The many fallacies of the rivalry between Battlefield and Call of Duty.

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#1 The_Capitalist
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I am excited for both BF3 and MW3 this holiday. I plan to purchase both games for the PC. Unfortunately, message boards everywhere are overrun with people declaring BF3 to be the better game of the two, even though both games aren't out yet. Their argument typically revolves around the same few points:

1. Call of Duty is not innovative.

By that argument, one can say that Counter-Strike and its successors, Condition Zero and Source, are not particularly innovative in terms of gameplay either. Yet you see few people bashing the archaic gameplay found in both sequels. Why? Because the gameplay works. It's fast, fun, and furious. Why should anyone bother changing what isn't broken?

Call of Duty is famous for its run-and-gun gameplay, killstreaks, perks, and weapons that have little recoil. The number of copies it sells each year is an indication that the core gameplay is fine and needs little tweaking or adjustment. There is really no need to change the formula. It works, and it is fun enough that people are willing to keep buying sequels.

2. Activision is evil and greedy.

The hate against Call of Duty began when PC gamers starting raging about the lack of dedicated servers for MW2. Mind you, this wasn't Activision's fault to begin with - Infinity Ward itself decided that dedicated servers weren't going to be included. What makes Activision "evil" in any rational or moral sense? Have they stolen your dog? Peed on your carpet? Sold you a product that nearly killed you? No. To you, they are evil because they are selling a product that is too popular and not "innovative enough" for your narrow prejudices to appreciate.

I can find no incidence in Activision's behavior which can be categorized as "evil". If anything, people are putting them in that category just so that they can elevate the whole "BF3 vs. MW3" rivalry as if this commercial struggle between two video game publishers can be equated with the battle between good and evil to further sensationalize the topic. It's a video game, damn it, not a presidential election.

What about EA? Are they really the guardian angels of gaming? Did they listen to their community just for the sake of advancing gaming to some higher level of nirvana? No! They did it to generate positive buzz and drive sales for their product.

Furthermore, I have no doubt that EA will start selling map-packs on the scale that Activision does once BF3 is released. Which publisher will be more greedy then?

Both publishers are in this business to make money - there is little else to it. No company is more "evil" than the other. They are just groups of people among dozens of other groups harking their wares in the background of commerce.

3. Conclusion - This rivalry, and discussion of it, is a silly thing.

In the end, people want to play a good, fun game which will keep them and their friends entertained for hours on end. No game, be it BF3 or MW3 is better than each other in that regard. Some people may deviate more towards one game or another based on personal preferences. But ultimately, both products are just games - bits and pieces of fantasies put together for personal enjoyment.

Whether a game is truly "better" than another is up to the gamers for themselves to decide, not a group of fanboys.

I look forward to playing both BF3 and MW3 this holiday, so see you gentlemen on the battlefield (no pun intended).

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#2 DarkLink77
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Call of Duty isn't innovative and Activision is evil and greedy. There's no fallacies there.

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I agree. Who cares if COD nowadays isn't as innovative as it used to be?

Look, let us assume I love cake. Chocolate cake. Yummy. Now, I eat it up. Wait, there is more chocolate cake, but it's the same! Feels the same, looks the same, tastes the same. But I still love it! I want more because I love cake.

The same could be said about COD IMO.

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#4 DangerousLiquid
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Call of Duty isn't innovative and Activision is evil and greedy. There's no fallacies there.

DarkLink77

Neither is BF. What can BF show up that even compares to what COD4 did?

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Call of Duty isn't innovative and Activision is evil and greedy. There's no fallacies there.

DangerousLiquid

Neither is BF. What can BF show up that even compares to what COD4 did?

You do realize Battlefield 2 and Tribes 2 did a lot of the stuff Call of Duty 4 did first, right?
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I agree. Who cares if COD nowadays isn't as innovative as it used to be?

Look, let us assume I love cake. Chocolate cake. Yummy. Now, I eat it up. Wait, there is more chocolate cake, but it's the same! Feels the same, looks the same, tastes the same. But I still love it! I want more because I love cake.

The same could be said about COD IMO.

DangerousLiquid

CoD is a piece of crap, not a piece of cake, in my honest humble opinion.

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#7 The_Capitalist
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[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

I agree. Who cares if COD nowadays isn't as innovative as it used to be?

Look, let us assume I love cake. Chocolate cake. Yummy. Now, I eat it up. Wait, there is more chocolate cake, but it's the same! Feels the same, looks the same, tastes the same. But I still love it! I want more because I love cake.

