The changes from MGS1 to MGS4 and the changes from Halo 1 to Halo 3...

Which would you say changed more?

Imo Halo hasn't changed much at all.

You look at Halo and it's like "Yup that's Halo alright pure Vanilla ice."

While MGS changed alot.

MGS2 came out two days before Halo CE, so I think the comparison should start there. My answer is: the jump from MGS2 to MGS4 is as significant as the jump from Halo CE to Halo 3.

Wait, do you mean in terms of technology exploited, or gameplay refinements?

Halo hasn't changed for the better.
MGS has changed for the worst.martin_f

i smell a lemming

Halo hasn't changed for the better.
MGS has changed for the worst.martin_f

As a Fan of MGS1 I have to agree with you.

Ever since Raiden with MGS2 and MGS3 the series has been on a downward Sprial IMO...

I hope at least MGS4 can match up to MGS1.

[QUOTE="martin_f"]Halo hasn't changed for the better.
MGS has changed for the worst.LivingReceiver

i smell a lemming

Halo hasn't changed for the better.
MGS has changed for the worst.martin_f

Dear MGS

I want my radar back.

Sincerely

Me

remember if it aint broke, dont fix ;) Halo stayed true to the Halo World.....it plays and feels same as previous games because it has tested and great formula and for MGS....i never played any so cant say much about it other then MGS4 has weird gameplay

[QUOTE="martin_f"]Halo hasn't changed for the better.
MGS has changed for the worst.XD88FDB

As a Fan of MGS1 I have to agree with you.

Ever since Raiden with MGS2 and MGS3 the series has been on a downward Sprial IMO...

I hope at least MGS4 can match up to MGS1.

I didnt' mind Raiden. It was a ballsy move but it worked.

Halo hasn't changed for the better.
MGS has changed for the worst.martin_f

Even though I havent played halo 3, i agree on the mgs thing, im getting a bit worried with it that its becoming too westernized and is just gonna remind me of a tom clancy game or something.

[QUOTE="LivingReceiver"]

[QUOTE="martin_f"]Halo hasn't changed for the better.
MGS has changed for the worst.martin_f

i smell a lemming

Big bosses clones weren't made to last ;) snakes old for a reason, they were made as experimental weapons (fox soldier program) to be used as basically a clone army of super soldiers (basically what the genome army was meant to be), basically super cheap cannon fodder.

[QUOTE="martin_f"]Halo hasn't changed for the better.
MGS has changed for the worst.shadyd1717

Even though I havent played halo 3, i agree on the mgs thing, im getting a bit worried with it that its becoming too westernized and is just gonna remind me of a tom clancy game or something.

Nothing about MGS3 was western or tom clancy-ish. Snake is still fighting supernatural enemies. I mean liquid is inside ocelots body..MG has never been stranger. lol.

[QUOTE="martin_f"]Halo hasn't changed for the better.
MGS has changed for the worst.shadyd1717

Even though I havent played halo 3, i agree on the mgs thing, im getting a bit worried with it that its becoming too westernized and is just gonna remind me of a tom clancy game or something.

you still get the cardboard box, and a metal drum to hide in. you can place dirty magazines to distract foes. you can incapacitate soldiers with hits to the crotch...

Don't worry, MGS4 isn't going too far from its roots.

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[QUOTE="martin_f"]Halo hasn't changed for the better.
MGS has changed for the worst.Bread_or_Decide

Even though I havent played halo 3, i agree on the mgs thing, im getting a bit worried with it that its becoming too westernized and is just gonna remind me of a tom clancy game or something.

Nothing about MGS3 was western or tom clancy-ish. Snake is still fighting supernatural enemies. I mean liquid is inside ocelots body..MG has never been stranger. lol.

Nah I loved mgs3, more then most people did atleast, and I think its better gameplay-wise then mgs2, but yea, I guess the only thing more westernized is the over the shoulder view, i was glad when i saw the e for all video and they had the exclamation point still over peoples heads lol.

Well from MGS2 to MGS3 the difference was way bigger then the change from Halo 1 to Halo 3.. Same gen... omgimba

Deffinitely MGS1 to MGS4

Totally new gameplay, and ufcourse day/light graphical difference.

[QUOTE="martin_f"]Halo hasn't changed for the better.
MGS has changed for the worst.LivingReceiver

i smell a lemming

Which would you say changed more?

Imo Halo hasn't changed much at all.

XD88FDB

I agree with this. The reason: Halo was ahead of its time while Halo 3 is just keeping up with the times.

One thing that definitely did not change much at all are the great reviews and praise the franchise has received thoughout the years.

GameSpot Scores:

Halo 97
Halo2 94
Halo3 95

MGS 85
MGS2 96
MGS3 90

If you go by these scores, I would have to say that MGS has changed more over time. MGS fans better hope the MSG4 score is closer to the one that MSG2 received. If the upcoming game receives the same score as MSG1...then you guys are gong to have another flop on your hands.

Well from MGS2 to MGS3 the difference was way bigger then the change from Halo 1 to Halo 3.. Same gen... omgimba

LOL thats just crazy talk

I've played all MGS and all Halos and your wrong by a long shot

Deffinitely MGS1 to MGS4

Totally new gameplay, and ufcourse day/light graphical difference.

Gun_Haze

can I play your copy of MGS4??

