The difference between the big 3's business philosophies

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#1  Edited By NotAFanboy
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Reading rumors about the NX, Xbox 1.5, and PS4.5/4k, I can't help but be concerned about how the console market is edging closer to the PC or smartphone market.

As a dedicated console gamer, I have to ask myself what the point of owning a console is if they're going to be upgraded every couple of years?

Whose fault is it that we're marching down the path of annual console upgrades?

To be completely fair and objective, I have to say the blame lies entirely on Microsoft and Nintendo.

I'm not being a fanboy (Read my name) or trolling when I say this, but I think both of these companies are cancerous to gaming and should take a hike.

The reason why I prefer SONY to these 2 slimeball companies is because SONY operates on maintaining goodwill with their customers. When SONY releases a flop like the PS3, SONY sticks with their guns and supports their products until the very end. The PS3 was a giant moneypit for SONY, but SONY wanted to make their fans happy to maintain their trust when they release the PS4. SONY's dedication was rewarded, as the PS4 is now destroying the competition.

SONY's business philosophy is putting their fans first so they continue buying SONY products.

Now let's have a look at both Nintendo and MS.

Both Nintendo and MS don't have the dedication that SONY has. The moment they release a flop (Wii U, original Xbox, Xbox ONE, Game Cube), they don't even bother trying to preserve the trust they have with their fans who bought their crappy products like SONY would. Instead, they have an emergency business meeting a couple of weeks after the product releases discussing their plans for a successor.

We can see how their business model failed, as they have hardly any fans left (GameSpot is Cow Spot) and are on the brink of shutting down.

Both the NX and Xbox 1.5 are Nintendo and Microsoft going back to their old habits of giving up on failed products, crying like a baby and wanting to restart the generation.

Unfortunately, I feel that there is a lot of emotional stress over at SONY. They don't want to betray their fans, but with Nintendo and MS acting like complete crybabies, SONY may need to release an upgraded PS4 to fend-off the new machines.

I say this as objectively as possible: I feel the gaming industry would be better without MS and Nintendo, because their business philosophy isn't consumer-friendly while SONY's is.

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#3  Edited By dynamitecop
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The shit posting with you never ends.

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#4 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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You know what, I'm going to leave this one open.

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#5 lostrib
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Wasn't sony forced to pay out after being found guilty of false advertising?

Also, has there actually been any confirmation of an updated X1? while the PS4K/PS4.5 seems to be considered all but official by the media

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#6  Edited By iandizion713
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Where was Sony's dedication to the fans who bought and invested in PSTV, PS Move, PS Camera, PS Vita etc?

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#7 deactivated-6092a2d005fba
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tl;dr

Let guess this not an intelligent fanboy guy is blaming something on MS/Xbox right?

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#8  Edited By lostrib
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@i_p_daily said:

tl;dr

Let guess this not an intelligent fanboy guy is blaming something on MS/Xbox right?

and nintendo

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#9 NotAFanboy
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@iandizion713 said:

Where was Sony's dedication to the fans who bought and invested in PSTV, PS Move, PS Camera, PS Vita etc?

Those are side products that no one cares about. None of those accessories were considered game-changing and were never intended to be anything more than a small gimmick.

Something like a console is an important staple of the big 3 and giving up on one of your most important products mid-gen is a sign of a company who has anti-consumer business philosophies.

MS giving up on Kinect, which was supposed to be the main attraction on the Xbox ONE, is an example of this.

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@lostrib: So which one caused cancer and which one caused the plague, and how did Sony come up with the cure?

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#11  Edited By iandizion713
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@notafanboy: O ok, thats fair then i guess.

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@notafanboy said:

I'm not being a fanboy

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#13 Primorandomguy
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Do you even read the non sense you post? You're double standards are ridiculous. And all you posted was speculation, assumptions, and straight up bs. If you think Sony has your best interest at heart. You are very naive. In fact id say Sony is worse than Nintendo and Microsoft.

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I love how your credibility of not being a fanboy is based only on your username.

That's like saying, I'm an expert on all verbs that have ever existed.

But back on topic, I think the PS Vita and PSPgo invalidate most of your argument about supporting it until the end.

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@verbtex said:

I love how your credibility of not being a fanboy is based only on your username.

That's like saying, I'm an expert on all verbs that have ever existed.

But back on topic, I think the PS Vita and PSPgo invalidate most of your argument about supporting it until the end.

If we are doing the usernames thing, does that mean I am the 1605th Charizard?

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@charizard1605 said:
@verbtex said:

I love how your credibility of not being a fanboy is based only on your username.

That's like saying, I'm an expert on all verbs that have ever existed.

But back on topic, I think the PS Vita and PSPgo invalidate most of your argument about supporting it until the end.

If we are doing the usernames thing, does that mean I am the 1605th Charizard?

Precisely

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#17  Edited By NotAFanboy
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@primorandomguy said:

Do you even read the non sense you post? You're double standards are ridiculous. And all you posted was speculation, assumptions, and straight up bs. If you think Sony has your best interest at heart. You are very naive. In fact id say Sony is worse than Nintendo and Microsoft.

