The future is digital, Microsoft just fluffed Xbox One message

MS was just being too upfront and honest about it I guess ? Kinda refreshing in this game biz if ya ask me. :P

Ya might say Sony took the wimpy approach of leading from behind. :twisted:

I dunno, many think it's the future and we'll just need to move slower towards full on DD.

Any thoughts?

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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-01-desilets-the-future-is-digital-microsoft-just-fluffed-xbox-one-message

Désilets: the future is digital, Microsoft just fluffed Xbox One message

"Some people still buy CDs and vinyl, but nobody's yelling at Apple because of iTunes."

Ex-Ubisoft developer and Assassin's Creed creator Patrice Désilets has said that Microsoft was right to focus on a digital-based future for Xbox One games, but the company failed to deliver its message correctly.

Désilets, whose own blockbuster game 1666: Amsterdam is on hold after he quit Ubisoft, gave his thoughts on the lifespan of physical media, as well as Microsoft's recent U-turn on Xbox One game ownership, to Eurogamer sister site GamesIndustry International.

Ezio for you to say.

"I just think, 'come on, guys, the future is going to be digital,'" Désilets explained. "Maybe right now we don't fully understand it, so we don't know how to communicate what digital is and how it will actually work.

"I was a bit like, 'Really?' It's all going to be digital, and we're already halfway through it. I know some people still buy CDs and vinyl, but nobody's yelling at Apple because of iTunes. I just find that a bit hypocritical. Just a little bit."

Microsoft's initial vision of how Xbox One game ownership would operate was loudly rejected by the gaming community. The company's plans would have seen game discs largely redundant after a game had been installed, while the Xbox One itself would need a 24-hour online check-in to function.

"Microsoft was trying to do something [different], and yes the message wasn't the best one, and it wasn't delivered the best way," Désilets continued, "but in the end I think people will buy most games on PSN on PlayStation 4 and Xbox Live on Xbox One.

"The problem is the message, and how to deliver the message. They focused on the wrong stuff. They didn't have to mention that you needed an internet connection every 24 hours. They didn't have to do that.

"I can't be the only one seeing all of these music and game stores closing. What's the reason? People aren't going to them anymore."

Recognizing what future patterns are going to be suddenly doesn't change people's opinions on preferring cases and manuals, borrowing games, selling used games, etc., nor does it suddenly give internet to those with poor internet or those without it.

That was the issue. I still see a mix being the future for the next decade

MS tried to force DRM down our throats, the 24h online check and mandatory camera isn't needed for digital purchases.OctaBech

and kinect.

Sure the future is digital. Even I, a game collector ackowledge this. What desillets doesnt get though is that we can still lend/borrow those cds and vynils to our friends cause physical format should not have limitations. MS was imposing those limitations on physical format even though they already have them on their DD games

MS tried to force DRM down our throats, the 24h online check and mandatory camera isn't needed for digital purchases.OctaBech

Recognizing what future patterns are going to be suddenly doesn't change people's opinions on preferring cases and manuals, borrowing games, selling used games, etc., nor does it suddenly give internet to those with poor internet or those without it.

That was the issue. I still see a mix being the future for the next decade

Blabadon

"Ya might say Sony took the wimpy approach of leading from behind."

As always. No joke, the PS4 is literally a beefed up 360.

:cool:

[QUOTE="OctaBech"]MS tried to force DRM down our throats, the 24h online check and mandatory camera isn't needed for digital purchases.tdkmillsy

[QUOTE="OctaBech"]MS tried to force DRM down our throats, the 24h online check and mandatory camera isn't needed for digital purchases.tdkmillsy

MS was just being too upfront and honest about it I guess? Heil68

Up front and honest?  They fed us TV, Sports and Call of Duty on stage while slipping their DRM via press release.  Then, they try to have a field day at their E3 press conference while the letters DRM are never mentioned to hold on to your wallets but it backfires.

MS Was anything but up front about their DRM policies and it made the gamers understandably suspicious.  Then, they followed it up with dropping the ball when trying to give an explanation as to why they were doing it.  Then, they got caught up in an NSA scandal.  Then they got caught putting stupidly overspec'd PCs at their game demoes at E3.  Then, after it was all said and done, they told everyone to go buy a 360..

What was even the point of making this thread?  The reality of the situation is that MS has not a soul to blame but themselves for their fiascos.

"Ya might say Sony took the wimpy approach of leading from behind."

As always. No joke, the PS4 is literally a beefed up 360.

:cool:

 

RR360DD

When your Twitter account, head of PR and your executives all sing a different story when people ask questions about your system..

Up front, you were not.

[QUOTE="Heil68"]MS was just being too upfront and honest about it I guess? SecretPolice

Up front and honest? They fed us TV, Sports and Call of Duty on stage while slipping their DRM via press release. Then, they try to have a field day at their E3 press conference while the letters DRM are never mentioned to hold on to your wallets but it backfires.

