the end of Bluray

Sorry you failed big time. But keep posting. :lol: GDP Per Capita is nothing more than GDP divided by population and not the average income. You fail so hard, :lol:

Unholy_Smite

The Gross Domestic Product of a country is essentially its economic output. GDP per person is essentially the best way to measure individual wealth and therefore average income. You must be experiencing an inordinate amount of bliss.

:lol:

Keep posting loonie, nobody tell him that GDP per capita is not the average income of a nation. :lol: Try that at any left wing site and get laughed at.

Unholy_Smite

Did you actually bother to comprehend what I wrote? Do you somehow believe that if you keep posting you are correct it will make it true? You seem to place far too much importance on being 'right' when time and again I have proven you incorrect.

[QUOTE="Unholy_Smite"]

:lol:

Keep posting loonie, nobody tell him that GDP per capita is not the average income of a nation. :lol: Try that at any left wing site and get laughed at.

Loonie

Did you actually bother to comprehend what I wrote? Do you somehow believe that if you keep posting you are correct it will make it true? You seem to place far too much importance on being 'right' when time and again I have proven you incorrect.

You have proven nothing. I have already stated what GDP Per Capita is, I have proven you wrong but you keep beating a dead horse. Keep saying it is the average income of a nation when it's not. :lol: If anything it's on average how much people are spending. :lol:

You have proven nothing. I have already stated what GDP Per Capita is, I have proven you wrong but you keep beating a dead horse. Keep saying it is the average income of a nation when it's not. :lol: If anything it's on average how much people are spending. :lol:

Unholy_Smite

Wrong. GDP is not a measure of how much people spend. It measures the goods and services produced or provided. It also takes into account government spending and trade balance. In short it measures a countries wealth.

So if GDP = countries wealth

then

GDP per capita must = average persons wealth

See?

Dude, read your post. You just proved yourself wrong. Whatever, I am tired of owning you. GDP Per Capita is not average income. Moving on, believe what you want even though it is wrong. I am done here. This is a game forum not a loonie getting owned forum. :lol:

Unholy_Smite

I don't think its me getting owned ;)

[QUOTE="kcpp2b"]THIS......IS SYSTEMWARS!!!Apathetic-Irony

And Unholy_Smite is so obnoxious that not only do I question whether or not he should be allowed to use the internet on his own, but he is actually, quite literally, destroying this thread with the lack of quality in his posts.

"LMAO :lol::lol::lol: LOL SELF OWNAGE :lol::lol::lol:" pretty much sums up all of his posts. Please refrain from trying to annoy people and laugh in their face, which is apparently hard for you. Type in a clean format, like you would for a school paper, and I'm sure this "debate" would actually lead somewhere productive. At this rate you'll just annoy people into them leaving, and I actually want to see where this is going.

No matter how you cut it, this is a blow for Blu-ray (though the size of it is what is being debated, I presume). It doesn't matter to me, as I own neither Blu-Ray nor HD-DVD products, and it's already apparent that Blu-Ray has only hurt the PS3 thus far.

Nice post dude :D

:roll:

Can't beat me by yourself so you quote a gigantic flame? That works. :roll: You lost, just move on dude. :roll:

:roll:

Can't beat me by yourself so you quote a gigantic flame? That works. :roll: You lost, just move on dude. :roll:

Unholy_Smite

It wasn't a flame, it was a plee for quality. You seem to just try and constantly insult people and try to make them angry, and it actually makes it hard to read any of your posts, let alone take them seriously. Seriously, reread just this page and look at how many times you said he was owned, used the :lol: smiley face, and blatantly ignored some of his comments.

Hmmm, this is still going on? Well someone here needs to lay off the sugar.

Oh, and for the past 6 pages I haven't seen a butchery of ignoranceon China's economic impact,China's government poilcies, and plain economic ignorance since I read some post by this Nasim guy on N4G. Touche folks.

I haven't insulted anybody here, and I was right. I stated the truth about GDP PEr Capita and he never once proved it was wrong and chose to flame me, beat a dead horse. GDP Per Capita is NOT average income, how is that so hard to understand? I even remember claiming it was average income at a site called nationstates and getting laughed at for it by people who knew it wasn't. It's NOT average income and loonie never proved it was. CLOSED!Unholy_Smite

I never claimed it was average income, i claimed it was average wealth, which is going to be the best indicator of average income we are going to get.

