The Modern Warfare 2 Boycott And PC Gaming In The Future

I actually find it funny, that people believe that they are doing good when they pirated Modern Warfare 2. Infinity Ward won't be looking at those who pirated the game as potential buyers, they'll more then likely look at them as people who stole the game. Yes stole. And honestly, who's to say most of you won't pirate again ? You ? You and what will power ? You did it in the first place, odds are in your minds the idea of it is no longer such a big deal. It's easy and free. Human nature. Just like alcohol, smoking, and every other thing that's downloaded off the internet. PC gaming is the next music industry. Where mostly everyone get's their music for free while occasionally buying an album if they like a certain artist. Or buying your songs off of itunes, while realizing at the end of the year you spent $1000 on downloads, and you could have done it for free for the same convenience.

Then we have not only PC game sales down lower then they have ever been, but good exclusives been produced less and less. Games are now being made for the consoles first, then slowly making their way over to the PC. Sure you get to enjoy better graphics and others, but for how long ? Before this generation, PC gaming was dominant. Consoles did not directly effect the PC and it's game selection. Did not effect whether or not developers actually wanted to make games for it. Some of you must be seeing this happen, I can not be the only one seeing the platform slowly whither away.

Now my argument is not based on the past but the present. In the past consoles did their thing, and the PC did it's own. But this generation has been so vastly different then anything anyones seen before. The PS3 has it's own Internet browser, while both consoles offer downloadable content such as TV shows and music right from the console itself. What happens when next generation consoles offer game graphics as the likes of Gears of War 2, Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2 for every game ? What about keyboard and mouse support ? Or an actually useful internet browser ? Eventually the consoles will (possibly just the Xbox 720) be just like a PC for developing and use.

Combine everything happening with the lack luster sales of PC gaming (in direct comparison with consoles) and eventually consoles will become more appealing and dominant. I use to love PC gaming, I was one of the biggest Counter Strike Source addicts, but I played on the same PC setup for 4 years and it eventually was going to cost me $600 to upgrade. Instead I went the console path. It's happening and I am warning you pirates to stop what you are doing or PC gaming will more then likely be dead in 10 years.

PC gaming won't die...

Is this like rip on PC gaming month? Those who pirated Modern Warfare 2 are irrelevant, the game has sold so much it doesn't even matter. Yes PC piracy is bad, however discussing it over and over is pretty damn useless. what has it accomplished? Nothing and in terms of this particular issue no matter how many times its discussed nothing has a chance of being resolved so can we drop it? Please?

I remember reading somewhere that a indie dev said that if there was no piracy it would be bad for sales. Most pirates treat pirated games as a extended demo, if they like it they'll buy it. I know many people who download the odd track off a music album then go buy the full thing.

PC gaming won't die...

psn8214

I should have rephrased a couple of things. Not affecting MMO or RTS games, or the already solid PC gaming fan base. Just how developers look at the gaming industry when comparing certain titles and how consoles are now directly effecting PC games.

Do people still confuse downloads with lost sales?

Do you seriously people are willing to pay for the PC games they complete in 3 days or less?

Yeah, it sucks that pirates killed the music industry and are now killing PC gaming. I miss music...

Oh wait.

Slashkice

I never said they killed it. It was merely an example, because the people who make the music still make millions. But PC gaming is different in that example, because no one besides CEO's and shareholders make millions. I'm just pointing out the lead consoles have taken, and I want people to stop pirating. Or at least make them aware of the consequences.

PC gaming won't die...

psn8214

Pirates won't stop pirating.AAllxxjjnn

PC gamers would have been screwed regardless of whether they bought MW2 or not.Hewkii

Screwed out of what ? The game is essentially the same without the best possible online connections. And how does that warrant stealing ? So I am now allowed to steal anything under $60 because it wasn't perfect ? Or isn't like every other type of *insert example* ?

Has it been said that is maybe why IW has decided not to run dedicated servers?

I'm not a PC player outside of a few games and have not kept up on the whole boycott issue….But if I was a developer and my work was taken from me..Would it not be salt in the wound if I have to pay for the servers/maintenance?.

TC, it is just as easy to pirate a console game and softmod or hardmod any current-gen console to read burnt discs. If people are willing to go through downloading multiple gigabytes of a game, they will also be willing to do it for a console game and just burn it onto a disc and mod their console in a matter of minutes. Stop acting like it's exclusive to the PC.princeofshapeir

How many modded or pirated Wii and PS3 games/consoles are there ? If things go the way I believe them too, the Xbox 360 will use a Blu-Ray drive next gen and that will only further reduce pirating for that console. And for ease ? It's 100 times easier to pirate a PC game online then it is to mod a Xbox 360. I know this because I have tried.

