The 360 has achieved roughly half the sales of the Xbox in half the time

thge wii has achieved all the sales of the gamecube in 1 yearthe_h_bomb

Wasn't hard though was it.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]Show your world wide numbers or don't even bother trying this.BreakingPoint8

17.7 million sold according to Microsoft.. Keeping in mind that "sold" according to MS means "shipped," then I think I'm more than justified in my claim that 16-17 million 360s have been actually sold to consumers. It's only an estimate, after all. I never claimed spot-on precision.

The original Xbox shipped 24 million, the Xbox 360 has shipped 17.7, it'll pass 24 million by the end of this year.

Now that we have that out of the way, let's let this thread die.

The Xbox 360 shipments stand at 17.7 million after a holiday season, which should not be factored into the 360's second year because, by definition, the "second year" ended at the end of the 24th month. We've currently started the 27th month (or is it the 28th?).

I'll admit that the 360 is tracking slightly ahead of the original Xbox, but it's no more than a 20% difference. Unfortunately no site tracks historical numbers except VGChartz.

They announced on January 3rd that they shipped a total 17.7 million, it's safe to assume by the end of this year it'll surpass the original Xbox.

I doubt that. The Xbox 360 is tracking at ~7 million per year (not 6 million like I previously thought). By the end of its fourth year, that would put it at around 28 million compared to the Xbox's 24 million.

[QUOTE="DAZZER7"]

• It's kept a higher price point for much longer this time
• It's software sales are huge
• It's looking good for 35 - 40m sold by the end of this gen

Also consider, PS3 is following a similar pattern and only the Wii seems to be htting the numbers the PS2 did last gen!

Either way, there will be another Xbox in a few years, Microsoft arn't going anywhere particularly when the console division is turning a good profit!

deadmeat59

PS3 is shaping upto sell exactly the same number.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Right now I believe it stands at around 16-17 million sold. It was at around 12-13 million back in November, two years after it launched, and its second year sales were lower than its first year sales. The Xbox achieved 25 million in four years.

It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first.

blackace

No thanks. Except for a small and very short spurt, price drops only sustain sales, they never raise them.

They don't? Cough... PS2... cough.

Actually, that's a myth. The PS2 sold fairly evenly throughout its seven years, averaging between 15 and 20 million per year. Its first year sales were only low because it had launched in Japan nine months before going to the US.

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]Show your world wide numbers or don't even bother trying this.mjarantilla

17.7 million sold according to Microsoft.. Keeping in mind that "sold" according to MS means "shipped," then I think I'm more than justified in my claim that 16-17 million 360s have been actually sold to consumers. It's only an estimate, after all. I never claimed spot-on precision.

The original Xbox shipped 24 million, the Xbox 360 has shipped 17.7, it'll pass 24 million by the end of this year.

Now that we have that out of the way, let's let this thread die.

The Xbox 360 shipments stand at 17.7 million after a holiday season, which should not be factored into the 360's second year because, by definition, the "second year" ended at the end of the 24th month. We've currently started the 27th month (or is it the 28th?).

I'll admit that the 360 is tracking slightly ahead of the original Xbox, but it's no more than a 20% difference. Unfortunately no site tracks historical numbers except VGChartz.

They announced on January 3rd that they shipped a total 17.7 million, it's safe to assume by the end of this year it'll surpass the original Xbox.

I doubt that. The Xbox 360 is tracking at ~7 million per year (not 6 million like I previously thought). By the end of its fourth year, that would put it at around 28 million compared to the Xbox's 24 million.

Not quite. 17.7 mil now after after just over two years, so add 14 mil to that (7 mil each years), thats 31.7 million consoles.

Over 3 million ahead.

• US$299 (November 15, 2001, Launch Price) (C$449)
• US$199 (May 15, 2002) (C$299)
• US$179 (May 14, 2003) (C$249)

That's the price chart for the original Xbox.

The Xbox 360 has sold faster with a larger price point, defective hardware and competing against the Playstation 3 and Wii.

It also crushes the original Xbox in software sales, in every territory.

Dont try to downplay what the Xbox 360 has accomplished given it's situation.

It's tracking at 7-8 million a year sold to consumers, that would put it over 23 million by the end of this year.