The same could be said about COD IMO.

Lucianu

CoD is a piece of crap, not a piece of cake, in my honest humble opinion.

It's plastic made from oil products. I don't think plastic tastes very good...

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who cares, just let the immature fanboys tear each other throats apart
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Call of Duty isn't innovative and Activision is evil and greedy. There's no fallacies there.

DarkLink77

And this thread is over, just like that.

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CoD standardized and popularized the perk system, an ingenious step forward imo for offering pre game planning and greater variety in game play.. IT certainly wasn't perfect and there was indeed some imbalances, but to me it was a great improvement.. Sure it was in games earlier, but I can't think of any game that had the kind of impact it did for this one in how they presented it..
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#11 hofuldig
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[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Call of Duty isn't innovative and Activision is evil and greedy. There's no fallacies there.

DarkLink77

Neither is BF. What can BF show up that even compares to what COD4 did?

You do realize Battlefield 2 and Tribes 2 did a lot of the stuff Call of Duty 4 did first, right?

Battlefield 2 and Tribes were out way bfore COD4 dude.
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Call of Duty isn't innovative and Activision is evil and greedy. There's no fallacies there.

DarkLink77

Greedy? A businesses first goal is to make profits.. By definition every game company is greedy inless they are doing it for free or giving it to chairty.. Evil? and consider those not fallacies? I am the first to criticize Call of Duty, especially when it comes to the singleplayer campaigns.. You just contradicted your self in one line..

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Call of Duty isn't innovative and Activision is evil and greedy. There's no fallacies there.

ChubbyGuy40

And this thread is over, just like that.

Do video games really need to innovate for the sake of innovating? Or do they need to be more fun?

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#14 DangerousLiquid
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Call of Duty is more innovative than Battlefield.

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[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Call of Duty isn't innovative and Activision is evil and greedy. There's no fallacies there.

The_Capitalist

And this thread is over, just like that.

Do video games really need to innovate for the sake of innovating? Or do they need to be more fun?

... Not to mention what exactly is innovation? What can be pointed out as innovative, its all opinion based.. Especially when "gimmick" is thrown around constantly for things that are new but people refuse to call innovative what so ever.

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I agree. Who cares if COD nowadays isn't as innovative as it used to be?

Look, let us assume I love cake. Chocolate cake. Yummy. Now, I eat it up. Wait, there is more chocolate cake, but it's the same! Feels the same, looks the same, tastes the same. But I still love it! I want more because I love cake.

The same could be said about COD IMO.

DangerousLiquid

Yeah but, if you like cake and eat it, it's gone. So you have to go buy more. If you like CoD4, you can just go play CoD4 again. It doesn't disappear after you play it. It's like eating a chocolate cake and it was delicious, you're satisfied. The next day you see another chocolate cake, don't really want it but say "Well, I have to get this one because it has a different frosting border". Different frosting on the same cake, that's essentially what CoD is as a franchise.

I want cake now.

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[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

I agree. Who cares if COD nowadays isn't as innovative as it used to be?

Look, let us assume I love cake. Chocolate cake. Yummy. Now, I eat it up. Wait, there is more chocolate cake, but it's the same! Feels the same, looks the same, tastes the same. But I still love it! I want more because I love cake.

The same could be said about COD IMO.

IndianaPwns39

Yeah but, if you like cake and eat it, it's gone. So you have to go buy more. If you like CoD4, you can just go play CoD4 again. It doesn't disappear after you play it. It's like eating a chocolate cake and it was delicious, you're satisfied. The next day you see another chocolate cake, don't really want it but say "Well, I have to get this one because it has a different frosting border". Different frosting on the same cake, that's essentially what CoD is as a franchise.

I want cake now.

MW2 and CoD4 are not carbon copies of one another.. They are different games with significant differecnes to tell teh difference between the two.. If your logic made sound sense we wouldn't have people who prefered, COD4 over MW2, or Black ops over the otehrs etc etc.. Because by your logic they would all be the same.. But alas there are certain differences that has made the game different to the point for people that prefer it over another..

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Do video games really need to innovate for the sake of innovating? Or do they need to be more fun?

The_Capitalist

Push forward while maintaining the fun.

CoD has none of those, while Battlefield has always had those.

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#19 brickdoctor
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Call of Duty isn't innovative, that's fine. What bothers me is when people try to pretend that Battlefield is. Also, no one can blame Activision. If I was in their position I'd be doing the exact same thing. And at least they don't screw over people who buy used.

