The legitimate flops of next gen so far

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#1 Nike_Air
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Motorstorm - still fun though

Crackdown - still fun though

Zelda - still great though

Super Paper mario - still cool though 

Red Steel - :lol: 

 

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#2 masterpinky2000
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I'd say only 1 flop there, in Red Steel.  If the other games had decent critical reception and sales, how are they flops?
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#3 Phanrang
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I wouldn't call Zelda and Paper Mario a flop. Red Steel on the other hand was a major ownage, people were hyping beyond heavens.
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#4 Nike_Air
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I'd say only 1 flop there, in Red Steel. If the other games had decent critical reception and sales, how are they flops?masterpinky2000
Based on SW hype.

 

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[QUOTE="masterpinky2000"]I'd say only 1 flop there, in Red Steel. If the other games had decent critical reception and sales, how are they flops?Nike_Air

Based on SW hype.

 

 

then everything is a flop, people are hyping every single game AAA in here. 

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resistance
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#7 phatkav
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How was the hype for Red Steel? I wan't much of a forum guy when it was released.
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#8 Grive
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How was the hype for Red Steel? I wan't much of a forum guy when it was released. phatkav

Some will try to deny it, but it was pretty much the game that was gonna validate the Wii.

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[QUOTE="phatkav"]How was the hype for Red Steel? I wan't much of a forum guy when it was released. Grive

Some will try to deny it, but it was pretty much the game that was gonna validate the Wii.

I also heard some hyped the game to be Halo killer. Is that true? 

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#10 blurb1324
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Was Crackdown hyped AA? Or just A?
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I saw a lot of 9.3's for Crackdown's hype.
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#12 lawlessx
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Was Crackdown hyped AA? Or just A?blurb1324

it was hyped low AA and got a high A.

why isnt resistance up there? 

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[QUOTE="blurb1324"]Was Crackdown hyped AA? Or just A?lawlessx

it was hyped low AA and got a high A.

why isnt resistance up there?

The same reason Lost Planet isn't up there. 

 

 

 

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[QUOTE="lawlessx"]

[QUOTE="blurb1324"]Was Crackdown hyped AA? Or just A?Nike_Air

it was hyped low AA and got a high A.

why isnt resistance up there?

The same reason Lost Planet isn't up there. 

Lost Planet was only hyped AAA very early on, when the reviews started coming in the majority had been hyping it AA for weeks.
Resistance however was hyped AAA, GOTY and the game that would make GeoW look like rubbish next to it right up to it's release.

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[QUOTE="lawlessx"]

[QUOTE="blurb1324"]Was Crackdown hyped AA? Or just A?Nike_Air

it was hyped low AA and got a high A.

why isnt resistance up there?

The same reason Lost Planet isn't up there.

 

 

 

and what reason is that? lost planet was at first hyped AAA when first shown..and hype changed months before its actual release..resistance,on the other hand, was hyped AAA and to be a gears of war/halo killer. 

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Was Crackdown hyped AA? Or just A?blurb1324

 

Crackdown was officially hyped AA. 

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[QUOTE="Nike_Air"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

[QUOTE="blurb1324"]Was Crackdown hyped AA? Or just A?lawlessx

it was hyped low AA and got a high A.

why isnt resistance up there?

The same reason Lost Planet isn't up there.

 

 

 

and what reason is that? lost planet was at first hyped AAA when first shown..and hype changed months before its actual release..resistance,on the other hand, was hyped AAA and to be a gears of war/halo killer. 

Thing is most people don't take what cows hype seriously anymore. If you hold a gun, its in a first person perspective, and it's exclusive to PS(whatever), it's automatically a "Halo killer."

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#18 jimbob9999
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Thing is most people don't take what cows hype seriously anymore. If you hold a gun, its in a first person perspective, and it's exclusive to PS(whatever), it's automatically a "Halo killer."AHUGECAT


Even so, Resistance showed promise, and it's a solid AA title.
It's not as if it was a stupid game to hype, and seeing as it's the only thing Sony could try to counter Gears with cows decided to hype it to high heaven, Resistance flopped and had it been on the 360 lemmings would probably have hyped it fairly high too. Resistance didn't flop because of a few manic fanboys, it flopped because the majority of cows actually believed it would be AAA, GOTY and kill Gears.
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#19 Nike_Air
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[QUOTE="Nike_Air"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

[QUOTE="blurb1324"]Was Crackdown hyped AA? Or just A?lawlessx

it was hyped low AA and got a high A.

why isnt resistance up there?

