The Last Remnant- Flaws are Extremely Exaggerated

I don't normally post in these forums, but I do read them quite oftenly. Anyway, I was enticed to create an account and post due to the Last Remnant review. It got a 6.5; however, it is described as "what could be an instant classic" if it weren't for the technical issues.

This has me scratching my head after playing it for around 6 hours or so. Is this the same version as the review version? Is there some pop up? Yes. Most notably in battle, but that's mainly describing the monsters fading in and out (though not completely). I don't know how else t describe it, but it's not really bad at all when it comes to technical issues. It's most certainly better in this regard than most any WRPG. And then if you install it, it even lessens this.

Just thought I'd throw that out there. It's a very good game and is really starting to put my confidence back into Square-Enix (although the last true game they've made was on the Ps2). Don't let the low review score sway you off. The issues seemed to be resolved, or just not present anymore, especially (again) when installed.

Maybe it only occurs after a point?But then again, that's contrary to the review. Anyone have videos perhaps? I checked to see if I had a super-xbox but youtube videos of other's games seem to have little issues as well.

Jees, I swear, Kevin VanOrd just finds reasons to bring the score of a rpg down. (that's a joke, although kind of true)

* This is coming from a guy who didn't see technical issues in lost odyssey either aside from some framerate slow down during cutscenes. Same goes for Ninja Gaiden 2 aside from some certain spots (that staircase about 4/5ths through the game comes to mind)

---> As far as other reviews go, it seems like many of them simply dislikit because it's not Final Fantasy (although the feel of it resembles 12 so closely). One reviewer even went as far as to say it straight up, not only referencing it, but saying it quite literally:

"Even though it's easy to assume at a quick glance that fresh IP The Last Remnant is a direct descendant of the Final Fantasy series, it really isn't at all. Yes, they come from the same dev house, are both turn based and share similar, dream-like worlds and characters, but dig deeper and you'll find that these titles aren't even for like audiences, let alone similar in design. In fact, many of the aspects of The Last Remnant that try to skew it toward a certain demographic (read: different than the FF faithful) are the ones that make Square's new property a bit of a letdown. "-- Team Xbox

*** if anyone else who has the game would like to comment, that'd be very welcomed.

I'm hoping that the technical problems are ironed out for the most part when the PS3 version releases, because I'm hoping that this the JRPG I can finally get into. I found the Eternal Sonata demo to be extremely dull, I cannot overlook the fact that there's no exploration in Valkyria Chronciles, Diseaga's presentation just doesn't do it for me, etc. If I don't like the Last Remnant or White Knight Chronicles and FF13 proves to be just like FFX, I give up on JRPG's. Tragic_Kingdom7

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I'm hoping that the technical problems are ironed out for the most part when the PS3 version releases, because I'm hoping that this the JRPG I can finally get into. I found the Eternal Sonata demo to be extremely dull, I cannot overlook the fact that there's no exploration in Valkyria Chronciles, Diseaga's presentation just doesn't do it for me, etc. If I don't like the Last Remnant or White Knight Chronicles and FF13 proves to be just like FFX, I give up on JRPG's. Tragic_Kingdom7

Anyway, in my opinion, Eternal Sonata is pretty bad. It's actually how you guys view Blue Dragon on these boards. (which I think is an awesome game, contrary to this place's mentality).

I'd reccommend these jrpgs: Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia, Last Remnant

Stay away from Eternal Sonata. Infinite Undiscovery is better than what reviewers credited it for, but not really anything special. I'm not that far into it however. That's basically covering all the higher profile jrpgs that are out (and yes, I mean jrpgs, not srpgs like disagea or valkyria chronicles- different audience).

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]I'm hoping that the technical problems are ironed out for the most part when the PS3 version releases, because I'm hoping that this the JRPG I can finally get into. I found the Eternal Sonata demo to be extremely dull, I cannot overlook the fact that there's no exploration in Valkyria Chronciles, Diseaga's presentation just doesn't do it for me, etc. If I don't like the Last Remnant or White Knight Chronicles and FF13 proves to be just like FFX, I give up on JRPG's. too_much_eslim

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]I'm hoping that the technical problems are ironed out for the most part when the PS3 version releases, because I'm hoping that this the JRPG I can finally get into. I found the Eternal Sonata demo to be extremely dull, I cannot overlook the fact that there's no exploration in Valkyria Chronciles, Diseaga's presentation just doesn't do it for me, etc. If I don't like the Last Remnant or White Knight Chronicles and FF13 proves to be just like FFX, I give up on JRPG's. too_much_eslim

I might be getting a 360 some time next year, so I might check some of these out. Money is tight right now, so its hard to find any to even buy a 200$ system, but if I can get a hold of a 360, I'll give some of those a try. And Star Ocean.

