The Fall of PC Gaming

I know many pc fanboys disagree, but i remember several games like the battlefield games would be pc only, now they are not even multi platform but just console only, aka battlefield bad company.

pc games used to be ported to console way later, now the opposite is happening with games like halo and others.

I think it's fair to say pc gamming is not as strong as it used to be at the very least, almost anyone who is a pc gamer i know just plays mmo's.

I find that pc gamers feel this pressure and are the most defensive towards pc games, probibly cause that's what they grew up with? i really don't know? Like pc games and stuff can be fun but my $1200 laptop didn't even include dedicated graphics processor and features integrated graphics proecessing (IGP). I know i know i could have got a desktop pc much more powerful for games and what not, but the whole reason i got my laptop was for school. Most ppl buy their pc with primary needs such as work, communication etc prior to considering gamming. Also most ppl just want to buy a game and run it, pc is just too technical for the average person, most ppl don't understand what ram, processor, gpu even are in their pc, let alone what the specs of their pc is.

most ppl are buying pc's under or slightly above the $1000 margin, and with that said not custom built pc's pre-built integrated grphic and low end didicated graphics cards. so when u run a game on that and get the error "pixel shader 3.0 required" or have to settle for low-medium settings, where as u could have high settings for games like bad company and force unleashed which arent even for p, for under $300 on console, it is just easier to go console and most of all graphics are not everything.

sure the graphics on pc look better, but try playing some of these games like oblivion on a 52" plasma vs a a slightly more tweaked pc rendition of it.

Just accept the fact consoles are more accesible. high in power to provide games like oblivion, cod 4 in what no one could say "garbage settings" not the best, but pretty damn good for a fraction of the cost and in a more confortable environment in your living room where u can just sit back and relax, even with friends.

pc games have an uphill battle, just a fact, only the most hardcore of the hardcore gamers i think truly get more satisfaction in their gamming rigs which they ditched hundreds or even thousands on just for the knit picky increases in graphics, which dont even contribute to gameplay if they same game is available for 360 or ps3 as well.

PC gaming generates more revenue worldwide than all consoles put together.

/thread.

pc games have an uphill battle, just a factIceSwift7

[QUOTE="IceSwift7"]pc games have an uphill battle, just a factDireToad

why? I have a psp and a ps3 and the ps3 is much better! I hardly use the psp anymore.

How are people going to go for a handheld when the graphics and gameplay will be worse and the screen will be smaller?

[QUOTE="IceSwift7"]pc games have an uphill battle, just a factDireToad

I dont know where you get that from. That is like saying that PCs or MACS will go away for good, which is so not true just because of the usability as well as the upgradeability that they represent, something that a lot portable devices are limited to.

we heard this at the beginning of the last generation too. at the rate it must be falling, we won't see it in our lifetimes. :?CaseyWegner

What I don't understand is how people can ignore the fact it generates more revenue than anything else out there :roll:. The real truth is that PC gaming is evolving, not dying.

While it's always dissapointing to see these threads, I'm pretty astonished this thread has been made in this particular week.

Just this week, the 360 lost one of its most popular exclusives, Mass Effect, to PC.

As well, just this week Saint's Row 2 was announced to be heading to the PC.

This follows in the path of Devil May Cry 4, Resident Evil, Burnout Paradise, Gears of War, Lost Planet and Viva Pinata this generation alone.

To try and paint the increasing tendency of ALL games towards multiplat status as the PC declining is misguided at best. Consoles are losing more games to the PC than the PC is towards the consoles. The proof is in the pudding, according to both GameSpot and Metacritic, the PC has more highly rated exclusives than any console, and in fact, more than all of them in unison.

Your other points (the PC is too expensive and too difficult to use) are no doubt based on personal anecdote. They neglect the pretty convincing evidence that the PC is the single most popular and profitable platform in the world, which I'm way too sick of posting.

wow every season is a "Fall of PC gaming" these days

It's still there..

Thanks for your thoughts, although I think you might be missing the perspective from gamers that do enjoy the PC.

