The main reason why I feel like DD is bad....for the consumer (potentialy)

what if you buy a game that you find out is a terrible game, or you just cannot get into?

lets face it,no matter what the reviewers rated it we dont always agree on whats a good game or bad game. same for our friends who try to convince us of said games quality. i realize the long term effectDD will have on the industry and im all for it, for the most part. but man i would just HATE to havea game that i cant trade awaythat i have no intention of ever playing again.

unless theres a demo for every game in the future, i see some potentialy unhappy consumers voicing their opinions on the situation. (after DD is totaly accepted, or in a similar case moregames with registration codes)

also, the prices will proably be the same, even though the costs will be way down from what making physical copies would cost, so we get screwed there. the only people that really win are the devs and the pubs.mtradr43

could be true IF DD sites werent constantly having sales you would never match retail, not to mention you dont have to worry about limited quantities.

[QUOTE="mtradr43"]also, the prices will proably be the same, even though the costs will be way down from what making physical copies would cost, so we get screwed there. the only people that really win are the devs and the pubs.warmaster670

could be true IF DD sites werent constantly having sales you would never match retail, not to mention you dont have to worry about limited quantities.

DD prices are consistently lower than Retail if you take a running average. Look at Steam Weekend deals.

Also, Demo's will only become more widespread with DD, so I dont believe your issue will be relevant. Besides, im not sure I have ever returned a game anyway.

Steam for the win.

Well I bought Deus Ex: Invisible Wars on Steam and I happened to not like it. Is it Steam's fault that it is horrible game? No it isn't, its my fault for not doing my research properly in the first place.

And also trading in second hand games is bad for the industry, so much so that Sony is making plans to act against it. Also consumers should know that they should research in the first place, would you research a car before buying it to see how much it has been used or damaged etc.? Of course you would, I don't see why people wouldn't do the same with videogames.

Simple solution: DD rentals; t's so obvious I'm shocked someone hasn't already done it (although I know OnLive has mentioned the idea, and I think Sony has as well). Even better: DD rent-to-own, where you can spend $x on the rental and then buy the game for something like retail+x/2.

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[QUOTE="mtradr43"]also, the prices will proably be the same, even though the costs will be way down from what making physical copies would cost, so we get screwed there. the only people that really win are the devs and the pubs.mtradr43

could be true IF DD sites werent constantly having sales you would never match retail, not to mention you dont have to worry about limited quantities.

This is why you buy games you're not sure you will like when they go on sale. DD sales are insane might I add and generally are like 75% off. Yeah they aren't always on sale and sometimes you can't get into a game that you thought would be great but that's the risk you take. Frankly I've never bought a game on DD and been disappointed because unless it's made by Valve, DICE or Bioware I generally buy it on sale. Ace6301

hapingthats truebecause even on sale most consolegames you only save 5 mabey 10 bucks at the most and youre still stuck with a purchase youre not at all happy with. great that you saves a few bucks but you still have software that you just cant get rid of...

so far console games are only cheaper because theyre older (well at least thats the case on the xbox) but even theyre still around the same price as a DD PC game on sale

also, the prices will proably be the same, even though the costs will be way down from what making physical copies would cost, so we get screwed there. the only people that really win are the devs and the pubs.

(Oh yeah? What about DD Sales we see from time to time, huh?)

once dd is the norm and phys copies are phased out, im willing to bet that those "sales" cease to exist. and ive never had to worry about limited quantities before, so that wouldnt be any differentmtradr43

I agree, and I have said as much in other threads. It's a bad deal for consumers all around, but if they masses don't care, there is nothing we can do.

Another benefit to physical copies, is they work in a variety of machines, as well as RETAIL OVERSTOCK. IF they have too many copies of an older game, you get fantastic deals.

DRM and the direction companies are taking should point out how bad a deal this stuff is.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]This is why you buy games you're not sure you will like when they go on sale. DD sales are insane might I add and generally are like 75% off. Yeah they aren't always on sale and sometimes you can't get into a game that you thought would be great but that's the risk you take. Frankly I've never bought a game on DD and been disappointed because unless it's made by Valve, DICE or Bioware I generally buy it on sale. slvrraven9

Just saying I bought the Orange Box for $10 USD on sale while in Australia it is around $65 AUD in retail plus Modern Warfare 2 is $90 USD on Steam while it sells for $150 AUD in retail.

[QUOTE="slvrraven9"][QUOTE="Ace6301"]This is why you buy games you're not sure you will like when they go on sale. DD sales are insane might I add and generally are like 75% off. Yeah they aren't always on sale and sometimes you can't get into a game that you thought would be great but that's the risk you take. Frankly I've never bought a game on DD and been disappointed because unless it's made by Valve, DICE or Bioware I generally buy it on sale. Vesica_Prime

Just saying I bought the Orange Box for $10 USD on sale while in Australia it is around $65 AUD in retail plus Modern Warfare 2 is $90 USD on Steam while it sells for $150 AUD in retail.

DD prices are consistently lower than Retail if you take a running average. Look at Steam Weekend deals.

Also, Demo's will only become more widespread with DD, so I dont believe your issue will be relevant. Besides, im not sure I have ever returned a game anyway.

Well I bought Deus Ex: Invisible Wars on Steam and I happened to not like it. Is it Steam's fault that it is horrible game? No it isn't, its my fault for not doing my research properly in the first place.

