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#1 hhscorpion
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I ve heard this statement over and over again, and its just redicoulos because the people that use it have no idea what they are talking about.

The truth is that Gameplay=graphics. If a person wants to experience true next gen gameplay they need the graphics to go along with it, because good graphics is essential for a good game experience and helps to draw the player more and more into the game. The stupid statement , "I prefer gameplay over graphics" is just a made up sh#$t by stupid sheep fanboys that arent getting the graphics that ps3 and 360 are offering.

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#2 myke2010
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I own a PC and a 360. I do not own a Wii. I prefer gameplay to graphics. Get over yourself.
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#3 BioShockOwnz
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I'm not a sheep and I'll say that you're flatout wrong. Graphics don't make a game great.
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#4 Tylendal
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By your reasoning, a Gigli > Ocarina of Time...
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#5 hhscorpion
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I own a PC and a 360. I do not own a Wii. I prefer gameplay to graphics. Get over yourself.myke2010

did you even read my post? you just restated the retorical statement I prefer gameplay to graphics. Again Graphics is part of gameplay.

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#6 thirstychainsaw
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I'm not a sheep and I'll say that you're flatout wrong. Graphics don't make a game great. BioShockOwnz

I know that because I've played Sith Lords on the Xbox...Jesus...

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#7 foxhound_fox
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I prefer playing games. Not looking at them. Graphics are a sidebar to the gameplay. They will always become outdated. Gameplay and artstyIe on the other hand last forever. People aren't playing 20-year old games for their graphics.
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#8 hhscorpion
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OMG you people

What Im saying is that graphics enough arent good. Yes I know that. But Im saying gameplay alone isnt good either. Graphics are part of gameplay.

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#9 Kahuna_1
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The only thing I really care about for graphics is a stable framerate.
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#10 CAlNlAC
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I also prefer gameplay to graphics and I'm not a sheep. I own all the next-gen consoles plus a pretty decent PC.

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#11 OblivionXII
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Graphics usually complement the gameplay, and make it look more aesthetically pleasing. In some cases however, even games with bad graphics will make you spend many hours playing it instead of the "next gen" stuff.
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#12 myke2010
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[QUOTE="myke2010"]I own a PC and a 360. I do not own a Wii. I prefer gameplay to graphics. Get over yourself.hhscorpion

did you even read my post? you just restated the retorical statement I prefer gameplay to graphics. Again Graphics is part of gameplay.

One of my most anticipated games this winter is Beautiful Katamari. The game has graphics that can easily be done on a last gen system. It's still amazing because of the addictive simplistic gameplay. You're wrong, deal with it.
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#13 naval
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imo, game = graphics + story + presentation etc.,

graphics though a big part, is not the only factor or the necessary factor. it adds to the enjoyment of the game.

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#14 BioShockOwnz
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OMG you people

What Im saying is that graphics enough arent good. Yes I know that. But Im saying gameplay alone isnt good either. Graphics are part of gameplay.

hhscorpion

Not really. I just was playing Super Mario World and I enjoyed it just as much as any pretty and good playing current gen game.

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#15 jess5691
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You, sir, are wrong.

I still play some of my old DOS games have a lot of fun with them because they have awesome gameply.

Great gameplay can make bad graphics forgivable

And don't call me a sheep because the PS3 is the only console I own.

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I ve heard this statement over and over again, and its just redicoulos because the people that use it have no idea what they are talking about.

The truth is that Gameplay=graphics. If a person wants to experience true next gen gameplay they need the graphics to go along with it, because good graphics is essential for a good game experience and helps to draw the player more and more into the game. The stupid statement , "I prefer gameplay over graphics" is just a made up sh#$t by stupid sheep fanboys that arent getting the graphics that ps3 and 360 are offering.

hhscorpion

ONLY gameplay can make a game amazing. Graphics can make a game better, but no matter how good a game looks it still depends on gameplay to make the experience fun.

