The most shocking lack of logic on SW

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#1 NielsNL
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Quite a few examples to pick from, but when I think of it the oddest thing that is common practise here is the complete disregard for multiplats. If a console doesn't get good exclusives it doesn't have a good lineup is a very common thought here, it seems. This applies for instance to people claiming that the first two years of the PS3 sucked. Quite frankly, it wasn't that bad, but people just ignore multiplats. Another example is people claiming the 360's 2011 will suck as a fact,even though there will be loads and loads of multiplats. This kind of strange reasoning is really exclusive to SW (and comparable online communities).

Anyone got other examples of recurring fallacies, so to speak, that they've noticed here on SW?

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#2 campzor
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Oh my....where to begin..
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#3 dvalo9
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ps3 hacked = ps3's gen is over
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If I have a PS3, a 360, and a PC, and one of those 3 is only getting a bunch of multiplats I won't play on it. Why would I think of it as having a good year?
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#5 FatCatPatRat
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We argue over video game consoles. This should not surprise you...

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#6 NielsNL
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If I have a PS3, a 360, and a PC, and one of those 3 is only getting a bunch of multiplats I won't play on it. Why would I think of it as having a good year?Skittles_McGee

Because you are not the norm and 'real people' don't care (or even know) whether a game is multiplat or not and generally own only one console anyway.

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#7 Skittles_McGee
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[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]If I have a PS3, a 360, and a PC, and one of those 3 is only getting a bunch of multiplats I won't play on it. Why would I think of it as having a good year?NielsNL

Because you are not the norm and 'real people' don't care (or even know) whether a game is multiplat or not and generally own only one console anyway.

So I'm not a real person? Whooooooooooooaaaa... then... I shall remake this world in the image I desire!
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Some mistakes i see made repeatedly.
$60 a year is $0.0000019 a second, so it's really cheap!
Console games are in HD.
Price or cost of a game doesn't matter in terms of score or sales.
Handheld gaming is fundamentally less valuable.
The wii can't offer a good online experience.

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#10 vashkey
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Shooter = bad

Just because you don't like shooters doesn't mean they should not exist or that they are bad. If you're tired of them stop playing them and just because the world doesn't follow in your footsteps doesn't mean they're idiots.

What I hate most though are those people who sit and say they wont buy a game and know they wont like, then they buy the game anyway and then complain about how terrible the game is. This mostly applies to Call of Duty and Halo. I've seen people who seemingly purchase those games for their invisible legit complaint internet forum license.

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"ps3 hacked = ps3's gen is over"dvalo9
.........and the fact that it's said by fanboys of this gen's most hacked console makes it all the more laughable.
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#13 dvalo9
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[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="dvalo9"]"ps3 hacked = ps3's gen is over"mattuk69
.........and the fact that it's said by fanboys of this gen's most hacked console makes it all the more laughable.

Wii has been hacked, 360 has been hacked, PC has been pirated to hell and back on some games. My point is stfu!

I agree it's just lems blowing it out of proportion.
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#14 campzor
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[QUOTE="mattuk69"][QUOTE="nervmeister"].........and the fact that it's said by fanboys of this gen's most hacked console makes it all the more laughable. dvalo9
Wii has been hacked, 360 has been hacked, PC has been pirated to hell and back on some games. My point is stfu!

I agree it's just lems blowing it out of proportion.

someone has to add it to the list
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#15 antifanboyftw
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multiplats alone won't help a console. neither will exclusives. it is only the combination of the two that creates a good year for the system.
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[QUOTE="dvalo9"]"ps3 hacked = ps3's gen is over"nervmeister
.........and the fact that it's said by fanboys of this gen's most hacked console makes it all the more laughable.

