The console business model is a SCAM.....

Imagine two retailers: One is selling a €40000 car that runs on fuel that costs €1 per litre. The other is selling SAME specced and quality car for €20000 that runs at €2 a litre....

Now just think about it...if you burn 3 tons of that fuel a year youve spent €3000 more and in 7 years that youve used that car it cost you €41000.....

This is console gaming. They sell you the hardware at a loss. Then they milk the blood out of you with €65 software.

Espessially the casual masses that shop in stores....

http://www.kotsovolos.gr/site/product.jsp?catid=10025691 €70 for wolfenstein PS3? This is one of the top retailers in Greece....The situation in the rest of EU isnt better as far as the retail stores are concerned.....

So while you are happy that Sony sold the PS3 to you for €300 as a casual non gamer....After only 10 games youre €1000 in red....

Yup, but try telling those folks around here. They'll tell you 1+1=3 and keep a straight face and you're wondering wether he really is that stupid or just joking around.

Gillette says hello. It's not a "scam" it's a loss leader.

How is this news to anyone? :?

Another anti-console thread from a PC elitist. Move along.

Of course it's a scam. Why do you think that Sony is willing to take a loss on every console sold. It's because they know that fanboys, soccer moms and pimply teenagers will buy overpriced games at full retail price. I personally only buy games on sale. I think the last game I bought at full retail was on the original Xbox. polishinfidel

I guess the console gamers already know this,but it seems they don´t really mind.

They must be all rich :D:P

Aren't you the guy that ignores my comments when I prove to him that games can be acquired for significantly less from other places within the European Union such as the United Kingdom? You just want bash consoles and will ignore any form of genuine advice provided to you.

Doesn't this all depend on the ammount of games you buy? Say you only play MW2 and you buy no other games, then your doing a lot better than someone who bought the expensive PC "/ace-of-spades93

No, because all you need to do is buy a graphics card a pop it into your PC. There's no away a computer made in the last 4 years isn't going to play MW2.

I get so tired of the misuse and abuse of language that goes on here. A scam implies that someone is being defrauded in some way. You have not demonstrated that this is happening with console gaming. Your post amounts to console gaming being a bad deal at best.

[QUOTE="ace-of-spades93"]Doesn't this all depend on the ammount of games you buy? Say you only play MW2 and you buy no other games, then your doing a lot better than someone who bought the expensive PC "/HaxxySax_7777

No, because all you need to do is buy a graphics card a pop it into your PC. There's no away a computer made in the last 4 years isn't going to play MW2.

Yeah the prices here suck. 70 euros for a new game pffft... I buy all of my games used or import them.

The games I buy at full price are worth it to me, otherwise I wouldn't buy them, so I don't care.

The games I buy at full price are worth it to me, otherwise I wouldn't buy them, so I don't care.

BZSIN

This, TBH.

hmmmm? and some how pc games are all ways sold or resold at a premium then? you mean i get good money for selling my pc games and other such things?

you mean i dont buy a graphics card and it ends up being obsolete within a year? lol *shakes head* pc gaming is just as money grubbing and a waste then console gaming.

hmmmm? and some how pc games are all ways sold or resold at a premium then? you mean i get good money for selling my pc games and other such things?

you mean i dont buy a graphics card and it ends up being obsolete within a year? lol *shakes head* pc gaming is just as money grubbing and a waste then console gaming.

WilliamRLBaker

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hmmmm? and some how pc games are all ways sold or resold at a premium then? you mean i get good money for selling my pc games and other such things?

you mean i dont buy a graphics card and it ends up being obsolete within a year? lol *shakes head* pc gaming is just as money grubbing and a waste then console gaming.

Arach666

Printer are just the same... its business. i try not to take it all to personnally.

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hmmmm? and some how pc games are all ways sold or resold at a premium then? you mean i get good money for selling my pc games and other such things?

you mean i dont buy a graphics card and it ends up being obsolete within a year? lol *shakes head* pc gaming is just as money grubbing and a waste then console gaming.

