The Dragon Age World /Storyline Lame, Cliche or Good?

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#1 Shielder7
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Ok so Dragon Age 1 & 2 as a whole was a disappointment for me. The graphics were bad as well the gameplay and for me the story and world wern't that great either. Believe it or not they hired profesional writers to make this world and are resposible for the Dragon Age books, but the books arn't exactly flying off the shelves and the few people I've come across that have bought them say they're a bit out there and not that good. IMO I think they need to hire some new writers and get rid of some of the old ones to say the least.

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#2 Filthybastrd
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I consider them uninspired.

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#4 Phoenix534
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I liked Origins' story for what it was, but it was an incredibly cliche, generic fantasy story. But that's generic stories are kind of Bioware's thing.

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#5 brickdoctor
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All of the above. The overall story is cliche, but the main characters are good, and it's got some lame moments and lame voice acting. Overall great game though.

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#6 cain006
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It's very cliche, but still enjoyable.

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#7 drinkerofjuice
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Lame AND cliche. Don't see how it can still be good after that.
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#8 padaporra
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The first one is very generic, the second one is great.

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#9 BigBoss154
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Origins' was cliche, but it was very well written.

Dragon Age 2 was just bad.

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#11 Bigboi500
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Generic version of Lord of the Rings.

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#12 Mythomniac
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Origins' was cliche, but it was very well written.

Dragon Age 2 was just bad.

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I sorely agree, Origins took a very very generic/cliched plot and wrote it expertly. DA2 was just something else...

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Origins was very predictable high fantasy without much original flair behind it, however the focus elsewhere than on the 'evil growing horde' played to the writers and game worlds strengths.

DA2 on the other hand attempted a more original premises, only it is so terribly written and inconsistent at times it's unbelievable.

Also the books are between ok and eh. I've skimmed through a couple at the recommendation of a friend who's a fan, and they're nothing impressive, pretty shlock fantasy - the romance is hilarious in it, but they lend themselves better to stronger characterization and exploring the world than the games do. Things like the stronger fleshing out of Loghains character was geuinely interesting.

It's just nothing remarkable really, aside from their characters who genuinely do stand out.

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#14 Shielder7
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[QUOTE="BigBoss154"]

Origins' was cliche, but it was very well written.

Dragon Age 2 was just bad.

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I sorely agree, Origins took a very very generic/cliched plot and wrote it expertly.

Take out that last part and I might agree with you I didn't find the writing in DAO it be good at all.

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I like the Dragon Age story. It is really interesting. Maybe a little cliche' but not anywhere near the extent of some other games.

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I like Dragon Age's world, its a bit generic, but it still has its own cool and original ideas.

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[QUOTE="BigBoss154"]

Origins' was cliche, but it was very well written.

Dragon Age 2 was just bad.

Mythomniac

I sorely agree, Origins took a very very generic/cliched plot and wrote it expertly. DA2 was just something else...

Actually DAO's writing is quite poor as a whole...there are some great parts, but the main plot is terrible. It lacks all sorts of focus because the mid game completely gets off the main plot other than a plot coupon. Its laughable to say DAII lacks focus when DAO clearly lacks focus when it comes to plot. Its also GROSSLY cliched....while Jade Empire and the Mass Effect games have cliches...the cliched parts come together in a more original sum. In DAO, the main story itself is a rip off of Lord of the Rings and Song of Ice and Fire, mixing a bit of the Witcher in. And people fail to mention the characters when they talk about DAO cliches...basically the entire cast is a rip off of other Bioware characters with a spin to make it look like they aren't complete clones. Hard to not see Carth in Alistair. Really DAII is a far better written game.....and a far more original one with better characters and a better companion system.

Origins was very predictable high fantasy without much original flair behind it, however the focus elsewhere than on the 'evil growing horde' played to the writers and game worlds strengths.

DA2 on the other hand attempted a more original premises, only it is so terribly written and inconsistent at times it's unbelievable.

Also the books are between ok and eh. I've skimmed through a couple at the recommendation of a friend who's a fan, and they're nothing impressive, pretty shlock fantasy - the romance is hilarious in it, but they lend themselves better to stronger characterization and exploring the world than the games do. Things like the stronger fleshing out of Loghains character was geuinely interesting.

It's just nothing remarkable really, aside from their characters who genuinely do stand out.

