The diffrence between Shovelware and a bad game (2 pics)

This is shovelware:

This is just a bad game:

The diffrence? Shovelware is a game that is low budget, minimal effort, and designed purely on the focous of a target audience which is completly unimformed about games for that 1/100 person that walks by that buys Barbie Horse Adventures because of the brand or because it has horses in it. Bad games are respectable budget, visionary, with some degree of effort put into it that just didin't preform. In that a game such as Advent Rising or Alone in The Dark is a game with ideas, budget, and effort, however it did not live up to the ideas that were given.

I hope this gives you a more informed idea of the subject.

I agree

What about this?

What about this?

BubbyJello

same game = same shovelware?

could be wrong tho

IGN gave dog island a 7. IGN gave hour of victory a 5.7. Gamespot gave hour of victory a 2.

Dog Island >>> Hour of victory

What about this?

BubbyJello

Thats exactly the same in that, that is also shovelware, so is this.

And thats really creepy shovelware....

IGN gave dog island a 7. IGN gave hour of victory a 5.7. Gamespot gave hour of victory a 2.

Dog Island >>> Hour of victory

CruxisXIII

I'm not saying which one is better im just saying whats the diffrence between the two.

IGN gave dog island a 7. IGN gave hour of victory a 5.7. Gamespot gave hour of victory a 2.

Dog Island >>> Hour of victory

CruxisXIII

Shovelware can be better then a bad game.

[QUOTE="CruxisXIII"]

IGN gave dog island a 7. IGN gave hour of victory a 5.7. Gamespot gave hour of victory a 2.

Dog Island >>> Hour of victory

BubbyJello

Shovelware can be better then a bad game.

[QUOTE="BubbyJello"]

What about this?

insanejedi

Thats exactly the same in that, that is also shovelware, so is this.

And thats really creepy shovelware....

atleast that games not 40$

in my opinion shovelware is where the devs dont care if the game is bad or not they are just trying to make a quick buck, a bad game is where they atleasted attempted at something good, but just failed in the end

Now which one is worse? :P

They're both not very pleasant to have (as in Shovelware or Bad game).Saturos3091

Financially and perhaps in some ways critically, a bad game is always going to be a bad game, and more power to the consumer if they dont sell, however shovelware does sell in which it gives the publishers more money. From a morally and an industry growth standpoint Shovelware should be a disease that should be stopped since these games sell. It's essentially the same as scamming a consumer since it makes them buy a game like Bratz instead of perhaps something thats more deserving such as Zack and Wiki.

[QUOTE="CruxisXIII"]

IGN gave dog island a 7. IGN gave hour of victory a 5.7. Gamespot gave hour of victory a 2.

Dog Island >>> Hour of victory

BubbyJello

Shovelware can be better then a bad game.

Point being? I can't show you a good bad game because that doesn't exist. A bad game is a bad game and thats that. I'm just stating the diffrence between the two, not which one is better and which one is worse. Would i play Dog Island over Hour of Victory? Probebly yes! I'd stab my eyeballs out before playing Hour of Victory.

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]Now which one is worse? :P

They're both not very pleasant to have (as in Shovelware or Bad game).insanejedi

Financially and perhaps in some ways critically, a bad game is always going to be a bad game, and more power to the consumer if they dont sell, however shovelware does sell in which it gives the publishers more money. From a morally and an industry growth standpoint Shovelware should be a disease that should be stopped since these games sell. It's essentially the same as scamming a consumer since it makes them buy a game like Bratz instead of perhaps something thats more deserving such as Zack and Wiki.

[QUOTE="insanejedi"]

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]Now which one is worse? :P

They're both not very pleasant to have (as in Shovelware or Bad game).Saturos3091

Financially and perhaps in some ways critically, a bad game is always going to be a bad game, and more power to the consumer if they dont sell, however shovelware does sell in which it gives the publishers more money. From a morally and an industry growth standpoint Shovelware should be a disease that should be stopped since these games sell. It's essentially the same as scamming a consumer since it makes them buy a game like Bratz instead of perhaps something thats more deserving such as Zack and Wiki.

