The flaws of the nostalgia argument against Nintendo

1. You can never know if a person is affected by nostalgia or not unless he/she is your close friend. I doubt any SW dwellers here are close friends in RL.

2. Not every Nintendo fan grew up with Nintendo. I didn't grow up with them. I grew up with PC gaming along with Blizzard and the others. I started gaming with Nintendo just this gen and except for Mario, Pokemon, and Kirby, i was unfamiliar with their franchises. Twilight Princess is actually the first Zelda game i've played. After having played Ocarina of Time 3D, I felt it really was outdated and TP was far superior but most fans will criticize me over this and i would say i'm unaffected by nostalgia.

3. Having played the older games of the series can also downplay your enjoyment of the game. For example, I haven't played OoT when it came out. I played TP for my first Zelda game. I consider TP superior over OoT. People who have played OoT in the past however will likely say TP didn't innovate much and OoT is still superior in overall design but this is most probably because they have played OoT when it came out for the first time which may mean it's because of nostalgia. Therefore, it can be argued that without nostalgia TP is superior over OoT. If a GS reviewer who has never played a Zelda game before reviews TP or SS, i'm gonna bet it's gonna get a 9.0 or 9.5 or maybe even a 10. In this case, you could actually use the nostalgia argument against a reviewer who scored the game low.

3. Nostalgia doesn't mean it's an outdated mechanic or formula. If it's a tried and true formula for fun, then there should be nothing wrong about that. Nintendo may use fairly the same formulas but actually there's lots of changes in their game irregardless of how you perceive them.

People just say it's nostalgia because they disagree.

I don't think they actually believe it is, they just say it cause it's their only excuse.

7.5

they make games with good gameplay, hardly a nostalgia arguement Mario Kart and Zelda are just as good as they ever were to be honest.

Well you sure can pick the bright bulbs from the bunch out of this group.

they make games with good gameplay, hardly a nostalgia arguement Mario Kart and Zelda are just as good as they ever were to be honest.

razgriz_101

I agree 100% Nintendo games are so much fun to play, Mario 3d is the best platformer I've played in a long time.

Nostalgia only holds true when a product doesn't have quality in current times. Nintendo is always top quality so that argument is weaksauce and incorrect.

if Super Mario Galaxy stars a new/different character no one will care about that gameraskullibur

you can say the same for any major series.

if Super Mario Galaxy stars a new/different character no one will care about that gameraskullibur

[QUOTE="Super Mario 3D land is a joke....It's fun and does have challenge but when I pictured this mario game I was hoping more like I open scope like Mario 64 or even Galaxy like game but no, it was mostly stuck on a trail full of 6 levels with a cheese boss at the end... Nintendo has become cash in with it's titles and I don't even wanna mention the new mario cart review. I stick to Sony and PC (Steam), the rest are just cash ins.

To each their own. I thought the game was great with a good mix of open world levels and side scrolling. I was happy with how Bowser gets beaten, yes that takes me back to Nostalgia of the old Mario series but it was a nice addition. I do respect peoples opinions on games if they seem genuine and are not just being trolls as it leads to competition which is great for everyone.

It doesn't? Zelda has been using the same formula from OOT-TP and still has 90+ on every game on meta.

Alot of ppl have move on from nintendo games (For Kids and Retards) since when they reach past 12 yrs old, so move on and act like your age. Oh and you're a Dumbass. :pMultiPlatGamer1

Best laugh is Pokemon is probably deeper than generic shooter warfare 3.

It doesn't? Zelda has been using the same formula from OOT-TP and still has 90+ on every game on meta.

GD1551

It doesn't? Zelda has been using the same formula from OOT-TP and still has 90+ on every game on meta.

GD1551

Do you want a boss battle before solving puzzles? lol do you want zelda to be like an WRPG where you have moral choices with free roam? lol just go play Skyrim or The Witcher 2 which is much better than Skyrim. Do you think no voice acting on the protagonist is absurd and archaic? Tell that to Mr. Gordon Freeman because he doesn't talk.

If nostalgia were a factor, Duke Nukem Forever would've gotten better reviews methinks.

But we all know how that one ended.