By the end of 2006 it had sold close to 8 million, by the end of 2007 it has sold over 16 million total.

Right now I believe it stands at around 16-17 million sold. It was at around 12-13 million back in November, two years after it launched, and its second year sales were lower than its first year sales. The Xbox achieved 25 million in four years.

It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first.

mjarantilla

Half the sales of the XBox in half the time?

Uhmmm....so basicaly the 360 is selling equal to what the Xbox sold during the same time period.

We knew that already.

So now you are admitting 16 million after two years instead of 12 million. A 33% increase over original Xbox sales is somehow magically "slightly" to you?

Using your numbers, that would put the 360 at roughly 24 million by Nov 22nd 2008, since it is selling 8 million per year and all.

So... 24 million in 3 years vs. the original Xbox's 24 in over 4 years.

Your entire argument is beginning to unravel right in front of you...

This is the last week of 2006:

7,959,844

This is the last week of 2007:

16,116,509

Can you sit there and honestly say it won't pass 24 million this year, with a price drop and Grand Theft Auto 4?

This is the last week of 2006:

7,959,844

This is the last week of 2007:

16,116,509

Can you sit there and honestly say it won't pass 24 million this year, with a price drop and Grand Theft Auto 4?

BreakingPoint8

Well what he is trying to do is exclude the 2007 holiday sales entirely from his argument. It helps it make his fudged original Xbox sales look slightly less then the 360's.

Too bad he is just using the original Xbox's LIFETIME sales as splitting them evenly per year to get his numbers. He doesn't seem to see any lack of logic in that.

So now you are admitting 16 million after two years instead of 12 million. A 33% increase over original Xbox sales is somehow magically "slightly" to you?

Using your numbers, that would put the 360 at roughly 24 million by Nov 22nd 2008, since it is selling 8 million per year and all.

So... 24 million in 3 years vs. the original Xbox's 24 in over 4 years.

Your entire argument is beginning to unravel right in front of you...

Bgrngod

No, I'm admitting 14 million instead of 12 million, genius. I said it's tracking at ~7 million per year.

This is the last week of 2006:

7,959,844

This is the last week of 2007:

16,116,509

Can you sit there and honestly say it won't pass 24 million this year, with a price drop and Grand Theft Auto 4?

BreakingPoint8

The end of the 360's "third year" is in November 2008, so yes, I don't think it will pass 24 million this year.

The Xbox 360 launched in November 22, 2005.

On Nov. 25, 2006, end of the 360's first year: 5,930,609

On Nov. 24, 2007, end of the 360's second year: 13,818,452

By November 22, 2008, end of the 360's third year, it will likely have reached around 20 million.

Per year it's selling around 8 million, last year it sold more then in 2006. It shipped less during the first half, but shipped more during the last six months compared to the last six months of 2006.

Year to year, not on the consoles birthday. Stop trying to twist it.

Week 115 for the Xbox 360 vs Xbox

Week 155 for the Xbox, the week it catchs up to the current Xbox 360 sales total.

Per year it's selling around 8 million, last year it sold more then in 2006. It shipped less during the first half, but shipped more during the last six months compared to the last six months of 2006.

Year to year, not on the consoles birthday. Stop trying to twist it.

BreakingPoint8

WRONG. Per year it's selling around 7 million.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Right now I believe it stands at around 16-17 million sold. It was at around 12-13 million back in November, two years after it launched, and its second year sales were lower than its first year sales. The Xbox achieved 25 million in four years.

It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first.

mjarantilla

No thanks. Except for a small and very short spurt, price drops only sustain sales, they never raise them.

How many PS2's sold after it fell below 199.99....

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]

Per year it's selling around 8 million, last year it sold more then in 2006. It shipped less during the first half, but shipped more during the last six months compared to the last six months of 2006.

Year to year, not on the consoles birthday. Stop trying to twist it.

mjarantilla

WRONG. Per year it's selling around 7 million.

So on January 5, 2009 it will be at 23.8 million then right?

Almost matching the original Xbox's sales in 3 years and 6 weeks.

I'm still failing to see how that "matches" in any way what-so-ever.

WRONG. Per year it's selling around 7 million.