That is argueably shovelware but it's a fine line, but since it's a licensed title. Usually licensed games are shovelware but there are noteable exceptions such as the LOTR series, Riddick, and Borne.

IGN gave dog island a 7. IGN gave hour of victory a 5.7. Gamespot gave hour of victory a 2.

Dog Island >>> Hour of victory

CruxisXIII

That's awesome. :P

Someboy should post all the movie tie-in shovelware that's on the Xbox360. Hellboy, Superman Returns, and all that crap.

This is shovelware.

[QUOTE="CruxisXIII"]

IGN gave dog island a 7. IGN gave hour of victory a 5.7. Gamespot gave hour of victory a 2.

Dog Island >>> Hour of victory

Tony-Harrison

That's awesome. :P

Someboy should post all the movie tie-in shovelware that's on the Xbox360. Hellboy, Superman Returns, and all that crap.

Apperently people cant read...

*facepalm*

[QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"][QUOTE="CruxisXIII"]

IGN gave dog island a 7. IGN gave hour of victory a 5.7. Gamespot gave hour of victory a 2.

Dog Island >>> Hour of victory

insanejedi

That's awesome. :P

Someboy should post all the movie tie-in shovelware that's on the Xbox360. Hellboy, Superman Returns, and all that crap.

Apperently people cant read...

*facepalm*

A lot of movie tie in's are just cheap cash ins of the movie. There are a good number of them on the Xbox360.

[QUOTE="insanejedi"][QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"][QUOTE="CruxisXIII"]

IGN gave dog island a 7. IGN gave hour of victory a 5.7. Gamespot gave hour of victory a 2.

Dog Island >>> Hour of victory

Tony-Harrison

That's awesome. :P

Someboy should post all the movie tie-in shovelware that's on the Xbox360. Hellboy, Superman Returns, and all that crap.

Apperently people cant read...

*facepalm*

A lot of movie tie in's are just cheap cash ins of the movie. There are a good number of them on the Xbox360.

You've completly missed the point of the topic... and your showing that even now...

You've completly missed the point of the topic... and your showing that even now... insanejedi

No, I just disagree with you. Movie tie in's with minimal efforts are shovelware. First person shooters can also be shovelware. Any game that treats it's target audience as a statistic and caters to them moronically is shovelware.

Shovelware = cheap cash in.

I bet cow's wish this was shovelware :lol:

shovelware is always a bad game

but bad games aren't always shovelware

shovelware is always a bad game

but bad games aren't always shovelware

mistervengeance

What about the people have already begun calling Wii Music shovelware?

[QUOTE="insanejedi"]You've completly missed the point of the topic... and your showing that even now... Tony-Harrison

No, I just disagree with you. Movie tie in's with minimal efforts are shovelware. First person shooters can also be shovelware. Any game that treats it's target audience as a statistic and caters to them moronically is shovelware.

Shovelware = cheap cash in.

[QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

shovelware is always a bad game

but bad games aren't always shovelware

Tony-Harrison

What about the people have already begun calling Wii Music shovelware?

those people are stupid, they don't know ow to speaking things properly.

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]Now which one is worse? :P

They're both not very pleasant to have (as in Shovelware or Bad game).insanejedi

It's essentially the same as scamming a consumer since it makes them buy a game like Bratz instead of perhaps something thats more deserving such as Zack and Wiki.

The sad thing is, games like Zack and Wiki actually seem like shovelware at first glance.

If I was completely uninformed about the game, I wouldn't give some little kid and his flying monkey a second thought.

Anyway, as far as scamming goes, my theory is: if someone's stupid enough to actually buy something like that, then let them suffer for it.

[QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"][QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

shovelware is always a bad game

but bad games aren't always shovelware

clembo1990

What about the people have already begun calling Wii Music shovelware?

those people are stupid, they don't know ow to speaking things properly.

If you weren't kidding, you just self-owned yourself.

Hypocrisy FTW

[QUOTE="insanejedi"]

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]Now which one is worse? :P

They're both not very pleasant to have (as in Shovelware or Bad game).Shadow_of_Kirby

It's essentially the same as scamming a consumer since it makes them buy a game like Bratz instead of perhaps something thats more deserving such as Zack and Wiki.