It doesn't? Zelda has been using the same formula from OOT-TP and still has 90+ on every game on meta.

GD1551

The opposite can be said for the sonic fans that are crying right now that sega is changing sonic yet again forone of his new games next year.

[QUOTE="MultiPlatGamer1"]Alot of ppl have move on from nintendo games (For Kids and Retards) since when they reach past 12 yrs old, so move on and act like your age. Oh and you're a Dumbass. :prazgriz_101

Best laugh is Pokemon is probably deeper than generic shooter warfare 3.

Generally, I don't think nostalgia is the reason why Nintendo game are liked either. But you can't speak for everyone, though. You just never know.

It doesn't? Zelda has been using the same formula from OOT-TP and still has 90+ on every game on meta.

GD1551

Couldn't be more agree with this, that's why Sonic and Duke Nukem, such a nostalgic fanchises have been critically acclaimed...oh WAIT!!!!

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

It doesn't? Zelda has been using the same formula from OOT-TP and still has 90+ on every game on meta.

madsnakehhh

Couldn't be more agree with this, that's why Sonic and Duke Nukem, such a nostalgic fanchises have been critically acclaimed...oh WAIT!!!!

if its nostalgia then so are other games that are getting old...halo,dmc etc

It doesn't? Zelda has been using the same formula from OOT-TP and still has 90+ on every game on meta.

GD1551

if you played any zelda after OOT you will know the formula is not the same

1. You can never know if a person is affected by nostalgia or not unless he/she is your close friend. I doubt any SW dwellers here are close friends in RL.

2. Not every Nintendo fan grew up with Nintendo. I didn't grow up with them. I grew up with PC gaming along with Blizzard and the others. I started gaming with Nintendo just this gen and except for Mario, Pokemon, and Kirby, i was unfamiliar with their franchises. Twilight Princess is actually the first Zelda game i've played. After having played Ocarina of Time 3D, I felt it really was outdated and TP was far superior but most fans will criticize me over this and i would say i'm unaffected by nostalgia.

3. Having played the older games of the series can also downplay your enjoyment of the game. For example, I haven't played OoT when it came out. I played TP for my first Zelda game. I consider TP superior over OoT. People who have played OoT in the past however will likely say TP didn't innovate much and OoT is still superior in overall design but this is most probably because they have played OoT when it came out for the first time which may mean it's because of nostalgia. Therefore, it can be argued that without nostalgia TP is superior over OoT. If a GS reviewer who has never played a Zelda game before reviews TP or SS, i'm gonna bet it's gonna get a 9.0 or 9.5 or maybe even a 10. In this case, you could actually use the nostalgia argument against a reviewer who scored the game low.

3. Nostalgia doesn't mean it's an outdated mechanic or formula. If it's a tried and true formula for fun, then there should be nothing wrong about that. Nintendo may use fairly the same formulas but actually there's lots of changes in their game irregardless of how you perceive them.

lordlors

it is nostalgia, sorry to tell you that, I know it hurts but without nostalgia nintendo wouldnt be here, you didnt played OoT when it was released (or before TP) so you were not nostalgia struck, thats why you thought OoT was outdated...you thinking that TP was a good game is just your terrible taste talking.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

It doesn't? Zelda has been using the same formula from OOT-TP and still has 90+ on every game on meta.

Mario1331

if you played any zelda after OOT you will know the formula is not the same

The core formula it is the same, just like the formula in every Halo is shooting the bad guys and in DMC is flashy combos to kill enemies, however it would be pretty stupid to say that Halo CE is the same game as Halo Reach...which it is what they do for Nintendo games.

7.5

You know if a person thinks a nintendo game is good when it's terrible then its nostalgia, skyward sword for example.

[QUOTE="lordlors"]

1. You can never know if a person is affected by nostalgia or not unless he/she is your close friend. I doubt any SW dwellers here are close friends in RL.

2. Not every Nintendo fan grew up with Nintendo. I didn't grow up with them. I grew up with PC gaming along with Blizzard and the others. I started gaming with Nintendo just this gen and except for Mario, Pokemon, and Kirby, i was unfamiliar with their franchises. Twilight Princess is actually the first Zelda game i've played. After having played Ocarina of Time 3D, I felt it really was outdated and TP was far superior but most fans will criticize me over this and i would say i'm unaffected by nostalgia.

