The Answer to Why don't they admit , they just screwed up

So I was reading the news on the front page of Sony's response to Activision's "threats" and alot of people where talking about the price and asking why doesn't Sony just admit they screwed up?

If anyone here took a simple business that explored the corporate world, then you should know that the answer is , "Even if we admit we screwed up, we can't publicly state that, because we have to protect the idea that we know what we are doing"

I'll try to make this simple, Sony/MS/Nintendo are traded on the stock market, the stock goes down when something bad happens or when there is even a RUMOR that something bad happened, all of there companies want there stock price to go up because they make alot of greenbacks. If any companies came out and admitted that they screwed up big time , the board of directors (the people that control the company) would kick the CEOs to the curb.

Each company has screwed up this gen:

Sony because of price and difficulty to program for the PS3 (even though it was the same with the PS2) and making statements like " You should work harder so you can buy one"

MS for the RROD and pretending there was nothing wrong with the 360 and saying "It's just a defective batch of 360s, the 360 works perfect, go out and buy one"

Nintendo for leaving the hardcore in the dust, the type of gamers that made the company a success for 20 years and responding to questions about the hardcore audience with this answer "We have animal crossing, that's not Hardcore?"

None of the big three are exempt from making mistakes, let us just hoped they have learned from their mistakes

So I was reading the news on the front page of Sony's response to Activision's "threats" and alot of people where talking about the price and asking why doesn't Sony just admit they screwed up?

If anyone here took a simple business that explored the corporate world, then you should know that the answer is , "Even if we admit we screwed up, we can't publicly state that, because we have to protect the idea that we know what we are doing"

I'll try to make this simple, Sony/MS/Nintendo are traded on the stock market, the stock goes down when something bad happens or when there is even a RUMOR that something bad happened, all of there companies want there stock price to go up because they make alot of greenbacks. If any companies came out and admitted that they screwed up big time , the board of directors (the people that control the company) would kick the CEOs to the curb.

Each company has screwed up this gen:

Sony because of price and difficulty to program for the PS3 (even though it was the same with the PS2) and making statements like " You should work harder so you can buy one"

MS for the RROD and pretending there was nothing wrong with the 360 and saying "It's just a defective batch of 360s, the 360 works perfect, go out and buy one"

Nintendo for leaving the hardcore in the dust, the type of gamers that made the company a success for 20 years and responding to questions about the hardcore audience with this answer "We have animal crossing, that's not Hardcore?"

None of the big three are exempt from making mistakes, let us just hoped they have learned from their mistakes

akira2465

[QUOTE="akira2465"]

So I was reading the news on the front page of Sony's response to Activision's "threats" and alot of people where talking about the price and asking why doesn't Sony just admit they screwed up?

If anyone here took a simple business that explored the corporate world, then you should know that the answer is , "Even if we admit we screwed up, we can't publicly state that, because we have to protect the idea that we know what we are doing"

I'll try to make this simple, Sony/MS/Nintendo are traded on the stock market, the stock goes down when something bad happens or when there is even a RUMOR that something bad happened, all of there companies want there stock price to go up because they make alot of greenbacks. If any companies came out and admitted that they screwed up big time , the board of directors (the people that control the company) would kick the CEOs to the curb.

Each company has screwed up this gen:

Sony because of price and difficulty to program for the PS3 (even though it was the same with the PS2) and making statements like " You should work harder so you can buy one"

MS for the RROD and pretending there was nothing wrong with the 360 and saying "It's just a defective batch of 360s, the 360 works perfect, go out and buy one"

Nintendo for leaving the hardcore in the dust, the type of gamers that made the company a success for 20 years and responding to questions about the hardcore audience with this answer "We have animal crossing, that's not Hardcore?"

None of the big three are exempt from making mistakes, let us just hoped they have learned from their mistakes

mD-

[QUOTE="mD-"][QUOTE="akira2465"]

So I was reading the news on the front page of Sony's response to Activision's "threats" and alot of people where talking about the price and asking why doesn't Sony just admit they screwed up?

If anyone here took a simple business that explored the corporate world, then you should know that the answer is , "Even if we admit we screwed up, we can't publicly state that, because we have to protect the idea that we know what we are doing"

I'll try to make this simple, Sony/MS/Nintendo are traded on the stock market, the stock goes down when something bad happens or when there is even a RUMOR that something bad happened, all of there companies want there stock price to go up because they make alot of greenbacks. If any companies came out and admitted that they screwed up big time , the board of directors (the people that control the company) would kick the CEOs to the curb.