If I had the time, I'd really like to expand on a number of points in your post, maybe someone else will. For now, here are a few random thoughts in response ;) ---

BF3 for the PC.

Game production costs are enormous these days, they are looking at maximizing the return on their expenditures. Ports and multi-platform development are a fact of life for all gamers, exclusivity for high-budget games must typically be bought in some way.

I'm a PC gamer that doesn't play MMOs.

I think you underestimate the number of people that do enjoy the hardware aspect of gaming on the PC. Certainly it's not as accessible for the average person, but for many other people consoles are simply shallow, proprietary, closed, relatively non-upgradeable mini-PCs. A gaming PC is a bit more expensive versus subsidized (by the games) console hardware, sure, but it's so very worth it!!!! :D

I do play my consoles on my 58" plasma, but guess what? When I really want and immersive, intense, and quality gaming experience. I choose my PC and it's 24" monitor -- I prefer the higher resolution and the desk/leather chair (being comfortable is not an issue) configuration of being close to the monitor. It draws me into the world I'm gaming in. For me, console gaming is best for casual gaming, along side of friends and family, which is something you sort of alluded to. Of course if someone wants to, they can hook their PC to their HDTV anyway.

"battlefield bad company."

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Alright, lemme throw my PC through the window. brbIgGy621985

Lol! :lol:

http://pc.ign.com/articles/826/826247p1.html

Console battlefields suck. Maybe not suck but are nowhere near as good.

After reading your article I've decided to take the side off my pc case and throw water over the motherboard as no one will ever buy a pc ever again.

Pc's btw: are still your daddy.

When I really want and immersive, intense, and quality gaming experience. I choose my PC and it's 24" monitor -- I prefer the higher resolution and the desk/leather chair (being comfortable is not an issue) configuration of being close to the monitor. It draws me into the world I'm gaming in.

Nitrous2O

Well Crysis just pased 3 million sales, AoC is at 1 million shipped and is going strong, WoW still has 10+ million active subscribers, exclusive franchies like Starcraft are going strong even 10 years after they launched...

I am really failing to see how PC gaming is falling. Consoles are catching up yes, but the PC is posting its strongest sales ever. Millions bought the G80 series of GPUs from Nvida, sales via Steam are through the roof (and not counted in NDP reports), games like Mount and Blade show the strong indie development base, and many console games are getting ported to the PC (Mass Effect, Assassins Creed).

PC gaming is far from dead. Especially when it is still growing.

sure the graphics on pc look better, but try playing some of these games like oblivion on a 52" plasma vs a a slightly more tweaked pc rendition of it.

IceSwift7

[QUOTE="IceSwift7"]

sure the graphics on pc look better, but try playing some of these games like oblivion on a 52" plasma vs a a slightly more tweaked pc rendition of it.

br0kenrabbit

That's pretty neat.

People seem to be forgetting the basic princibles of perspecive, wich work like this.

1. The further away you are, the smaller something is.

2. The closer you are the bigger something is.

I'm about a foot away from monitor, while most people on HDTV's are about 5-10 feet away.

Outside of that topic, the pc is not a dreamcast, it does not "die".

I know many pc fanboys disagree, but i remember several games like the battlefield games would be pc only, now they are not even multi platform but just console only, aka battlefield bad company.

pc games used to be ported to console way later, now the opposite is happening with games like halo and others.

I think it's fair to say pc gamming is not as strong as it used to be at the very least, almost anyone who is a pc gamer i know just plays mmo's.

I find that pc gamers feel this pressure and are the most defensive towards pc games, probibly cause that's what they grew up with? i really don't know? Like pc games and stuff can be fun but my $1200 laptop didn't even include dedicated graphics processor and features integrated graphics proecessing (IGP). I know i know i could have got a desktop pc much more powerful for games and what not, but the whole reason i got my laptop was for school. Most ppl buy their pc with primary needs such as work, communication etc prior to considering gamming. Also most ppl just want to buy a game and run it, pc is just too technical for the average person, most ppl don't understand what ram, processor, gpu even are in their pc, let alone what the specs of their pc is.

most ppl are buying pc's under or slightly above the $1000 margin, and with that said not custom built pc's pre-built integrated grphic and low end didicated graphics cards. so when u run a game on that and get the error "pixel shader 3.0 required" or have to settle for low-medium settings, where as u could have high settings for games like bad company and force unleashed which arent even for p, for under $300 on console, it is just easier to go console and most of all graphics are not everything.

sure the graphics on pc look better, but try playing some of these games like oblivion on a 52" plasma vs a a slightly more tweaked pc rendition of it.

