The absence of frame rate propaganda from Sony is really worrisome

I am a cow and a gfx whore. Howevee over the years, I came to realise that fps is actually as important as amazing gfx.

When Sony and Ms announced how powerful their systems are with their massively better CPU, I expected 60 fps to be on the front lines of the all their hype wagon but it feels it is being intentionally ignored or even avoided.

Sony show yesterday was amazing but the leap in gfx was not as big as I thought which is fine but, if 60 fps weren't the target then possibly we should stick with PS4 pro and x1x.

Anyone feeling the same way ?!

As long as devs try to push 4k, 30 FPS would still be the norm. Hell, the PS5 ran the UE5 demo at 1440p 30 FPS.

Sony did mention the stream is capped at 1080p 30fps. Why I have no idea someone will probably explain but probably ur right.

@jasonofa36:

I always found that wired as pc with similar specs can do way better than 1440p 30 generally

Don't worry, MS would have the weaker of the two with Lockhart.

The console is not capable of 4K/60 with every game.

The stream was because it was going to be STREAMED by 100's of thousands of people at once and they didn't want to crash their servers.

The individual footage for each game is up now with higher bitrates and 4K resolutions and the only two games running at 4K/60FPS are Godfall and Gran Tourismo.

4K at 60FPS you have to sacrifice graphics to hit... The difference visually of a game running at 4K/30 vs 4K/60 is VERY noticeable. Like I told you consolites developers will ALWAYS chose graphics over framerate.

Just give a 1440p/60fps option. Problem solved.

I have an odd feeling the launch PS5s might have heating issues. I remember an article a few months ago mentioned something about Sony having trouble finalizing the design due to the corona virus situation. Pair that with them overclocking the system in an attempt to be on par with the Series X, and the overheating of PS4's designs, and it might be wise to be cautious with these launch models.

Thats why you need towers now. The more they upgrade their consoles, the bigger they will have to be due to hearing. Thats why when i look at xsx and the pc tower design they use, the airlow is probably better than say the airflow in the xbox one

People, in general, don't give a shit about 60FPS. It'll never be the standard because there's no demand for it. They'd have to start demo'ing it to people, and they'll all go "just looks faster". Since the dawn of gaming, people just wanna see shinier graphics.

That's a lot of conspiracy theories happening there. The PS4 overheating issues? Being loud is not equal to heating issues. Overheating and shutting down is heating issues.

Why the fuk would you want to stick with PS4 Pro or X1X? They are shit. As long as the CPU is not the bottleneck, you can scale down the resolution to hit 60fps. So, if a game is 4K/30fps, you can easily play at 1440p/60fps.

more chest hair sells more than smoother gameplay

Hopefully this will be the option... That said if it was a option SURELY they would be showing the 1440/60 footage for all these games as even on youtube the difference from 1440-4K is not a noticable difference but 30 vs 60 will be a easily noticeable.

I don't think these developers are giving that option.

Didn't Ubisoft say that they are at 4K/30FPS at least with a X1X... Meaning they aren't planning on giving multiple options.

I guess its just less work for them.

Its the same as when Cerny said the NVME would let developers create bigger worlds my first reaction was "don't developers already have a hard time making content for current game sizes?"...

Developers don't have the time to do all this, they would much rather pick one target and go for it.

Just look at Sony Exclusives this generation.

They only time they offered TWO or more options is when it came to the mid generation upgrades.

So MAYBE when we see a PS5 Pro or XSX-X we will get the 60FPS option.

@Grey_Eyed_Elf: It is up to the developers. However, It is easy to provide different resolutions and frame rate options if things like physics are not tied to the frame rate (dumb thing to do). Provided there is no CPU bottleneck, developers would have to be serious cunts not to provide a 60fps option on games that can run at 4K/30fps.

@2mrw:

Who cares about the framerate? Next gen looks amazing!

@BassMan: Well from the looks of it they aren't.

Like I said they only started to do that with the Pro and X1X because they felt obligated to. They have no obligation to give multiple framerates/resolution options in games now.

They will give you 60FPS if that is the target for their game... FPS/Sports/racing. They have no reason to give gamer's 60FPS.

Its why I avoid console multi-platform games and it won't change with the coming generation.

Like I said before, it will be up to each developer to make use of the hardware as they see fit. So, there is no indication of a general direction that most developers will take. Very little is known about the PS5 and XSX games.

No you're not. If you were a gfx whore you wouldn't be a cow. Why do you even care about FPS when most of your games run at low FPS.

So, because he games at a lower FPS he shouldn't care about FPS or want higher FPS?

Not entirely true... The YouTube videos of those games had gameplay in them and the games that had 60FPS where on 4K/60FPS videos.

Its a clear indication that those games aren't going to be 60FPS... Otherwise they to since they have gameplay in them would be at 60FPS.

So far only 2 games shown have 60FPS videos.

I feel the same, TC. We already have a ton of current gen games running at 60fps, so i do expect that trend to increase next gen.

MS always mentions higher and never seen on a console before FPS when they talk about series X

And the Lockhart is touted as being a 1080-60 ultra machine aimed at the 1080 tv owners

@Grey_Eyed_Elf: Even if the videos are showing 4K/30fps gameplay, that still does not indicate what options the games will have for lower resolutions and frame rate.

There has never been such a wide range of TVs like there are now. Some people will have 1080p/60hz. Others will have TVs with HDMI 2.1 that are capable of VRR and 4K/120hz. So, games will scale to these different setups. With the greatly improved CPUs, there is more opportunity for scaling. Even console gamers are getting smarter and more tech savvy. So, they will demand options.

Not what I said.

This is called a straw-man argument. I was the top of my debate class, so it's best if you stop here.

This thread title is terrible.

There was probably an absence of frame rate propaganda because 95% of the people watching probably don't give a shit and it would have been a waste of time.

Frame rate and power are only ever a problem when the less powerful console ends up being the more expensive one; i.e. XB1 vs PS4 at launch. People don't give two flying shits when the weaker console is priced appropriately, i.e. 360 vs PS3 or PS2 vs Xbox original.