I repeat:

The Xbox 360 launched in November 22, 2005.

On Nov. 25, 2006, end of the 360's first year: 5,930,609

On Nov. 24, 2007, end of the 360's second year: 13,818,452

You're counting it from January to January, but that's wrong because that excludes the 360's launch months. The 360 launched in November, so the 360's years should be measured from November to November.

If you really want to get technical:

January 7, 2006: 1,298,615

January 6, 2007: 8,103,877 (+6,805,262)

January 5, 2007: 16,331,346 (+8,227,469)

Average sold per year: 7,516,365.5

mjarantilla

Going by those numbers then it will surpass the original Xbox easly.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]

Per year it's selling around 8 million, last year it sold more then in 2006. It shipped less during the first half, but shipped more during the last six months compared to the last six months of 2006.

Year to year, not on the consoles birthday. Stop trying to twist it.

Bgrngod

WRONG. Per year it's selling around 7 million.

So on January 5, 2009 it will be at 23.8 million then right?

Almost matching the original Xbox's sales in 3 years and 6 weeks.

I'm still failing to see how that "matches" in any way what-so-ever.

Right, I already admitted that the 360 was selling faster. But I'm saying it's not that much more successful than its predecessor. That was the point I was trying to make in my first post: "It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first."

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"

WRONG. Per year it's selling around 7 million.

I repeat:

The Xbox 360 launched in November 22, 2005.

On Nov. 25, 2006, end of the 360's first year: 5,930,609

On Nov. 24, 2007, end of the 360's second year: 13,818,452

You're counting it from January to January, but that's wrong because that excludes the 360's launch months. The 360 launched in November, so the 360's years should be measured from November to November.

If you really want to get technical:

January 7, 2006: 1,298,615

January 6, 2007: 8,103,877 (+6,805,262)

January 5, 2007: 16,331,346 (+8,227,469)

Average sold per year: 7,516,365.5

Gunraidan

Going by those numbers then it will surpass the original Xbox easly.

It will, but not by much, at least not by the end of its fourth year.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Right now I believe it stands at around 16-17 million sold. It was at around 12-13 million back in November, two years after it launched, and its second year sales were lower than its first year sales. The Xbox achieved 25 million in four years.

It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first.

mjarantilla

No thanks. Except for a small and very short spurt, price drops only sustain sales, they never raise them.

The easiest way to determine if a statement is true is often to exaggerate the statement. Here goes..... I heard that BMW is selling all cars for $1000. I wonder if sales will increase for sustainable period?

My guess is yes.

[QUOTE="Gunraidan"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"

WRONG. Per year it's selling around 7 million.

I repeat:

The Xbox 360 launched in November 22, 2005.

On Nov. 25, 2006, end of the 360's first year: 5,930,609

On Nov. 24, 2007, end of the 360's second year: 13,818,452

You're counting it from January to January, but that's wrong because that excludes the 360's launch months. The 360 launched in November, so the 360's years should be measured from November to November.

If you really want to get technical:

January 7, 2006: 1,298,615

January 6, 2007: 8,103,877 (+6,805,262)

January 5, 2007: 16,331,346 (+8,227,469)

Average sold per year: 7,516,365.5

mjarantilla

Going by those numbers then it will surpass the original Xbox easly.

It will, but not by much, at least not by the end of its fourth year.

I price drop will spur sales of the console. Watch what happens when GTA4 releases...

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Right now I believe it stands at around 16-17 million sold. It was at around 12-13 million back in November, two years after it launched, and its second year sales were lower than its first year sales. The Xbox achieved 25 million in four years.

It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first.

lhughey

No thanks. Except for a small and very short spurt, price drops only sustain sales, they never raise them.

The easiest way to determine if a statement is true is often to exaggerate the statement. Here goes..... I heard that BMW is selling all cars for $1000. I wonder if sales will increase for sustainable period?

My guess is yes.

Poor analogy. Very poor. Companies would swiftly go bankrupt if they implemented your ideas. Don't go into the job market, please. You'll ruin the economy single-handedly if you do.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Gunraidan"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"

WRONG. Per year it's selling around 7 million.

I repeat:

The Xbox 360 launched in November 22, 2005.

