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#1 Tony-Harrison
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The Conduit graphics have been both praised and criticised: http://youtube.com/watch?v=C5EhfHNPA8g The Conduit has Area Sensitive Hit Detection and Rag Doll Physics. Like in this Killzone 2 gif: http://www.imgplace.com/directory/dir68/1184458189.gif

But what fun is hit detection and ragdoll physics if your playing with a STATIC CONTROLLER! This is where The Conduit really takes a step in the right direction, and Killzone fails. All because of the controller.

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#2 -GhostMLD-
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I know whta you mean, cause like you need the Conduit to go back to the Citadel to beat Saren.
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#3 Tony-Harrison
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I know whta you mean, cause like you need the Conduit to go back to the Citadel to beat Saren. -GhostMLD-

I completed Mass Effect a week ago. I enjoyed it but the RPG elements where thin compared to classic Bioware RPG's like Baldurs Gate.

One of the best story's in an RPG ever though. I hope they work on the sequel.

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#4 insanewolfninja
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I know whta you mean, cause like you need the Conduit to go back to the Citadel to beat Saren. -GhostMLD-
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#6 fiscope
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I hope the conduit works out well. I dont care much for FPSs on my Wii. but I would love to see other devs use that engine to create some beautiful games!

Imagine the next zelda game with awesome visuals. That would be aces!

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#7 Tony-Harrison
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Shovelware. When will you sheep learn? :|DisPimpin

I'm not a sheep.

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#8 rgame1
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Shovelware. When will you sheep learn? :|DisPimpin

LMAO!! Dont' you lems and cows know the difference between shovelware and non-shovelwre?

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#9 Tony-Harrison
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[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]Shovelware. When will you sheep learn? :|rgame1

LMAO!! Dont' you lems and cows know the difference between shovelware and non-shovelwre?

Yeah The Conduit is not classified as Shovelware. Okami and Resident Evil 4 are technically shovelware, and they turned out great.

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#10 DisPimpin
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[QUOTE="rgame1"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]Shovelware. When will you sheep learn? :|Tony-Harrison

LMAO!! Dont' you lems and cows know the difference between shovelware and non-shovelwre?

Yeah The Conduit is not classified as Shovelware. Okami and Resident Evil 4 are technically shovelware, and they turned out great.

AAA games are technically shovelware? Mmmmmmkay. :roll:
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#11 Tony-Harrison
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AAA games are technically shovelware? Mmmmmmkay. :roll:DisPimpin

Shovelware can include ports.

What shovelware does not include are exclusive games made from the ground up with a specially developed engine for that platform.

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#12 DaBrainz
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Whether or not this game turns out to be good, it's nice to see a third party dev make an actual effort.
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#13 locopatho
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Look I love the Wii. But the Conduit looks like total a$$ to me. 360 and PS3 both murder the Wii in terms of FPS and that's not gonna change.
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#14 finalfantasy94
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Shovelware. When will you sheep learn? :|DisPimpin

Do you really know the dif between shovelware and non shovelware. Example shovelware is something like ninjabread man.

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#15 fishfake
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[QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"][QUOTE="rgame1"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]Shovelware. When will you sheep learn? :|DisPimpin

LMAO!! Dont' you lems and cows know the difference between shovelware and non-shovelwre?

Yeah The Conduit is not classified as Shovelware. Okami and Resident Evil 4 are technically shovelware, and they turned out great.

AAA games are technically shovelware? Mmmmmmkay. :roll:

go and play haze if you dont like the wii and only want too bash !

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[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]Shovelware. When will you sheep learn? :|finalfantasy94

Do you really know the dif between shovelware and non shovelware. Example shovelware is something like ninjabread man.

It saddens me this game sucked monkey armpits, was a funny concept.
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[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]AAA games are technically shovelware? Mmmmmmkay. :roll:Tony-Harrison

Shovelware can include ports.

What shovelware does not include are exclusive games made from the ground up with a specially developed engine for that platform.

Mass Effect PC is shovelware then... thx thats nice to know :roll:
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[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]AAA games are technically shovelware? Mmmmmmkay. :roll:Tony-Harrison

Shovelware can include ports.

What shovelware does not include are exclusive games made from the ground up with a specially developed engine for that platform.

Red Steel? :|
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#19 kaangonultas
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This game looks lame with bad graphics.
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[QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]AAA games are technically shovelware? Mmmmmmkay. :roll:DisPimpin

Shovelware can include ports.

What shovelware does not include are exclusive games made from the ground up with a specially developed engine for that platform.