No, I do not think SONY really cares about me.

What I'm talking about is the way SONY and MS/Nintendo try to get my money.

SONY tries to earn my money by being pro-consumer. They stick with their products until the end. They try to keep their customers happy in hopes that we'll rebuy their future products. SONY doesn't try to push anti-consumer policies like pay2play online gaming. They're always cautious about what they do so that they can please us.

MS & Nintendo are like sleazy used car salesmen. They hook you in from the start, then leave you dry with a paperweight machine.

To be honest, I know all 3 companies only like money, but it's the way SONY tries to make money that makes me like them a lot more than Nintendo and MS.

I would like Nintendo and MS a lot more if they acted like SONY. Both NX and the Xbox ONE are tanking hard like the PS3 did. Instead of saying, "Gee, maybe we should try our best to keep our machine afloat and make our fans happy", they're throwing in the towel and releasing new machines.

I hope they both get burned hard and leave the console market. SONY needs better competition than Nintendo and MS.

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I'm actually starting to like you dude! You're of a rare type of bullshit artist.

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#19 FLOPPAGE_50
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This thread hurt my head

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#20 MonsieurX
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At least OP is entertaining

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#21 speedfreak48t5p
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Yeah, you're totally not a fanboy at all.

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I agree wholeshartedly.

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@notafanboy said:
@primorandomguy said:

Do you even read the non sense you post? You're double standards are ridiculous. And all you posted was speculation, assumptions, and straight up bs. If you think Sony has your best interest at heart. You are very naive. In fact id say Sony is worse than Nintendo and Microsoft.

No, I do not think SONY really cares about me.

What I'm talking about is the way SONY and MS/Nintendo try to get my money.

SONY tries to earn my money by being pro-consumer. They stick with their products until the end. They try to keep their customers happy in hopes that we'll rebuy their future products. SONY doesn't try to push anti-consumer policies like pay2play online gaming. They're always cautious about what they do so that they can please us.

MS & Nintendo are like sleazy used car salesmen. They hook you in from the start, then leave you dry with a paperweight machine.

To be honest, I know all 3 companies only like money, but it's the way SONY tries to make money that makes me like them a lot more than Nintendo and MS.

I would like Nintendo and MS a lot more if they acted like SONY. Both NX and the Xbox ONE are tanking hard like the PS3 did. Instead of saying, "Gee, maybe we should try our best to keep our machine afloat and make our fans happy", they're throwing in the towel and releasing new machines.

I hope they both get burned hard and leave the console market. SONY needs better competition than Nintendo and MS.

See Vita and every peripheral they have ever released.

Seriously? WTF do you think PS+ is? Online multiplayer is locked behind a paywall.

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@charizard1605 said:

You know what, I'm going to leave this one open.

Great!

(End sarcasm).

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@notafanboy said:
@primorandomguy said:

Do you even read the non sense you post? You're double standards are ridiculous. And all you posted was speculation, assumptions, and straight up bs. If you think Sony has your best interest at heart. You are very naive. In fact id say Sony is worse than Nintendo and Microsoft.

No, I do not think SONY really cares about me.

What I'm talking about is the way SONY and MS/Nintendo try to get my money.

SONY tries to earn my money by being pro-consumer. They stick with their products until the end. They try to keep their customers happy in hopes that we'll rebuy their future products. SONY doesn't try to push anti-consumer policies like pay2play online gaming. They're always cautious about what they do so that they can please us.

MS & Nintendo are like sleazy used car salesmen. They hook you in from the start, then leave you dry with a paperweight machine.

To be honest, I know all 3 companies only like money, but it's the way SONY tries to make money that makes me like them a lot more than Nintendo and MS.

I would like Nintendo and MS a lot more if they acted like SONY. Both NX and the Xbox ONE are tanking hard like the PS3 did. Instead of saying, "Gee, maybe we should try our best to keep our machine afloat and make our fans happy", they're throwing in the towel and releasing new machines.

I hope they both get burned hard and leave the console market. SONY needs better competition than Nintendo and MS.

Microsoft is not technically releasing a new machine. It's an upgraded version of the current xbox one.

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There's not even any confirmation for information or release dates of any new consoles or upgrades

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#29 Mr_Huggles_dog
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BARK!!!

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#30 Howmakewood
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Thank you for your unbiased well thought post TC

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The simple solution would be, build yourself a gaming PC. There problem solved my console gaming friend.

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@charizard1605 said:

You know what, I'm going to leave this one open.

Good god why? lol

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#33  Edited By deactivated-59d151f079814
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It's really, really cringe worthy how some people seriously think these entertainment corporations care about them on the personal level.. It's quite sad really and a bit pathetic that people seem to have some kind of personal attachment to a company they do not work for, and had absolutely nothing to do with it's building.. A attachment so cringe worthy that when there is a criticism, people act like themselves or a loved one was just insulted..

