The Last Of Us Part II is gaming's Last Jedi (spoilers)

Basically, raved by critics, mixed reception by gamers. And really game critics need to learn from what happened.

Just like The Last Jedi, which was raved by critics on release, but then got a very divisive reaction among fans, poking holes at its many plot holes, logic problems, wasted side plots, and character inconsistencies. While there was some hideous attacks on those who we part of the movie, much of the criticism was fair. What does the raving critics do, ignore the criticism, try to say that fans just do not want subverted expectations, and even try to tie those who horrendously attacked Rose Tico's actress to those who simply didn't like the movie.

And in the end, the detractors won, with big helps from Mark Hamill and John Boyega. And it shows with Rise of Skywalker trying to undo the plot points of The Last Jedi. In the end, the detracting fans beat the critics, who were able to successfully define the movie as a big let down.

And yet critics simply want to stay ignorant and bitter instead of listen to the criticism of the movie.

And we have this again with The Last of Us Part II, absolutely raved by critics, divisive with gamers, who poked holes at is many problems, nevermind its deceptive marketing campaign, lies by the director, and questionable social content. Abby being playable is being so terribly received, people comment wanting her dying to Ellie at the end of her playable section to be the ending, not a game over. And here comes the critics (and others who like the game), trying to lump anyone who did not like to the game to gamergate or those idiots who launched hideous attacks on Abby's VA Laura Bailey, or Neil Druckmann, and making an ass of themselves on Twitter.

And if TLOU 2 wins GOTY awards over a Cyberpunk if it didn't disappoint, or another mega PS exclusive, Ghost of Tsushima (which is being better received by games than critics), this will get toxic.

I dislike TLOU 2, its got so many contrivances, relies to much on shock violence (and its marketing campaign was sickening and contradictory to what the games message is supposed to be), made a huge mistake in forcing you to play as the unlikeable antagonist (and not in a good way), has pacing issues, and haphazardly features LGBTQ content that not only makes it easy to attack from alt right trolls, but faces criticism from the left as well. Its not because Joel dies, or that the story is dark, or that it "subverted expectations". Its just that its not very good.

And its not just metacritic users (which is now basically compromised by alt right trolls and console warriors), user scores are lower than AAA average everywhere, even compared to other games that had some divisive feedback.

Instead of continuing to rave and trash detractors (unless they deserve it), game critics should look at why the game is being less well received by gamers. Its not about politics, its just that they do not like aspects of the story or the gameplay and they make valid points that should be listened to, not ignored or belittled.

We’ve moved on to complaining about next gen consoles dude. Time to let this go.

Never saw the last jedi or any of the new star wars movies since Disney acquired the franchise. TLOU2 is easily the best game made by ND. Nothing else is needed to be added to the conversation.

I wouldn't mind an M rated UC game where Drake gets killed, cut in pieces and eaten by some savage clan in a Jungle.

I've no interest in such a divisive title personally, but I'm told the gameplay is great. The over-the-top violence and Neil Cuckman imposing himself in the game in such a vulgar fashion turned me off of it.

Its the best game made from ND? nah not even close, Way of the Warrior is still they're best game, which says a lot about ND.

You don't play anything other than Forza. Can't take you serious 😒

@briguyb13: can’t you just turn off the gore? Obviously just gameplay gore. Also what was vulgar about the Dr. Uckmann card? Was there something I missed?

Just want to point out that the result of fans "winning" was Rise of Skywalker. If your annalogy holds true, TLoU3 is gonna be quite the shitshow.

He put himself in the game, like Peter Jackson did with LoTR, only Neil's creepy ass is having sex with that buff chick in a van. Dude has some real issues if you've ever read any of his twitter comments you know it to be true.

Just no.

Damn y'all have some fuckedup ideas floating in your heads.

Yeah, they're both lame.

@judaspete: oh god please no. Rise of the Skywalker was unbearable, Last Jedi was bad but Rise was pure garbage. I have a friend that liked it and even he can’t defend it beyond Rey is cool.

Alright I did some digging and I found the part you’re referring to and I have to inform you that you incorrect. People jumped to this conclusion before the game came out and it’s false.

Here's where fans actually won.

Its not good, but its better than The Last Jedi

The Last Jedi forced Rise of Skywalker to do too much.

Thought it was a terrific game and it only gets better the more you replay sections and see how it has some of the best level design in recent times. I really enjoyed the story too.

This is a very fresh take, it's just the 37th time I read this comparison online.

My issue with the game was that women should be in the kitchen and I prefer my zombie movies to be realistic.