Like I said in another thread, Tetris and Mario are far superior to most modern games due to outstanding gameplay.

Games that rely on graphics do so due to limited gameplay.

Many games can be AAA w/ poor graphics but NO games can be AAA with poor gameplay.

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#17 hhscorpion
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I prefer playing games. Not looking at them. Graphics are a sidebar to the gameplay. They will always become outdated. Gameplay and artstyIe on the other hand last forever. People aren't playing 20-year old games for their graphics.foxhound_fox

First of all not that many people play 20 year old games. Second I see your sig displays Bioshock. One of the best single player experinces to date. Now You seriously belive that that gem with medicore graphics would of worked? Good graphics contribute to the overall feeling, of the gameplay and that is absolutely necessery.

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#18 kittykatz5k
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The stupidest statement a man can make in systemwars is to present and see his own opinion as something greater than gamespot's opinion. That is a mistake made by foolishly foolish fools.

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Graphics are apart of the gameplay. BioShock wouldn't be what it is if it wasn't for its art deco style of visuals. When a game is immersive you need a believeable enviornment and that has to do with graphics, an enhancement to gameplay. So Gameplay = graphics.
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#20 GundamGuy0
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OMG you people

What Im saying is that graphics enough arent good. Yes I know that. But Im saying gameplay alone isnt good either. Graphics are part of gameplay.

hhscorpion

Tell that to the D&D crowd...

Gameplay is the most important part of a Game... It's that makes games... games... and not movies...

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]I prefer playing games. Not looking at them. Graphics are a sidebar to the gameplay. They will always become outdated. Gameplay and artstyIe on the other hand last forever. People aren't playing 20-year old games for their graphics.hhscorpion

First of all not that many people play 20 year old games. Second I see your sig displays Bioshock. One of the best single player experinces to date. Now You seriously belive that that gem with medicore graphics would of worked? Good graphics contribute to the overall feeling, of the gameplay and that is absolutely necessery.

Metroid Prime and HLdid it perfectly

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OMG you people

What Im saying is that graphics enough arent good. Yes I know that. But Im saying gameplay alone isnt good either. Graphics are part of gameplay.

hhscorpion

Gameplay alone, without graphics is great. You've obviously never played WARP. That game was awesome. (Text Adventure).

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#23 myke2010
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[QUOTE="hhscorpion"]

OMG you people

What Im saying is that graphics enough arent good. Yes I know that. But Im saying gameplay alone isnt good either. Graphics are part of gameplay.

GundamGuy0

Tell that to the D&D crowd...

Gameplay is the most important part of a Game... It's that makes games... games... and not movies...

LOL, I didn't even think about that. I guess Monopoly sucks too, have you seen those blocky houses and hotels.
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Graphics are apart of the gameplay. BioShock wouldn't be what it is if it wasn't for its art deco style of visuals. When a game is immersive you need a believeable enviornment and that has to do with graphics, an enhancement to gameplay. So Gameplay = graphics.Pro_wrestler

XD System Shock managed with out the amazing next gen graphics...

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OMG you people

What Im saying is that graphics enough arent good. Yes I know that. But Im saying gameplay alone isnt good either. Graphics are part of gameplay.

hhscorpion

I wouldn't agree with that - most Infocom games are more enjoyable than a game with graphics but no gameplay (I can't think of an example of one at the moment).

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Graphics are apart of the gameplay. BioShock wouldn't be what it is if it wasn't for its art deco style of visuals. When a game is immersive you need a believeable enviornment and that has to do with graphics, an enhancement to gameplay. So Gameplay = graphics.Pro_wrestler

The graphics in Bioshock don't effect the gameplay, they effect the atmosphere.

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#27 Jagazaar
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China Warrior had mind-blowing graphics for its time. That made it an awesome game, right?

Graphics HELP a game to be good, they don't MAKE it good. If I want pure visual splendour, I'll watch some movies or something.