Just accept the fact consoles are more accesible. high in power to provide games like oblivion, cod 4 in what no one could say "garbage settings" not the best, but pretty damn good for a fraction of the cost and in a more confortable environment in your living room where u can just sit back and relax, even with friends.

pc games have an uphill battle, just a fact, only the most hardcore of the hardcore gamers i think truly get more satisfaction in their gamming rigs which they ditched hundreds or even thousands on just for the knit picky increases in graphics, which dont even contribute to gameplay if they same game is available for 360 or ps3 as well.

IceSwift7

bit-tech.net has a nice interview with Ben Cousins, the executive producer of the whole Battlefield franchise. In it he talks about a three pronged attack, but read it yourself what exactly he says.

BT: Between the console-based Bad Company and the more casual, kind of accessible feel of Heroes, some hardcore fans may be worried that the once realistic, PC-only shooter is now...

BC: Changed?

BT: Yeah, like it's going to suddenly become this casual, console-only shooter.

BC: Well, I'm the executive producer on the franchise. I'm really in charge of the entire Battlefield franchise and it's very clear to me that there are three... well, we have to make this a three-pronged assault with the series really.

First, there are consoles. Consoles are really big, we can't ignore them, we have to be on the consoles. Second, there's this casual experiment we're going with Battlefield: Heroes and the third prong is the hardcore PC gaming experience. We've made those in the past and we'll continue to make them in the future. We aren't specifically announcing anything, but we are still going to keep those hardcore gamers very happy.

A lot of people are confused when they see Heroes because they see it and assume that that is the future of Battlefield on PC, but it isn't.

YOU FAIL 8)

[QUOTE="IceSwift7"]

I know many pc fanboys disagree, but i remember several games like the battlefield games would be pc only, now they are not even multi platform but just console only, aka battlefield bad company.

pc games used to be ported to console way later, now the opposite is happening with games like halo and others.

I think it's fair to say pc gamming is not as strong as it used to be at the very least, almost anyone who is a pc gamer i know just plays mmo's.

I find that pc gamers feel this pressure and are the most defensive towards pc games, probibly cause that's what they grew up with? i really don't know? Like pc games and stuff can be fun but my $1200 laptop didn't even include dedicated graphics processor and features integrated graphics proecessing (IGP). I know i know i could have got a desktop pc much more powerful for games and what not, but the whole reason i got my laptop was for school. Most ppl buy their pc with primary needs such as work, communication etc prior to considering gamming. Also most ppl just want to buy a game and run it, pc is just too technical for the average person, most ppl don't understand what ram, processor, gpu even are in their pc, let alone what the specs of their pc is.

most ppl are buying pc's under or slightly above the $1000 margin, and with that said not custom built pc's pre-built integrated grphic and low end didicated graphics cards. so when u run a game on that and get the error "pixel shader 3.0 required" or have to settle for low-medium settings, where as u could have high settings for games like bad company and force unleashed which arent even for p, for under $300 on console, it is just easier to go console and most of all graphics are not everything.

sure the graphics on pc look better, but try playing some of these games like oblivion on a 52" plasma vs a a slightly more tweaked pc rendition of it.

Just accept the fact consoles are more accesible. high in power to provide games like oblivion, cod 4 in what no one could say "garbage settings" not the best, but pretty damn good for a fraction of the cost and in a more confortable environment in your living room where u can just sit back and relax, even with friends.

pc games have an uphill battle, just a fact, only the most hardcore of the hardcore gamers i think truly get more satisfaction in their gamming rigs which they ditched hundreds or even thousands on just for the knit picky increases in graphics, which dont even contribute to gameplay if they same game is available for 360 or ps3 as well.

devious742

bit-tech.net has a nice interview with Ben Cousins, the executive producer of the whole Battlefield franchise. In it he talks about a three pronged attack, but read it yourself what exactly he says.