To each of it's own I guess.
Even tho I recognize where TLOU2 falls short, it's in no way a bad game.
Also I didn't have any issue playing as Abby and tbh can't understand why so many ppl had STRONG hatred towards her.
Won't even go into threats and vulgarity spewn towards Laura Bailey.

Because she shows little remorse, and the writers rely on manipulation instead of good character writing to get players to try and be sympathetic to her.

She just was not well executed. And really the story itself wasn't well executed.

Did not like the supporting cast either, unlike the first game.

Um she killed the main dude in the game that cows loved from the first game and then forces you play her for hours on end to learn her story.

Not sure how you missed that lol.

@texasgoldrush: I agree. I didn't even buy the game and instead opted to buy Ghost of Tsushima and loving every moment and encounter.

Its sad that Last of Us 2 is in a sorry state with unsold copies just sitting at major retailers. I think as per Sony's internal sales forecast, it didn't, and for sure, won't meet the sales expectations.

Even a giant can be tripped by a pebble.

He probably didn't actually play it. He's just telling you what he thinks will make his woke friends like him more.

I have not finished it yet, probably about 1/3 into the game but I am really enjoying it.

I'll be honest , I'm not entirely sure if I saw The Last Jedi or not. If I did , nothing really stuck with me. I think Luke dies at the end (disappears) ???

Overall , I loved it.

• The events of the first game actually mattered , and there were consequences.
• I was prepared after the first few trailers and understood the gravity and how emotionally challenging it would be.
• I wasn't influenced by spoilers , negativity from anti-SJWs , outrage culture , sexists , homophobic people , the inclusiveness , dog killing , religion , muscles on women , the women not being attractive enough , or anything like that.
• It was refreshing to see that some character deaths don't always go with a heroic ending. It can be abrupt , brutal , or messy. People also make mistakes. Joel , Ellie , and a bunch of other characters made mistakes in the first game but cheated death (or fell). It's a brutal world.Tomorrow isn't guaranteed for anyone , even "veterans"
• It was very ballsy having you play as Abby , and it was even crazier to put the player in really messed up gameplay situations. As hard as it was to play those ''boss battles'' initially , I'm glad they went this route. You just have to let go in those moments (see the point of view from the characters) and put your faith in Naughty Dog (as hard as it was). It really makes the game stand out from others and it certainly made me feel and think.
• The game really makes you feel and think - violence , surviving , anger , empathy , perspective , love , loss , forgiveness , obsession , vengeance , trauma , PTSD , survivor's guilt , relationships , etc.
• I liked a lot of the new characters , Dina , Lev , Yara , Jesse , etc. As wll as the old.
• I really enjoyed the gameplay and the brutality of it. And the new additions - Dodging , going prone , silencers , swimming during combat , etc.
• I really liked the level design and scenarios , and the atmosphere.
• I really liked a lot of the sweet and funny moments in the game , and the flashbacks. It was nice to get some breaks and time with the characters and to follow along and try and fit all the pieces together.
• Outstanding production - graphics , animations , sound design , direction , voice acting , etc.

Emotional. Impactful. Unforgettable.

One of the generations best. I really enjoy watching others play as well , to see their heatbreak , anger , or frustrations and how they deal with it all. It really shines a light on people's varying degrees of empathy , maturity , mentality , perspectives , etc. It's fascinating.

Lmao, everyone here is talking about Last Jedi, nobody gives a crap about "The Woke of Us 2." I guess they're not as similar as you might think.

I'm starting to think it's all just an intentional PR move to create a big controversy.

No, it didn't force them to do too much. Abrams and the producers could have continued from Last Jedi's direction instead of trying to undo it, which made it worse. Make Kylo Ren the main antagonist instead of replacing Snoke with Palpatine. Keep Rey as not related to anyone. Last Jedi didn't force them to write such a mess of a story. Disney should have spent another year writing the sequel trilogy, because it felt lazy right from the beginning. Blows my mind that everybody wants to blame Last Jedi when Abrams did such a shit job expanding on the original trilogy. He didn't leave Rian Johnson much. Because of how he ended the trilogy, I'll never watch any of the sequels again.

Abby was okay for the most parts but poorly executed and should have waited towards the end to do worst thing we all hated. Overall, Abby is basically Negan from The Walking Dead.

However, Kylo Ren is not main antagonist material, second, Palpatine being the villainy again makes it so he is the villain in all 9 movies. And Rey being a Palpatine actually solves her Mary Sue problem.

Rise of Skywalker was a mess, yes, but its The Last Jedi that set them up to fail. The Last Jedi led them into a corner that Abrams was forced to backtrack to get out of.