Red Steel? :|

not shovelware
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Oooo, ragdolls and precise hitboxes? Welcome to 2003.
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#22 DisPimpin
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[QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]AAA games are technically shovelware? Mmmmmmkay. :roll:lolfiretruck

Shovelware can include ports.

What shovelware does not include are exclusive games made from the ground up with a specially developed engine for that platform.

Red Steel? :|

not shovelware

Really?
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[QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]AAA games are technically shovelware? Mmmmmmkay. :roll:DisPimpin

Shovelware can include ports.

What shovelware does not include are exclusive games made from the ground up with a specially developed engine for that platform.

Red Steel? :|

You really have no idea what shovelware is do you....LOL but thx for the laugh

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#24 Goldmatter
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To be honest i have no idea why people are getting excited.... this game does not look half as good as the majoirty of other shooters on the market. Its trying to sell itself on graphics, which is stupid considering it will look about the same as the original halo 2 which is a 4?5? year old game or half life 2 on the xbox which is also amazingly old. The Wii hardware needsa major overhaul if they want to compete in the market of the 360/ps3 in terms of RPGs & FPS, well unless you like gimicky controls in the games instead of awe inspiring graphics and responsive controls.

Agreeably it has good looking graphics for the wii, but to say they are good graphics by todays standards is a pretty far fetched statement. FPS to me are sold on how immersive they are which relys heavily on sound and graphics which is why FPS are at the forefront of the graphics industry, which is why the wii with its dolby pro logic II and system specs pretty much identical to the original xbox just cant hack it.

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#25 DisPimpin
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[QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]AAA games are technically shovelware? Mmmmmmkay. :roll:HarlockJC

Shovelware can include ports.

What shovelware does not include are exclusive games made from the ground up with a specially developed engine for that platform.

Red Steel? :|

You really have no idea what shovelware is do you....LOL but thx for the laugh

Enlighten me.
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#26 DivergeUnify
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This game looks lame with bad graphics.kaangonultas
I disagree, the lighting seems good and their is a decent amount of smoke and blood on screen.
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#27 fishfake
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]AAA games are technically shovelware? Mmmmmmkay. :roll:DisPimpin

Shovelware can include ports.

What shovelware does not include are exclusive games made from the ground up with a specially developed engine for that platform.

Red Steel? :|

You really have no idea what shovelware is do you....LOL but thx for the laugh

Enlighten me.

impossible !

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#28 legend26
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]AAA games are technically shovelware? Mmmmmmkay. :roll:DisPimpin

Shovelware can include ports.

What shovelware does not include are exclusive games made from the ground up with a specially developed engine for that platform.

Red Steel? :|

You really have no idea what shovelware is do you....LOL but thx for the laugh

Enlighten me.

even though redsteel was a bad game it wasnt shovelwere, the devs actually took time to make it, shovelwere games are just made to make a quick buck

on the conduit, im just happy that a dev is serious about making an online fps on wii with good graphics, ill just wait and see

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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]AAA games are technically shovelware? Mmmmmmkay. :roll:DisPimpin

Shovelware can include ports.

What shovelware does not include are exclusive games made from the ground up with a specially developed engine for that platform.

Red Steel? :|

You really have no idea what shovelware is do you....LOL but thx for the laugh

Enlighten me.

Showelware is really really low budget games with very little effort with only the purpose of making money with few sales cuz the budget for the games is low.

Calling Red Steel showelware is like calling Lair and Haze ahowelware. They were are all big budget.... but they just flopped.

And to the other guy, Okami and RE4 aren't showelware either.

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G-A-R-B-A-G-E

EazyD91

Ok, I'll play my garbage while you play haze and lair.

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[QUOTE="lolfiretruck"][QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]AAA games are technically shovelware? Mmmmmmkay. :roll:DisPimpin

Shovelware can include ports.

What shovelware does not include are exclusive games made from the ground up with a specially developed engine for that platform.

Red Steel? :|

not shovelware

Really?

Yep, 66% average, average of "mediocre" =/= shovelware.

This is shovelware.

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I think The Conduit is a step in the wrong direction. It looks like a supremely ugly FPS to me. The Wii needs games like Portal. Portal would have been perfect for the Wii.
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To be honest i have no idea why people are getting excited.... this game does not look half as good as the majoirty of other shooters on the market. Its trying to sell itself on graphics, which is stupid considering it will look about the same as the original halo 2 which is a 4?5? year old game or half life 2 on the xbox which is also amazingly old. The Wii hardware needsa major overhaul if they want to compete in the market of the 360/ps3 in terms of RPGs & FPS, well unless you like gimicky controls in the games instead of awe inspiring graphics and responsive controls.

