The E3 hype on SW doesn't make sense - let me enlighten you

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#1 HoldThePhone
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Why Heavy Rain?

It isn't going to sell well, obviously -- and it won't have any noticeable impact on the current system wars. If you want to hype it because it looks cool, then go ahead, but you really should do that in the PS3 forums. System Wars is about hyping games that will have a positive impact on a console's sale standings. So yes, you should hype games that look good and have the potenital to sell well because of it, but Heavy Rain doesn't have strong indications of either at the moment, given the mixed feelings from the recent gameplay videos and the fact that its audience is very niche.

Why Alan Wake?

Same as above. Heavy Rain isn't going to win Sony E3, no matter how awesome it may turn out to be. Why would Alan Wake win it for MS? The people on SW may be very interested in these two games, but my god -- if these are the two "heavy hitters" of 2009, then I feel sooo bad for all the gamers out there in the real world.

MGS4 for 360, Why?

This one I shouldn't even have to explain. MGS4 has been out for a year, it's sold like over 4 million copies (correct?), which is about right considering the history of its previous titles sooooooo, how exactly does this game coming to another platform matter to Microsoft at all? MGS4 came out, pushed PS3s, and did it's job.

Remember BioShock? It was awesome, sold well for 360 -- one year later, announced for PS3 (and people called ownage lol) -- sells like utter trash. BioShock going to PS3 didn't matter, the only reason people are hyping an MGS4 360 announcemt so badly is because they somehow feel like it makes their system superior and that they are owning fanboys.

Final Fantasy XIII for 360 was a huge annoucement, and those types of reveals are the ones that win E3s. Not year old games that come to a system with a minimal fan base.

These are just a few of the logical flaws I've noticed in SW. Please don't tell me how you care about the games and not the sales. So does everybody, but arguments over game quality never end, and this war has to before the next one begins.

I'll end my post with some advice to the 3 factions.

Cows:

Wake up. Gran Turismo 5 > Heavy Rain. I know a lot of gamers on here aren't into cars, but this is System Wars, and GT is perhaps the biggest franchise Sony has right now. Why you would hype an E3 showing of a niche game of questionably quality over a massive GT5 reveal is beyond my understanding.

Lemmings:

Stop with Alan Wake, stop with Killer Instict, stop with the games that have not, and will never win an E3. Perhaps you should be getting ready for some exciting new hardware for the 360? Games like Halo ODST and ME 2 are nice to have in the bag, but think bigger. Forza 3 is a big one IMO.

Sheep:

You already know Nintendo has the casual market in a chokehold, especially because you already know Wii Motion Plus is coming out with all sorts of new software. So what do you do? Hype the possibility of a huge core title to draw in more gamers, perhaps a Zelda. It doesn't really matter, Nintendo may not win the show, but they'll definately win the war.

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#2 PSdual_wielder
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I appreciate the effort you put in to make this, but heres one thing...

You put it in the wrong direction. Don't tell people what to do based on your own agenda, what you think does not make you more superior to all the posters here.

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#3 HoldThePhone
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I appreciate the effort you put in to make this, but heres one thing...

You put it in the wrong direction. Don't tell people what to do based on your own agenda, what you think does not make you more superior to all the posters here.

PSdual_wielder
My apologies. I accept that those who think Heavy Rain is the ace in the hole over GT5 are at the same level as me. I'm just giving my side in a fashion that draws attention
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#4 Episode_Eve
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[QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

I appreciate the effort you put in to make this, but heres one thing...

You put it in the wrong direction. Don't tell people what to do based on your own agenda, what you think does not make you more superior to all the posters here.

HoldThePhone
My apologies. I accept that those who think Heavy Rain is the ace in the hole over GT5 are at the same level as me. I'm just giving my side in a fashion that draws attention

I can dig that. Though I think it will be a culmination of things that will "win" E3 for either company. Though GT5 IS a big deal.
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#5 jakarai
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Sony always has surprises can't wait to see what they will announce. I know it will be another awesome first party game because it seems they are straying away from really hyping third party games.
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#6 lantus
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Your irrational logic cracks me up; You can be excited for this game, but it's not going to sell, so there's no point. You need to come back to reality man.

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#7 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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Wow...that made no sense. I can only be excited for games that will sell well not games that i think will be good? FYI SW isnt just about sells

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#8 HoldThePhone
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Wow...that made no sense. I can only be excited for games that will sell well not games that i think will be good? FYI SW isnt just about sells

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"Please don't tell me how you care about the games and not the sales. So does everybody, but arguments over game quality never end, and this war has to before the next one begins." "So yes, you should hype games that look good and have the potenital to sell well because of it" read my post please. I, like everyone else, is a gamer that wants to play fun games. But the topic of this forum is System Wars, so to argue about "fun" gets us nowhere. im sooooo irrational, i know.
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#9 Cherokee_Jack
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I don't think anyone is going to stop hyping their biggest games just because you told them it isn't a good idea.
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#10 TheGrat1
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+1 Good thread. I actually think the cows are hyping possible announcements like GT5 or a new Twisted Metal to "win" E3 for them instead of games like Heavy Rain. They see Heavy Rain as supplmentary. And to people who are confused, he is'nt saying that you should'nt hype games that wont sell. He's saying don't hype non-megatons to steal the show.
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[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Wow...that made no sense. I can only be excited for games that will sell well not games that i think will be good? FYI SW isnt just about sells