3. Having played the older games of the series can also downplay your enjoyment of the game. For example, I haven't played OoT when it came out. I played TP for my first Zelda game. I consider TP superior over OoT. People who have played OoT in the past however will likely say TP didn't innovate much and OoT is still superior in overall design but this is most probably because they have played OoT when it came out for the first time which may mean it's because of nostalgia. Therefore, it can be argued that without nostalgia TP is superior over OoT. If a GS reviewer who has never played a Zelda game before reviews TP or SS, i'm gonna bet it's gonna get a 9.0 or 9.5 or maybe even a 10. In this case, you could actually use the nostalgia argument against a reviewer who scored the game low.

3. Nostalgia doesn't mean it's an outdated mechanic or formula. If it's a tried and true formula for fun, then there should be nothing wrong about that. Nintendo may use fairly the same formulas but actually there's lots of changes in their game irregardless of how you perceive them.

lightleggy

it is nostalgia, sorry to tell you that, I know it hurts but without nostalgia nintendo wouldnt be here, you didnt played OoT when it was released (or before TP) so you were not nostalgia struck, thats why you thought OoT was outdated...you thinking that TP was a good game is just your terrible taste talking.

The guy is allowed to have his own opinion on a game. Someone with a Little Pony avatar shouldn't be telling someone else they have terrible taste by the way.

Also, without constant high quality games, Nintendo wouldn't be here. I guess since nostalgia is responsible for their success, they shouldn't bother to make good games anymore.

You know if a person thinks a nintendo game is good when it's terrible then its nostalgia, skyward sword for example.

firefluff3

:lol: Ok, that made me chukle.

The guy is allowed to have his own opinion on a game. Someone with a Little Pony avatar shouldn't be telling someone else they have terrible taste by the way.

Wii-U4Fun

But my Little Pony is great :cry:

That's the only thing i like about him...oh and that he loves FFVIII.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]

[QUOTE="lordlors"]

1. You can never know if a person is affected by nostalgia or not unless he/she is your close friend. I doubt any SW dwellers here are close friends in RL.

2. Not every Nintendo fan grew up with Nintendo. I didn't grow up with them. I grew up with PC gaming along with Blizzard and the others. I started gaming with Nintendo just this gen and except for Mario, Pokemon, and Kirby, i was unfamiliar with their franchises. Twilight Princess is actually the first Zelda game i've played. After having played Ocarina of Time 3D, I felt it really was outdated and TP was far superior but most fans will criticize me over this and i would say i'm unaffected by nostalgia.

3. Having played the older games of the series can also downplay your enjoyment of the game. For example, I haven't played OoT when it came out. I played TP for my first Zelda game. I consider TP superior over OoT. People who have played OoT in the past however will likely say TP didn't innovate much and OoT is still superior in overall design but this is most probably because they have played OoT when it came out for the first time which may mean it's because of nostalgia. Therefore, it can be argued that without nostalgia TP is superior over OoT. If a GS reviewer who has never played a Zelda game before reviews TP or SS, i'm gonna bet it's gonna get a 9.0 or 9.5 or maybe even a 10. In this case, you could actually use the nostalgia argument against a reviewer who scored the game low.

3. Nostalgia doesn't mean it's an outdated mechanic or formula. If it's a tried and true formula for fun, then there should be nothing wrong about that. Nintendo may use fairly the same formulas but actually there's lots of changes in their game irregardless of how you perceive them.

Wii-U4Fun

it is nostalgia, sorry to tell you that, I know it hurts but without nostalgia nintendo wouldnt be here, you didnt played OoT when it was released (or before TP) so you were not nostalgia struck, thats why you thought OoT was outdated...you thinking that TP was a good game is just your terrible taste talking.

The guy is allowed to have his own opinion on a game. Someone with a Little Pony avatar shouldn't be telling someone else they have terrible taste by the way.