TC, I am waiting for more reviews to come in, however, this generation of RPG's have been incredibly underpar.

It's possible people weened on lackluster RPG's this generation like Lost Odysse, Blue Dragon, and Eternal Sonata (Even the improved PS3 version) may like Last Remnant a whole lot, but people weened on Fantastic RPG's may find this game to be merely average to above average.

OR

Other Websites/Magazines will agree with you and GS underated it.

It comes down to experience, and there are Newer, YOUNGEr gamers that are FAR MORE forgiving with the SLOP this generation has given us, because they lack experience.

In the end, we shall see.

Did you not just read what I wrote?BanjoKazooieRPG

I did. I'm just hoping they can get rid of as much of the pop-up and framerate problems as possible before the later release. It really doesn't take all that much pop-up at all to make a game experience annoying for me. The only reason I tolerated the pop-up in GTAIV is because I'm a huge GTA fan.

TC, I am waiting for more reviews to come in, however, this generation of RPG's have been incredibly underpar.

It's possible people weened on lackluster RPG's this generation like Lost Odysse, Blue Dragon, and Eternal Sonata (Even the improved PS3 version) may like Last Remnant a whole lot, but people weened on Fantastic RPG's may find this game to be merely average to above average.

OR

Other Websites/Magazines will agree with you and GS underated it.

It comes down to experience, and there are Newer, YOUNGEr gamers that are FAR MORE forgiving with the SLOP this generation has given us, because they lack experience.

In the end, we shall see.

SolidTy

Ive been gaming over 20 years and i LOVED Lost Odyssey, it was a fantastic rpg imo. The Witcher is also another fantastic rpg from this gen. No i dont need more EXPERIENCE, as ive been gamign for a very long time. Lost Odyssey had a fantatsic story, maybe thats something you cant appreciate. BUt Lost Odyssey, The Witcher and Tales Of Vesperia are all fantastic rpgs from this gen imo.

I'm hoping that the technical problems are ironed out for the most part when the PS3 version releases, because I'm hoping that this the JRPG I can finally get into. I found the Eternal Sonata demo to be extremely dull, I cannot overlook the fact that there's no exploration in Valkyria Chronciles, Diseaga's presentation just doesn't do it for me, etc. If I don't like the Last Remnant or White Knight Chronicles and FF13 proves to be just like FFX, I give up on JRPG's. Tragic_Kingdom7

TC, I am waiting for more reviews to come in, however, this generation of RPG's have been incredibly underpar.

It's possible people weened on lackluster RPG's this generation like Lost Odysse, Blue Dragon, and Eternal Sonata (Even the improved PS3 version) may like Last Remnant a whole lot, but people weened on Fantastic RPG's may find this game to be merely average to above average.

OR

Other Websites/Magazines will agree with you and GS underated it.

It comes down to experience, and there are Newer, YOUNGEr gamers that are FAR MORE forgiving with the SLOP this generation has given us, because they lack experience.

In the end, we shall see.

SolidTy

And Ty, I sincerely doubt you've played more JRPGs than me. Seriously. Granted I didn't get into them until the SNES and I did not get to play all the JRPG that I wanted to there and by the time I got into them some of them were impossible to find and the internet, well, it barely existed back then (a joke, but sort of not).

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

TC, I am waiting for more reviews to come in, however, this generation of RPG's have been incredibly underpar.

It's possible people weened on lackluster RPG's this generation like Lost Odysse, Blue Dragon, and Eternal Sonata (Even the improved PS3 version) may like Last Remnant a whole lot, but people weened on Fantastic RPG's may find this game to be merely average to above average.

OR

Other Websites/Magazines will agree with you and GS underated it.

It comes down to experience, and there are Newer, YOUNGEr gamers that are FAR MORE forgiving with the SLOP this generation has given us, because they lack experience.

In the end, we shall see.

kozzy1234

Ive been gaming over 20 years and i LOVED Lost Odyssey, it was a fantastic rpg imo. The Witcher is also another fantastic rpg from this gen. No i dont need more EXPERIENCE, as ive been gamign for a very long time. Lost Odyssey had a fantatsic story, maybe thats something you cant appreciate. BUt Lost Odyssey, The Witcher and Tales Of Vesperia are all fantastic rpgs from this gen imo.

