The more we hear about RTX, the more it seems like a mistake #lolPCGaming

Take Battlefield 5 for example;

On the thorny issue of gaming performance Digital Foundry noted the following on the test RTX 2080 Ti demo systems running the new Battlefield game:

• 1080p resolution: 60fps
• 1440p resolution: 40-50fps
• 4K resolution: <30fps

Source

Who in their right fucking mind would pay 1K$+ for a GPU to play at sub 30fps? I wouldn't care if the game looked like a pixar movie. The more time passes, the more I think RTX is gonna be a huge mistake like PhysX or Hairworks. Some bullocks NVIDIA proprietary feature that will be in a handful of games and will cripple performance. To this DAY many PhysX games still run like complete shit and make the FPS of my 1080 Ti tank. Should have focused on delivering more performance using classic rendering methods NVIDIA. The cards are out in 2 weeks and unless they started working on RTX last week, there is no way it will not destroy performance no matter how much optimization is done.

It's gotta start somewhere, but this isn't a good start.

I'm in no rush - I think I've got another year or two on my 970 and then I'll upgrade monitors and gpus at the same time to an affordable high-mid range. Not dumping my wallet for the next big (mediocre) thing

I could have started on the 30 series. The insane price tag for what is reportedly a standard performance jump doesn't help either.

Are these cards replacing the GTX line?

@Epak_: Of course.

Yep, you've hit the nail on the head.

They've traded a decent 60%+ performance improvement over a 1080ti for a ~20% improvement and ray tracking.

Topped off with it more then likely flopping as Nvidia proprietary software always does.

Such a stupid gamble and have made upgrading from a 1080ti to a 2080ti pretty much worthless from a gamee performance point of view.

They should have went the route similar to unified shaders for ray tracing.

PC gaming...not for me.

Same was said for hardware T&L and dedicated GPUs in the time of software rendering and look where we are today. Things has to start from somewhere. And yes, I'm aware that hardware T&L existed in arcade systems before making its way into PC GPUs.

I don't remember hardware based T&L being propriety software and locked out from every other vendor....... So cut the comparison as they're no where close to being the same thing.

Well I wanted to stay a few years on my 1080 Ti anyway. Once I buy a new GPU, the RTX models will be better

Its early and they working on loads of tweaks and performance improvements.

Credit to Nvidia for trying to take things forward.

DF think its got real potential

@tdkmillsy: It has limited potential and that is mainly due to games already looking particularly great. The vast majority of gamers don’t care for the additional accuracy ray tracing can bring to the table. That is mainly due to the difference between it being on and off barely discernible. Ray tracing is more beneficial to developers than gamers.

I love it....perfect reflections in eyes.......in a fucking first person shooter.....what a waste.

@scatteh316: First person game so action benefits the most from this tech.

Nothing benefits from this tech as they've just gimped the actual GPU to implement this.

So instead of increasing ALU's, ROP's, TMU's and other aspects of the GPU that would have a much more noticeable benefit to gamers and graphics they've decided to go with something that'll end up like PhysX.

In other words I would sooner have Half Life 2 graphics with no ray tracing then Half Life 1 graphics with ray tracing.

"Even Dice were surprised the game was running at all at 4K with ray tracing. These are early days of their implementation and the hardware and the drivers. So they're not sure how far the game can be pushed until the game or the driver crashes."

Bullshit thread and bullshit clickbait article. "Hexus.net" and @Juub1990 are misrepresenting Digital Foundry's information. Below is a timestamped version of the video with the quote.

Where did you hear they are replacing the standard GTX product line? I didn't see that bit in your linked article. What makes you think? Who knows, we might see an 1180, or equivalent, at some point.

Also: what's wrong with buying a 1080 Ti now? They are still way overpowered for games and are super cheap now thanks to the crypto bubble popping. If you don't care about this brand new tech, don't buy it.

Ray tracing produces amazing looking lighting and I'll happily grab one of these cards as soon as I see one good game that supports it well. Thankfully no one is forcing you to buy a 2080, though you wouldn't know it based on your OP.

This is a poor analogy. As the OP states, wouldn't it be more like HL2 with no RT at 60fps VS HL2 with RT at 30fps? And then wouldn't it just be like using a console with better graphics and the benefit of ray tracing? Or have you guys flip-flopped and 30fps is a bad thing now?

...sorry guys... I didn't mean to interrupt your circle-jerk of dumb statements.... carry on.

I don;t think you understood the top half of my post, if you need it explaining I'm more then happy too.

@scatteh316: The only thing you need to explain is why your brain came up with that shit analogy instead of something logical.

Who said anything about proprietary? Besides real ray-tracing has also being supported by DirectX in the form of DXR. RTX is Nvidia's implementation.

But those are just performance with Ray Tracing enabled though right? did they post results with the feature disabled? that interests me more than ray tracing tbh.

Yessss. It's about time.

Wait for 7nm next year, where we will see the real performance boost over Pascal. These 2000 series will be short lived and a waste of money and time for anyone that has a 1070 type of performance or better.

@Dark_sageX: Yes they're faster than the last series but the 2080ti is said to be only 20% faster than the 1080ti. Its not worth the upgrade if you don't care about the ray tracing. And at that price not many do.

What a joke, I'm so glad I didn't preorder this bullshit. Nvidia trying to scam us with a proprietary tech again that tanks performance like Physx.