Agreeably it has good looking graphics for the wii, but to say they are good graphics by todays standards is a pretty far fetched statement. FPS to me are sold on how immersive they are which relys heavily on sound and graphics which is why FPS are at the forefront of the graphics industry, which is why the wii with its dolby pro logic II and system specs pretty much identical to the original xbox just cant hack it.

Goldmatter

while i'll reserve judgement on the conduit til i know more about it, I disagree that the wii can't provide an immersive fps. the metroid prime games prove it with great art, sound and controls. the online capabilities are there as mohh2 shows. while having the extra horsepower can makes things look and sound nicer, not having them doesn't doom a game to be bad. by that logic, crysis is the only fps worth playing.

if high voltage nails the controls, single player campaign and the online. this is a first day purchase for me.

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#35 kaangonultas
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[QUOTE="kaangonultas"]This game looks lame with bad graphics.DivergeUnify
I disagree, the lighting seems good and their is a decent amount of smoke and blood on screen.

Those are the musts in nearly every single FPS. To me it looks drab
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#36 DivergeUnify
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[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="kaangonultas"]This game looks lame with bad graphics.kaangonultas
I disagree, the lighting seems good and their is a decent amount of smoke and blood on screen.

Those are the musts in nearly every single FPS. To me it looks drab

They are a must? I think CoD4 would disagree
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#37 YoshiFan123
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Why are you guys calling it a crappy wii game, They haven't even started making the game. Yesterday they finally got a publisher, and they can finally start the game, I remember in the Nintendo Voicechat, Matt said they haven't even started the game, the trailer we saw was just one or 2 levels, I think those were test levels, So I wouldn't be saying its crap yet, Just wait until we see other gameplay videos of it.
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#38 kaangonultas
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[QUOTE="kaangonultas"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="kaangonultas"]This game looks lame with bad graphics.DivergeUnify
I disagree, the lighting seems good and their is a decent amount of smoke and blood on screen.

Those are the musts in nearly every single FPS. To me it looks drab

They are a must? I think CoD4 would disagree

To me it just doesnt have anything appealing. Lastgen visuals with last gen sound.Mp3 looks alot better
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[QUOTE="lolfiretruck"][QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]AAA games are technically shovelware? Mmmmmmkay. :roll:DisPimpin

Shovelware can include ports.

What shovelware does not include are exclusive games made from the ground up with a specially developed engine for that platform.

Red Steel? :|

not shovelware

Really?

Bad game =/= shovelware. Shovelware is a game with little to no effort that is pumped out in like a week to try and get stupid people to buy it by having a flashy cover, or some kind of gimmick like it has a ninja whos a gingerbread man.

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[QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]AAA games are technically shovelware? Mmmmmmkay. :roll:DisPimpin

Shovelware can include ports.

What shovelware does not include are exclusive games made from the ground up with a specially developed engine for that platform.

Red Steel? :|

you dont know what shovelware is.

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#41 Willy105
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The Conduit is NOT a step in the right direction.

It's the same direction the other consoles are doing. More violence and more killing.

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[QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]AAA games are technically shovelware? Mmmmmmkay. :roll:samusarmada

Shovelware can include ports.

What shovelware does not include are exclusive games made from the ground up with a specially developed engine for that platform.

Red Steel? :|

you dont know what shovelware is.

There is a lesson learnded here today by all that observed.

No one knows what shovelware is better than people who own the Wii.

As for the Conduit, I'm hoping for the best. There are few FPS's on the 360 that I like and even fewer that I own because I don't have any money, and I really enjoyed the controls offered in MP3.

Sci-Fi shooters rock, too.

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No, SMG and MadWorld are steps in the right direction. Realism is overrated.
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[QUOTE="samusarmada"][QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]AAA games are technically shovelware? Mmmmmmkay. :roll:Arkthemaniac

Shovelware can include ports.

What shovelware does not include are exclusive games made from the ground up with a specially developed engine for that platform.

Red Steel? :|

you dont know what shovelware is.

There is a lesson learnded here today by all that observed.

No one knows what shovelware is better than people who own the Wii.

As for the Conduit, I'm hoping for the best. There are few FPS's on the 360 that I like and even fewer that I own because I don't have any money, and I really enjoyed the controls offered in MP3.

Sci-Fi shooters rock, too.

Or maybe it just proves that we don't need to make rubbish up, come up with absurd conclusions and we know videogame terms, unlike a lot of Lemmings and Cows, who spout out verbal diharrea on a daily basis.