It doesn't matter if you've been gaming a long time, it matters if you've been RPG gaming a long time. If you have played all of the great NES/Genesis/SNES/Saturn/PSone/PS2/GC JRPG's and loved LO, then good for you. After the first disc, the game was Boring as heck, and the story couldn't have been more CLICHE if they tried. I though GS overated it personally, but now I own it.Tales is a good game, and the best game this generation, but when games like Persona 3 totally destroy it, it tells you the state of JRPG gaming.

Don't get me wrong, LO wasn't terrible, just boring and been there and done that. Witcher is good, but that's not a JRPG at all(I'm talking about Jrpg's and Consoles), I don't know what that was even brought up.

So essentially, after 3 years of Xbox 360 gaming, you like 2 JRP's...that's not good, as a JRPG fan. Thank god you like shooters like myself, eh?

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After the first disc, the game was Boring as heck, and the story couldn't have been more CLICHE if they tried.>SolidTy

I'm not arguing score here, but I'm just informing the people who are into these games that these issues aren't here.

As you can see, I'm typing in bold in hope to get this across your thick skull. Maybe bold font is the key to the supremicist's mind?

And anyway, even if this is someone's first jrpg and they like it, so what? Then they like it. Understand? A game doesn't have to be universally liked to enjoy that, something that JRPG fans understand more than enough.

Uncharted and Ratchet's "bad" things are also highly exaggerated. Deal with it.angry_fork

I hate sassy posts like this. The TC feels like more people might go out and experience this game if he tells them that the pop-up is not so bad. There's nothing wrong with this. "Deal with it" has to be one of the most annoying, inflammatory phrases on System Wars.

BTW, I thought GameSpot was pretty dead-on with their main criticisism of Uncharted. There was indeed a weird inbalance between the ease of the platforming and difficulty of the gunplay. However, they still gave that game a deservedly good score.

[QUOTE="angry_fork"]Uncharted and Ratchet's "bad" things are also highly exaggerated. Deal with it.Tragic_Kingdom7

I hate sassy posts like this. The TC feels like more people might go out and experience this game if he tells them that the pop-up is not so bad. There's nothing wrong with this. "Deal with it" has to be one of the most annoying, inflammatory phrases on System Wars.

BTW, I thought GameSpot was pretty dead-on with their main criticisism of Uncharted. There was indeed a weird inbalance between the ease of the platforming and difficulty of the gunplay. However, they still gave that game a deservedly good score.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

TC, I am waiting for more reviews to come in, however, this generation of RPG's have been incredibly underpar.

It's possible people weened on lackluster RPG's this generation like Lost Odysse, Blue Dragon, and Eternal Sonata (Even the improved PS3 version) may like Last Remnant a whole lot, but people weened on Fantastic RPG's may find this game to be merely average to above average.

OR

Other Websites/Magazines will agree with you and GS underated it.

It comes down to experience, and there are Newer, YOUNGEr gamers that are FAR MORE forgiving with the SLOP this generation has given us, because they lack experience.

In the end, we shall see.

BanjoKazooieRPG

And Ty, I sincerely doubt you've played more JRPGs than me. Seriously. Granted I didn't get into them until the SNES and I did not get to play all the JRPG that I wanted to there and by the time I got into them some of them were impossible to find and the internet, well, it barely existed back then (a joke, but sort of not).

I sincerely doubt you played close to as many RPG's as me, lol. I still own every RPG On PSOne, I didn't rent any of them, I still own the Original Final Fantasy I bought for my NES with it's book and  box. I have the Dragon Warrior 1-3. Maybe you just play RPG's so much, that you love them for being around.

Anyways, you said that you've been reading my mentalities? What or when did you read those? I don't mind Random Battles, but I do like the Star Ocean/Tales/ChronoTrigger/Chronocross/Xenosaga way, better. That being said, Random Battles are needed to level up, what I do dislike is spending the Hours leveling up that I do in every single one. There has to be a better way. As far as LO's story was concerned, there was nothing emotional about it, it failed to capture me, but I did like it far more than Blue Dragon. I think you may be far more forgiving on RPG's than you let on. If someone is a HARDCORE Jrpg fan, they will do what I did and buy all these games, but I still have an opinion, and I can't help that I played a catalogue of better RPG's. 