[QUOTE="Unholy_Smite"]I haven't insulted anybody here, and I was right. I stated the truth about GDP PEr Capita and he never once proved it was wrong and chose to flame me, beat a dead horse. GDP Per Capita is NOT average income, how is that so hard to understand? I even remember claiming it was average income at a site called nationstates and getting laughed at for it by people who knew it wasn't. It's NOT average income and loonie never proved it was. CLOSED!Loonie

I never claimed it was average income, i claimed it was average wealth, which is going to be the best measure of average income we are going to get.

Still owning yourself? Alright.

I asked you for average income of china, ok? You said I already gave it to you, got it? What I gave you is GDP Per Capita which is not Average income, right on? You went around and kept posting saying it was, on target? In the above post you say it's not, on pace?

So.....I think it's clear what is going on here.

ok, i'll explain why this thread should already end then:

1 - In China, ppl hardly buy any original entertainment product, movies, games, etc, are 95% if not even more "piratized". even if it's a country with a population of 1.3 billion ppl, with a great and steady economic growth, the great majority is still too poor, and even the ones that are not buys pirated material since it already became a cultural issue. China will not mean that much to this format war, i bet it never did. Not more than countries like Argentina, Brazil, etc.

2 - Blu-ray still has the most and best movies, and still is winning HD-DVD by 2:1 every month. In fact, BD came later and is already winning the format war, something that could recall the turn the Wii made over the 360. It may still be early to define a winner, but it'll take a lot more than China to change the situation.

System wars as economic wars! Wait...

GDP is the total market value of all final goods and services produced in a country in a given year, equal to total consumer, investment and government spending, plus the value of exports, minus the value of imports.

GDP is a way to help measure average wealth, but it is not a directindicator of average wealth, and definetly not income.

[QUOTE="Unholy_Smite"]I haven't insulted anybody here, and I was right. I stated the truth about GDP PEr Capita and he never once proved it was wrong and chose to flame me, beat a dead horse. GDP Per Capita is NOT average income, how is that so hard to understand? I even remember claiming it was average income at a site called nationstates and getting laughed at for it by people who knew it wasn't. It's NOT average income and loonie never proved it was. CLOSED!Loonie

I never claimed it was average income, i claimed it was average wealth, which is going to be the best indicator of average income we are going to get.

Oh and the US government releases reports on average income national and by state.

lol who in china can afford an HD-DVD player and an HD-TV.

System wars as economic wars! Wait...

GDP is the total market value of all final goods and services produced in a country in a given year, equal to total consumer, investment and government spending, plus the value of exports, minus the value of imports.

GDP is a way to help measure average wealth, but it is not a directindicator of average wealth, and definetly not income.

maabus99

Thats what I said, it's not average income. Loonie first said it was and now says it's not? I know what GDP is, but per capita is not average income which Is what I asked for.

[QUOTE="Loonie"]

[QUOTE="Unholy_Smite"]I haven't insulted anybody here, and I was right. I stated the truth about GDP PEr Capita and he never once proved it was wrong and chose to flame me, beat a dead horse. GDP Per Capita is NOT average income, how is that so hard to understand? I even remember claiming it was average income at a site called nationstates and getting laughed at for it by people who knew it wasn't. It's NOT average income and loonie never proved it was. CLOSED!Unholy_Smite

I never claimed it was average income, i claimed it was average wealth, which is going to be the best indicator of average income we are going to get.

Oh and the US government releases reports on average income national and by state.

Yes but unless you can go and find China's then the GDP per capita is the best indicator of individual wealth we are going to get.

You were the one originally using their GDP per capita to prove they were poor.

ok, i'll explain why this thread should already end then:

1 - In China, ppl hardly buy any original entertainment product, movies, games, etc, are 95% if not even more "piratized". even if it's a country with a population of 1.3 billion ppl, with a great and steady economic growth, the great majority is still too poor, and even the ones that are not buys pirated material since it already became a cultural issue. China will not mean that much to this format war, i bet it never did. Not more than countries like Argentina, Brazil, etc.

2 - Blu-ray still has the most and best movies, and still is winning HD-DVD by 2:1 every month. In fact, BD came later and is already winning the format war, something that could recall the turn the Wii made over the 360. It may still be early to define a winner, but it'll take a lot more than China to change the situation.