LOL

Which would you say changed more?

Imo Halo hasn't changed much at all.

You look at Halo and it's like "Yup that's Halo alright pure Vanilla ice."

While MGS changed alot.

XD88FDB

You know what the funny thing is, Halo is a AAA series, while MGS is not.

[QUOTE="XD88FDB"]

Which would you say changed more?

Imo Halo hasn't changed much at all.

You look at Halo and it's like "Yup that's Halo alright pure Vanilla ice."

While MGS changed alot.

Cubs360

You know what the funny thing is, Halo is a AAA series, while MGS is not.

Oh, because not every single MGS game got AAA on this site?

Every MGS game has a ton of new stuff, MGS-Base of everything,MGS2-FPS view,Hanging,Hiding bodies,Hiding in Lockers,MGS3-Knife,Cqc,Stamina effects Big boss actions,Swimming,Eating,Patching yourself up after gunshot wounds,Poison,etc,Camoflauge system.MGS4-Metal Gear MK,Solid Eye,Octocamo,Fear system(Phyche meter),and more...

Halo-Base,Halo 2-More maps/Weapons Halo 3- Amour more maps/weapons.... -.-

All the metal gear solids are the same except enviroment same whith halo but the difference for me is halo is much more fun and fast paced where mgs is slow and boring.magnax1

if youve never played mgs clap ur hands...

All the metal gear solids are the same except enviroment same whith halo but the difference for me is halo is much more fun and fast paced where mgs is slow and boring.magnax1

lol. people with a short attention span won't like metal gear solid. the game is about the story and not so much about gameplay. that why there are about as much cutscenes as there is gameplay.

back on topic:

idk what kind of a lame comparison is this. of course mgs4 has changed more.

[QUOTE="martin_f"]
I loved MGS, MGS2 not so much and loved MGS3 but the biggest change is 3> 4 I mean wtf snake is old? not ****c gameplay, rolling on your back and chucking grenades is considered a innovative feature W..T..F???

Whereas Halo has gone from chunky graphics to smoother and new maps and new guns and playing as an elite in SP and Forge and Theater and Multiplayer online...white_sox

The only reason that MGS has changed so much is because 3 and even 2 were behind the times. All of them besides the original really are AA games but fanboys usually review MGS games so they get over rated.SuperVegeta518

are you kiddin me?

mgs2 was "behind the times?"

remember if it aint broke, dont fix ;) Halo stayed true to the Halo World.....it plays and feels same as previous games because it has tested and great formula and for MGS....i never played any so cant say much about it other then MGS4 has weird gameplay

mingo123

funny how gamespot thought that was a bad thing when it came to MP3...

[QUOTE="white_sox"][QUOTE="martin_f"]
I loved MGS, MGS2 not so much and loved MGS3 but the biggest change is 3> 4 I mean wtf snake is old? not ****c gameplay, rolling on your back and chucking grenades is considered a innovative feature W..T..F???

Whereas Halo has gone from chunky graphics to smoother and new maps and new guns and playing as an elite in SP and Forge and Theater and Multiplayer online...SuperVegeta518

agreed, theres nothin really like forge on the pc, atleast to my knowledge

sure pc games have map editors where u can make the changes then load up the map and play but can u do that in real time such has halo 3 has done?

hell u can start up a game of forge and be editing stuff on the fly then jump back in and play, u can play in teams where one person is editing stuff and throwing u items to use while the other is doing the fighting, forge has more depth than ppl give it credit. for those who know nothing about it think its just a map editor

[QUOTE="SuperVegeta518"][QUOTE="white_sox"][QUOTE="martin_f"]
I loved MGS, MGS2 not so much and loved MGS3 but the biggest change is 3> 4 I mean wtf snake is old? not ****c gameplay, rolling on your back and chucking grenades is considered a innovative feature W..T..F???

Whereas Halo has gone from chunky graphics to smoother and new maps and new guns and playing as an elite in SP and Forge and Theater and Multiplayer online...wooopz

agreed, theres nothin really like forge on the pc, atleast to my knowledge

sure pc games have map editors where u can make the changes then load up the map and play but can u do that in real time such has halo 3 has done?

hell u can start up a game of forge and be editing stuff on the fly then jump back in and play u can play in teams where one person is editing stuff and throwing u items to use while the other is doing the fighting, forge has more depth than ppl give it credit. for those who know nothing about it think its just a map editor

Forge is a waste of time, just hope online and shoot people. MODS,Map editors,etc> FORGE.
Halo2s big innovation was duel weilding, the series is a joke. I thought 360 had orange box, thats you guys should be playing now.

Dumb topic. Of course MGS has changed more it went from starting on the PS1 toabout ten years later on the PS3. A better comparison would be MGS2 to MGS4 and Halo 1 to Halo 3.

Halo1 to 2 - downhill like a landslide. Halo2 to 3 - no change.

MGS1-4. Seem to be going even crazier with the story each time but the gameplay and technicals improve a lot each time also.

remember if it aint broke, dont fix ;) Halo stayed true to the Halo World.....it plays and feels same as previous games because it has tested and great formula and for MGS....i never played any so cant say much about it other then MGS4 has weird gameplay

mingo123

Thats a nice excuse for the blatant lack of innovation and changes. OMG Halo 3 has deployable shields!