WilliamRLBaker

Since Crysis,no other game pushed the boundaries too far,so anyone that could run crysis on high settings back then,still can max most games even today.

And by the look of thing,unless Project offset is released soon,I think my GTX 285 will suffice for at least two or three years more.

You just got to know what to buy and think a bit far ahead. That´s what I do.

What's the point of this thread, all console gamers know this :o. salxis

Yeah exactly. How is it scam. SO you'd prefer to pay £1000 for a console and then pay £20 per game? Cos I know I wouldn't. It's called making the prices look more attractive. WHen console first come out, the hardware is very expensive. DVD/Blu-ray however are very cheap in comparison.

A scam? The PS3 Slim was released not too long ago. For $300 I got a Blu-Ray player and a pretty sweet console. I have yet to pay more than $30 for a game. My 360, while it is a big pile of junk and has its kinks here and there(it was sent in once for rrod), I've only purchased it the one time and it continues to have top of the line game releases going all the way back to '06. My last three 360 games cost me $25 brand new. You just have to know where to look. If you are a pc gamer, where do you get your parts/accessories? Newegg? Or a similar online site that offers things at a cheaper price? Well duh.

On top of a pc rig, which will cost you a pretty penny, they get you far more than any company does on consoles with extremely overpriced keyboards and mice. I find the pc gaming model takes far more advantage of its consumer. The games almost REQUIRE you to upgrade. Sure you can still run games, but most of the time when you read an article about a game/development that pushes the envelop of a criteria, it's almost always stressed that to get the full experience you'll need this and that.

I have about 30 PS3 games. At $10 a game (the difference for new releases in the US), I'm out about $300 in additional costs, over 3 years. Not exactly a major expense. I don't know why pricing is so out of whack in Greece, but I assure you that it's not a big deal in the US.

Also, I suggest you look up the concept of "time-value of money". It really applies more to capital expenditures and therefore doesn't affect game consoles as much, but it would definitely have some implications on your car analogy.

I have about 30 PS3 games. At $10 a game (the difference for new releases in the US), I'm out about $300 in additional costs, over 3 years. Not exactly a major expense. I don't know why pricing is so out of whack in Greece, but I assure you that it's not a big deal in the US.lowe0

He could simply import his games from the United Kingdom like many other informed, European gamers do. The Germans and the Portuguese seem to enjoy this especially. Saving €10 to €20 per game and having uncensored games = paying less for more.

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hmmmm? and some how pc games are all ways sold or resold at a premium then? you mean i get good money for selling my pc games and other such things?

you mean i dont buy a graphics card and it ends up being obsolete within a year? lol *shakes head* pc gaming is just as money grubbing and a waste then console gaming.

WilliamRLBaker

Oh wow TC, I guess you'll never get tired of doing that one trick on your pony.

I bought these games at full price

Mass effect 1 (20$ Plat hits)

ME2 (Cerebrus card)

Bayonetta( Smashing fun)

AC2(Worth every dime)

Imagine two retailers: One is selling a €40000 car that runs on fuel that costs €1 per litre. The other is selling SAME specced and quality car for €20000 that runs at €2 a litre....

Now just think about it...if you burn 3 tons of that fuel a year youve spent €3000 more and in 7 years that youve used that car it cost you €41000.....

This is console gaming. They sell you the hardware at a loss. Then they milk the blood out of you with €65 software.

Espessially the casual masses that shop in stores....

http://www.kotsovolos.gr/site/product.jsp?catid=10025691 €70 for wolfenstein PS3? This is one of the top retailers in Greece....The situation in the rest of EU isnt better as far as the retail stores are concerned.....

So while you are happy that Sony sold the PS3 to you for €300 as a casual non gamer....After only 10 games youre €1000 in red....

True_Gamer_

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Imagine two retailers: One is selling a €40000 car that runs on fuel that costs €1 per litre. The other is selling SAME specced and quality car for €20000 that runs at €2 a litre....