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Call of Duty isn't innovative and Activision is evil and greedy. There's no fallacies there.

sSubZerOo

Greedy? A businesses first goal is to make profits.. By definition every game company is greedy inless they are doing it for free or giving it to chairty.. Evil? and consider those not fallacies? I am the first to criticize Call of Duty, especially when it comes to the singleplayer campaigns.. You just contradicted your self in one line..

Greedy in the sense that the only goal is maximum profits. That is definitely not that goal of every business or game company.

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[QUOTE="The_Capitalist"]

Do video games really need to innovate for the sake of innovating? Or do they need to be more fun?

ChubbyGuy40

Push forward while maintaining the fun.

CoD has none of those, while Battlefield has always had those.

That explains why Call of Duty is number one, leaving BF far back in the dust. :lol: Oh, the irony.

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[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="The_Capitalist"]

Do video games really need to innovate for the sake of innovating? Or do they need to be more fun?

DangerousLiquid

Push forward while maintaining the fun.

CoD has none of those, while Battlefield has always had those.

That explains why Call of Duty is number one, leaving BF far back in the dust. :lol: Oh, the irony.

So you just admitted CoD is not innovative, and is not fun.

Thank you for proving my point.

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Call of Duty isn't innovative and Activision is evil and greedy. There's no fallacies there.

DarkLink77
Giantbomb has Call of Duty 2 listed as the first to create the grenade indicator concept. js
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

Neither is BF. What can BF show up that even compares to what COD4 did?

hofuldig

You do realize Battlefield 2 and Tribes 2 did a lot of the stuff Call of Duty 4 did first, right?

Battlefield 2 and Tribes were out way bfore COD4 dude.

Yeah, that would be what I said. They did it first.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Call of Duty isn't innovative and Activision is evil and greedy. There's no fallacies there.

topgunmv

Greedy? A businesses first goal is to make profits.. By definition every game company is greedy inless they are doing it for free or giving it to chairty.. Evil? and consider those not fallacies? I am the first to criticize Call of Duty, especially when it comes to the singleplayer campaigns.. You just contradicted your self in one line..

Greedy in the sense that the only goal is maximum profits. That is definitely not that goal of every business or game company.

If my memory serves me right, many companies laid off people this past quarter in a pathetic attempt to juice profits for the next quarter.

Sure, some companies have the idea of putting out a good product/service and letting things go. But if you operate with that sort of mentality, you are not going to remain in business for very long. Borders is one such example.

Greed is such an overused adjective in these polarizing economic times that it's hard see who's "greedy" and who isn't anymore.

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[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Call of Duty isn't innovative and Activision is evil and greedy. There's no fallacies there.

DarkLink77

Neither is BF. What can BF show up that even compares to what COD4 did?

You do realize Battlefield 2 and Tribes 2 did a lot of the stuff Call of Duty 4 did first, right?

Yes. Battlefield TWO did and Tribes 2. But now we are talking about Battlefield THREE. There is nothing innovative or new in BF3, so it is only hypocritical to call out COD for not being innovative. No one is expecting either one to be innovative.

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[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Push forward while maintaining the fun.

CoD has none of those, while Battlefield has always had those.

ChubbyGuy40

That explains why Call of Duty is number one, leaving BF far back in the dust. :lol: Oh, the irony.

So you just admitted CoD is not innovative, and is not fun.

Thank you for proving my point.

Yeah, we can pretend you get number one by being boring and generic. :lol:

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[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Greedy? A businesses first goal is to make profits.. By definition every game company is greedy inless they are doing it for free or giving it to chairty.. Evil? and consider those not fallacies? I am the first to criticize Call of Duty, especially when it comes to the singleplayer campaigns.. You just contradicted your self in one line..

The_Capitalist

Greedy in the sense that the only goal is maximum profits. That is definitely not that goal of every business or game company.

If my memory serves me right, many companies laid off people this past quarter in a pathetic attempt to juice profits for the next quarter.

Sure, some companies have the idea of putting out a good product/service and letting things go. But if you operate with that sort of mentality, you are not going to remain in business for very long. Borders is one such example.

Greed is such an overused adjective in these polarizing economic times that it's hard see who's "greedy" and who isn't anymore.

Kotick clearly stated he wanted to take the fun out of making and playing video games.

That's evil and greedy beyond what even EA can do.