The same reason Lost Planet isn't up there.

 

 

 

and what reason is that? lost planet was at first hyped AAA when first shown..and hype changed months before its actual release..resistance,on the other hand, was hyped AAA and to be a gears of war/halo killer.

Lemmings were the ones who were using gears of war/halo killer for Resistance to artificailly inflate the hype. (just like they will do with Killzone). Fanboys will argue that Resistance and Lost Planet were or weren't hyped AAA so that is the reason I didn't iclude them. The ones I listed are hard to argue with.

 

 

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#20 Big_T-Mac
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red steel and resistence.

motorstorm is simply underrated.

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[QUOTE="blurb1324"]Was Crackdown hyped AA? Or just A?project343

Crackdown was officially hyped AA. 

anyone who hyped that game is an idiot.  it looked stupid from the beginning.
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="Nike_Air"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

[QUOTE="blurb1324"]Was Crackdown hyped AA? Or just A?Nike_Air

it was hyped low AA and got a high A.

why isnt resistance up there?

The same reason Lost Planet isn't up there.

 

 

 

and what reason is that? lost planet was at first hyped AAA when first shown..and hype changed months before its actual release..resistance,on the other hand, was hyped AAA and to be a gears of war/halo killer.

Lemmings were the ones who were using gears of war/halo killer for Resistance to artificailly inflate the hype. (just like they will do with Killzone). Fanboys will argue that Resistance and Lost Planet were or weren't hyped AAA so that is the reason I didn't iclude them. The ones I listed are hard to argue with.

 

 


No, just no.
You had Microsoft backing a game which was recieving great previews and looked amazing.
You had Microsoft advertising this game like mad and setting up events to show off the game pre launch.
Sony's only answer to this game was Resistance, and seeing as Gears' release date had been set to disrpt the PS3 launch this was Sony's biggest hope of their launch going off with a bang, cows hyped the game because it was the only real game Sony had to contend with not only gears but Microsoft entire libary thus far.

Of course cows were going to hype it to high heaven, they didn't need lemmings to use underhanded tricks to encourage them, the fact they were claiming they were going to have the game of the year was enough to encourage cows to hype Resistance as AAA, and you have to agree cows were hyping it as being better than gears and GOTY.

You have to remember you're dealing with fanboys here, they're going to go for the the level of hype which allows them to claim the game is amazing and to use it in their arguments before it's released. What would cows be making threads about if they'd hyped Resistance and Motorstorm correctly, they'd have nothing much to counter arguments for months.
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[QUOTE="Grive"]

[QUOTE="phatkav"]How was the hype for Red Steel? I wan't much of a forum guy when it was released. phatkav

Some will try to deny it, but it was pretty much the game that was gonna validate the Wii.

I also heard some hyped the game to be Halo killer. Is that true? 

I never once saw a board member call it a "Halo killer" - and I was in the thick of all the E3 '06 goodness.
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[QUOTE="project343"]

[QUOTE="blurb1324"]Was Crackdown hyped AA? Or just A?Big_T-Mac

Crackdown was officially hyped AA. 

anyone who hyped that game is an idiot.  it looked stupid from the beginning.



I was surprised it only scored A, I really enjoyed the demo but was worried the length would be too short, that's why i waited for the reviews before I went out and bought it, I'll probably get it when it's cheaper but considering it's length it just not worth the money to me right now.
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#25 Swazzle
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In the really real world, Perfect Dark Zero is the biggest flop of this gen by a mile.

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#26 Watch_Me_Xplode
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I'd say only 1 flop there, in Red Steel.  If the other games had decent critical reception and sales, how are they flops?masterpinky2000

This guy's got it right. All of those other games are incredibly fun and sold well, additionally.

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#27 Silvereign
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In the really real world, Perfect Dark Zero is the biggest flop of this gen by a mile.

Swazzle

 

Agreed. Probably one of the most boring games I have ever expected to be killer app in my life. 

