

The Xbox was released at the end of 2001. It was at 24-25 million at the end of 2005.

Nov 2001 to Nov 2002 = 1st year
Nov 2002 to Nov 2003 = 2nd year
Nov 2003 to Nov 2004 = 3rd year
Nov 2004 to Nov 2005 = 4th year

As for the 360 "exceeding" Xbox sales rate, no. The Xbox 360 was released on Nov. 2005. By Nov. 2006, i.e. the end of its first year, the Xbox 360 had sold 6-7 million units. By November 2007, i.e. the end of its second year, it had sold 12-13 million units. 12 million is half of what? 2 years is half of what? That's right. 12 million is half of 24 million, and 2 years is half of 4 years.

I can't believe I had to spell that out for you.

So you are saying the 360 has sold 12 million as of November 2007. Well we know it's at 17.7 million as of a few weeks ago, so you are trying to tell me that it has sold 5.7 million units in 2 months? Sound very much NOT like the Original Xbox sales to me.

Can't believe I had to spell THAT out for you.

17.7 million? Who claims that? Microsoft? If so, then that's shipped, not sold. The 360 is still at around 16-17 million, and if the 360 was at 12-13 million prior to the holiday season (I'm leaning towards the latter: 13 million), then 4 million during the holiday season is more than plausible, considering that the original Xbox sold 1.2 million in December 2002 in North America alone.

With that, if the Xbox 360 had sold over 16 million by the end of December of 2007, then that would mean it's been selling on average 8 million a year, so with a price drop to sustain it's sales it'll pass 24 million by the end of 2008.

It's cute what you're trying to do, but the facts aren't on your side. Nor are the numbers that you seem to be pulling out of thin air.

BreakingPoint8

Are you listening? The 360's year doesn't end in December, it ends in the middle of November, the week before Black Friday. From November 2006 to November 2007, it only managed an additional 6-7 million.

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"]

Xbox was available in stores for 5 years, not 4.

You are crazy if you think the 360 is selling the same as the original Xbox. Just do the math and it's easy to see it will surpass the original Xbox by the end of 2008, thus doing the same sales in 3 years instead of 5.

That would make it "roughly" twice as much sales.

mjarantilla

The Xbox was released at the end of 2001. It was at 24-25 million at the end of 2005.

Nov 2001 to Nov 2002 = 1st year
Nov 2002 to Nov 2003 = 2nd year
Nov 2003 to Nov 2004 = 3rd year
Nov 2004 to Nov 2005 = 4th year

As for the 360 "exceeding" Xbox sales rate, no. The Xbox 360 was released on Nov. 2005. By Nov. 2006, i.e. the end of its first year, the Xbox 360 had sold 6-7 million units. By November 2007, i.e. the end of its second year, it had sold 12-13 million units. 12 million is half of what? 2 years is half of what? That's right. 12 million is half of 24 million, and 2 years is half of 4 years.

I can't believe I had to spell that out for you.

So you are saying the 360 has sold 12 million as of November 2007. Well we know it's at 17.7 million as of a few weeks ago, so you are trying to tell me that it has sold 5.7 million units in 2 months? Sound very much NOT like the Original Xbox sales to me.

Can't believe I had to spell THAT out for you.

17.7 million? Who claims that? Microsoft? If so, then that's shipped, not sold. The 360 is still at around 16-17 million, and if the 360 was at 12-13 million prior to the holiday season (I'm leaning towards the latter: 13 million), then 4 million during the holiday season is more than plausible, considering that the original Xbox sold 1.2 million in December 2002 in North America alone.

Ahh, so now you are throwing MS's "official" 360 numbers out the window, but the MS's "official" Xbox numbers are ok.

Picking and choosing the numbers you want to use is called SPIN.

But hey, I'll work with what you are giving me then. You are accepting that 360's sales may be around 16-17 million as of January 3rd then (the day they announced their sales last). The 360 launched on Nov 22nd in the US. That means that in roughly 6 weeks (again.. using YOUR 16 million number) that put's them at 4 million sales in a 6 week period. An average of 750k units per WEEK. Now tell me again when the Original Xbox ever sold an average of 750k per week.

Show your world wide numbers or don't even bother trying this.BreakingPoint8

17.7 million sold according to Microsoft.. Keeping in mind that "sold" according to MS means "shipped," then I think I'm more than justified in my claim that 16-17 million 360s have been actually sold to consumers. It's only an estimate, after all. I never claimed spot-on precision.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"]

Xbox was available in stores for 5 years, not 4.

You are crazy if you think the 360 is selling the same as the original Xbox. Just do the math and it's easy to see it will surpass the original Xbox by the end of 2008, thus doing the same sales in 3 years instead of 5.

That would make it "roughly" twice as much sales.

Bgrngod

The Xbox was released at the end of 2001. It was at 24-25 million at the end of 2005.

Nov 2001 to Nov 2002 = 1st year
Nov 2002 to Nov 2003 = 2nd year
Nov 2003 to Nov 2004 = 3rd year
Nov 2004 to Nov 2005 = 4th year

As for the 360 "exceeding" Xbox sales rate, no. The Xbox 360 was released on Nov. 2005. By Nov. 2006, i.e. the end of its first year, the Xbox 360 had sold 6-7 million units. By November 2007, i.e. the end of its second year, it had sold 12-13 million units. 12 million is half of what? 2 years is half of what? That's right. 12 million is half of 24 million, and 2 years is half of 4 years.

I can't believe I had to spell that out for you.

So you are saying the 360 has sold 12 million as of November 2007. Well we know it's at 17.7 million as of a few weeks ago, so you are trying to tell me that it has sold 5.7 million units in 2 months? Sound very much NOT like the Original Xbox sales to me.