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

Neither is BF. What can BF show up that even compares to what COD4 did?

Icarian

You do realize Battlefield 2 and Tribes 2 did a lot of the stuff Call of Duty 4 did first, right?

Yes. Battlefield TWO did and Tribes 2. But now we are talking about Battlefield THREE. There is nothing innovative or new in BF3, so it is only hypocritical to call out COD for not being innovative. No one is expecting either one to be innovative.

We aren't talking about Battlefield 3.
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Yeah, we can pretend you get number one by being boring and generic. :lol:

DangerousLiquid

Many "musicians," such as Lady Gaga and boy bands, (If you can even call them musicians,) get to number one that way.

It's a terribly old argument that's been proven correct multiple times throughout the years. You can get to number one being boring and generic.

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[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Greedy? A businesses first goal is to make profits.. By definition every game company is greedy inless they are doing it for free or giving it to chairty.. Evil? and consider those not fallacies? I am the first to criticize Call of Duty, especially when it comes to the singleplayer campaigns.. You just contradicted your self in one line..

The_Capitalist

Greedy in the sense that the only goal is maximum profits. That is definitely not that goal of every business or game company.

If my memory serves me right, many companies laid off people this past quarter in a pathetic attempt to juice profits for the next quarter.

Sure, some companies have the idea of putting out a good product/service and letting things go. But if you operate with that sort of mentality, you are not going to remain in business for very long. Borders is one such example.

Greed is such an overused adjective in these polarizing economic times that it's hard see who's "greedy" and who isn't anymore.

Cd projekt seems to be doing just fine.

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#32 Lucianu
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Many "musicians," such as Lady Gaga and boy bands, (If you can even call them musicians,) get to number one that way.

It's a terribly old argument that's been proven correct multiple times throughout the years. You can get to number one being boring and generic.

ChubbyGuy40

Don't diss Lady Gaga, she is a fantastic singer with a excellent fashion choice.

I wanna be just like her wen i grow up.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Call of Duty isn't innovative and Activision is evil and greedy. There's no fallacies there.

topgunmv

Greedy? A businesses first goal is to make profits.. By definition every game company is greedy inless they are doing it for free or giving it to chairty.. Evil? and consider those not fallacies? I am the first to criticize Call of Duty, especially when it comes to the singleplayer campaigns.. You just contradicted your self in one line..

Greedy in the sense that the only goal is maximum profits. That is definitely not that goal of every business or game company.

... In the end of the day though HOW CAN YOU claim one business is greedy and the other isn't when their main goal is to sell product to make profit? Their main loyalty is to the share holders not you.. People need to get off their high horse and understand that certain companies have different strategies in the end.. But when it comes down to it, yet again the company are not makign these products out of the kindness of their heart..

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Call of Duty isn't innovative and Activision is evil and greedy. There's no fallacies there.

moose_knuckler

Giantbomb has Call of Duty 2 listed as the first to create the grenade indicator concept. js

Modders were the first to come up with killstreaks. Js

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[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Greedy? A businesses first goal is to make profits.. By definition every game company is greedy inless they are doing it for free or giving it to chairty.. Evil? and consider those not fallacies? I am the first to criticize Call of Duty, especially when it comes to the singleplayer campaigns.. You just contradicted your self in one line..

sSubZerOo

Greedy in the sense that the only goal is maximum profits. That is definitely not that goal of every business or game company.

... In the end of the day though HOW CAN YOU claim one business is greedy and the other isn't when their main goal is to sell product to make profit?

Easy, I got a bag of swag with the witcher 2, and the msrp is 50$. EA games don't come with manuals and are 60$.

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#36 The_Capitalist
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Greedy in the sense that the only goal is maximum profits. That is definitely not that goal of every business or game company.

topgunmv

... In the end of the day though HOW CAN YOU claim one business is greedy and the other isn't when their main goal is to sell product to make profit?

Easy, I got a bag of swag with the witcher 2, and the msrp is 50$. EA games don't come with manuals and are 60$.

They were willing to lower their margin to sell more copies of the game.

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[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

... In the end of the day though HOW CAN YOU claim one business is greedy and the other isn't when their main goal is to sell product to make profit?

The_Capitalist

Easy, I got a bag of swag with the witcher 2, and the msrp is 50$. EA games don't come with manuals and are 60$.

They were willing to lower their margin to sell more copies of the game.