Screwed out of what ? The game is essentially the same without the best possible online connections. And how does that warrant stealing ? So I am now allowed to steal anything under $60 because it wasn't perfect ? Or isn't like every other type of *insert example* ?

AdjacentLives

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PC gaming won't die...

AdjacentLives

I should have rephrased a couple of things. Not affecting MMO or RTS games, or the already solid PC gaming fan base. Just how developers look at the gaming industry when comparing certain titles and how consoles are now directly effecting PC games.

The boycott and all the dedicated servers drama did have a very positive impact on PCgaming

Plus I love how console fanboys act like PC loosing big budgeted exclusives is somehow terrible and a sign of the market's troubles, but they ignore the same thing (only on much bigger scale) has been happening with consoles

Not sure what the MW2 boycott has to do with PC piracy...I sure hope to god you're not trying to equate boycotters with pirates.

and pc gamers wonder why they're demands aren't met. but they sure love to steal games. lmfao

and pc gamers wonder why they're demands aren't met. but they sure love to steal games. lmfao

bokiloki

lol so true :P

thing about pc gaming is more and more people are shifting to consoles. One of the main reasons is that pc gaming is expensive and a hassle. You need to have a decent computer to play and then the next year you need to spend serious $$ to upgrade your computer. Also check out games like warcraft and WoW made by blizzard, they sell in the tens of millions of copies sold regardless of piracy. I remember back in the day nearly 9 years now I had a pirated copy of starcraft. But I loved the game, so I went out and bought an original copy. I lost that and just recently bought the battlechest. I enjoyed the game so I bought it. The majority of pirates operate similarly. Also the majority of pirates who dl games most likely wouldn't have purchased the game in the first place.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]TC, it is just as easy to pirate a console game and softmod or hardmod any current-gen console to read burnt discs. If people are willing to go through downloading multiple gigabytes of a game, they will also be willing to do it for a console game and just burn it onto a disc and mod their console in a matter of minutes. Stop acting like it's exclusive to the PC.AdjacentLives

How many modded or pirated Wii and PS3 games/consoles are there ? If things go the way I believe them too, the Xbox 360 will use a Blu-Ray drive next gen and that will only further reduce pirating for that console. And for ease ? It's 100 times easier to pirate a PC game online then it is to mod a Xbox 360. I know this because I have tried.

So if every developer was REALLY so affected by piracy, they would develop solely for the PS3. As we can see, this is NOT the case. In fact it almost seems to be the opposite, with the PS3 losing titles to the 360 all the time.

Also, as much as I believe that Activision deserves some form of punishment for butchering COD MW2 and consolizing the whole series, STEALING is not the answer. Boycotting a game, doesn't eman stealing it. If you want to boycott, then you have to outright not play it. BTW, if those numbers keep up for COD games you can bet that COD will simply move to consoles exclusively, then PC gamers will have nothing to comlain about.

a crazy man runs around outside, ripping his shirt off, and shouts out loud in the middle of a group full of people "THE WORLD IS ENDING, REPENT NOW SINNERS" the crowd gives him a strange look then goes on with there day, the world didnt end, and pc gaming isnt dying, just because people say its dying doesnt mean that it is.

thing about pc gaming is more and more people are shifting to consoles. One of the main reasons is that pc gaming is expensive and a hassle. You need to have a decent computer to play and then the next year you need to spend serious $$ to upgrade your computer. blaznwiipspman1

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and pc gamers wonder why they're demands aren't met. but they sure love to steal games. lmfao

aroxx_ab

lol so true :P

demands weren't met = pirated.

not

pirated = so demands weren't met

If anything it's proof why demands are usually met, because if they aren't your game wont sell, eg. gtaiv on pc and obviously MW2.

pirating MW2 is a good thing

that game does not deserve ANY of our money it is an abomination of a PC gameshadow_hosi

I agree completely, people are like "oh well MW3 wont be on PC" which is ridiculous, it's plainly obvious to IW that they messed up BIG TIME and you sure as hell bet when they release MW3 or whatever next cod game on PC it will have dedicated servers etc.

I don't agree with piracy though I believe it was the right option for PC gamers.