"Please don't tell me how you care about the games and not the sales. So does everybody, but arguments over game quality never end, and this war has to before the next one begins." "So yes, you should hype games that look good and have the potenital to sell well because of it" read my post please. I, like everyone else, is a gamer that wants to play fun games. But the topic of this forum is System Wars, so to argue about "fun" gets us nowhere. im sooooo irrational, i know.

who in the world cares about sales apart from the people that makes the games? for the people out side of the industry the most important thing is fun not sales. why would you even want to talk about sales? their so borring. sales are not the only thing that matters in SW. there are much more game X scored higher than game Y threads compared to game X sold more than game Y threads.
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#12 Nike_Air
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This thread makes no sense whatsoever. God of War III and Uncharted 2are front and center this year (or early next) for the PS3.Games like HR and MAG are well below the hype of thosetwo. Of course we know GT5 is a big seller and a quality franchise , but its Gran Turismo at the end of the day ..... there isn't much to discuss right now. The first footage of some actual Heavy Rainscenes just released and people are discussing it. Some are liking it , some are hating it , some are worried.

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Um,since when has System Wars been a board only for high sales?...
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#14 HoldThePhone
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Um,since when has System Wars been a board only for high sales?...AtomicBaconBits
Then no one can win.

Sorry, have someone close this topic, I didn't mean to make something so off subject. I simply saw System Wars as something like talking about a new baseball season. People who share a common interest in baseball talk about what team they are rooting for and what is going to make them win games and eventually the world series.

Arguing over what players you like on a personal level seems like one big, uninteresting waste of time.

It's clear everyone thinks that I don't like baseball, because I'm simply predicting who's going to score runs based off of facts.

If I wanted to talk about my personal favorite players and team, then I'm sure there is a place dedicated for that, yet it seems System Wars is just a place where people say, "haha we win because I like this game." There were some people on here that I thought felt the same way, but it's looking like I lose this time.

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#15 Indie_Hitman
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umm no. As far I could tell the competitions between highest numbers of the AAAE +. Lemmings have only recently been talking sales because PS3s rapidly catching 360 with AAAEs and they havnt much to hype right now as far as exclusives are concerned.
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#16 whatisazerg
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I stopped reading at "Heavy Rain.... it's not gonna sell well...."

Yeah because I get hyped about potential sales.... LOL.... thx for the enlightenment :roll:

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#17 porzdeadline
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[QUOTE="AtomicBaconBits"]Um,since when has System Wars been a board only for high sales?...HoldThePhone

Then no one can win.

Sorry, have someone close this topic, I didn't mean to make something so off subject. I simply saw System Wars as something like talking about a new baseball season. People who share a common interest in baseball talk about what team they are rooting for and what is going to make them win games and eventually the world series.

Arguing over what players you like on a personal level seems like one big, uninteresting waste of time.

It's clear everyone thinks that I don't like baseball, because I'm simply predicting who's going to score runs based off of facts.

If I wanted to talk about my personal favorite players and team, then I'm sure there is a place dedicated for that, yet it seems System Wars is just a place where people say, "haha we win because I like this game." There were some people on here that I thought felt the same way, but it's looking like I lose this time.

to be honest i thought you were one of the first guys to make sense in this forum ;).... sometimes i wonder what world these people live in

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[QUOTE="AtomicBaconBits"]Um,since when has System Wars been a board only for high sales?...HoldThePhone

Then no one can win.

Sorry, have someone close this topic, I didn't mean to make something so off subject. I simply saw System Wars as something like talking about a new baseball season. People who share a common interest in baseball talk about what team they are rooting for and what is going to make them win games and eventually the world series.

Arguing over what players you like on a personal level seems like one big, uninteresting waste of time.

It's clear everyone thinks that I don't like baseball, because I'm simply predicting who's going to score runs based off of facts.

If I wanted to talk about my personal favorite players and team, then I'm sure there is a place dedicated for that, yet it seems System Wars is just a place where people say, "haha we win because I like this game." There were some people on here that I thought felt the same way, but it's looking like I lose this time.

As a baseball (and fantasy baseball) fan, I know that often times is a crapshoot in figuring out which players and which teams will success from years to year, month to month or week to week. Players get injured (games get delayed), players and teams go thought slumps (releasing bad games), and random players have great days or streaks (small developers release great gems). When it's all said and done, the teams (developer and corporations) with the most money, usually do the best, though over time they run down and need changes.

Sorry to take that analgy so far, but it's a good one HoldThePhone. That being said, it's really hard to predict something that could have a lot or surprises. I pretty much agree on the games you listed, though.