The Wii is the most pirated console, the PSP is the most pirated handheld.:roll:

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#17 TheGrudge13
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because you can play mutiplat on any system thats why they are called mutiplat but the exclusives are what defines a system because you can only play them on that system , so they give the system the edge over the other ones because you cant play them on the other systems
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If I have a PS3, a 360, and a PC, and one of those 3 is only getting a bunch of multiplats I won't play on it. Why would I think of it as having a good year?Skittles_McGee
Well i have all 3 and i can tell you the ones being played the most this year are my PC and 360.
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#19 KlepticGrooves
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Quite a few examples to pick from, but when I think of it the oddest thing that is common practise here is the complete disregard for multiplats. If a console doesn't get good exclusives it doesn't have a good lineup is a very common thought here, it seems. This applies for instance to people claiming that the first two years of the PS3 sucked. Quite frankly, it wasn't that bad, but people just ignore multiplats. Another example is people claiming the 360's 2011 will suck as a fact,even though there will be loads and loads of multiplats. This kind of strange reasoning is really exclusive to SW (and comparable online communities).

Anyone got other examples of recurring fallacies, so to speak, that they've noticed here on SW?

NielsNL

Yeah, although I think the exclusives/multiplat argument should only be used as one of the reasons to purchase one console over another. There's no point buying Console A over Console B if all the exclusive games you like are on Console B. Sure, multiplats are great, but you can play them regardless of what major system you're playing on. Online, exclusives, price, accessories and DVD/Blu-ray capability are the types of things that differentiate consoles.

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[QUOTE="dvalo9"][QUOTE="mattuk69"] Wii has been hacked, 360 has been hacked, PC has been pirated to hell and back on some games. My point is stfu!campzor
I agree it's just lems blowing it out of proportion.

someone has to add it to the list

Really only need one item on the list of the ps3 equivalent list. Once the ps3 is released it will outsell the 360 and Wii within the first week... Cows actually said this back in 2006.
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[QUOTE="mattuk69"][QUOTE="nervmeister"].........and the fact that it's said by fanboys of this gen's most hacked console makes it all the more laughable. dvalo9
Wii has been hacked, 360 has been hacked, PC has been pirated to hell and back on some games. My point is stfu!

I agree it's just lems blowing it out of proportion.

I guess you didn't get the memo...there are more torrents available for ps3 games then 360...
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#22 DraugenCP
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Well, there are some recent trends that annoy me:

* People who complain about shooters having no creativity and originality, and then going on to admit they only play unoriginal shooters such as Call of Duty and Medal of Honor.

* A while ago there seemed to be a lot of topics with complaints about how Crysis was supposedly 'just another generic shooter' with great graphics. Be more creative, fools.

And my all-time favourite is not recurring, but therefore not any less baffling and memorable:

"SMG2 is not an exclusive because I can pirate it on my PC."

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[QUOTE="dvalo9"][QUOTE="mattuk69"] Wii has been hacked, 360 has been hacked, PC has been pirated to hell and back on some games. My point is stfu!WilliamRLBaker
I agree it's just lems blowing it out of proportion.

I guess you didn't get the memo...there are more torrents available for ps3 games then 360...

that is definitely not true.. or please link to an article saying so

OT.

Console graphics are atrocious ( and every other sentence like this, that is exaggerated to the point where its ridiculous)

30 fps is unplayable except if its crysis, because that's smooth as butter at 20 fps.

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Quite a few examples to pick from, but when I think of it the oddest thing that is common practise here is the complete disregard for multiplats. If a console doesn't get good exclusives it doesn't have a good lineup is a very common thought here, it seems. This applies for instance to people claiming that the first two years of the PS3 sucked. Quite frankly, it wasn't that bad, but people just ignore multiplats. Another example is people claiming the 360's 2011 will suck as a fact,even though there will be loads and loads of multiplats. This kind of strange reasoning is really exclusive to SW (and comparable online communities).

Anyone got other examples of recurring fallacies, so to speak, that they've noticed here on SW?

NielsNL

Multiplats are good. There are lots of great multiplats coming out next year, but the thing is multiplats don't define a console or set one console apart from the other; exclusives do this. What's the point in owning both a 360 and a ps3 if they mostly just have the same games?

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SW is just a huge circlejerk

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#26 Sagem28
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Logic ? On SW ?