Also, without constant high quality games, Nintendo wouldn't be here. I guess since nostalgia is responsible for their success, they shouldn't bother to make good games anymore.

I can bet you 100 bucks you have never watched a single full episode of FiM. at least I have played and beaten most of nintendo's main tittles. and LOL nintendo has not made quality games for a long time, they are a lazy dev who recycles concepts and still somehow releases every game in like 3 years intervals (even though they could easily be released yearly)

7.5

call_of_duty_10

And 9.3 on Metacritic so keep hating and cherry picking whatever reviews are most convenient to you. ;)

Alot of ppl have move on from nintendo games (For Kids and Retards) since when they reach past 12 yrs old, so move on and act like your age. Oh and you're a Dumbass. :pMultiPlatGamer1

GTFO dumbass kid.

[QUOTE="lordlors"]

1. You can never know if a person is affected by nostalgia or not unless he/she is your close friend. I doubt any SW dwellers here are close friends in RL.

2. Not every Nintendo fan grew up with Nintendo. I didn't grow up with them. I grew up with PC gaming along with Blizzard and the others. I started gaming with Nintendo just this gen and except for Mario, Pokemon, and Kirby, i was unfamiliar with their franchises. Twilight Princess is actually the first Zelda game i've played. After having played Ocarina of Time 3D, I felt it really was outdated and TP was far superior but most fans will criticize me over this and i would say i'm unaffected by nostalgia.

3. Having played the older games of the series can also downplay your enjoyment of the game. For example, I haven't played OoT when it came out. I played TP for my first Zelda game. I consider TP superior over OoT. People who have played OoT in the past however will likely say TP didn't innovate much and OoT is still superior in overall design but this is most probably because they have played OoT when it came out for the first time which may mean it's because of nostalgia. Therefore, it can be argued that without nostalgia TP is superior over OoT. If a GS reviewer who has never played a Zelda game before reviews TP or SS, i'm gonna bet it's gonna get a 9.0 or 9.5 or maybe even a 10. In this case, you could actually use the nostalgia argument against a reviewer who scored the game low.

3. Nostalgia doesn't mean it's an outdated mechanic or formula. If it's a tried and true formula for fun, then there should be nothing wrong about that. Nintendo may use fairly the same formulas but actually there's lots of changes in their game irregardless of how you perceive them.

lightleggy

it is nostalgia, sorry to tell you that, I know it hurts but without nostalgia nintendo wouldnt be here, you didnt played OoT when it was released (or before TP) so you were not nostalgia struck, thats why you thought OoT was outdated...you thinking that TP was a good game is just your terrible taste talking.

So if you like OoT it means you're brainwashed by nostalgia but liking TP means you just have bad taste. That's rich.

7.5

mahlasor

Equals "Good" here. Troll harder kid.

Hey Demonjoe93,easy with the DC man.

It wont change the 7.5.

Hey Demonjoe93,easy with the DC man.

It wont change the 7.5.

call_of_duty_10

And that 7.5 didn't change the 93 metacritic score very much. Your point?

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

Hey Demonjoe93,easy with the DC man.

It wont change the 7.5.

Demonjoe93

And that 7.5 didn't change the 93 metacritic score very much. Your point?

[QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

[QUOTE="MultiPlatGamer1"]Alot of ppl have move on from nintendo games (For Kids and Retards) since when they reach past 12 yrs old, so move on and act like your age. Oh and you're a Dumbass. :pMultiPlatGamer1

GTFO dumbass kid.

Troll harder kid.

Boy I remember when trolling was sorta like an art.

[QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

Hey Demonjoe93,easy with the DC man.

It wont change the 7.5.

call_of_duty_10

And that 7.5 didn't change the 93 metacritic score very much. Your point?

I'm calm. Often when I get intoa thread late I'll post multiple times.

[QUOTE="MultiPlatGamer1"][QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

GTFO dumbass kid.

Demonjoe93

Troll harder kid.

Boy I remember when trolling was sorta like an art.

I remember people who really trolled here in SW, all we have now are kids with elementary school responses or 20 years old guys who act like 11 years old, but oh well they are good for a few laughs at least.

Is there anyone here who can refute my statements?lordlors