On Nov. 25, 2006, end of the 360's first year: 5,930,609

On Nov. 24, 2007, end of the 360's second year: 13,818,452

You're counting it from January to January, but that's wrong because that excludes the 360's launch months. The 360 launched in November, so the 360's years should be measured from November to November.

If you really want to get technical:

January 7, 2006: 1,298,615

January 6, 2007: 8,103,877 (+6,805,262)

January 5, 2007: 16,331,346 (+8,227,469)

Average sold per year: 7,516,365.5

lhughey

Going by those numbers then it will surpass the original Xbox easly.

It will, but not by much, at least not by the end of its fourth year.

I price drop will spur sales of the console. Watch what happens when GTA4 releases...

I'll watch the sales spurt up, then drop back down, just like they did with Halo 3.

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"]

So on January 5, 2009 it will be at 23.8 million then right?

Almost matching the original Xbox's sales in 3 years and 6 weeks.

I'm still failing to see how that "matches" in any way what-so-ever.

mjarantilla

Right, I already admitted that the 360 was selling faster. But I'm saying it's not that much more successful than its predecessor. That was the point I was trying to make in my first post: "It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first."

Knowing full well that consoles typically have their sales skyrocket AFTER the prices have hit the magic $200 point, you should retract your statement.

Your calculations are based on an average of the original Xbox's sales. It did NOT sell that well in the first two years, and had a lot better sales in it's last two years after Halo2 came out. To just take the total sales and flatten them down to yearly averages, and then compare those numbers to real solid reports of actual 360 sales is just foolish. It's flawed entirely.

If you were to compare the month to month sales of the 360 against the Xbox side by side you would see the 360 is WAY ahead of it after the 2 year mark. The 360 will also have a sales surge when it drops in price, just like the first Xbox did.

It will EASILY surpass the Xbox's totals by quite a bit. I'd be willing to bet that it breaks 40 million.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"]

So on January 5, 2009 it will be at 23.8 million then right?

Almost matching the original Xbox's sales in 3 years and 6 weeks.

I'm still failing to see how that "matches" in any way what-so-ever.

Bgrngod

Right, I already admitted that the 360 was selling faster. But I'm saying it's not that much more successful than its predecessor. That was the point I was trying to make in my first post: "It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first."

Knowing full well that consoles typically have their sales skyrocket AFTER the prices have hit the magic $200 point, you should retract your statement.

Your calculations are based on an average of the original Xbox's sales. It did NOT sell that well in the first two years, and had a lot better sales in it's last two years after Halo2 came out. To just take the total sales and flatten them down to yearly averages, and then compare those numbers to real solid reports of actual 360 sales is just foolish. It's flawed entirely.

If you were to compare the month to month sales of the 360 against the Xbox side by side you would see the 360 is WAY ahead of it after the 2 year mark. The 360 will also have a sales surge when it drops in price, just like the first Xbox did.

It will EASILY surpass the Xbox's totals by quite a bit. I'd be willing to bet that it breaks 40 million.

"Skyrocket"?

:lol:

The PS2 went from selling 13 million a year to 16 million a year when it dropped from $299 to $199. An average of an extra 250,000 sales per month worldwide. For a console that averaged more than a million sales per month worldwide, an extra 250,000/month hardly constitutes a "skyrocket."

Proportionately speaking, if the 360 saw the same proportionate boost, that would only give it an extra 1.5 to 1.8 million or so per year. And the 360 is almost three years old now, and it's still over $300. By the time it does reach $199, it will be four years old, maybe even older. It would have one year, or two at most before the next gen starts and the 360 is retired.

BTW, the Xbox saw NO sales surge, because the Xbox dropped to $199 almost immediately (barely eight months after launch).

I will agree that the 360 will do better overall, though.

No, it's sold more than half. And it hasn't even reached the magic $199 pricepoint yet. It will sell plenty more than the first xbox, my guess is double that of Xboxes.

PS3 will only sell a little more than half of PS2s numbers in the same amount of time.

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"]

So on January 5, 2009 it will be at 23.8 million then right?

Almost matching the original Xbox's sales in 3 years and 6 weeks.