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Other than having the inconsistancies most RPGs have, DAII is actually well written. The sarcastic option may be off in many scenes (however great in others) and Cullen is terrible at recognizing mages, but the story itself and the dialogue for the most part (the red and blue options) were well written. ALL RPGs have inconsistancies, hell, in DAO, they don't recognize apostate mages either. I can waltz Morrigan right into the Mage Tower with very little reaction. In TW2, you have Dethmold not even recognizing that I have the armor in question, and then Loredo...why would he seek my help to help the town and then send thugs to kill me because I screwed him over in a simple fight bet? Thats illogical. And why would a female character ever deal with the Legion in Falloout New Vegas?
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#18 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="Mythomniac"]

[QUOTE="BigBoss154"]

Origins' was cliche, but it was very well written.

Dragon Age 2 was just bad.

Shielder7

I sorely agree, Origins took a very very generic/cliched plot and wrote it expertly.

Take out that last part and I might agree with you I didn't find the writing in DAO it be good at all.

agreed...and I am a huge Bioware fan....DAO has got to be their worst story other than Neverwinter Nights.
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#19 redstormrisen
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Its hard to find a Fantasy setting I don't have some knowlege of, and the setting is the only redeeming feature of Dragon Age.

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Predictable nonsense.
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It's not bad but it's nothing special either.
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#22 Shielder7
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[QUOTE="Shielder7"]

[QUOTE="Mythomniac"]

I sorely agree, Origins took a very very generic/cliched plot and wrote it expertly.texasgoldrush

Take out that last part and I might agree with you I didn't find the writing in DAO it be good at all.

agreed...and I am a huge Bioware fan....DAO has got to be their worst story other than Neverwinter Nights.

Yeah, but Neverwinter Nights had multiplayer and the expansion packs had ok storys. Dragon Age has Cliches toped off with lameness

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It's unoriginal for the most part, but still very enjoyable. I'm a fan of it, myself.

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#24 redstormrisen
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Shielder7"] Take out that last part and I might agree with you I didn't find the writing in DAO it be good at all.

Shielder7

agreed...and I am a huge Bioware fan....DAO has got to be their worst story other than Neverwinter Nights.

Yeah, but Neverwinter Nights had multiplayer and the expansion packs had ok storys. Dragon Age has Cliches toped off with lameness

Dragon Age is currently the only popular fantasy setting which holds spellcasters as something to be feared and controlled over putting them in charge. Neverwinter is forgotten realms, a Dungeon and Dragons setting. Dragon Age has *by far* more distinguishing features than Forgotten Realms, with a tiny fraction of the content.
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#25 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="Shielder7"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] agreed...and I am a huge Bioware fan....DAO has got to be their worst story other than Neverwinter Nights.redstormrisen

Yeah, but Neverwinter Nights had multiplayer and the expansion packs had ok storys. Dragon Age has Cliches toped off with lameness

Dragon Age is currently the only popular fantasy setting which holds spellcasters as something to be feared and controlled over putting them in charge. Neverwinter is forgotten realms, a Dungeon and Dragons setting. Dragon Age has *by far* more distinguishing features than Forgotten Realms, with a tiny fraction of the content.

Wrong, The Witcher does it as well. See the ending of The Witcher 2.....
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#26 Vaasman
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It's cliche sure, but they use a ton of depth in evolving the backstory and there's plenty of good voice acting and production value. It's kind of like half-life 2 in a vague way. Good storytelling selling an otherwise weak story.

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#27 i3DS
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Incredibly cheesy and cliche. If you want a good story go read A Song of Ice and Fire.

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#28 xOMGITSJASONx
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I liked the first game. I thought it was good.

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#29 LoG-Sacrament
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i like how magic is a double edged sword rather than a real gift. how it effects more than just the mage plays well with the more standard "youre born with it" origin too, since other people have a stake in the mage's magic use.
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#30 BigDaddyPOLO
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I just don't like fantasy completely so I'm kind of biased but I didn't think DAO's story was much better or worse than other fantasy games this gen.

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#31 CushVA
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On the surface the first is cliche, but once you go into the backstory there is more to it (this means reading all the codex stuff). The premise of the second is interesting and there were some good deas there, it's just that everything was poorly implemented

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On the surface the first is cliche, but once you go into the backstory there is more to it (this means reading all the codex stuff). The premise of the second is interesting and there were some good deas there, it's just that everything was poorly implemented

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or everything was implimented in a more unique way that gamers may not fully grasp. Are there some flaws in DAII's story? Yes, however the execution is not as bad as people think, its just that they are more familiar with more traditional told stories. Even if DAO has some unliched parts, it still made for a cliched sum...and really, the other plot threads are terribly interwoven into the plot of DAO.
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#33 Shielder7
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[QUOTE="Shielder7"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] agreed...and I am a huge Bioware fan....DAO has got to be their worst story other than Neverwinter Nights.redstormrisen

Yeah, but Neverwinter Nights had multiplayer and the expansion packs had ok storys. Dragon Age has Cliches toped off with lameness

Dragon Age is currently the only popular fantasy setting which holds spellcasters as something to be feared and controlled over putting them in charge. Neverwinter is forgotten realms, a Dungeon and Dragons setting. Dragon Age has *by far* more distinguishing features than Forgotten Realms, with a tiny fraction of the content.