Each company has screwed up this gen:

Sony because of price and difficulty to program for the PS3 (even though it was the same with the PS2) and making statements like " You should work harder so you can buy one"

MS for the RROD and pretending there was nothing wrong with the 360 and saying "It's just a defective batch of 360s, the 360 works perfect, go out and buy one"

Nintendo for leaving the hardcore in the dust, the type of gamers that made the company a success for 20 years and responding to questions about the hardcore audience with this answer "We have animal crossing, that's not Hardcore?"

None of the big three are exempt from making mistakes, let us just hoped they have learned from their mistakes

Chris_Williams

I think most people on here know how it works, I'm just educating the non educated :P

Is this system wars? I'm confused by the logic and well written post. What just happened? Good thread.

You're oversimplifying. Yes, generally it's bad PR for a company to admit fault, but there are times where it's better to simply admit you were wrong. Telling consumers they'll want to work longer hours so they can afford your product is one of them.

your nintendo flaw is flawed, as it is based purely on your opinion, and microsoft manned up to their short comings when they gave out a free extended warranty. sony is the only one of the three that fumbled, smiled, and said we wanted to do that.surrealnumber5

Manned up? Did they ever admit that RRoD was a problem? And extending the warrenty is not manning up. It more like trying to cover up the problem.

You're oversimplifying. Yes, generally it's bad PR for a company to admit fault, but there are times where it's better to simply admit you were wrong. Telling consumers they'll want to work longer hours so they can afford your product is one of them.

PBSnipes

yeah, tell that to Nvidia :roll:

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]your nintendo flaw is flawed, as it is based purely on your opinion, and microsoft manned up to their short comings when they gave out a free extended warranty. sony is the only one of the three that fumbled, smiled, and said we wanted to do that.dragonpuppy

Manned up? Did they ever admit that RRoD was a problem? And extending the warrenty is not manning up. It more like trying to cover up the problem.

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

[QUOTE="mD-"] Listen up people, a lot of you are still clueless and don't understand how this works. You should listen to akira.akira2465

I think most people on here know how it works, I'm just educating the non educated :P

Because the stock market is based on illusions and false perceptions? Yeah, I knew that.Brownesque

This, for sure.

[QUOTE="akira2465"]

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] I understand how it works... you wanna know my secret..i just play my ps3, have lots of fun... I don't see why people care about this stuff..i don't i have stock in sony or nintendo or microsoft..so who cares?

raynimrod

I think most people on here know how it works, I'm just educating the non educated :P

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[QUOTE="akira2465"]

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] I understand how it works... you wanna know my secret..i just play my ps3, have lots of fun... I don't see why people care about this stuff..i don't i have stock in sony or nintendo or microsoft..so who cares?

raynimrod

I think most people on here know how it works, I'm just educating the non educated :P

Lol Touche, now I feel like an a**, alright people thread is over, nothing to see here :P

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

[QUOTE="akira2465"]

I think most people on here know how it works, I'm just educating the non educated :P

akira2465

Lol Touche, now I feel like an a**, alright people thread is over, nothing to see here :P

So I was reading the news on the front page of Sony's response to Activision's "threats" and alot of people where talking about the price and asking why doesn't Sony just admit they screwed up?

If anyone here took a simple business that explored the corporate world, then you should know that the answer is , "Even if we admit we screwed up, we can't publicly state that, because we have to protect the idea that we know what we are doing"

I'll try to make this simple, Sony/MS/Nintendo are traded on the stock market, the stock goes down when something bad happens or when there is even a RUMOR that something bad happened, all of there companies want there stock price to go up because they make alot of greenbacks. If any companies came out and admitted that they screwed up big time , the board of directors (the people that control the company) would kick the CEOs to the curb.

Each company has screwed up this gen:

Sony because of price and difficulty to program for the PS3 (even though it was the same with the PS2) and making statements like " You should work harder so you can buy one"

MS for the RROD and pretending there was nothing wrong with the 360 and saying "It's just a defective batch of 360s, the 360 works perfect, go out and buy one"

Nintendo for leaving the hardcore in the dust, the type of gamers that made the company a success for 20 years and responding to questions about the hardcore audience with this answer "We have animal crossing, that's not Hardcore?"