And also trading in second hand games is bad for the industry, so much so that Sony is making plans to act against it. Also consumers should know that they should research in the first place, would you research a car before buying it to see how much it has been used or damaged etc.? Of course you would, I don't see why people wouldn't do the same with videogames.

Vesica_Prime

you know this brings me back to my original point. no matter how reviewd a game is, you wont agree with a review 100% of the time. i expect some games i just wont like no matter how many AAAAE's it gets. you can research a game all you want...but their opinions of the game are not your own.

EDIT: ive NEVER bought a game based off of the review score. I think this might also cause some consumers to be more skeptical on their purchases which might call for some pretty low new ip sales. Some people take chances on new ips because theres always that assurance that IF they dont like the game, they can return it. dont you think this will impact the industry in some kind of way?

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[QUOTE="slvrraven9"] thats true but even on sale most games you only save 5 mabey 10 bucks at the most and youre still stuck with a purchase youre not at all happy with. great that you saves a few bucks but you still have software that you just cant get rid of...mtradr43

Just saying I bought the Orange Box for $10 USD on sale while in Australia it is around $65 AUD in retail plus Modern Warfare 2 is $90 USD on Steam while it sells for $150 AUD in retail.

And it still works. Plus its not that games are hard to get, because there's two EB Games near where I live its not my fault that they mark up the price extremely high too.

digital download for pc is nice but for consoles i dont know i just dont see it working ,

yes they release those old ones for 19,99-29 at max ,

but 60 for no manual no value , etc etc

and not to mention the bandwith restraints this country has in many areas not having dsl etc or they havedsl but not enough bandwith all together

if live messed up with the points system what do you think will happen once they shoot bigger games out , ,

imagine the down time cause 10 million people go on the same server same day to pick up say a gam e like gta iv ,

or what if they ran the games off the server much like onlive,

where not only would online lag but -singleplayer portion will to

to many negatives , out wiegh the positive side- that and the thousands of jobs that will be lost due to digital distribution

and forcing people to give out credit card numbers thus risking some one taking numbers down -you never know whos gonna get a hold of your account ,major nelson was hacked,

if you didnt hear

so what if they did have credit card numbers on all 360s imagine the in securities ,

im sorry but the day dd takes away retail i will not be involved

I use steam

[QUOTE="mtradr43"]also, the prices will proably be the same, even though the costs will be way down from what making physical copies would cost, so we get screwed there. the only people that really win are the devs and the pubs.

(Oh yeah? What about DD Sales we see from time to time, huh?)

once dd is the norm and phys copies are phased out, im willing to bet that those "sales" cease to exist. and ive never had to worry about limited quantities before, so that wouldnt be any different

I agree, and I have said as much in other threads. It's a bad deal for consumers all around, but if they masses don't care, there is nothing we can do.

Another benefit to physical copies, is they work in a variety of machines, as well as RETAIL OVERSTOCK. IF they have too many copies of an older game, you get fantastic deals.

DRM and the direction companies are taking should point out how bad a deal this stuff is.

It's funny. People complain that "waaaahhh...I won't be able to trade my game back in" and then people complain that "waaaahhh...GameStop only gave me $5 for a game I bought new yesterday, and then turned around and sold it for $40!"

I don't buy retail games anymore, all my purchases are from Steam now. My games can't be stolen, scratched, misplaced, and if my house burns down...well, I've still got my game collection.

why the hell couldnt you just type "digital download"?

It's funny. People complain that "waaaahhh...I won't be able to trade my game back in" and then people complain that "waaaahhh...GameStop only gave me $5 for a game I bought new yesterday, and then turned around and sold it for $40!"

I don't buy retail games anymore, all my purchases are from Steam now. My games can't be stolen, scratched, misplaced, and if my house burns down...well, I've still got my game collection.

br0kenrabbit

I buy games that I know I'll like. I've yet to purchase a game digitally that I didn't like except for Saints Row 2 because it was so buggy. But then again, I only bought it for $5.mo0ksi

I'm a sucker for sales though.

I counted the games I didn't like that I've bought on steam and they ended up being 11. Luckily I hadn't spent more than $30 an them together so it's not like I've lost any real money on it. I will gladly take a $30 loss every 2 years if I can buy games at $5 on steam every week that are $20-40 in retail.

what if you buy a game that you find out is a terrible game, or you just cannot get into?

lets face it,no matter what the reviewers rated it we dont always agree on whats a good game or bad game. same for our friends who try to convince us of said games quality. i realize the long term effectDD will have on the industry and im all for it, for the most part. but man i would just HATE to havea game that i cant trade awaythat i have no intention of ever playing again.

unless theres a demo for every game in the future, i see some potentialy unhappy consumers voicing their opinions on the situation. (after DD is totaly accepted, or in a similar case moregames with registration codes)

slvrraven9

it requires you to be more thoughtful about your purchases, but that's about it

otherwise it's impossible to resell quite a few PC box games because of DRM or authentication purposes, so you're screwed on the resell part anyways, better to just get the better version via DD

DD is bad for us but it is the future. Why? Because sheeple are too stupid and lack the resolve to stand against the erosion of our rights. Don't believe they exist? They have already posted in this thread.