SambaLele

How about both are losing to DVD? They dropped from 3% of all movie sales to 1% (HD + BR that is). HD formats have not caught on yet. When the movies are priced equal to DVD's and players are under $150 dollars, maybe. Having a HD player only matters if you have a HD TV which won't really hit mainstream for another year or so as prices are just starting to hit that mainstream target (under $1000).

Oh and the pirating comment is correct. That is why CH-DVD was built to be more secure. See the government doesn't care if folks pirate western movies, they just don't want people pirating their local products put on HD.

[QUOTE="Unholy_Smite"][QUOTE="Loonie"]

[QUOTE="Unholy_Smite"]I haven't insulted anybody here, and I was right. I stated the truth about GDP PEr Capita and he never once proved it was wrong and chose to flame me, beat a dead horse. GDP Per Capita is NOT average income, how is that so hard to understand? I even remember claiming it was average income at a site called nationstates and getting laughed at for it by people who knew it wasn't. It's NOT average income and loonie never proved it was. CLOSED!Loonie

I never claimed it was average income, i claimed it was average wealth, which is going to be the best indicator of average income we are going to get.

Oh and the US government releases reports on average income national and by state.

Yes but unless you can go and find China's then the GDP per capita is the best indicator of individual wealth we are going to get.

You were the one originally using their GDP per capita to prove they were poor.

China releases skewed information that may or may not be accurate. You sure you wanna trust it?

[QUOTE="SambaLele"]

ok, i'll explain why this thread should already end then:

1 - In China, ppl hardly buy any original entertainment product, movies, games, etc, are 95% if not even more "piratized". even if it's a country with a population of 1.3 billion ppl, with a great and steady economic growth, the great majority is still too poor, and even the ones that are not buys pirated material since it already became a cultural issue. China will not mean that much to this format war, i bet it never did. Not more than countries like Argentina, Brazil, etc.

2 - Blu-ray still has the most and best movies, and still is winning HD-DVD by 2:1 every month. In fact, BD came later and is already winning the format war, something that could recall the turn the Wii made over the 360. It may still be early to define a winner, but it'll take a lot more than China to change the situation.

maabus99

How about both are losing to DVD? They dropped from 3% of all movie sales to 1% (HD + BR that is). HD formats have not caught on yet. When the movies are priced equal to DVD's and players are under $150 dollars, maybe. Having a HD player only matters if you have a HD TV which won't really hit mainstream for another year or so as prices are just starting to hit that mainstream target (under $1000).

Oh and the pirating comment is correct. That is why CH-DVD was built to be more secure. See the government doesn't care if folks pirate western movies, they just don't want people pirating their local products put on HD.

who said those formats are winning over DVD? that takes time, like DVD took to win VHS. One of those will eventually win DVD, and that's something inevitable.

[QUOTE="maabus99"][QUOTE="SambaLele"]

ok, i'll explain why this thread should already end then:

1 - In China, ppl hardly buy any original entertainment product, movies, games, etc, are 95% if not even more "piratized". even if it's a country with a population of 1.3 billion ppl, with a great and steady economic growth, the great majority is still too poor, and even the ones that are not buys pirated material since it already became a cultural issue. China will not mean that much to this format war, i bet it never did. Not more than countries like Argentina, Brazil, etc.

2 - Blu-ray still has the most and best movies, and still is winning HD-DVD by 2:1 every month. In fact, BD came later and is already winning the format war, something that could recall the turn the Wii made over the 360. It may still be early to define a winner, but it'll take a lot more than China to change the situation.

SambaLele

How about both are losing to DVD? They dropped from 3% of all movie sales to 1% (HD + BR that is). HD formats have not caught on yet. When the movies are priced equal to DVD's and players are under $150 dollars, maybe. Having a HD player only matters if you have a HD TV which won't really hit mainstream for another year or so as prices are just starting to hit that mainstream target (under $1000).

Oh and the pirating comment is correct. That is why CH-DVD was built to be more secure. See the government doesn't care if folks pirate western movies, they just don't want people pirating their local products put on HD.

who said those formats are winning over DVD? that takes time, like DVD took to win VHS. One of those will eventually win DVD, and that's something inevitable.

Honestly I don't see the upgrade from DVD to HD as major step as VHS to DVD was. Both formats are pretty weak and are wide open for someone creative to knock them out. Sadly, I don't see anything like that happening for 5 years or so with holography discs.