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#28 helium_flash
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Hm.. the only flop there imo is Red Steel.  The others are just ownage as they scored below they were hyped.  A flop is a game that sucks.
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#29 axt113
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MotorStorm was originally hyped AAA, then some cows said AA, and it ended up A
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#30 SikStix
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Definitely Red Steel and you cant forget the awful Untold Legends for the Ps3 and everyone has pretty much given up, i think, on Madden franchise. Crackdown didnt have alot of substance and Resistance was very short (which seems to be following fps trends as of late).
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No, just no.
You had Microsoft backing a game which was recieving great previews and looked amazing.
You had Microsoft advertising this game like mad and setting up events to show off the game pre launch.
Sony's only answer to this game was Resistance, and seeing as Gears' release date had been set to disrpt the PS3 launch this was Sony's biggest hope of their launch going off with a bang, cows hyped the game because it was the only real game Sony had to contend with not only gears but Microsoft entire libary thus far.

Of course cows were going to hype it to high heaven, they didn't need lemmings to use underhanded tricks to encourage them, the fact they were claiming they were going to have the game of the year was enough to encourage cows to hype Resistance as AAA, and you have to agree cows were hyping it as being better than gears and GOTY.

You have to remember you're dealing with fanboys here, they're going to go for the the level of hype which allows them to claim the game is amazing and to use it in their arguments before it's released. What would cows be making threads about if they'd hyped Resistance and Motorstorm correctly, they'd have nothing much to counter arguments for months.jimbob9999

 

Excellently argued.  And, you know, correct and stuff, too.

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#33 Big_T-Mac
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In the really real world, Perfect Dark Zero is the biggest flop of this gen by a mile.

Swazzle

hows that?

it still looks and plays better than any ps3 exclusive shooter.  plus it didnt get that much hype around launch cuz cod 2 really stole a ton of its thunder in the weeks leading up to the launch.  not to mention the fact thats its a solid 9.0.

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#34 Grive
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anyone who hyped that game is an idiot. it looked stupid from the beginning.Big_T-Mac

A lot of people are going to have to disagree. Crackdown is a great game. It would've been amazing and a GTA killer had it not been crippled by the poor, short story and inability to restart it without deleting your character. 

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Resistance was hyped AAA almost universally by the cows. That should be up there.
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MotorStorm was originally hyped AAA, then some cows said AA, and it ended up Aaxt113

First of all, many reviews DID give it an AAA, so maybe you have no idea what you're talking about. Secondly, after playing it, it does in fact deserve a 8. GS's rating is just one rating and doesn't make a difference. 7.9 is close enough to being a friggin AA anyway, why not just call it that? Because everyone else agrees it should be 8 or higher.

Resistance was hyped AAA almost universally by the cows. That should be up there.mis3ry

Resistance is the best FPS I've ever played, and in my opinion, it is a AAA.

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#37 Blackbond
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RFOM was hyped AAA by cows. It was said to score better then GeOW you can't tell me that a game can be hyped to be better then GeOW and not be hyped AAA.
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[QUOTE="axt113"]MotorStorm was originally hyped AAA, then some cows said AA, and it ended up AWatch_Me_Xplode

First of all, many reviews DID give it an AAA, so maybe you have no idea what you're talking about. Secondly, after playing it, it does in fact deserve a 8. GS's rating is just one rating and doesn't make a difference. 7.9 is close enough to being a friggin AA anyway, why not just call it that? Because everyone else agrees it should be 8 or higher.

Resistance was hyped AAA almost universally by the cows. That should be up there.mis3ry

Resistance is the best FPS I've ever played, and in my opinion, it is a AAA.

7.9 was the rating of the best racing game last generation(mkdd), and motorstorm (along with burnout revenge) are the current best racing games out there, so they must be doin sumthin right.

7.9 ftw!

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resistance is the biggest flop of the generation so far

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[QUOTE="axt113"]MotorStorm was originally hyped AAA, then some cows said AA, and it ended up AWatch_Me_Xplode

First of all, many reviews DID give it an AAA, so maybe you have no idea what you're talking about. Secondly, after playing it, it does in fact deserve a 8. GS's rating is just one rating and doesn't make a difference. 7.9 is close enough to being a friggin AA anyway, why not just call it that? Because everyone else agrees it should be 8 or higher.