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#45 haziqonfire
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The Conduit is getting way too much hype. IGN is hyping it to be the next best thing, the visuals dont even look that good. The developer, High Voltage, keep talking about how good it looks and how good the AI/Physics are, but no one is question how good the controls be, funny eh?
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#46 haziqonfire
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Shovelware. When will you sheep learn? :|DisPimpin

Shovelware is crap like Ninja Bread man that its sole purpose was to be rushed out fast to get some quick cash. The Conduit is obviously not being rushed.
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#47 Tragic_Kingdom7
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The Conduit is getting way too much hype. IGN is hyping it to be the next best thing, the visuals dont even look that good. The developer, High Voltage, keep talking about how good it looks and how good the AI/Physics are, but no one is question how good the controls be, funny eh?Haziqonfire

The visuals look terrible IMO.

I don't think it's a good idea to try and push the Wii. Here, they seem to be biting off more than the Wii can chew, resulting in a game that looks wildly unbalanced visually.

They need to keep making game's within the Wii's the graphical boundaries to produce excellent looking titles like Galaxy and Prime 3.

I think Wii fans need to just live with the console's graphics and focus on the Wii's strengths. There's not going to be any 360/PS3-looking Wii title. That is a pipe dream.

The Wiimote has alot of potential. The Wii could really benefit from games like Portal, which could make good use of the remote. Yes, shooters could be great too, but not ones that look as unappealing as the Conduit.

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#48 Goldmatter
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[QUOTE="Goldmatter"]

To be honest i have no idea why people are getting excited.... this game does not look half as good as the majoirty of other shooters on the market. Its trying to sell itself on graphics, which is stupid considering it will look about the same as the original halo 2 which is a 4?5? year old game or half life 2 on the xbox which is also amazingly old. The Wii hardware needsa major overhaul if they want to compete in the market of the 360/ps3 in terms of RPGs & FPS, well unless you like gimicky controls in the games instead of awe inspiring graphics and responsive controls.

Agreeably it has good looking graphics for the wii, but to say they are good graphics by todays standards is a pretty far fetched statement. FPS to me are sold on how immersive they are which relys heavily on sound and graphics which is why FPS are at the forefront of the graphics industry, which is why the wii with its dolby pro logic II and system specs pretty much identical to the original xbox just cant hack it.

Skunk_Mullet

while i'll reserve judgement on the conduit til i know more about it, I disagree that the wii can't provide an immersive fps. the metroid prime games prove it with great art, sound and controls. the online capabilities are there as mohh2 shows. while having the extra horsepower can makes things look and sound nicer, not having them doesn't doom a game to be bad. by that logic, crysis is the only fps worth playing.

if high voltage nails the controls, single player campaign and the online. this is a first day purchase for me.

I personally think that the metroid games are more Action adventure/FPS hybrid than a pure shooter. The online capabilities of mohh 2 are nothing in comparison to halo 3 or Cod4 etc etc, nintendo just doesnt have the online infrastructure to make them as popular onlien as the 360 and ps3 counterparts, but i do agree it is a big step forward for nintendo.

I should emphasis i said rely heavily on the graphics and sound, it does not mean that is the only element to the game i just find that it plays a large part in that genre more than other genres like sports games etc. If crysis would run on its highest settings for everyone yes i do think it would be it at the forefront of FPS games. But sadly that is not true. Other games like gears of war which in reality are a generic FPS to me where put into the AAA list with its amazing graphics and good charater and level design, combine that with the duck and cover A button it was amazing experience. But take away the graphics and personally i think it would be in line with alot of other FPS.

Nailing the controls i think are the key part to success for the game. The wii mote so far feels clumsy in comparison to the joystick equiverlant, but then again im one of the people who have played 100hr + of FPS online so im comparison to an average gamer i would say im more acustomed to two joysticks, over a lightgun and joystick combo.

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Looks like ass IMO
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#50 gamer620
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[QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"][QUOTE="rgame1"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]Shovelware. When will you sheep learn? :|DisPimpin

LMAO!! Dont' you lems and cows know the difference between shovelware and non-shovelwre?

Yeah The Conduit is not classified as Shovelware. Okami and Resident Evil 4 are technically shovelware, and they turned out great.

AAA games are technically shovelware? Mmmmmmkay. :roll:

Ports/Spinoffs = Shovelware. Quality isn't what makes shovelware, its the likelyhood that the game was developed simply to bring in more of a cash flow by minimal effort. Wii Play, definitely. All those sudoku games? Absolutely. Red Steel, nope. The Conduit, won't be shovelware. These are games built from the ground up on rather large budgets. You don't shovel a high budget title onto a system. High Budget titles are designed to maximize a system, not make a quick buck. If it was the otherway around, than a game like GTA4 would be considered shovelware because of the fact that the track record of the title sells millions and makes a hefty profit. It doesn't work like that.