BT: Between the console-based Bad Company and the more casual, kind of accessible feel of Heroes, some hardcore fans may be worried that the once realistic, PC-only shooter is now...

BC: Changed?

BT: Yeah, like it's going to suddenly become this casual, console-only shooter.

BC: Well, I'm the executive producer on the franchise. I'm really in charge of the entire Battlefield franchise and it's very clear to me that there are three... well, we have to make this a three-pronged assault with the series really.

First, there are consoles. Consoles are really big, we can't ignore them, we have to be on the consoles. Second, there's this casual experiment we're going with Battlefield: Heroes and the third prong is the hardcore PC gaming experience. We've made those in the past and we'll continue to make them in the future. We aren't specifically announcing anything, but we are still going to keep those hardcore gamers very happy.

A lot of people are confused when they see Heroes because they see it and assume that that is the future of Battlefield on PC, but it isn't.

YOU FAIL 8)

*walks in thread*

*Throws away PC in the fire"

*rest in peace*

:(

Myth #1: PC gaming is way too expensive
It's easy to look at Voodoo PC, Alienware, Falcon Northwest, or even HP's new Blackbird and think that gaming PCs cost thousands of dollars. I mean, you can't get a PC that plays games well for under three grand, right? Not even close. Remember that Get Your Girlfriend To Build Her Own PC thing we did? That total system upgrade project cost under $1,500, and it plays games great. A couple times a year, we feature an $800 Budget Gaming PC in the Build-It section of the site. You can't crank up the settings on every new game on these boxes, only most of them.

But say you don't want to build your own PC. We understand-it can be intimidating. I went to Dell's website today and configured an Inspiron 530 with a 2.33GHz Core 2 Duo, Vista Home Premium, 2 gigs of DDR2 800 RAM, a 320GB hard drive, and DVD burner for $1050. That's with integrated graphics because the graphics options offered aren't too great. You gotta tack on $300 to buy a 320MB GeForce 8800 GTS from anywhere else on the web, which you can install yourself quite easily (no, really. It's not like "building your computer." Your mom can do it.). Oh, and that's with a 22" widescreen monitor.

That machine will play literally every modern PC game at its super-duper-pretty settings at 1680x1050 (take that, 720p console games!) for less than $1,500. You can do the same thing with computers from HP, or Gateway, or whatever your mass-market PC vendor of choice is. Just buy a system with a medium-grade processor, 2 gigs of fast RAM, and choose the cheapest graphics option they offer because you'll replace it with something good. Hell, even a 20" iMac with one gig of memory and a graphics card not half as fast will cost you $1,500, and people seem to pine over those.

Of course, $1,500 isn't chump change. It's far more expensive than a $300 console system. But of course, you do a lot more with it, right? You're probably reading this on a PC. It's where you watch all those game videos and read those gaming sites and blogs. It's where you get your email, download music, sync up your iPod, subscribe to podcasts, IM your friends, and all that good stuff.

PC gaming is actually a better deal than consoles. For starters, top-tier PC games cost $50, while console games have bumped up the price to $60. And while you can hardly ever find good deals on hot new console games, new PC games are discounted in many retail stores all the time. Just today, I saw the brand-spanking-new triple-A game World in Conflict is on sale at Frys for $40. Older games are available on digital download services and in stores for often $20 or $30. Digital download systems abound. In fact, the best deal in gaming anywhere is the PC-only GameTap. For $10 a month, you can play almost 1,000 full games (and the list grows rapidly), including pixel-perfect emulated retro arcade games, console games, and PC games-many a year or two old and some even very new.

Let me give one specific example. Valve's The Orange Box is coming to Xbox 360 simultaneous with its PC launch, and to PS3 shortly after. It's $60 for the 360 and $50 for the PC, and both have $5 off pre-order deals. If you preorder on the 360, you get it when it comes out. If you preorder on the PC through Steam, you get access to Team Fortress 2 right now, and of course you can pre-load the games before release and just download the last little stub right away when it's released so you can play it immediately. Which is the better deal? Don't ask me, I'm too busy having a blast playing Team Fortress 2.