In fact, Lost Remnant and Valkeria PS3 (and Tales Symphonia for Wii) are the only JRPG I haven't picked up yet this gen (because they all recently came out), but that's only because I can't buy anymore games, or people wont' know hwat to buy me in the coming months.

REMEMBER, I also said that you may be right, and Mags/Sites will agree with You, and GS was wrong, that remains to be seen.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][

After the first disc, the game was Boring as heck, and the story couldn't have been more CLICHE if they tried.>BanjoKazooieRPG

I'm not arguing score here, but I'm just informing the people who are into these games that these issues aren't here.

As you can see, I'm typing in bold in hope to get this across your thick skull. Maybe bold font is the key to the supremicist's mind?

And anyway, even if this is someone's first jrpg and they like it, so what? Then they like it. Understand? A game doesn't have to be universally liked to enjoy that, something that JRPG fans understand more than enough.

There's alot of us who agree with him though. In my opinion the story ended up going nowhere and Gongorra is one of the worst Villain's ever to star a jrpg :/

Here's my take on the cast:

Kaim: Ok, but a bit bland.

Seth: I probably liked her best.

Sarah: I had to look up her name just now. That's how much she impressed me.

Ming: I hate that veiny breasted whore.

Cooke: Only positive thing I can say about her is that I hate Mack more.

Mack: See Cooke.

Tolten: Oh dear.....

Sed: I actually sort of liked him. Seth's son, guess that explains it.

Gongorra: This guy saw Disney's "Beaty and the Beast" and decided he liked Gaston. Also known as Dark Hercules. He would probably have fitted the role of funny henchman for bad guy nr. 2 in a jrpg (bad guy nr. 2 is the one that gets offed on disc 2 to make way for the true evil). Suppose they got me there. I really thought he'd bugger off to make way for someone proper.

Sry if I'm being offensive but my inner troll got the best of me.

If you enjoy it, that's cool but for me it went:

Semi borish start (most rpg's are like this, need time to build up the plot) ---> Thing's are getting intense ---> Guess I'll go troll on my pc.

I don't care if their exaggerated!!!!! This Squire, know for their quality. A Squire game should not have this bad of tech issues in their games.dreman999

[QUOTE="BanjoKazooieRPG"][QUOTE="SolidTy"][

After the first disc, the game was Boring as heck, and the story couldn't have been more CLICHE if they tried.>Mlauthemighty

I'm not arguing score here, but I'm just informing the people who are into these games that these issues aren't here.

As you can see, I'm typing in bold in hope to get this across your thick skull. Maybe bold font is the key to the supremicist's mind?

And anyway, even if this is someone's first jrpg and they like it, so what? Then they like it. Understand? A game doesn't have to be universally liked to enjoy that, something that JRPG fans understand more than enough.

There's alot of us who agree with him though. In my opinion the story ended up going nowhere and Gongorra is one of the worst Villain's ever to star a jrpg :/

Here's my take on the cast:

Kaim: Ok, but a bit bland.

Seth: I probably liked her best.

Sarah: I had to look up her name just now. That's how much she impressed me.

Ming: I hate that veiny breasted whore.

Cooke: Only positive thing I can say about her is that I hate Mack more.

Mack: See Cooke.

Tolten: Oh dear.....

Sed: I actually sort of liked him. Seth's son, guess that explains it.

Gongorra: This guy saw Disney's "Beaty and the Beast" and decided he liked Gaston. Also known as Dark Hercules. He would probably have fitted the role of funny henchman for bad guy nr. 2 in a jrpg (bad guy nr. 2 is the one that gets offed on disc 2 to make way for the true evil). Suppose they got me there. I really thought he'd bugger off to make way for someone proper.

Sry if I'm being offensive but my inner troll got the best of me.

If you enjoy it, that's cool but for me it went:

Semi borish start (most rpg's are like this, need time to build up the plot) ---> Thing's are getting intense ---> Guess I'll go troll on my pc.

And anyway, I finally understad why the giantbomb forums say "let's not let this become system wars". This place is awful. I made a post about how the Last Remnant's main issue is fine in the final version and instead this becomes a "jrpgs suck" debate?

Seriously, I don't like to say this, but GTFO.

You're both forgetting different people have different opinions. My favorite genre has been JRPGs for the past 15 years and want to know what my favorite JRPG this gen is?

Eternal Sonata! Fantastic story and characters, even though the rpg elements were pretty simple and the game was short.

My least favorite?

Vesperia! I don't understand what the big deal is with the Tales series. I find the series has gotten stale, and the characters and storyline are kind of boring.