Okay, then. Atlus localizes Japanese games that wouldn't otherwise get published, and they often do it for games that they don't believe will make money because they like the game so much. Not greedy.
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#38 DangerousLiquid
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[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

Yeah, we can pretend you get number one by being boring and generic. :lol:

ChubbyGuy40

Many "musicians," such as Lady Gaga and boy bands, (If you can even call them musicians,) get to number one that way.

It's a terribly old argument that's been proven correct multiple times throughout the years. You can get to number one being boring and generic.

This is a gaming discussion. Leave music behind.

How did Halo become number one? GTA? Just like COD, they innovated with features so addictive and revolutionary, that they became unstoppable and so popular, that they were copied for decades.

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Agreed all around. I find it interesting how Activision is the evil company in this battle. I had read in an IW interview that Activision was prepared to give IW as much money as they needed for this game, including money for dedicated servers - WHICH IW DIDN'T WANT TO USE. They had a vision in their IWNet system, which obviously turned out rather poorly for us PC gamers.

Here's an interview from IW heads about why they didn't WANT to use dedicated servers http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/10/20/modern-warfare-2-dedicated-server-response.aspx

And of course, VAC is a complete fail. I think everyone knows by now it tracks cheats and then does mass bans every once in a while, unlike Punkbuster which actively searches for cheats and bans immediately. But PB probably would've required dedicated servers to work...

Secondly, did DICE/EA not completely ABANDON the PC platform when they created the Bad Company series? I guess we didn't support them enough when we bought BF2 and 2142. Honestly, we should've had BF3 a while ago. At least every CoD has been on PC aside from 3. And for what it's worth, Bad Company 1 was actually a decent game. The map design was far superior than the sniper haven crap that we got in BC2.

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#40 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Greedy in the sense that the only goal is maximum profits. That is definitely not that goal of every business or game company.

topgunmv

... In the end of the day though HOW CAN YOU claim one business is greedy and the other isn't when their main goal is to sell product to make profit?

Easy, I got a bag of swag with the witcher 2, and the msrp is 50$. EA games don't come with manuals and are 60$.

They have a different business model than the other for their own product.. How does that some how amount to greed? In the end you prefer the quality over the other.. But YET again.. How does this have anything to do with the "greed" of either company.

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] You do realize Battlefield 2 and Tribes 2 did a lot of the stuff Call of Duty 4 did first, right?DarkLink77

Yes. Battlefield TWO did and Tribes 2. But now we are talking about Battlefield THREE. There is nothing innovative or new in BF3, so it is only hypocritical to call out COD for not being innovative. No one is expecting either one to be innovative.

We aren't talking about Battlefield 3.

These days we're. All threads about BF or CoD are made because of MW3 and BF3. There is no point comparing older games in both franchises, because they were more different then. BF was only focused on MP, while COD has always had both cinematic SP experiense and MP. Now Battlefield is trying to copy COD with cinematic SP experience. I don't mind as long as I get to play two great games.

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#42 HaloPimp978
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Call of Duty is more innovative than Battlefield.

DangerousLiquid

Really? You have to be kidding please explain your reasons cause last time I checked BF is way more innovative than COD. All the games are different and the graphics are better. Meanwhile while COD is nothing but the same boring old graphics and gameplay. BF3 blows away MW3 every way possible, you need to watch the new trailer because you're being denial that it looks better than every COD game. COD fanboys are the worst fanboys and you're one of them.

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#43 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Icarian"]

Yes. Battlefield TWO did and Tribes 2. But now we are talking about Battlefield THREE. There is nothing innovative or new in BF3, so it is only hypocritical to call out COD for not being innovative. No one is expecting either one to be innovative.

Icarian

We aren't talking about Battlefield 3.

These days we're. All threads about BF or CoD are made because of MW3 and BF3. There is no point comparing older games in both franchises, because they were more different then. BF was only focused on MP, while COD has always had both cinematic SP experiense and MP. Now Battlefield is trying to copy COD with cinematic SP experience. I don't mind as long as I get to play two great games.

The conversation you entered was not talking about Battlefield 3. We were talking about being as "innovative" as CoD4.

And if you want my opinion on BF3, go read the newest SWM.

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[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

Call of Duty is more innovative than Battlefield.

HaloPimp978

Really? You have to be kidding please explain your reasons cause last time I checked BF is way more innovative than COD. All the games are different and the graphics are better. Meanwhile while COD is nothing but the same boring old graphics and gameplay. BF3 blows away MW3 every way possible, you need to watch the new trailer because you're being denial that it looks better than every COD game. COD fanboys are the worst fanboys and you're one of them.