Consoles are just getting into the whole free demo download thing, but the PC is king of that realm. You could spend hours a day doing little else other than playing the dozens, even hundreds of PC demos that are released each year. Not to mention the astounding number of free games out there for the PC. On the consoles, almost nothing is ever free.

Oh, and next time you get nickel-and-dimed for every little content download for a game you paid $60 for, sometimes even charging you for what amounts to a cheat code, ask yourself if that inexpensive console is really saving your more money than the guy on his PC downloading oodles of free user-generated content, often of equal or better quality, and playing online for free

link

im really getting tired of posting this:|

PC gaming generates more revenue worldwide than all consoles put together.

/thread.

Stonin

Spoken like a true hermit....You got your facts wrong though

[QUOTE="Stonin"]

PC gaming generates more revenue worldwide than all consoles put together.

/thread.

FunkyHeadHunter

Spoken like a true hermit....You got your facts wrong though

Myth #3: PC games don't sell, and are falling far behind console game sales
Sales tracking firm NPD said there were "over $970 million" in PC game sales, and $7.4 billion in total game sales. So, roughly a billion in sales for the PC, and $6.4 billion for consoles. Consoles are slaughtering PCs, right? Actually, it's not that simple.

First of all, it's a stacked deck. The PC is one platform, the Xbox 360 is one platform, the PlayStation 3 is one platform, the Nintendo DS is one platform, etc. If you make a game for the PS3, it doesn't magically run on the 360 any more than it magically runs on the PC. PC game sales as tracked by NPD are being beat over 6:1 by the combination of all console platforms. Of course it is! NPD did not provide a breakdown by platform (except for the PC), though. Divvy up that $6.4 billion in console sales into its respective separate platforms: Xbox, PS2, Gamecube, Xbox 360, PS3, Wii, Gameboy Advance, Nintendo DS, and PSP. There are at least nine major "console" platforms, each as incomparable to each other as the PC is to consoles, contributing to that $6.4 billion in sales. If the distribution were even (and it's not), you'd have about $711 million per console platform. Now, the PC is leading! Of course, consoles like the PS2, Nintendo DS, and Xbox 360 had the lion's share of game sales, while newer and more expensive systems like the PS3 with a more limited software lineup had less. It's safe to assume, in the absence of specific console-by-console data, that PC game sales fell somewhere in the middle of the pack-behind the top few console systems, and ahead of several others. You could certainly characterize the PC as selling games at retail "just as well" as "the average console system."

If, by NPD's own data, the PC is selling games at retail as well as your "typical" console system, why spell out the doom and gloom message? Is every console that doesn't sit in the top 2 or 3 spots for software sales "doomed" and "failing?" Is it only worthwhile to make games for the Nintendo DS, Xbox 360, and PS2, because that's where all the game sales are? Of course not, and the same is true for the PC.

But there's even more to it than that. First of all, NPD only tracks retail sales, and only in the U.S.. Yes, the U.S. has the strongest retail games market, but PC games are very popular worldwide. Especially in Europe, and Germany in particular, PC game sales top sales charts. Most importantly, the PC is well ahead of consoles in online game sales-which NPD does not track. Whether it's GameTap, Steam, Direct2Drive, TotalGaming.net, or even the direct download store at the EBgames site, buying games exclusively online is huge on PCs. And that doesn't even include things like recurring payments or digital item sales for online games like World of Warcraft. Research firm Strategy Analytics said that the global online games market generated over $3.8 billion in revenue in 2006, and is growing at over 25% per year. Yes, some of that is buying downloadable content on Xbox Live Arcade, Playstation Network, or Wii Virtual Console, but the money pulled in by those are a drop in the bucket, globally, to the online revenue generated by PC game sales.