Now just think about it...if you burn 3 tons of that fuel a year youve spent €3000 more and in 7 years that youve used that car it cost you €41000.....

This is console gaming. They sell you the hardware at a loss. Then they milk the blood out of you with €65 software.

Espessially the casual masses that shop in stores....

http://www.kotsovolos.gr/site/product.jsp?catid=10025691 €70 for wolfenstein PS3? This is one of the top retailers in Greece....The situation in the rest of EU isnt better as far as the retail stores are concerned.....

So while you are happy that Sony sold the PS3 to you for €300 as a casual non gamer....After only 10 games youre €1000 in red....

Zero_epyon

Imagine two retailers: One is selling a €40000 car that runs on fuel that costs €1 per litre. The other is selling SAME specced and quality car for €20000 that runs at €2 a litre....

Now just think about it...if you burn 3 tons of that fuel a year youve spent €3000 more and in 7 years that youve used that car it cost you €41000.....

This is console gaming. They sell you the hardware at a loss. Then they milk the blood out of you with €65 software.

Espessially the casual masses that shop in stores....

http://www.kotsovolos.gr/site/product.jsp?catid=10025691 €70 for wolfenstein PS3? This is one of the top retailers in Greece....The situation in the rest of EU isnt better as far as the retail stores are concerned.....

So while you are happy that Sony sold the PS3 to you for €300 as a casual non gamer....After only 10 games youre €1000 in red....

True_Gamer_

the simple fact remains that a graphics card purchased a year before a high end card will not play the latest greatest games a year and a half later at the highest settings. Hence obsolete.WilliamRLBaker

People throw the word scam around far too easily. According to the logic of TC and many others, businesses should not make money and be non-profit. Business models are constructed to make money so they can reinvest in their technology and make better products. They are not making you buy their system or their games.

People throw the word scam around far too easily. According to the logic of TC and many others, businessesshould not make money and be non-profit. Business models are constructed to make money so they can reinvest in theirtechnology and make better products. They are not making you buy their system or their games.

tempest91

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People throw the word scam around far too easily. According to the logic of TC and many others, businessesshould not make money and be non-profit. Business models are constructed to make money so they can reinvest in theirtechnology and make better products. They are not making you buy their system or their games.

surrealnumber5

Pretty much. I can see how people can be angry that consumers are paying more for less, and not just for the sake of inflation, but because of specific business models, but to complain because they lose money on consoles just to make it back on games, that millions still buy at the retail price is just ridiculous.

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People throw the word scam around far too easily. According to the logic of TC and many others, businessesshould not make money and be non-profit. Business models are constructed to make money so they can reinvest in theirtechnology and make better products. They are not making you buy their system or their games.

tempest91

Pretty much. I can see how people can be angry that consumers are paying more for less, and not just for the sake of inflation, but because of specific business models, but to complain because they lose money on consoles just to make it back on games, that millions still buy at the retail price is just ridiculous.

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] just shows how socialistic people have become, soon to come we will see thread about how evil non-governmental products aresurrealnumber5

Pretty much. I can see how people can be angry that consumers are paying more for less, and not just for the sake of inflation, but because of specific business models, but to complain because they lose money on consoles just to make it back on games, that millions still buy at the retail price is just ridiculous.

Yes, but free market has come to mean buy anything you want, then complain when it doesn't do what it's not supposed to.

Gaming is a money making business, just like every other media.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="tempest91"]

Pretty much. I can see how people can be angry that consumers are paying more for less, and not just for the sake of inflation, but because of specific business models, but to complain because they lose money on consoles just to make it back on games, that millions still buy at the retail price is just ridiculous.

tempest91

Yes, but free market has come to mean buy anything you want, then complain when it doesn't do what it's not supposed to.

It's a cheaper price upfront. And paying something in payments is much easier than paying all in one go. Sorry i would rather pay $1000 a month for a 200,000 house and end up paying 300,00 then paying 150,000 up front.