I'm still failing to see how that "matches" in any way what-so-ever.

mjarantilla

Right, I already admitted that the 360 was selling faster. But I'm saying it's not that much more successful than its predecessor. That was the point I was trying to make in my first post: "It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first."

Knowing full well that consoles typically have their sales skyrocket AFTER the prices have hit the magic $200 point, you should retract your statement.

Your calculations are based on an average of the original Xbox's sales. It did NOT sell that well in the first two years, and had a lot better sales in it's last two years after Halo2 came out. To just take the total sales and flatten them down to yearly averages, and then compare those numbers to real solid reports of actual 360 sales is just foolish. It's flawed entirely.

If you were to compare the month to month sales of the 360 against the Xbox side by side you would see the 360 is WAY ahead of it after the 2 year mark. The 360 will also have a sales surge when it drops in price, just like the first Xbox did.

It will EASILY surpass the Xbox's totals by quite a bit. I'd be willing to bet that it breaks 40 million.

"Skyrocket"?

:lol:

The PS2 went from selling 13 million a year to 16 million a year when it dropped from $299 to $199. An average of an extra 250,000 sales per month worldwide. For a console that averaged more than a million sales per month worldwide, an extra 250,000/month hardly constitutes a "skyrocket."

Proportionately speaking, if the 360 saw the same proportionate boost, that would only give it an extra 1.5 to 1.8 million or so per year. And the 360 is almost three years old now, and it's still over $300. By the time it does reach $199, it will be four years old, maybe even older. It would have one year, or two at most before the next gen starts and the 360 is retired.

BTW, the Xbox saw NO sales surge, because the Xbox dropped to $199 almost immediately (barely eight months after launch).

I will agree that the 360 will do better overall, though.

A 23% sales increase would easily qualify as skyrocketing.

The 360 is almost three years old now? How exactly is 2.11 years "almost" 3 years? Clearly your math skills need some training.

No, the Xbox did not have a surge when the price dropped, but it DID have great sales growth later on when Halo2 came out and it had established itself as a worthwhile product. I bought an Xbox on launch night and for at least 10 months I could still say the word "Xbox" to other students in college and they had no clue what I was talking about. It took awhile for it to catch o.

So how much exactly do you estimate (and please try not to use your horrible math) the 360 will end up selling lifetime?

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Right now I believe it stands at around 16-17 million sold. It was at around 12-13 million back in November, two years after it launched, and its second year sales were lower than its first year sales. The Xbox achieved 25 million in four years.

It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first.

too_much_eslim

Yeah he has a point the xbox dropped to 199.99 I believe between 3 to 6 months after launch. 199.99 price point is the sweet spot so when the ps3 and the 360 hit that point sales for both consoles will explode. The fact that the 360 sold more during its first two years compared to the original xbox at about almost twice the price is rather good for the 360 and I can see the 360 having a 50 to 100% increase in consoles compared to the original xbox at the end of its lifespan.

In my opinion I could see final install base of each console as follows. PS3 around 60 million, Wii around 50 million, 360 around 45 million. Considering that las generation saw a combined consale sales around 160 million the numbers I've thrown out seem possible. Like I said in my opinion.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Right now I believe it stands at around 16-17 million sold. It was at around 12-13 million back in November, two years after it launched, and its second year sales were lower than its first year sales. The Xbox achieved 25 million in four years.

It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first.

farrell2k

No thanks. Except for a small and very short spurt, price drops only sustain sales, they never raise them.

With statements like these, you have proven time and again that you have no idea what you're talking about. This is almost as funny as you claiming that 720 and 1080 were the only resolutions considered HD.

Where do you come up with these things?!

Show me evidence that a price drop, even one to $199, has EVER resulted in a significant and sustained rise in sales. EVER. Go back to the days of the NES if you have to.

Hardware revisions are more significant to sales than price drops, because price drops almost always follow a product's pattern of depreciation. They almost never exceed it.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"]

So on January 5, 2009 it will be at 23.8 million then right?

Almost matching the original Xbox's sales in 3 years and 6 weeks.

I'm still failing to see how that "matches" in any way what-so-ever.

Bgrngod

Right, I already admitted that the 360 was selling faster. But I'm saying it's not that much more successful than its predecessor. That was the point I was trying to make in my first post: "It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first."