Unfortunately, nobody is yet providing the kind of apples-to-apples data that lets us get a true picture of PC game sales. Take that "over $970 million" sales of PC games from NPD. That's just retail and just the U.S. Nobody is tracking online game sales for just the U.S. in a reasonably comprehensive way. Or if they are, they're not proving data, breaking it down by platform and by game sales & addons vs. recurring subscription fees. I don't think it's a stretch to say that several hundred million dollars worth of games & addons have happened online in the U.S.

All of a sudden, PC game sales don't look too shoddy. And they're especially attractive when you consider that third-party publishers don't have to fork over $7-10 per sale in royalties to a console developer.

So are the consoles grossly outselling PC games? Yes, in aggregate, but it's hardly fair or rational to compare multiple platforms against one. Viewed against any other single platform, PC game sales are quite good. Do the industry tracking firms show sharper growth among console game sales than PC game sales? Again yes, but this is a factor of PC game sales increasingly moving online, and thus not being tracked.

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If PC does go away you can blame the pirates. If it is true Crysis sold 3 million then I bet piracy took away 5 million legitimate sales. Crytek is going Multiplat because they are losing money on the PC.

sure the graphics on pc look better, but try playing some of these games like oblivion on a 52" plasma vs a a slightly more tweaked pc rendition of it.

IceSwift7

But wait my PC is hooked up to my 52" LCD. Hmmm... Please do some reasearch and don't pretend to know anything about PC gaming because it is obvious you don't. Just stop taking out your ***.

[QUOTE="Stonin"]

PC gaming generates more revenue worldwide than all consoles put together.

/thread.

FunkyHeadHunter

Spoken like a true hermit....You got your facts wrong though

If PC does go away you can blame the pirates. If it is true Crysis sold 3 million then I bet piracy took away 5 million legitimate sales. Crytek is going Multiplat because they are losing money on the PC.

PS3_3DO

How are they losing money? Can you read what they said clearly? All they said was they're going multiplat because they want MORE money, not cause they're losing money.

i remember several games like the battlefield games would be pc only, now they are not even multi platform but just console only, aka battlefield bad company.

IceSwift7

Stopped here.

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

If PC does go away you can blame the pirates. If it is true Crysis sold 3 million then I bet piracy took away 5 million legitimate sales. Crytek is going Multiplat because they are losing money on the PC.

cetzop

How are they losing money? Can you read what they said clearly? All they said was they're going multiplat because they want MORE money, not cause they're losing money.

They said that piracy is making them not be PC exclusive anymore since it's not profitable because of the lost of game sales.

I know many pc fanboys disagree, but i remember several games like the battlefield games would be pc only, now they are not even multi platform but just console only, aka battlefield bad company.

pc games used to be ported to console way later, now the opposite is happening with games like halo and others.

I think it's fair to say pc gamming is not as strong as it used to be at the very least, almost anyone who is a pc gamer i know just plays mmo's.

I find that pc gamers feel this pressure and are the most defensive towards pc games, probibly cause that's what they grew up with? i really don't know? Like pc games and stuff can be fun but my $1200 laptop didn't even include dedicated graphics processor and features integrated graphics proecessing (IGP). I know i know i could have got a desktop pc much more powerful for games and what not, but the whole reason i got my laptop was for school. Most ppl buy their pc with primary needs such as work, communication etc prior to considering gamming. Also most ppl just want to buy a game and run it, pc is just too technical for the average person, most ppl don't understand what ram, processor, gpu even are in their pc, let alone what the specs of their pc is.

most ppl are buying pc's under or slightly above the $1000 margin, and with that said not custom built pc's pre-built integrated grphic and low end didicated graphics cards. so when u run a game on that and get the error "pixel shader 3.0 required" or have to settle for low-medium settings, where as u could have high settings for games like bad company and force unleashed which arent even for p, for under $300 on console, it is just easier to go console and most of all graphics are not everything.

sure the graphics on pc look better, but try playing some of these games like oblivion on a 52" plasma vs a a slightly more tweaked pc rendition of it.