Call of Duty 4 is one of the most important shooters in history, because it innovated.

Nobody cares about Battlefield, because it doesn't innovate.

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#45 The_Capitalist
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[QUOTE="HaloPimp978"]

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

Call of Duty is more innovative than Battlefield.

DangerousLiquid

Really? You have to be kidding please explain your reasons cause last time I checked BF is way more innovative than COD. All the games are different and the graphics are better. Meanwhile while COD is nothing but the same boring old graphics and gameplay. BF3 blows away MW3 every way possible, you need to watch the new trailer because you're being denial that it looks better than every COD game. COD fanboys are the worst fanboys and you're one of them.

Call of Duty 4 is one of the most important shooters in history, because it innovated.

Nobody cares about Battlefield, because it doesn't innovate.

Innovation isn't as important as making a game more fun.

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#46 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="HaloPimp978"]

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

Call of Duty is more innovative than Battlefield.

DangerousLiquid

Really? You have to be kidding please explain your reasons cause last time I checked BF is way more innovative than COD. All the games are different and the graphics are better. Meanwhile while COD is nothing but the same boring old graphics and gameplay. BF3 blows away MW3 every way possible, you need to watch the new trailer because you're being denial that it looks better than every COD game. COD fanboys are the worst fanboys and you're one of them.

Call of Duty 4 is one of the most important shooters in history, because it innovated.

Nobody cares about Battlefield, because it doesn't innovate.

weird, cod4 didnt innovated, it took stuff from battlefield 1 and 2 and star wars battlefront 2, so battlefield innovated first
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Call of Duty isn't innovative and Activision is evil and greedy. There's no fallacies there.

DangerousLiquid

Neither is BF. What can BF show up that even compares to what COD4 did?

I don't know: vehicles, destruction, scale, weapon unlocks, massive amounts of statistics, kit-based gameplay, modern warfare in general, teamwork, commander mode

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#48 ChubbyGuy40
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This is a gaming discussion. Leave music behind.

How did Halo become number one? GTA? Just like COD, they innovated with features so addictive and revolutionary, that they became unstoppable and so popular, that they were copied for decades.

DangerousLiquid

Doesn't matter if it's gaming or music. The concept is still the same. Stop trying to run away from it.

No one remembers GTA3 for being the first true open-world game of it's kind. They remember entering weapons cheats to just go around and kill people. People remember Mafia, a game that did what GTA did 10x better and correct, for being open-world.Halo became "number one" (Reality is that is never was) by bringing online MP to consoles. It didn't do anything new. It just copied PC. The only thing it did, was make the game stupidly easy so anyone could play it.

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Agreed all around. I find it interesting how Activision is the evil company in this battle. I had read in an IW interview that Activision was prepared to give IW as much money as they needed for this game, including money for dedicated servers - WHICH IW DIDN'T WANT TO USE. They had a vision in their IWNet system, which obviously turned out rather poorly for us PC gamers.

And of course, VAC is a complete fail. I think everyone knows by now it tracks cheats and then does mass bans every once in a while, unlike Punkbuster which actively searches for cheats and bans immediately. But PB probably would've required dedicated servers to work...

Secondly, did DICE/EA not completely ABANDON the PC platform when they created the Bad Company series? I guess we didn't support them enough when we bought BF2 and 2142. Honestly, we should've had BF3 a while ago. At least every CoD has been on PC aside from 3. And for what it's worth, Bad Company 1 was actually a decent game. The map design was far superior than the sniper haven crap that we got in BC2.

MyopicCanadian

Activision wanted to give IW as much money as they needed? Do you not remember why IW broke up in the first place? That PoS Kotick was too greedy to pay IW the royalties and fees they deserved.

There's no excuse to not use dedicated servers. In fact, when IWNet got busted open, dedicated servers made the game so much better.

Bad Company was, as DICE stated, filler while they developed the engine for Battlefield 3. Now that Battlefield 3 is here and the engine is complete, Bad Company is dead. No we shouldn't of had Bf3 earlier. It would not be the technical marvel it is today.

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#50 Phazevariance
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Call of Duty isn't innovative and Activision is evil and greedy. There's no fallacies there.

DangerousLiquid

Neither is BF. What can BF show up that even compares to what COD4 did?

Everything BF has came from BF2 which was out long before COD4.