None of the big three are exempt from making mistakes, let us just hoped they have learned from their mistakes

akira2465

your nintendo flaw is flawed, as it is based purely on your opinion, and microsoft manned up to their short comings when they gave out a free extended warranty. sony is the only one of the three that fumbled, smiled, and said we wanted to do that.surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="akira2465"]

So I was reading the news on the front page of Sony's response to Activision's "threats" and alot of people where talking about the price and asking why doesn't Sony just admit they screwed up?

If anyone here took a simple business that explored the corporate world, then you should know that the answer is , "Even if we admit we screwed up, we can't publicly state that, because we have to protect the idea that we know what we are doing"

I'll try to make this simple, Sony/MS/Nintendo are traded on the stock market, the stock goes down when something bad happens or when there is even a RUMOR that something bad happened, all of there companies want there stock price to go up because they make alot of greenbacks. If any companies came out and admitted that they screwed up big time , the board of directors (the people that control the company) would kick the CEOs to the curb.

Each company has screwed up this gen:

Sony because of price and difficulty to program for the PS3 (even though it was the same with the PS2) and making statements like " You should work harder so you can buy one"

MS for the RROD and pretending there was nothing wrong with the 360 and saying "It's just a defective batch of 360s, the 360 works perfect, go out and buy one"

Nintendo for leaving the hardcore in the dust, the type of gamers that made the company a success for 20 years and responding to questions about the hardcore audience with this answer "We have animal crossing, that's not Hardcore?"

None of the big three are exempt from making mistakes, let us just hoped they have learned from their mistakes

mD-

[QUOTE="mD-"][QUOTE="akira2465"]

So I was reading the news on the front page of Sony's response to Activision's "threats" and alot of people where talking about the price and asking why doesn't Sony just admit they screwed up?

If anyone here took a simple business that explored the corporate world, then you should know that the answer is , "Even if we admit we screwed up, we can't publicly state that, because we have to protect the idea that we know what we are doing"

I'll try to make this simple, Sony/MS/Nintendo are traded on the stock market, the stock goes down when something bad happens or when there is even a RUMOR that something bad happened, all of there companies want there stock price to go up because they make alot of greenbacks. If any companies came out and admitted that they screwed up big time , the board of directors (the people that control the company) would kick the CEOs to the curb.

Each company has screwed up this gen:

Sony because of price and difficulty to program for the PS3 (even though it was the same with the PS2) and making statements like " You should work harder so you can buy one"

MS for the RROD and pretending there was nothing wrong with the 360 and saying "It's just a defective batch of 360s, the 360 works perfect, go out and buy one"

Nintendo for leaving the hardcore in the dust, the type of gamers that made the company a success for 20 years and responding to questions about the hardcore audience with this answer "We have animal crossing, that's not Hardcore?"

None of the big three are exempt from making mistakes, let us just hoped they have learned from their mistakes

patrickjw333

what are you like his dumb echo or something patrickjw333

It is entirely impossible for people to share opinions and incredibly dumb for them to voice their approval.

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So I was reading the news on the front page of Sony's response to Activision's "threats" and alot of people where talking about the price and asking why doesn't Sony just admit they screwed up?

If anyone here took a simple business that explored the corporate world, then you should know that the answer is , "Even if we admit we screwed up, we can't publicly state that, because we have to protect the idea that we know what we are doing"

I'll try to make this simple, Sony/MS/Nintendo are traded on the stock market, the stock goes down when something bad happens or when there is even a RUMOR that something bad happened, all of there companies want there stock price to go up because they make alot of greenbacks. If any companies came out and admitted that they screwed up big time , the board of directors (the people that control the company) would kick the CEOs to the curb.

Each company has screwed up this gen:

Sony because of price and difficulty to program for the PS3 (even though it was the same with the PS2) and making statements like " You should work harder so you can buy one"

MS for the RROD and pretending there was nothing wrong with the 360 and saying "It's just a defective batch of 360s, the 360 works perfect, go out and buy one"

Nintendo for leaving the hardcore in the dust, the type of gamers that made the company a success for 20 years and responding to questions about the hardcore audience with this answer "We have animal crossing, that's not Hardcore?"