MS Was anything but up front about their DRM policies and it made the gamers understandably suspicious. Then, they followed it up with dropping the ball when trying to give an explanation as to why they were doing it. Then, they got caught up in an NSA scandal. Then they got caught putting stupidly overspec'd PCs at their game demoes at E3. Then, after it was all said and done, they told everyone to go buy a 360..

What was even the point of making this thread? The reality of the situation is that MS has not a soul to blame but themselves for their fiascos.

Shewgenja

Anyway, ya know what, I'm a bit sorry I brought all this up as I dodn't feel like arguing it and kinda happy it's now going the way it's going but it just seemed like good SW material is all. :P

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

"Ya might say Sony took the wimpy approach of leading from behind."

As always. No joke, the PS4 is literally a beefed up 360.

:cool:

 

stereointegrity

Nah I love the 360. Will be great playing the PS4 for nostalgia reasons.

Then I'll go back to the XOne for the true next gen innovations

:cool:

Life is good when you can afford more than one console

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"]MS was just being too upfront and honest about it I guess? Heil68

MS was just being too upfront and honest about it I guess ? Kinda refreshing in this game biz if ya ask me. :P

Ya might say Sony took the wimpy approach of leading from behind. :twisted:

I dunno, many think it's the future and we'll just need to move slower towards full on DD.

Any thoughts?

The Story.

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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-01-desilets-the-future-is-digital-microsoft-just-fluffed-xbox-one-message

Désilets: the future is digital, Microsoft just fluffed Xbox One message

"Some people still buy CDs and vinyl, but nobody's yelling at Apple because of iTunes."

Ex-Ubisoft developer and Assassin's Creed creator Patrice Désilets has said that Microsoft was right to focus on a digital-based future for Xbox One games, but the company failed to deliver its message correctly.

Désilets, whose own blockbuster game 1666: Amsterdam is on hold after he quit Ubisoft, gave his thoughts on the lifespan of physical media, as well as Microsoft's recent U-turn on Xbox One game ownership, to Eurogamer sister site GamesIndustry International.

Ezio for you to say.

"I just think, 'come on, guys, the future is going to be digital,'" Désilets explained. "Maybe right now we don't fully understand it, so we don't know how to communicate what digital is and how it will actually work.

"I was a bit like, 'Really?' It's all going to be digital, and we're already halfway through it. I know some people still buy CDs and vinyl, but nobody's yelling at Apple because of iTunes. I just find that a bit hypocritical. Just a little bit."

Microsoft's initial vision of how Xbox One game ownership would operate was loudly rejected by the gaming community. The company's plans would have seen game discs largely redundant after a game had been installed, while the Xbox One itself would need a 24-hour online check-in to function.

"Microsoft was trying to do something [different], and yes the message wasn't the best one, and it wasn't delivered the best way," Désilets continued, "but in the end I think people will buy most games on PSN on PlayStation 4 and Xbox Live on Xbox One.

"The problem is the message, and how to deliver the message. They focused on the wrong stuff. They didn't have to mention that you needed an internet connection every 24 hours. They didn't have to do that.

"I can't be the only one seeing all of these music and game stores closing. What's the reason? People aren't going to them anymore."

SecretPolice

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Yup, MS was there doing the heavy lifting whilst as usual, Sony sat back let MS take all the arrows but was prepared to take full advantage of that just like how now, PS4's online is now behind a pay wall like XBL but again as usual, you have no problem with that b/c it's Sony, the one and phony. Why you such a Sony shill? Money, Swag, other? Inquiring SP's want to know. :P

SecretPolice

Can't say i give a flying fvck what diselets thinks about...well, anything. He's wrong on this, we still are not at the point where we need to rely on only digital and there's still a shit-ton of room for disk games. I still would prefer a disk if it means I don't have to check in every damn day on a fricking console. It's just not necessary at all right now.

If it means that I can't just hand my game over to a friend or just sell it at a whim anywhere and everywhere then I guess I just don't need that console the game is on. jer_1

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] Well, given who the dominated last gen with a perfect 10/10 game and unprecedented 3 GTOYS' and 2 games in the top 5 of all video game history, it's easy to see why. I've payed for Live for 7 years, now I cant pay for PSN? Why couldn't MS follow through with their plans? :( I can hear you laughing all the way over here and thus SDC. Thank you Sony. :cool: Heil68

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

Up front and honest? They fed us TV, Sports and Call of Duty on stage while slipping their DRM via press release. Then, they try to have a field day at their E3 press conference while the letters DRM are never mentioned to hold on to your wallets but it backfires.

MS Was anything but up front about their DRM policies and it made the gamers understandably suspicious. Then, they followed it up with dropping the ball when trying to give an explanation as to why they were doing it. Then, they got caught up in an NSA scandal. Then they got caught putting stupidly overspec'd PCs at their game demoes at E3. Then, after it was all said and done, they told everyone to go buy a 360..