The sad thing is, games like Zack and Wiki actually seem like shovelware at first glance.

If I was completely uninformed about the game, I wouldn't give some little kid and his flying monkey a second thought.

Anyway, as far as scamming goes, my theory is: if someone's stupid enough to actually buy something like that, then let them suffer for it.

That's not going to help the industry...

[QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

shovelware is always a bad game

but bad games aren't always shovelware

Tony-Harrison

What about the people have already begun calling Wii Music shovelware?

No effort was put into it, right?

All they did was use their cheap Mii animations and added some instruments and backgrounds.

Then, you just pretend you're playing an instrument, and that's the game.

[QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

shovelware is always a bad game

but bad games aren't always shovelware

Tony-Harrison

What about the people have already begun calling Wii Music shovelware?

it's going to be a bad game. i don't know if it will technically be shovelware though.

[QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"][QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

shovelware is always a bad game

but bad games aren't always shovelware

Shadow_of_Kirby

What about the people have already begun calling Wii Music shovelware?

No effort was put into it, right?

All they did was use their cheap Mii animations and added some instruments and backgrounds.

Then, you just pretend you're playing an instrument, and that's the game.

Er, no. It's being made by Nintendo Entertainment Analysis and Development. Not some third party cash in developer.

Same team who are making Wii Sports Resort.

That's not going to help the industry...

insanejedi

Well, we can't do anything about it, except sit back and laugh.

[QUOTE="Shadow_of_Kirby"][QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"][QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

shovelware is always a bad game

but bad games aren't always shovelware

Tony-Harrison

What about the people have already begun calling Wii Music shovelware?

No effort was put into it, right?

All they did was use their cheap Mii animations and added some instruments and backgrounds.

Then, you just pretend you're playing an instrument, and that's the game.

Er, no. It's being made by Nintendo Entertainment Analyses and Development.

Never heard of them.

But I'm guessing from the context that everything they make is good.

[QUOTE="BubbyJello"][QUOTE="CruxisXIII"]

IGN gave dog island a 7. IGN gave hour of victory a 5.7. Gamespot gave hour of victory a 2.

Dog Island >>> Hour of victory

insanejedi

Shovelware can be better then a bad game.

Point being? I can't show you a good bad game because that doesn't exist. A bad game is a bad game and thats that. I'm just stating the diffrence between the two, not which one is better and which one is worse. Would i play Dog Island over Hour of Victory? Probebly yes! I'd stab my eyeballs out before playing Hour of Victory.

I know.

My post wasn't even directed at you. But I guess my point is that some bad games are better then shovelware, and vice-versa.

The sad thing is, games like Zack and Wiki actually seem like shovelware at first glance.

Shadow_of_Kirby

I thought that game looked like Shovelware too. It turned out to be a brilliant game that I recommend to everyone.

It took IGN massive hype and an AAA score to convince people though. I like IGN for stuff like that. They're saying The Conduit is really good too. They where also the ones who said Medal of Honor Heroes 2 had a better control system than Metroid Prime 3 and nobody believed them until it actually came out.

Er, no. It's being made by Nintendo Entertainment Analysis and Development. Not some third party cash in developer.

Same team who are making Wii Sports Resort.

Tony-Harrison

Just because it is being done by Nintendo it shouldn't have to get a free pass from the labeled shovelware prospect. From what we've seen of it like Shadow_of_Kirby is saying we don't even play the dam game... wth does that make it in the first place, I do not know...

[QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]

Er, no. It's being made by Nintendo Entertainment Analysis and Development. Not some third party cash in developer.

Same team who are making Wii Sports Resort.

StealthSting

Just because it is being done by Nintendo it shouldn't have to get a free pass from the labeled shovelware prospect. From what we've seen of it like Shadow_of_Kirby is saying we don't even play the dam game... wth does that make it in the first place, I do not know...

I have an electronic drum kit that cost me a hell of a lot more than $50.

This isn't what I call shovelware

[QUOTE="StealthSting"][QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]

Er, no. It's being made by Nintendo Entertainment Analysis and Development. Not some third party cash in developer.