LOL

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That paying for online on 360 makes it better than PSN and Steam.
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Quite a few examples to pick from, but when I think of it the oddest thing that is common practise here is the complete disregard for multiplats. If a console doesn't get good exclusives it doesn't have a good lineup is a very common thought here, it seems. This applies for instance to people claiming that the first two years of the PS3 sucked. Quite frankly, it wasn't that bad, but people just ignore multiplats. Another example is people claiming the 360's 2011 will suck as a fact,even though there will be loads and loads of multiplats. This kind of strange reasoning is really exclusive to SW (and comparable online communities).

Anyone got other examples of recurring fallacies, so to speak, that they've noticed here on SW?

NielsNL
The thing is that multiplats hardly justify one consoles superiority over another. If you had a choice to play a system where you have 8 games while other has those 8 games + 4 more that are not on the other system, that is clearly an advantage of the later. Anyone looking to buy a system would probably pick up the second one since it actually offers something the other doesn't have.
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#29 delta3074
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[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

Quite a few examples to pick from, but when I think of it the oddest thing that is common practise here is the complete disregard for multiplats. If a console doesn't get good exclusives it doesn't have a good lineup is a very common thought here, it seems. This applies for instance to people claiming that the first two years of the PS3 sucked. Quite frankly, it wasn't that bad, but people just ignore multiplats. Another example is people claiming the 360's 2011 will suck as a fact,even though there will be loads and loads of multiplats. This kind of strange reasoning is really exclusive to SW (and comparable online communities).

Anyone got other examples of recurring fallacies, so to speak, that they've noticed here on SW?

kuraimen
The thing is that multiplats hardly justify one consoles superiority over another. If you had a choice to play a system where you have 8 games while other has those 8 games + 4 more that are not on the other system, that is clearly an advantage of the later. Anyone looking to buy a system would probably pick up the second one since it actually offers something the other doesn't have.

depends if someone actually wants the extra games that are on offer, especially if the first console is cheaper, people don't just buy consoles based on there library they also buy consoles according to cost and what they can afoord, when the 360 released here it was only 280 quid, that's only 30 quid more than what they are asking for a Ps3 today 5 years down the line, also, multiplats can definitly define one system over another, my main reason for buying a 360 was for PC/360 multiplats but mainly because it was cheaper, left4dead may be a multiplat but is a huge reason why i would choose a 360 over a Ps3, not all multiplats are on all systems so it's basically niot as simple as you would like to believe, unless they are a total fanboy, people will put cost before library.
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#30 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="NielsNL"]

Quite a few examples to pick from, but when I think of it the oddest thing that is common practise here is the complete disregard for multiplats. If a console doesn't get good exclusives it doesn't have a good lineup is a very common thought here, it seems. This applies for instance to people claiming that the first two years of the PS3 sucked. Quite frankly, it wasn't that bad, but people just ignore multiplats. Another example is people claiming the 360's 2011 will suck as a fact,even though there will be loads and loads of multiplats. This kind of strange reasoning is really exclusive to SW (and comparable online communities).

Anyone got other examples of recurring fallacies, so to speak, that they've noticed here on SW?

delta3074
The thing is that multiplats hardly justify one consoles superiority over another. If you had a choice to play a system where you have 8 games while other has those 8 games + 4 more that are not on the other system, that is clearly an advantage of the later. Anyone looking to buy a system would probably pick up the second one since it actually offers something the other doesn't have.

depends if someone actually wants the extra games that are on offer, especially if the first console is cheaper, people don't just buy consoles based on there library they also buy consoles according to cost and what they can afoord, when the 360 released here it was only 280 quid, that's only 30 quid more than what they are asking for a Ps3 today 5 years down the line, also, multiplats can definitly define one system over another, my main reason for buying a 360 was for PC/360 multiplats but mainly because it was cheaper, left4dead may be a multiplat but is a huge reason why i would choose a 360 over a Ps3, not all multiplats are on all systems so it's basically niot as simple as you would like to believe, unless they are a total fanboy, people will put cost before library.

I agree costs are a deciding factor. Funny stuff that, in the long run, the 360 is pretty much more expensive than the PS3 but people don't usually analyze things truly before buying things.
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Anyone got other examples of recurring fallacies, so to speak, that they've noticed here on SW?

NielsNL

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