What was even the point of making this thread? The reality of the situation is that MS has not a soul to blame but themselves for their fiascos.

SecretPolice

Anyway, ya know what, I'm a bit sorry I brought all this up as I dodn't feel like arguing it and kinda happy it's now going the way it's going but it just seemed like good SW material is all. :P

i stopped buy physical games years ago i don't give a crap about used games and online thing

We don't need always online to have this furture.

i think what they did wrong was change the disc policy. they couldve introduced a who different set of rules for people who buy dd and people who buy physical copies. eventually the dd would have won out

[QUOTE="stereointegrity"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

"Ya might say Sony took the wimpy approach of leading from behind."

As always. No joke, the PS4 is literally a beefed up 360.

:cool:

 

RR360DD

Nah I love the 360. Will be great playing the PS4 for nostalgia reasons.

Then I'll go back to the XOne for the true next gen innovations

:cool:

Life is good when you can afford more than one console

"Some people still buy CDs and vinyl, but nobody's yelling at Apple because of iTunes."

SecretPolice

The difference is CDs can be <100MBs and games can be >20GBs

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="stereointegrity"] Still buttmad I see RoOodriGowW

Nah I love the 360. Will be great playing the PS4 for nostalgia reasons.

Then I'll go back to the XOne for the true next gen innovations

:cool:

Life is good when you can afford more than one console

the hardware is almost the same with the Xone having a slightly less powerful GPU. You think the PS4 is going to be leaps and bounds above the Xone in any game? Don't delude yourself, the PS4 is a gimped mid range PC. You want hardware, then go PC only. It's the only TRUE next gen system.

There was nothing wrong with the wording of the message that Microsoft was pushing, people understood it perfectly. There is no obvious benefit for gamers to abandon the status quo. The only way that gamers would accept a digital based console would be if that resulted in cheaper games. The industry absolutely refuses to lower the price of games even if the costs of manufacturing the disks are reduced by buying games digitally. People simply saw through all of the bullcrap and realized that Microsoft was simply trying to curtail the used game market.  The entire concept was rightfully scrapped. If video game publishers aren't willing to lower the price of games bought digitally then there is no reason to expect gamers to give up used games as an alternative.

I pray that we never go completely digital with games because I like buying a game from the store on disc and feeling like I own the game.  DD just feels like im renting it and it takes up HDD space which I hate.  Not to mention, it takes forever to download full games these days even, at least until everyone can get fiber optic internet.

everything is getting digital and in the cloud, there is a difference between digital and not having rights over our things and having to ask permission to play our things.

If they went full digital go ahead, steam does it, but they do it right, why do they use the digital excuse for having to ask them permission every 24h? why i cant do w/e i want with thing i already own and paid for?

there is digital and there is them having every right over us because our things are in their servers. BIG DIFFERENCE.

Problem with Microsoft's stance is they want to have their cake and eat it too. They shouldn't expect consumers to embrace their all digital future if they don't plan to offer any the benefits that Valve gives with Steam.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

"Ya might say Sony took the wimpy approach of leading from behind."

As always. No joke, the PS4 is literally a beefed up 360.

:cool:

 

getyeryayasout

[QUOTE="RoOodriGowW"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Nah I love the 360. Will be great playing the PS4 for nostalgia reasons.

Then I'll go back to the XOne for the true next gen innovations

:cool:

Life is good when you can afford more than one console

kingtito

the hardware is almost the same with the Xone having a slightly less powerful GPU. You think the PS4 is going to be leaps and bounds above the Xone in any game? Don't delude yourself, the PS4 is a gimped mid range PC. You want hardware, then go PC only. It's the only TRUE next gen system.

The funny thing is that thing the Cows love called Playstation Plus is all digital. :lol:

The funny thing is that thing the Cows love called Playstation Plus is all digital. :lol:

xhawk27

Sony didn't attempt to do mandatory check in for games.

[QUOTE="xhawk27"]

The funny thing is that thing the Cows love called Playstation Plus is all digital. :lol:

Lionheart08

Sony didn't attempt to do mandatory check in for games.

Yeah but it does check to see if your a Playstation Plus subscriber. Also MS did the check in for the sharing feature. How many times does this have to be addressed.

Digital might be the future hell there is barely any point of putting a disk drive in PC's anymore. The being said 24 hour chekcs were not the way to go. Plus if digital is the future what is the point of getting a console in the future. A couple of exclusives and a cheaper upfront cost for the hardware. Then you have more expensive games and games that don't look as good. 

Still the only feature on the Xbox One that had me interested is the no putting the disc in the drive to play the game. Also the family sharing if it was only the whole game and not an hour timed demo. That story about the demos didn't make sense. Why do the 24 hour check-in if it's only for demos? The future is Digital, how long before it goes 100%? I don't know.