On a side note, HD-DVD also released a standard for a 51 Gb HD-DVD, so Blu-Ray also lost its "storage" edge all of the cows have been raving about. The only thing I haven't researched is if this new disc is fully compatible with all HD players. We shall see.maabus99

Damn I guess you didn't hear about the 200 gb in development for Bluray.

So this means HD DVD will be the predominately pirated format in China.

:|

Yup a real winnah for HD DVD

:lol:

China has adopted HDDVD as their new format ; to me this looks like a cold war between Japn and China!Videodogg

Why are you reporting this blu ray lost months ago?

Sales don't matter suddenly when ur console of choice is losing.VACASCULIADAS

we'd better hope Japan doesn't revert to their WWII tendencies *shudders*Lab392

[QUOTE="Lab392"]we'd better hope Japan doesn't revert to their WWII tendencies *shudders*headninjadog

We're doing a better job of following Pope Urban II's example.

[QUOTE="Videodogg"]China has adopted HDDVD as their new format ; to me this looks like a cold war between Japn and China!Acemaster27

Why are you reporting this blu ray lost months ago?

WHAT? Blu Ray has been outselling hd dvd...

[QUOTE="xboxrox11"]

[QUOTE="Videodogg"]China has adopted HDDVD as their new format ; to me this looks like a cold war between Japn and China!Corvin

link or it didnt happen. also, this is a games forum, whats blu ray have to do with it? take this to next gen movie format wars.com, and maybe this will be on topic

Its System Wars, and Sony made Blu-ray relevant to System Wars when they dumped it in the PS3. At least thats the way I see it. PS3 games ship on Blu-ray after all.

It doesn't matter how you see it.

today announced CH-DVD (China High Definition DVD)(a), a
new generation high definition DVD format developed in collaboration with
research institutes and manufacturing enterprises at home and abroad. The
physical format of CH-DVD includes Chinese-owned intellectual property, and is
based on HD DVD

Not HD DVD but based on it, what a bad idea. And since when can the government pick which format the country uses? :lol: RIGHT! Moving on!

Unholy_Smite

Since when? How about since China is a communist country and they eat, sleep and **** where their government tells them to? Definitely funny. How about another :lol: A :lol: for those that didn't pay attention in history/social studies. Can I get a :lol: ?

Oh, and obviously CH-DVD is a different format than HD-DVD. The worlds largest market thumbed its noses at both formats and made it's own. And obviously, this has less than nothing to do with the HD-DVD/Blu-ray war.

L2READ.

Why is Blu-Ray/HD-DVD even compared to VHS/BetaMax, when by all indications its current pace is more akin to Laser Disc or DVD-A vs SVCD, as in not a new format the market was calling for, but a format that was forced out and is so far selling only to niche markets?SpruceCaboose

Everything is moving to HD. TVs, cable, video game systems, and movie players. Do you really think people are going to sit there and stubbornly refuse to accept technology for 20 years?

Until there is a service that can deliver instant, uncompressed HD downloads directly to your TV or a small DVR-like box, digital distribution is a long, long way off.

HEY DZ!!! YEAH YOU! OVER HERE!!! China is moving away from communism slowly and FYI.....Look around, DVD is a more of a mobile device not a TV resolution!

:lol: To You and a :roll: !

lol, what?

BluRay has no chance of losing. Now the highdef formats may never hit mainstream because Toshiba seems to rather spend all it's money on a losing format (paying off stuidos while selling players for a loss).

At best HD can only prolong the war....it will NEVER win it. THey can have a $50 china player next year and I'll say this again.....what's the point of having a player when 60-70% of the boxoffice movies can never be played on it.

this news is very relevent to this forum because Sony has made it relevent to their console; this Christmas HDDVD's are going to be flying off the shelves for a $200.00 price tag:)Videodogg

lol, I just read that Walmart was not intrested in this player. They said if it was a NAMED brand player they would be intrested.

hell if you are dissed by Wal-Mart that has to be one big POS player.

HEY DZ!!! YEAH YOU! OVER HERE!!! China is moving away from communism slowly and FYI.....Look around, DVD is a more of a mobile device not a TV resolution!

:lol: To You and a :roll: !

Unholy_Smite

According ot the Index of Economic Freedom China ranks 119th in the world. The US ranks #4.