Just about every fantasy setting spellcasters ae something to be feared and Dragon Age is no where near Forgotten Realms content or distinguishing features. In fact Dragon Age has hardly any distinguishing features they just rip off Tolkien, Forgotten Realms and a buch of other settings.

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#34 jethrovegas
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It's drivel of the worst order.

Alternately dull, formlessly similar to other works, and mind numbingly protracted, it is a refuse heap of borrowed ideas expressed poorly.

Had I the option, I would purge utterly the very experience of Dragon Age from my memory, and no doubt gain by that measure a fresh appreciation for flowers, and walks along the river-side, as well as any number of waylaid brain cells lost in such portion as to shame huffing gasoline.

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#35 Shielder7
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It's drivel of the worst order.

Alternately dull, formlessly similar to other works, and mind numbingly protracted, it is a refuse heap of borrowed ideas expressed poorly.

Had I the option, I would purge utterly the very experience of Dragon Age from my memory, and no doubt gain by that measure a fresh appreciation for flowers, and walks along the river-side, as well as any number of waylaid brain cells lost in such portion as to shame huffing gasoline.

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This IMO it stole Ideas from just about every Franchise, but either. A. Stole the worst ideas and elements. B. Implemented them in the worst way possible.
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Origins is poorly written generic tripe. I didn't play the sequel since I know better, but I imagine it's the same, if not worse going off of the demo.

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I would not say It badly written...Just cliche.
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[QUOTE="redstormrisen"][QUOTE="Shielder7"] Yeah, but Neverwinter Nights had multiplayer and the expansion packs had ok storys. Dragon Age has Cliches toped off with lameness

Shielder7

Dragon Age is currently the only popular fantasy setting which holds spellcasters as something to be feared and controlled over putting them in charge. Neverwinter is forgotten realms, a Dungeon and Dragons setting. Dragon Age has *by far* more distinguishing features than Forgotten Realms, with a tiny fraction of the content.

Just about every fantasy setting spellcasters ae something to be feared and Dragon Age is no where near Forgotten Realms content or distinguishing features. In fact Dragon Age has hardly any distinguishing features they just rip off Tolkien, Forgotten Realms and a buch of other settings.

Dragon age was made as a spiritual successor of Bulder's Gate....So....no surprise.
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[QUOTE="CushVA"]

On the surface the first is cliche, but once you go into the backstory there is more to it (this means reading all the codex stuff). The premise of the second is interesting and there were some good deas there, it's just that everything was poorly implemented

texasgoldrush
or everything was implimented in a more unique way that gamers may not fully grasp. Are there some flaws in DAII's story? Yes, however the execution is not as bad as people think, its just that they are more familiar with more traditional told stories. Even if DAO has some unliched parts, it still made for a cliched sum...and really, the other plot threads are terribly interwoven into the plot of DAO.

DA2 problemwas it's assembly. It as clearly not fully planned out and rushed. It story though is much batter than DA:O. DA:O is cliche but it still is well written and is the bioware game with the best character role playing elements. Each story arc has multiple ways to deal with the events in had....the thing DA2 lacked in mass.
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It's not that it's bad, but it certainly isn't great either. I vastly prefer Mass Effect and the Witcher.

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Better than most games.

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Dragon Age Origins's story and setting was textbook generic fantasy, minus any sort of unique spin that would have made the setting compelling. Sure, there was a lot of detailed lore to click through, but none of it was interesting - it was all stuff I'd heard a hundred times before in better stories/settings (silly names and ancient battles ahoy!). I didn't see the point in Bioware giving Ferelden such an expansive history, when Ferelden itself was extraordinarily difficult to care about. As for Dragon Age 2...I don't know, I never played it. Origins was dull enough for me to permanently abandon the franchise.
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Bioware TELLS stories very well and ultimately the presentation is what really matters. The actual plots are extremely generic and cliche (especially Dragon Age) and in the end, very mediocre (well except for KOTOR).

Avatar isn't the highest grossing movie of all time 'cos of it's story. It's because it had a great director that presented that story very well.