Knowing full well that consoles typically have their sales skyrocket AFTER the prices have hit the magic $200 point, you should retract your statement.

Your calculations are based on an average of the original Xbox's sales. It did NOT sell that well in the first two years, and had a lot better sales in it's last two years after Halo2 came out. To just take the total sales and flatten them down to yearly averages, and then compare those numbers to real solid reports of actual 360 sales is just foolish. It's flawed entirely.

If you were to compare the month to month sales of the 360 against the Xbox side by side you would see the 360 is WAY ahead of it after the 2 year mark. The 360 will also have a sales surge when it drops in price, just like the first Xbox did.

It will EASILY surpass the Xbox's totals by quite a bit. I'd be willing to bet that it breaks 40 million.

"Skyrocket"?

:lol:

The PS2 went from selling 13 million a year to 16 million a year when it dropped from $299 to $199. An average of an extra 250,000 sales per month worldwide. For a console that averaged more than a million sales per month worldwide, an extra 250,000/month hardly constitutes a "skyrocket."

Proportionately speaking, if the 360 saw the same proportionate boost, that would only give it an extra 1.5 to 1.8 million or so per year. And the 360 is almost three years old now, and it's still over $300. By the time it does reach $199, it will be four years old, maybe even older. It would have one year, or two at most before the next gen starts and the 360 is retired.

BTW, the Xbox saw NO sales surge, because the Xbox dropped to $199 almost immediately (barely eight months after launch).

I will agree that the 360 will do better overall, though.

A 23% sales increase would easily qualify as skyrocketing.

The 360 is almost three years old now? How exactly is 2.11 years "almost" 3 years? Clearly your math skills need some training.

No, the Xbox did not have a surge when the price dropped, but it DID have great sales growth later on when Halo2 came out and it had established itself as a worthwhile product. I bought an Xbox on launch night and for at least 10 months I could still say the word "Xbox" to other students in college and they had no clue what I was talking about. It took awhile for it to catch o.

So how much exactly do you estimate (and please try not to use your horrible math) the 360 will end up selling lifetime?

Incorrect. The Xbox's sales did experience a rise, but it wasn't due to Halo 2. Halo 2 came out in November 2004. Here are the monthly sales leading up to and following Halo 2's release:

Ok, let's try this again

Aug 04: 220k
Sep 04: 270k
Oct 04: 210k
Nov 04: 700k
Dec 04: 1.05 mil
Jan 05: 240k
Feb 05: 210k
Mar 05: 230k
Apr 05: 150k

In April, the sales spurt started by Halo 2 in November 2004 ends. And it can be also argued that Halo caused no sales spurt during the holiday months except in November, because the Xbox has sold over 1 million units in December the previous two years, as well, without Halo 2.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="farrell2k"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Right now I believe it stands at around 16-17 million sold. It was at around 12-13 million back in November, two years after it launched, and its second year sales were lower than its first year sales. The Xbox achieved 25 million in four years.

It looks like Microsoft's second effort won't be much more successful at reaching an audience than their first.

farrell2k

No thanks. Except for a small and very short spurt, price drops only sustain sales, they never raise them.

With statements like these, you have proven time and again that you have no idea what you're talking about. This is almost as funny as you claiming that 720 and 1080 were the only resolutions considered HD.

Where do you come up with these things?!

Show me evidence that a price drop, even one to $199, has EVER resulted in a significant and sustained rise in sales. EVER. Go back to the days of the NES if you have to.

Hardware revisions are more significant to sales than price drops, because price drops almost always follow a product's pattern of depreciation. They almost never exceed it.

One only need go back a few months. The PS3 is the perfect example. The recent price drop increased sales, and sales seem to be increasing every month.

It's the same for every almost industry in the world. We all buy more clothes, computers, TVs, dvd players, etc, because they're all less expensive and more affordable now than they used to be.

The PS3's sales pattern of 2007:

Jan.07 244,000
Feb.07 127,000
Mar.07 130,000
Apr.07 82,000
May.07 82,000
Jun.07 99,000
Jul.07 159,000
Aug.07 131,000
Sep.07 119,000
Oct.07 121,000
Nov.07 466,000

I don't see a permanent rise in sales. I see a typical spring/summer slump, with a typical fall rise. The PS3's November and December sales were particularly disappointing. The fact that the PS3 needed a price drop and several hardware revisions to SUSTAIN the expected sales pattern is the worrying factor.