Just accept the fact consoles are more accesible. high in power to provide games like oblivion, cod 4 in what no one could say "garbage settings" not the best, but pretty damn good for a fraction of the cost and in a more confortable environment in your living room where u can just sit back and relax, even with friends.

pc games have an uphill battle, just a fact, only the most hardcore of the hardcore gamers i think truly get more satisfaction in their gamming rigs which they ditched hundreds or even thousands on just for the knit picky increases in graphics, which dont even contribute to gameplay if they same game is available for 360 or ps3 as well.

IceSwift7

What is funny is I haven't seen a console game yet that looked like it was on "High" and also had a larger resolution than 720p.

This is my anti-"dead pc gaming" post....

Battlefield bad company is not good enough for PC, Besides. Bad Company is basically a new " Modern Combat "

Developers go for consoles, because the console market is huge. Most people who own consoles, will also own a computer.

All my friends that are gamers, PLAY FPS. and other great Style games. MMO isn't the only style of game on the compuer.

Maybe not all people understand that. But are they hardcore gamers ? NO. Lots of those people may not even play games.

Like i said before, BAD COMPANY IS A TERRIBLE GAME, NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR PC. As for Force Unleashed. Lucas Arts has been tricked into believing Piracy is on the loose. If that was true, HOW did Crysis sell 3 million units ON PC ALONE. If a developer uses NPD numbers to show " Worldwide Piracy " keep in mind, NDP is ONLY in America !

PC gamers do not need 52" plasma TV's because they usually sit right close to the monitor. I don't see console gamers sitting right up to the TV.

My PC is just as, if not more accesible then my console. High power to provide Oblivion and CoD4 on max settings.

More expensive is true. but oh well. Computers work as Multimedia devices. Like PS3, just better.

Better graphics DO contribute to gameplay, Helps you get immersed. Its hard to become immersed in a Jagfest.

NOTE: A lot of what was said there today is opinionized. So Don't take it to heart like i said it was all Factual information.

This is my anti-"dead pc gaming" post....

Battlefield bad company is not good enough for PC, Besides. Bad Company is basically a new " Modern Combat "

Developers go for consoles, because the console market is huge. Most people who own consoles, will also own a computer.

All my friends that are gamers, PLAY FPS. and other great Style games. MMO isn't the only style of game on the compuer.

Maybe not all people understand that. But are they hardcore gamers ? NO. Lots of those people may not even play games.

Like i said before, BAD COMPANY IS A TERRIBLE GAME, NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR PC. As for Force Unleashed. Lucas Arts has been tricked into believing Piracy is on the loose. If that was true, HOW did Crysis sell 3 million units ON PC ALONE. If a developer uses NPD numbers to show " Worldwide Piracy " keep in mind, NDP is ONLY in America !

PC gamers do not need 52" plasma TV's because they usually sit right close to the monitor. I don't see console gamers sitting right up to the TV.

My PC is just as, if not more accesible then my console. High power to provide Oblivion and CoD4 on max settings.

More expensive is true. but oh well. Computers work as Multimedia devices. Like PS3, just better.

Better graphics DO contribute to gameplay, Helps you get immersed. Its hard to become immersed in a Jagfest.

NOTE: A lot of what was said there today is opinionized. So Don't take it to heart like i said it was all Factual information.

Virus214

No because apparently the solar system, including Sol, all revolve around America :roll: .

[QUOTE="cetzop"][QUOTE="FunkyHeadHunter"][QUOTE="Stonin"]

PC gaming generates more revenue worldwide than all consoles put together.

/thread.

FunkyHeadHunter

Spoken like a true hermit....You got your facts wrong though

Spoken like a true greesy haired, thick broken glasses wearing, suspender snaping, basement dwelling pc fanboy.

36 and still believing in stereotypes? Guess age isn't a counter for maturity.

[QUOTE="FunkyHeadHunter"][QUOTE="cetzop"][QUOTE="FunkyHeadHunter"][QUOTE="Stonin"]

PC gaming generates more revenue worldwide than all consoles put together.

/thread.

bladeeagle

Spoken like a true hermit....You got your facts wrong though

Spoken like a true greesy haired, thick broken glasses wearing, suspender snaping, basement dwelling pc fanboy.

36 and still believing in stereotypes? Guess age isn't a counter for maturity.