Can't believe I had to spell THAT out for you.

17.7 million? Who claims that? Microsoft? If so, then that's shipped, not sold. The 360 is still at around 16-17 million, and if the 360 was at 12-13 million prior to the holiday season (I'm leaning towards the latter: 13 million), then 4 million during the holiday season is more than plausible, considering that the original Xbox sold 1.2 million in December 2002 in North America alone.

Ahh, so now you are throwing MS's "official" 360 numbers out the window, but the MS's "official" Xbox numbers are ok.

Picking and choosing the numbers you want to use is called SPIN.

I'm not using MS's official Xbox numbers. I'm using NPD. According to NPD, the Xbox sold 1,040,000 units in December 2002 and 1,100,000 units in December 2003. Both are only slightly over 100,000 less than the 360's December sales in 2006 and 2007 respectively.

(That's a message board like NeoGAF, but it's dedicated to sales threads, and no crap like VGChartz, only NPD and official Japanese sources, and European sources when available.)

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]Show your world wide numbers or don't even bother trying this.mjarantilla

17.7 million sold according to Microsoft.. Keeping in mind that "sold" according to MS means "shipped," then I think I'm more than justified in my claim that 16-17 million 360s have been actually sold to consumers. It's only an estimate, after all. I never claimed spot-on precision.

The original Xbox shipped 24 million, the Xbox 360 has shipped 17.7, it'll pass 24 million by the end of this year.

Now that we have that out of the way, let's let this thread die.

I'm not using MS's official Xbox numbers. I'm using NPD. According to NPD, the Xbox sold 1,040,000 units in December 2002 and 1,100,000 units in December 2003. Both are only slightly over 100,000 less than the 360's December sales in 2006 and 2007 respectively.

(That's a message board like NeoGAF, but it's dedicated to sales threads, and no crap like VGChartz, only NPD and official Japanese sources, and European sources when available.)

mjarantilla

But wait, you just told me that the 360 sold 4 million during the 2007 holiday. Isn't that WAY more then the Xbox's 1.1 million you just mentioned? I mean I could be wrong, but that IS roughly 4 times as many.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]Show your world wide numbers or don't even bother trying this.BreakingPoint8

17.7 million sold according to Microsoft.. Keeping in mind that "sold" according to MS means "shipped," then I think I'm more than justified in my claim that 16-17 million 360s have been actually sold to consumers. It's only an estimate, after all. I never claimed spot-on precision.

The original Xbox shipped 24 million, the Xbox 360 has shipped 17.7, it'll pass 24 million by the end of this year.

Now that we have that out of the way, let's let this thread die.

The Xbox 360 shipments stand at 17.7 million after a holiday season, which should not be factored into the 360's second year because, by definition, the "second year" ended at the end of the 24th month. We've currently started the 27th month (or is it the 28th?).

I'll admit that the 360 is tracking slightly ahead of the original Xbox, but it's no more than a 20% difference. Unfortunately no site tracks historical numbers except VGChartz.

[QUOTE="pins_basic"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Right now I believe it stands at around 16-17 million sold. It was at around 12-13 million back in November, two years after it launched, and its second year sales were lower than its first year sales. The Xbox achieved 25 million in four years.

It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first.

mjarantilla

No thanks. Except for a small and very short spurt, price drops only sustain sales, they never raise them.

I think 12.5 is half of 25. Do do you think 27 months is half of 48? Because that's what you're saying. We just ended the 27th month of the 360's lifetime. At the end of the 24th month, the 360's sales were somewhere between 12-13 million.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Right now I believe it stands at around 16-17 million sold. It was at around 12-13 million back in November, two years after it launched, and its second year sales were lower than its first year sales. The Xbox achieved 25 million in four years.

It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first.

mjarantilla

No thanks. Except for a small and very short spurt, price drops only sustain sales, they never raise them.

They don't? Cough... PS2... cough.

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]Show your world wide numbers or don't even bother trying this.mjarantilla

17.7 million sold according to Microsoft.. Keeping in mind that "sold" according to MS means "shipped," then I think I'm more than justified in my claim that 16-17 million 360s have been actually sold to consumers. It's only an estimate, after all. I never claimed spot-on precision.

The original Xbox shipped 24 million, the Xbox 360 has shipped 17.7, it'll pass 24 million by the end of this year.

Now that we have that out of the way, let's let this thread die.

The Xbox 360 shipments stand at 17.7 million after a holiday season, which should not be factored into the 360's second year because, by definition, the "second year" ended at the end of the 24th month. We've currently started the 27th month (or is it the 28th?).

I'll admit that the 360 is tracking slightly ahead of the original Xbox, but it's no more than a 20% difference. Unfortunately no site tracks historical numbers except VGChartz.

They announced on January 3rd that they shipped a total 17.7 million, it's safe to assume by the end of this year it'll surpass the original Xbox.

But wait, you just told me that the 360 sold 4 million during the 2007 holiday. Isn't that WAY more then the Xbox's 1.1 million you just mentioned? I mean I could be wrong, but that IS roughly 4 times as many.

Bgrngod

3-4 million worldwide. Again, do I have to spell that out for you?

VGChartz, unfortunately, is the best I can do: http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii®1=All&cons2=PS3®2=All&cons3=X360®3=All&start=39411&end=39446&weekly=1

Looks like I was wrong. Assuming VGChartz corrects their numbers to use official numbers, the Xbox 360 was at 14 million at the end of November, and was at 16 million by the end of December. 14 million in two years puts it slightly ahead of the Xbox.