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#34 DaVillain  Moderator
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@blue_hazy_basic said:
@charizard1605 said:

You know what, I'm going to leave this one open.

Good god why? lol

The thread isn't really worth locking and OP was very somewhat, how should I say this, NotAFanboy :P

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#35 mjorh
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How's Cerny doing?

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I'm actually starting to like you dude! You're of a rare type of bullshit artist.

lmao !

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#36 DarkrecoN
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Good will of sony lol stop reading there

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#37 Heil68
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Sony's gen 8 proven by gamers for gamers has come through brilliantly.

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#38  Edited By QuadKnight
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To be honest all 3 companies are being shit right now and I won't be surprised if these fast moves they are pulling now lead to the collapse of console market. I honestly don't see the point of owning consoles if they are going to be following this new upgrade plan, I'd rather invest the money on my PC. I do agree with you that Sony is the less shitty of the three but that's where it ends. All the big three are shit right now.

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@charizard1605 said:

You know what, I'm going to leave this one open.

LOL !!

@dynamitecop said:

The shit posting with you never ends.

Gotta admit that it´s entertaining.

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Nintendo listened to their consumers that wanted a more powerful console so it looks like they're about to release one.

Microsoft listened to their consumers that wanted a more powerful console so it looks like they're about to release one.

Sony isn't listening to anyone since their current console is suppose to be the most powerful but they're going to go right ahead and release an even more powerful console while shoving VR gimmicks down their fans throats. The PS4 has the larger install base so by introducing a new updated PS4K and games that could possibly playable only on PS4K, it really isolates, divide and slap the faces of owners from that large install base. Before all this updated console news broke, Sony fans were laughing at the idea that the competition had the idea to do so. Now look at them embracing the idea but at the same time they feel milked.

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#42 360ru13r
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When OP said Sony was pro-gamer.

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#43 FLOPPAGE_50
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When OP said Sony was pro-gamer.

watch out bro, he'll go all logistics on you

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#44  Edited By HalcyonScarlet
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First of all, let me start with PS Vita. A console Sony dropped nearly as soon as it was released. Considering that console cost more than the PS3 at one point, that was just rude.

Secondly, with the blame.

Let's start with Nintendo, their problem is they don't have a clue, I've said this before, there is nothing wrong with the Wii U. The problem is with Nintendo, partly because they don't put the needs and wants of developers first.

Now with Xbox, the first one, didn't sell well and Nvidia was keeping the costs high. So MS and Nvidia screwed each other over. Nvidia with the GPU costs and MS by withholding Direct X development from them with there 5000 series graphics cards. I'm not even going to lie, MS systematically dropped the Xbox One.

HOWEVER, and here's the difference. MS was only talking about an upgraded console, one after Sony already mentioned it last year and two, between them, MS is still only talking about it. I thought they were still in the market research position trying to work out if it's a good idea. Sony on the other hand, has a prototype, details like specs, cost and release dates are leaking out. Which leads me to the conclusion, given how weak the current gen consoles are and how Sony didn't want to pick up the cost per unit this gen, and how far along they are with the new upgrade, this could very well have been their plan all along.

Now that's lying by omission. It's deceptive.

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You do realise the ps4.5/4k is just a glorified media device. It won't be running games at 4k

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#46 scatteh316
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Why you have to type SONY in capitals? Do you think SONY cares about you? Are you SONY'S bitch?

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@HalcyonScarlet said:

First of all, let me start with PS Vita. A console Sony dropped nearly as soon as it was released. Considering that console cost more than the PS3 at one point, that was just rude.

Secondly, with the blame.

Let's start with Nintendo, their problem is they don't have a clue, I've said this before, there is nothing wrong with the Wii U. The problem is with Nintendo, partly because they don't put the needs and wants of developers first.

Now with Xbox, the first one, didn't sell well and Nvidia was keeping the costs high. So MS and Nvidia screwed each other over. Nvidia with the GPU costs and MS by withholding Direct X development from them with there 5000 series graphics cards. I'm not even going to lie, MS systematically dropped the Xbox One.

HOWEVER, and here's the difference. MS was only talking about an upgraded console, one after Sony already mentioned it last year and two, between them, MS is still only talking about it. I thought they were still in the market research position trying to work out if it's a good idea. Sony on the other hand, has a prototype, details like specs, cost and release dates are leaking out. Which leads me to the conclusion, given how weak the current gen consoles are and how Sony didn't want to pick up the cost per unit this gen, and how far along they are with the new upgrade, this could very well have been their plan all along.

Now that's lying by omission. It's deceptive.

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#48  Edited By HalcyonScarlet
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@dynamitecop said:

The shit posting with you never ends.

Ah the picture man, too soon, too soon.

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@HalcyonScarlet said:
@dynamitecop said:

The shit posting with you never ends.

Ah the picture man, too soon, too soon.

You can't simmer the Zimmer!

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#50 Primorandomguy
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I guess this thread backfired big time with Phil recently staying that they have no interest in Xbox One 1/2 huh? Any other brilliant assumptions? Does this make Microsoft the good guy and Sony bad?