Every system except the Wii suffered a spring/summer slump. The PS2 slipped from 280,000 a month in March to 194,000 in April and 188,000 in May. The Xbox 360 went from 228,000 in February to 199,000 in March to 174,000 in April to 155,000 in May. But by late summer, all systems were back up to normal sales. The PS2 went back to 270,000 in June, the 360 went back to 198,000 in June, and the PS3 went back up to 159,000 in July.

EDIT: BTW, farrell2k, you're still wrong about the resolutions. They lay out very specific technical guidelines for very specific resolutions, like 1080i50, 1080i60, 1080p24, etc. They would never say something as generic as, "Everything over 480p is HD."

• It's kept a higher price point for much longer this time
• It's software sales are huge
• It's looking good for 35 - 40m sold by the end of this gen

Also consider, PS3 is following a similar pattern and only the Wii seems to be htting the numbers the PS2 did last gen!

Either way, there will be another Xbox in a few years, Microsoft arn't going anywhere particularly when the console division is turning a good profit!

DAZZER7

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"]A 23% sales increase would easily qualify as skyrocketing.

The 360 is almost three years old now? How exactly is 2.11 years "almost" 3 years? Clearly your math skills need some training.

No, the Xbox did not have a surge when the price dropped, but it DID have great sales growth later on when Halo2 came out and it had established itself as a worthwhile product. I bought an Xbox on launch night and for at least 10 months I could still say the word "Xbox" to other students in college and they had no clue what I was talking about. It took awhile for it to catch o.

So how much exactly do you estimate (and please try not to use your horrible math) the 360 will end up selling lifetime?

mjarantilla

Ok, let's try this again

Aug 04: 220k
Sep 04: 270k
Oct 04: 210k
Nov 04: 700k
Dec 04: 1.05 mil
Jan 05: 240k
Feb 05: 210k
Mar 05: 230k
Apr 05: 150k

In April, the sales spurt started by Halo 2 in November 2004 ends. And it can be also argued that Halo caused no sales spurt during the holiday months except in November, because the Xbox has sold over 1 million units in December the previous two years, as well, without Halo 2.

You have access to monthly sales numbers for the Xbox now do you? Why don't you pull up the first 25 months of sales for it and compare them to your 16 million 360's number?

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"]A 23% sales increase would easily qualify as skyrocketing.

The 360 is almost three years old now? How exactly is 2.11 years "almost" 3 years? Clearly your math skills need some training.

No, the Xbox did not have a surge when the price dropped, but it DID have great sales growth later on when Halo2 came out and it had established itself as a worthwhile product. I bought an Xbox on launch night and for at least 10 months I could still say the word "Xbox" to other students in college and they had no clue what I was talking about. It took awhile for it to catch o.

So how much exactly do you estimate (and please try not to use your horrible math) the 360 will end up selling lifetime?

Bgrngod

Ok, let's try this again

Aug 04: 220k
Sep 04: 270k
Oct 04: 210k
Nov 04: 700k
Dec 04: 1.05 mil
Jan 05: 240k
Feb 05: 210k
Mar 05: 230k
Apr 05: 150k

In April, the sales spurt started by Halo 2 in November 2004 ends. And it can be also argued that Halo caused no sales spurt during the holiday months except in November, because the Xbox has sold over 1 million units in December the previous two years, as well, without Halo 2.

You have access to monthly sales numbers for the Xbox now do you? Why don't you pull up the first 25 months of sales for it and compare them to your 16 million 360's number?

Those are NPD numbers, so only North America.

First 24 months in NA for the Xbox: 7,750,000

First 24 months in NA for the Xbox 360: 9,151,000

No one except VGChartz compiles worldwide numbers. If you don't mind me using them, then:

First 25 months of the Xbox, from 18-Nov-01 to 04-Jan-04: 13,023,743. On 05-Jan-08, the Xbox 360 was at 16,331,346.

But I already admitted the Xbox 360 was tracking ahead of the Xbox. So what's the problem with this?