Here's why:

1) Refuse to buy game and do not pirate

Outcome = IW possibly think "oh well maybe PC gaming is dying" or "COD is more popular on consoles" therefore "maybe we shouldn't release next one on PC"

2) Just buy the game anyway

Outcome = IW "Oh well charging them extra for less and no dedicated servers didn't negatively affect sales, we'll do it next time too since it's less work"

3) Pirate the game

Outcome = IW realise they messed up, they're aware there are 4.1 million potential customers/fans of COD on PC platform, they lose out on a bunch of money and have worse reputation and next time around they wont release a broken mess consolised version.

Add multiplayer to your PC game and it won't be stolen.

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[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]TC, it is just as easy to pirate a console game and softmod or hardmod any current-gen console to read burnt discs. If people are willing to go through downloading multiple gigabytes of a game, they will also be willing to do it for a console game and just burn it onto a disc and mod their console in a matter of minutes. Stop acting like it's exclusive to the PC.AdjacentLives

How many modded or pirated Wii and PS3 games/consoles are there ? If things go the way I believe them too, the Xbox 360 will use a Blu-Ray drive next gen and that will only further reduce pirating for that console. And for ease ? It's 100 times easier to pirate a PC game online then it is to mod a Xbox 360. I know this because I have tried.

As long as people have access to the hardware people will try and mod. Just because you did not succeed in doing so does not mean that once the technology becomes cheaper and more accessible there will be more modding. This will eventually lead to everying being digitally distributed. Even then, Im sure people will find ways around that system.

. One of the main reasons is that pc gaming is expensive and a hassle. You need to have a decent computer to play and then the next year you need to spend serious $$ to upgrade your computer

blaznwiipspman1

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lol so true :P

Brainkiller05

demands weren't met = pirated.

not

pirated = so demands weren't met

If anything it's proof why demands are usually met, because if they aren't your game wont sell, eg. gtaiv on pc and obviously MW2.

pirating MW2 is a good thing

that game does not deserve ANY of our money it is an abomination of a PC gameshadow_hosi

I agree completely, people are like "oh well MW3 wont be on PC" which is ridiculous, it's plainly obvious to IW that they messed up BIG TIME and you sure as hell bet when they release MW3 or whatever next cod game on PC it will have dedicated servers etc.

I don't agree with piracy though I believe it was the right option for PC gamers.

Here's why:

1) Refuse to buy game and do not pirate

Outcome = IW possibly think "oh well maybe PC gaming is dying" or "COD is more popular on consoles" therefore "maybe we shouldn't release next one on PC"

2) Just buy the game anyway

Outcome = IW "Oh well charging them extra for less and no dedicated servers didn't negatively affect sales, we'll do it next time too since it's less work"

3) Pirate the game

Outcome = IW realise they messed up, they're aware there are 4.1 million potential customers/fans of COD on PC platform, they lose out on a bunch of money and have worse reputation and next time around they wont release a broken mess consolised version.

You forgot 4) IW is pissed that the PC community pirated the game and releases the game exclusive to consoles just to spite PC gamers. It's not like they would lose any sales anyways.....And since the console community doesn't care if they get servers(some even pay extra for P2P), this seems more likely then IW just giving PC gamers their servers back.

You guys have it the wrong way around:

demands weren't met = pirated.Brainkiller05

I have yet to see anyone explain why IW would have any desire to listen to the pirates, especially when they have a much more cooperative user base elsewhere.

All games begin their production process on a PC one way or another. I can't see PC gaming dying if i'm honest.

You forgot 4) IW is pissed that the PC community pirated the game and releases the game exclusive to consoles just to spite PC gamers. It's not like they would lose any sales anyways..

xX-Incubus-Xx

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You forgot 4) IW is pissed that the PC community pirated the game and releases the game exclusive to consoles just to spite PC gamers. It's not like they would lose any sales anyways..

AdrianWerner

PC gaming could be in trouble if it wasnt tremendously easy to develop for and has an enormous consumer base. Those 2 reasons are why PC gaming will never die and why it currently is thriving.

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You forgot 4) IW is pissed that the PC community pirated the game and releases the game exclusive to consoles just to spite PC gamers. It's not like they would lose any sales anyways..

AdrianWerner

They would..... if the CEO was a 5-year-old. There are two (well maybe actually 3) logical reasons for the number of pirated copies:

1) The really retarded one: There are that many pirates on PC => every PC gamer is a pirate

2) The dumb one: Most of those people did this just to spite Activision

3) The reasonable one: A lot of people wanted to play the game for the SP since the MP was worse than COD4 and a 5 hour game doesn't warrant a 60 freaking dollar purchase.

The day a gaming rig is cheap like consoles (the ones you buy from stores are still crap for gaming), they will easily drop PC versions. 2 -3 years, quote me. (if next gen hasn't started by then)

SaltyMeatballs