None of the big three are exempt from making mistakes, let us just hoped they have learned from their mistakes

Is this system wars? I'm confused by the logic and well written post. What just happened? Good thread.

drufeous

Sony screwed up with their pricing? If they actually said, "Go work harder and buy one." Yeah thats making a mistake. Their price is fair.

Sony screwed up with their pricing? If they actually said, "Go work harder and buy one." Yeah thats making a mistake. Their price is fair.

LOXO7

I agree the price was on par for what they were offering, but the fact of the matter is Sony chose to introduce two new techs (bluray & the cell) into their console which increased the price and they seriously believed that everyone would go out and buy. They also believed the majority of the PS2 userbase would convert to the PS3.

Had they maybe held off on the cell and just put bluray in to win the format war, they would have been in better shape. Although hopefully including both techs will pay off in the future.

Lol, technology advanced to quickly!

They underestimate their market. As always.

As a known non-Sony fan, I must say that I admire Sony for sticking to their guns on this issue. If would they are saying is to be taken at face value then I believe that they are taking the old Nintendo approach which is just keeping their eye on profitability. Looking back to the N64 and the GC Nintendo pretty much had to sustain those 2 consoles with virtually no major 3rd party support throughout most of their lifecycles. Having said that, they to this very day, continued to operate in the black. Seeing how dominant the PSX and PS2 was, it's hard to believe that Nintendo throughout all those years was just building capital instead of bleeding cash.

I think Sony sees how Nintendo was able to weather 2 major storms and may have decided to adpot that school of thought. Maybe they think that they have enough internal resources to sustain the PS3 library at its current price point should 3rd party support begin to dwindle. For that I admire their stance, but that is only if that is the mindset they choose to adopt.

So I was reading the news on the front page of Sony's response to Activision's "threats" and alot of people where talking about the price and asking why doesn't Sony just admit they screwed up?

If anyone here took a simple business that explored the corporate world, then you should know that the answer is , "Even if we admit we screwed up, we can't publicly state that, because we have to protect the idea that we know what we are doing"

I'll try to make this simple, Sony/MS/Nintendo are traded on the stock market, the stock goes down when something bad happens or when there is even a RUMOR that something bad happened, all of there companies want there stock price to go up because they make alot of greenbacks. If any companies came out and admitted that they screwed up big time , the board of directors (the people that control the company) would kick the CEOs to the curb.

Each company has screwed up this gen:

Sony because of price and difficulty to program for the PS3 (even though it was the same with the PS2) and making statements like " You should work harder so you can buy one"

MS for the RROD and pretending there was nothing wrong with the 360 and saying "It's just a defective batch of 360s, the 360 works perfect, go out and buy one"

Nintendo for leaving the hardcore in the dust, the type of gamers that made the company a success for 20 years and responding to questions about the hardcore audience with this answer "We have animal crossing, that's not Hardcore?"

None of the big three are exempt from making mistakes, let us just hoped they have learned from their mistakes

akira2465

They underestimate their market. As always.

KungfuKitten

Actually they overestimated their market.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]your nintendo flaw is flawed, as it is based purely on your opinion, and microsoft manned up to their short comings when they gave out a free extended warranty. sony is the only one of the three that fumbled, smiled, and said we wanted to do that.dragonpuppy

Manned up? Did they ever admit that RRoD was a problem? And extending the warrenty is not manning up. It more like trying to cover up the problem.

Is this system wars? I'm confused by the logic and well written post. What just happened? Good thread.

drufeous

It's good to see "onry" companies get knocked down a peg and show them that they are not untouchable. IE.. Sony/PS3, MS/Vista, Apple/Price, and etc..

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

They underestimate their market. As always.

Filthybastrd

Actually they overestimated their market.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]your nintendo flaw is flawed, as it is based purely on your opinion, and microsoft manned up to their short comings when they gave out a free extended warranty. sony is the only one of the three that fumbled, smiled, and said we wanted to do that.Phazevariance

No, they've only slashed 1/3 of the price off. :roll: It's not like it was some gross error like defective hardware (MS). They didn't wrong any consumers who bought them. Especially considering they sold each of the original consoles at a $200 loss.

Sony wronged themselves, not consumers. They're giving more to consumers for almost no profit. Even a free online network service thats actually good.

Very good post TC. Wish we had more well thought out logical discussions on SW.