I'll wait for the 7nm GPUs for the real boost to performance. Paying $1200 for a GPU to play games in sub-30fps so that you'll get more realistic eye reflections is the saddest joke I've ever seen. **** Nvidia!

I wish they made both a GTX line favoring performance as well as a RTX line favoring raytracing.

That way people that don't want to jump in immediately in this new tech could still get a decent card for 4K or 120FPS gaming.

I think the tech has a lot of potential, and it needs to start somewhere.

i'll probably stick with my 1080 though

Ray tracing is not ready for enthusiast gamers yet and that is who they are banking on to adopt it. We are not going to give up 1440p, 4K, ultrawide, and high frame rates for ray tracing. Also, most are not going to pay the scam prices like the RTX 2080 Ti's $1200. Fuk that.

How about we don't jump to conclusions and wait to see what it's like with proper drivers, running a finished game?

Nah screw that...Let's keep going with the teacup storm.

I just want double-performance to what I have. For twice the cost, it should be twice the performance. Glad to know I can keep my 1080Ti for now and not be completely outclassed by the RTX 2080Ti. For $1,200, I would pay that price if it offered double-performance of the 1080Ti but so far, it doesn't look like it will :(

I get that Raytracing needs to start somewhere, but this is a tall stretch cause the tech is way too early. As of now, it's just "eye candy"

I will say this, though - I think the people saying the visual upgrade is unnoticeable are being uncharitable. As someone who's worked with raytracing for a long time with static rendering I can tell you it's capable of amazing things and when you turn the dials you can see a big shift from traditional illumination seen in games. And if you watch the DF video above there are some pretty nice benefits.

But for me it's just not worth the performance hit right now. No way, not for a grand+

The title should say lolnvidia

Yawn, call me when you have a AAA exclusive to impress with those visuals. Also the card will be obsolete in a couple of months when next gen systems drop.

For people to whom gaming is a casual hobby, these prices totally kill the pc.

I can no longer recommend pc gaming to my friends.

If you want to buy a 2080ti you spend 1300 euros here.

If you have a 1080ti and are lucky selling it for 550 euros you spend 750 euros just for a gpu upgrade! It's insane! And that is just the gpu!

Ram prices are high, ssd prices are high... And the mining craze can return at any moment.

Next Intel new cpus are said to cost over 600 euros for the 9900k...

And in the meantime a Ps4 pro can be bought new for 350 euros.

That means you can buy a Ps4 pro now and then later in 2019 probably get a ps5 that shouldn't cost more than 500 euros at launch and spend less on two consoles than on a single pc gpu that will be replaced with new tech in a years tops.

The ps5, even if a mid gen refresh comes, should last at least 4 years without needing to upgrade or even think about upgrading.

Sorry, I just had to write this so I could see for myself how ridiculous pc gaming has become with these prices and these market conditions.

I was thinking about upgrading to a 2080ti, but once rationality settled in, I think I might be out of pc gaming...

So even with that card it's still hard to run games at ether 1440p or 4K in 60 fps and it costs over $1000? Yeah no, what a ripoff.

PC has a wide range of hardware at various price points. Also, games scale to different hardware. So, your argument is shit. You can't judge PC solely based on enthusiast level pricing.

my 4790k & 1080 can smash any game releasing this year.

Lol at "oh the newest hardware is too expensive so pc gaming is shit"

Only if ray tracing is turned on. Otherwise, regular game performance should be good, but not good enough to warrant the crazy price tag. I think if the RTX 2080 Ti was priced at $800, people wouldn't be so pissed off about the whole situation.

I agree. Reflections are one thing that's never been done right like this fake crap. I also see plenty of the fake crap in Far Cry 3.

If developers want to fake say, the sun reflections, at least, have the sun visible above the horizon like in this photo. Ray-tracing gets it right.

This line will get a couple of revisions and hopefully be more affordable in time for the new consoles.

Seems like a calculated endeavor, TBH. Even if RTX isn’t prime for the main stage, it’s a necessary step for the tech’s evolution.

I won’t be upgrading, only because I don’t have as much time to play and even when I do, I’ve been sticking to OW.

The only reason why NVidia could even release those RTX cards at the price they are is because AMD hasn't released anything for a while and Vega was in an extreme shortage due to crypto.

The joke is really on all of the folks who are buying the RTX cards. I use AMD gpus, but for a 1080 Ti is more than enough for today's games.

1080 ‘‘tis should reduce in price as a result?

Oh ok I didn't know about the ray tracing feature. But yeah you're right that it should of still been cheaper though. I do hope that the GTX 1080 price becomes lower since I want to upgrade from my GTX 1060 6GB card.

Soooooo, don't buy the absolute top end gear??? See that wasn't hard.

Lol are people really this butthurt over raytracing. What FPS and resolution you think PC’s gonna get with ray tracing off? This is like trying to roast somebody driving a Ferrari while you’re driving a 94 Taurus wagon.

@jereb31: right? his post is very confused... it'll lol'worthy to act like a 2080TI and 9900K are somehow the normal entry point for being a PC gamer.

"I can no longer in good conscience recommend driving cars to my friends. To get a McLaren 720S is just not affordable when they could also get across town on a Schwinn. Just buy a Schwinn. Cars are ridiculous"

That's what I'm pondering, if these RTX cards replace them I might get a cheap GTX 1080ti this year already. :o