Really good takedown of this games writing.

but yet you guys have played it to give a review of this game. the gameplay is the best in any game in a long time. the level design is top notch to.

remember xbox fans gameplay first then story. but of course when it comes to last of us 2 its the story thats more important to you guys.

the gameplay has been praised just like ghost.

if joel did not die this be the number one game because of the gameplay. i know ip_daily going to say the gameplay sucks because i have not played it.

The death of Joel I feel just hit too hard for many people. Many say it was a bad thing to play as Abby to try to get you to sympathize with her yet many people did wind up sympathizing with her. Some made the connection with Abby and others didn't and that's what anger does. Anger clouds people's judgement and doesn't let you see things from others perspective. Anger isn't always a bad thing though so its not like we're in the wrong for being upset its just that there has to be a way to subdue our anger. If anyone intends on staying angry no mater what then its blind rage which is never helpful.

Absolutely. Noticed how well designed the levels are on my second playthrough. Awesome game. Really enjoyed it.

the trolling here is getting sad

you've never even played either game guaranteed LOL

I_P is missing everything that comes out but racing games. Can never take him serious.

In all seriousness and back on topic, TLOU II is one of the best Naughty Dog games, gameplay-wise. I couldn't put it down and finished it in like three days. Fantastic areas for exploration and combat throughout the whole game. Santa Barbara/Seattle being the best

Santa Barbara was awesome. My fav levels. And gameplay wise, to me this was better than anything they've done, and by far. Nothing else approaches it. Everyone is laughing at the story, while me, i was more hooked to it wanting to know what's next than anything released this gen, or at least i can't think of another game that got me this invested in. So to me this game has no negatives, including its length which was a huge positive to me.

Same I don't think a game has had my undivided attention like TLOU II in a long while. Like I said, couldn't put it down. Completed in three days. Loved all of the gameplay sections. It was like night and day compared to the first TLOU.

Game could of ended right before Santa Barbara and it still would of been great. Having the Santa Barbara portion there as well really erased any doubt in my mind that this game was GotG material. The nay endless waves of soldiers was brutal and somewhat ridiculous especially on survivor mode. Think I remember just running in circles planting bombs.

I'm agree that TLOU 2 was divisive to say the least ... the first one is definitely among my favorite games last gen but this one is just ... divisive.

My issues have nothing to do with the "controversy", i couldn't care any less about buff chicks or sex scenes, hell not even the big shock at the beginning is what made me dislike this game.

My issue is the plot, how forced it is, how much the characters changed for the sake of the plot and how little resolution it had in the end, how thick the plot armor is to keep moving the story. How little development Abby had (petting a dog and having sex is not character development) and again, just how forced it felt.

I really think Neil Druckman is to blame here ... he wanted to create something controversial and apparently shocking, and for me it didn't succeeded, quite the contrary in fact, it made everything kind of lame.

No doubt is my most disappointing game this gen ... and have in mind we got Mass Effect Andromeda as well.

Agree, which is why her character development was so much more than that. I dont see how anyone can argue Abby had little character development. Almost literally half the game which is what people had a problem with. Many people acknowledge she gets plenty of character development but the problem is people STILL wanted her to be killed because of how upset they were that she killed Joel. Abby was irredeemable the moment the golf club hit so it didnt matter how much character development she got.

Not really. Abby was poorly introduced and developed, she didn't feel tragic, nor charismatic, just forced into the story.

If she were as carefully crafted as Ellie was on the first game, her clash at the end would have been so much meaninful, hell i even dare to say that a true shocking resolution would have been for you to choose who to play with, Ellie or Abby and who died and lived ... but honestly, there wasn't any reason to choose Abby over Ellie if given the choice.

Regardless, Abby is far from the only problem, ... plot armor, dumb choices and forced story gets in the way more often than not.

So that stuff that was shown was fake?

@briguyb13: Its a different character. Not the one people said Neil inserted himself as.

So if you're still upset about the sex scene itself I can understand that. But many forms of entertainment do stuff like that so you'd have to have a problem with a ton of media.

Ellie was also forced into the story in the first game. They killed off Joel's daughter and then have this insane set of circumstances to have joel travel with her who looks similar and is nearly the same age. I know Abby isn't the sole problem people have but people's hatred with Abby is the most common and I would like to understand why or get some good reasons to.

Wow, you wasted a lot of time on that.

I loved it, and I don't give a **** who cares.

Nor should you.

Last Jedi is balls though lol.

Eh. I got the impression most people liked it well enough.

Though I must admit I thought it would make a bigger impression. People didn't really talk about it once it was out. Sort of came and went.

*nods*

It's funny because it's true.