Resistance was hyped AAA almost universally by the cows. That should be up there.mis3ry

Resistance is the best FPS I've ever played, and in my opinion, it is a AAA.

 

This is GS SW's not other reviews system wars

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[QUOTE="axt113"]MotorStorm was originally hyped AAA, then some cows said AA, and it ended up AWatch_Me_Xplode

First of all, many reviews DID give it an AAA, so maybe you have no idea what you're talking about. Secondly, after playing it, it does in fact deserve a 8. GS's rating is just one rating and doesn't make a difference. 7.9 is close enough to being a friggin AA anyway, why not just call it that? Because everyone else agrees it should be 8 or higher.

Resistance was hyped AAA almost universally by the cows. That should be up there.mis3ry

Resistance is the best FPS I've ever played, and in my opinion, it is a AAA.

Unfortunately, in SW, only GS scores count.
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#42 JB730
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[QUOTE="Watch_Me_Xplode"]

[QUOTE="axt113"]MotorStorm was originally hyped AAA, then some cows said AA, and it ended up Aaxt113

First of all, many reviews DID give it an AAA, so maybe you have no idea what you're talking about. Secondly, after playing it, it does in fact deserve a 8. GS's rating is just one rating and doesn't make a difference. 7.9 is close enough to being a friggin AA anyway, why not just call it that? Because everyone else agrees it should be 8 or higher.

Resistance was hyped AAA almost universally by the cows. That should be up there.mis3ry

Resistance is the best FPS I've ever played, and in my opinion, it is a AAA.

 

This is GS SW's not other reviews system wars

exactly

if cows are going to argue that RFOM was not a flop b/c of other reviews - then they have to say the same for zelda

but here, all those other reviews don't matter - so there is no point in bringing them up 

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A dirt racer with 8 tracks and no liicensed vehicles no split-screen for $60? The gameplay is all based around memorizing the track. Its lucky it got such a high A. On the other hand PD:0 online co-op, varied online multiplayer, beautiful single player that really takes off as it goes along (yes you have to play more than 3 levels before you can appreciate it), and a $50 price tag at launch. PD:0 most UNDERRATED game by fanboys who saw it on MTV and determined it was "teh suck" wiithout ever touching it. I'm not sure how many cows made an alternate account when Motorflop's complete failure became known but I'd estimate QUITE A MANY.
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[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

[QUOTE="masterpinky2000"]I'd say only 1 flop there, in Red Steel. If the other games had decent critical reception and sales, how are they flops?Phanrang

Based on SW hype.

 

 

then everything is a flop, people are hyping every single game AAA in here. 

 No. Some games are hyped AAAA. :P

And some are hyped AA, like Sonic Wii, and still flops.

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#45 Willy105
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Zelda hype: 9.3-9.8

Zelda everywhere else score: 9.5

Zelda GS score: 8.8

We gotta stick to Gamespot, no matter how much it hurts.

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#46 Marka1700
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Zelda hype: 9.3-9.8

Zelda everywhere else score: 9.5

Zelda GS score: 8.8

We gotta stick to Gamespot, no matter how much it hurts.

Willy105

Exactly why resistance should be on the list.

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#47 Watch_Me_Xplode
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[QUOTE="Watch_Me_Xplode"]

[QUOTE="axt113"]MotorStorm was originally hyped AAA, then some cows said AA, and it ended up Aaxt113

First of all, many reviews DID give it an AAA, so maybe you have no idea what you're talking about. Secondly, after playing it, it does in fact deserve a 8. GS's rating is just one rating and doesn't make a difference. 7.9 is close enough to being a friggin AA anyway, why not just call it that? Because everyone else agrees it should be 8 or higher.

Resistance was hyped AAA almost universally by the cows. That should be up there.mis3ry

Resistance is the best FPS I've ever played, and in my opinion, it is a AAA.

 

This is GS SW's not other reviews system wars

Who cares? Still very excellent games.

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#48 tegovoltio
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I'd say stop whining and just add Resistance, I'd also like to know the wxact hype os Saints Row. I remember a lot of GTA killer threads around.
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#49 Oemenia
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Sheep will never be able to swallow a Wii game is bad...
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#50 HeedleGlavin
Member since 2005 • 15373 Posts
Sheep will never be able to swallow a Wii game is bad...Oemenia
Not really. Thanks for your contribution, though.