Same team who are making Wii Sports Resort.

Tony-Harrison

Just because it is being done by Nintendo it shouldn't have to get a free pass from the labeled shovelware prospect. From what we've seen of it like Shadow_of_Kirby is saying we don't even play the dam game... wth does that make it in the first place, I do not know...

I have an electronic drum kit that cost me a hell of a lot more than $50.

This isn't what I call shovelware

It's what i call the depth of a fisher price music toy.

This isin't a place for sheep to go spin out whatever agenda or properganda you have. This threads purpose was to establish the diffrence between shovelware and a bad game, thats it!

[QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"][QUOTE="StealthSting"][QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]

Er, no. It's being made by Nintendo Entertainment Analysis and Development. Not some third party cash in developer.

Same team who are making Wii Sports Resort.

insanejedi

Just because it is being done by Nintendo it shouldn't have to get a free pass from the labeled shovelware prospect. From what we've seen of it like Shadow_of_Kirby is saying we don't even play the dam game... wth does that make it in the first place, I do not know...

I have an electronic drum kit that cost me a hell of a lot more than $50.

This isn't what I call shovelware

It's what i call the depth of a fisher price music toy.

This isin't a place for sheep to go spin out whatever agenda or properganda you have. This threads purpose was to establish the diffrence between shovelware and a bad game, thats it!

Fanboys resorting back to calling Nintendo products Fisher Price Toys - Priceless. :P

It's too bad the Master Chief is an Action Figure. :lol:

[QUOTE="insanejedi"][QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"][QUOTE="StealthSting"][QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]

Er, no. It's being made by Nintendo Entertainment Analysis and Development. Not some third party cash in developer.

Same team who are making Wii Sports Resort.

Tony-Harrison

Just because it is being done by Nintendo it shouldn't have to get a free pass from the labeled shovelware prospect. From what we've seen of it like Shadow_of_Kirby is saying we don't even play the dam game... wth does that make it in the first place, I do not know...

I have an electronic drum kit that cost me a hell of a lot more than $50.

This isn't what I call shovelware

It's what i call the depth of a fisher price music toy.

This isin't a place for sheep to go spin out whatever agenda or properganda you have. This threads purpose was to establish the diffrence between shovelware and a bad game, thats it!

Fanboys resorting back to calling Nintendo products Fisher Price Toys - Priceless. :P

It's too bad the Master Chief is an Action Figure. :lol:

Whoa, they did that?

If the Master Chief didn't die in Halo 3, he sure is dead now.

[QUOTE="insanejedi"][QUOTE="BubbyJello"][QUOTE="CruxisXIII"]

IGN gave dog island a 7. IGN gave hour of victory a 5.7. Gamespot gave hour of victory a 2.

Dog Island >>> Hour of victory

BubbyJello

Shovelware can be better then a bad game.

Point being? I can't show you a good bad game because that doesn't exist. A bad game is a bad game and thats that. I'm just stating the diffrence between the two, not which one is better and which one is worse. Would i play Dog Island over Hour of Victory? Probebly yes! I'd stab my eyeballs out before playing Hour of Victory.

I know.

My post wasn't even directed at you. But I guess my point is that some bad games are better then shovelware, and vice-versa.

A point worth noting is that some shovelware are bad games.

[QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]It's too bad the Master Chief is an Action Figure. :lol:Shadow_of_Kirby

If the Master Chief didn't die in Halo 3, he sure is dead now.

Now that I have said that he's an Action Figure the popularity of Halo is dead for sure. *snarl*

Bungie wouldn't DARE make another Halo after a remark as powerful as that surfaces on an internet forum. *snarl*

I have an electronic drum kit that cost me a hell of a lot more than $50.

This isn't what I call shovelware

Tony-Harrison

Regardless, I don't really care if a game is shovelware or not or a bad game... I'm not forced to buy them. Out of all the mediums, this is definitely the most recurring one where the consumers(in other words hardcore gamers) cry about things they don't enjoy or will never try or buy in the first place.

E3 show aside, that video wasn't all that bad. I wonder if the responce is good... from the video it seemed to be alright.