While I obviously cannot argue with your "I hated X character" points, how do you find Kaim to be bland? He's one of the more deeper personalities in games since a while. Or did you not read the dreams and wouldn't be able to realize the significance of some of the in game actions?BanjoKazooieRPG

I read the dreams. Would've prefered a more direct approach. Sure they added lots of depth to him but they completely failed to make me emphatize with the character I was controlling. Oh well, at least he was'nt a 14 year old super soldier (Always perplexes me why jrpg heroes tend to be superpowered incredikids with vast untapped potential and issues from top to toe). 

[QUOTE="BanjoKazooieRPG"]

While I obviously cannot argue with your "I hated X character" points, how do you find Kaim to be bland? He's one of the more deeper personalities in games since a while. Or did you not read the dreams and wouldn't be able to realize the significance of some of the in game actions?Mlauthemighty

I read the dreams. Would've prefered a more direct approach. Sure they added lots of depth to him but they completely failed to make me emphatize with the character I was controlling. Oh well, at least he was'nt a 14 year old super soldier (Always perplexes me why jrpg heroes tend to be superpowered incredikids with vast untapped potential and issues from top to toe).

Just making sure you weren't saying that he's the flat emotionless character you find in lots of jrpgs, because he's not a cardboard cut out character in any way.

[QUOTE="Mlauthemighty"][QUOTE="BanjoKazooieRPG"]

While I obviously cannot argue with your "I hated X character" points, how do you find Kaim to be bland? He's one of the more deeper personalities in games since a while. Or did you not read the dreams and wouldn't be able to realize the significance of some of the in game actions?BanjoKazooieRPG

I read the dreams. Would've prefered a more direct approach. Sure they added lots of depth to him but they completely failed to make me emphatize with the character I was controlling. Oh well, at least he was'nt a 14 year old super soldier (Always perplexes me why jrpg heroes tend to be superpowered incredikids with vast untapped potential and issues from top to toe). 

Think I came off as overly negative about the game. There's lots of positives in it and yes, I very much appreciated Kaim's growth throughout the game. I just ended up feeling that the story as whole was going nowhere.

And, having read manga, seen anime and played a lot of jrpg's I've grown to accept a lot of things as a matter of me having a culture, heck even appreciate some of it.

But Gongorra is unforgivable.

So you have every jrpg ever created since the PS1? I really want a picture Anyway, why can't you just accept that some people like different games from you? And why do you have a jackass mentality? And why do you act like such a "1337" when I'm telling people that the technical issues in a game are ironed out? Seriously? BanjoKazooieRPG

I do accept people like different games than me, why can't you accept that not everyone will agree with your assessment of Last Remnant? I also specifically gave you the benefit of the doubt, saying it's possible GS was too harsh, but that remains to be seen.

Furthermore,  I am not acting like a Leet, I'm only articulating the way I feel, the very same thing you do. If my opinion is a stark contrast to yours, sorry, but I'm not you. We are all people with different tastes.

Finally,my point is this Generation is quite poor with JRPG's, compared to any other generation in the past. It's my opinion, and I don't know the reason why, but perhaps it has to do with the 360 leading this generation and not getting enough Japanese support, so many are waiting. Either way, as a JRPG gamer, I don't think the quality is anywhere near good yet. Also, note, that I never called you anything. Are you BenX because you seem to think you know my posts, but you are new.

[QUOTE="BanjoKazooieRPG"] So you have every jrpg ever created since the PS1? I really want a picture Anyway, why can't you just accept that some people like different games from you? And why do you have a jackass mentality? And why do you act like such a "1337" when I'm telling people that the technical issues in a game are ironed out? Seriously? SolidTy

I do accept people like different games than me, why can't you accept that not everyone will agree with your assessment of Last Remnant? I also specifically gave you the benefit of the doubt, saying it's possible GS was too harsh, but that remains to be seen.

Furthermore,  I am not acting like a Leet, I'm only articulating the way I feel, the very same thing you do. If my opinion is a stark contrast to yours, sorry, but I'm not you. We are all people with different tastes.

Finally,my point is this Generation is quite poor with JRPG's, compared to any other generation in the past. It's my opinion, and I don't know the reason why, but perhaps it has to do with the 360 leading this generation and not getting enough Japanese support, so many are waiting. Either way, as a JRPG gamer, I don't think the quality is anywhere near good yet. Also, note, that I never called you anything. Are you BenX because you seem to think you know my posts, but you are new.