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#43 Shielder7
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Bioware TELLS stories very well and ultimately the presentation is what really matters. The actual plots are extremely generic and cliche (especially Dragon Age) and in the end, very mediocre (well except for KOTOR).

Avatar isn't the highest grossing movie of all time 'cos of it's story. It's because it had a great director that presented that story very well.

Darth_Kane

Advatar did well because of the eye candy period. The story wasn't presented well nor was it the directors finest work far from it. Without the Graphical and 3D effects Advatar is nothing more than a "Dances with Wolves" Rip-Off with Blue Aliens.

Advatar truly is the most overrated movie of the decade.

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#44 psn8214
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Advatar did well because of the eye candy period.

Shielder7

This is so wrong. To bill Avatar as pure "eye-candy" is an insult to the amount of work they put in formulating and designing such a cohesive and impressive world/flora/fauna.

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#45 Shielder7
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[QUOTE="Shielder7"]

Advatar did well because of the eye candy period.

psn8214

This is so wrong. To bill Avatar as pure "eye-candy" is an insult to the amount of work they put in formulating and designing such a cohesive and impressive world/flora/fauna.

Avatar it's self is an insult to every "Good" movie ever made. Ilke I said Advatar is nothing more than a "Dances with Wolves" Rip-Off with stupid Blue Aliens, except instead of an intresting script, drama and compelling story they traded it in for special effects and 3D. Calling Advatar a good movie is like calling Starwars Episode 2 a good movie.
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The world they've established with Dragon Age is interesting enough, but the story of Origins is just typical high-fantasy. Dragon Age 2's story takes a different approach by throwing cliche out the window, and it ended up much better than Origins.
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Avatar it's self is an insult to every "Good" movie ever made. Ilke I said Advatar is nothing more than a "Dances with Wolves" Rip-Off with stupid Blue Aliens, except instead of an intresting script, drama and compelling story they traded it in for special effects and 3D. Calling Advatar a good movie is like calling Starwars Episode 2 a good movie.Shielder7

You keep telling yourself that bud.

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[QUOTE="Shielder7"] Avatar it's self is an insult to every "Good" movie ever made. Ilke I said Advatar is nothing more than a "Dances with Wolves" Rip-Off with stupid Blue Aliens, except instead of an intresting script, drama and compelling story they traded it in for special effects and 3D. Calling Advatar a good movie is like calling Starwars Episode 2 a good movie.psn8214

You keep telling yourself that bud.

Hey, whether Avatar was a good movie or not is an opinion. You opinion is not a fact and nether is his. If he doesn't like Avatar...Live with it. And Shielder, if other people like avatar....live with it.
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

Origins was very predictable high fantasy without much original flair behind it, however the focus elsewhere than on the 'evil growing horde' played to the writers and game worlds strengths.

DA2 on the other hand attempted a more original premises, only it is so terribly written and inconsistent at times it's unbelievable.

Also the books are between ok and eh. I've skimmed through a couple at the recommendation of a friend who's a fan, and they're nothing impressive, pretty shlock fantasy - the romance is hilarious in it, but they lend themselves better to stronger characterization and exploring the world than the games do. Things like the stronger fleshing out of Loghains character was geuinely interesting.

It's just nothing remarkable really, aside from their characters who genuinely do stand out.

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Other than having the inconsistancies most RPGs have, DAII is actually well written. The sarcastic option may be off in many scenes (however great in others) and Cullen is terrible at recognizing mages, but the story itself and the dialogue for the most part (the red and blue options) were well written. ALL RPGs have inconsistancies, hell, in DAO, they don't recognize apostate mages either. I can waltz Morrigan right into the Mage Tower with very little reaction. In TW2, you have Dethmold not even recognizing that I have the armor in question, and then Loredo...why would he seek my help to help the town and then send thugs to kill me because I screwed him over in a simple fight bet? Thats illogical. And why would a female character ever deal with the Legion in Falloout New Vegas?

It's a great example of a complete and utter mixed bag of writing, from horrendous to surprisingly strong and great in a variety of ways, which really reflects on the misfires and complete misdirection of the game itself.

Problem is those faults in DA2 aren't quibbles that appear, they become glaring in their quantity, and it miss steps at the start with a horrible opening (post inventive 'inconsistent storytellers technique'), and hits and misses throughout the game - the second act being the strongest by far.

It's not just that one problem class conflicting with character and plot there's a sum of them, and that really boils down to the games entire development; I'm surprised they still managed to pull off a strong supporting cast in light of it all.

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World is great, culture is rich and all, but story needs a LOT of work.