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#28 Tylendal
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According to the TC, Bomberman: Act Zero is better than most games ever made. :(
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First of all not that many people play 20 year old games. Second I see your sig displays Bioshock. One of the best single player experinces to date. Now You seriously belive that that gem with medicore graphics would of worked? Good graphics contribute to the overall feeling, of the gameplay and that is absolutely necessery.hhscorpion


Its artstyIe is what sets it apart from the rest of the UE3 dreck being pumped out. Without it, it would have looked like everything else. Bioshock is far more about atmosphere, ambient sounds, story telling and unique gameplay then it is about graphics. Just because it has amazing technical graphics only makes the game itself better.

System Shock 2 is an amazing game and looks like ass. Same thing with Deus Ex. Yet they still shame games that are coming out today in terms of gameplay. The only game that can challenge them is ironically Bioshock.

20 years from now. What are we going to remember about Bioshock. The amazing water effects and lighting engine... or its industry changing gameplay and incredibly unique atmosphere, story and characters?
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#30 hhscorpion
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imo, game = graphics + story + presentation etc.,

graphics though a big part, is not the only factor or the necessary factor. it adds to the enjoyment of the game.

naval

Did I ever say gameplay is the most important part? no And I totally agree with you statement. Its just people in this post are thinking that i prefer graphics over gameplay.

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#31 GundamGuy0
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[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]Graphics are apart of the gameplay. BioShock wouldn't be what it is if it wasn't for its art deco style of visuals. When a game is immersive you need a believeable enviornment and that has to do with graphics, an enhancement to gameplay. So Gameplay = graphics.Stabby2486

The graphics in Bioshock don't effect the gameplay, they effect the atmosphere.

And there have been games with great atmosphere before now... It's just getting easyer to make games with great atmosphere, because of how powerful graphics cards are...

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Text Adventures

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Oh, dang. I guess I should throw away my NES. You're totally right.
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#34 hhscorpion
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[QUOTE="hhscorpion"]First of all not that many people play 20 year old games. Second I see your sig displays Bioshock. One of the best single player experinces to date. Now You seriously belive that that gem with medicore graphics would of worked? Good graphics contribute to the overall feeling, of the gameplay and that is absolutely necessery.foxhound_fox


Its artstyIe is what sets it apart from the rest of the UE3 dreck being pumped out. Without it, it would have looked like everything else. Bioshock is far more about atmosphere, ambient sounds, story telling and unique gameplay then it is about graphics. Just because it has amazing technical graphics only makes the game itself better.

System Shock 2 is an amazing game and looks like ass. Same thing with Deus Ex. Yet they still shame games that are coming out today in terms of gameplay. The only game that can challenge them is ironically Bioshock.

20 years from now. What are we going to remember about Bioshock. The amazing water effects and lighting engine... or its industry changing gameplay and incredibly unique atmosphere, story and characters?

ok very good point but did you ever think what made the atmosphere story and characters beliveable? Graphics but dont get me wrong . Im not saying graphics are everything. Im saying Graphics is just as important as gameplay.

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Text Adventures

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Quality of graphics determined by the clock speed of your imagination processing unit.
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You're the stupidest statement in system wars was:

"Einstein and Hitler were in two totally different time periods"

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#37 hhscorpion
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According to the TC, Bomberman: Act Zero is better than most games ever made. :(Tylendal

OMFG I AM NOT SAYING GRAHPICS OVER GAMPLAY, IM SAYING GRAPHICS EQUALS GAMEPLAY.

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#38 Blackbond
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Gameplay=graphics

because good graphics is essential for a good game experience

hhscorpion

Go watch a Blu-Ray movie because you my friend aren't even a gamer.

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All I know is that other than Bioshock I have yet to see a game come close to the awesomeness that is Deus Ex in the years since its release.
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ok very good point but did you ever think what made the atmosphere story and characters beliveable? Graphics but dont get me wrong . Im not saying graphics are everything. Im saying Graphics is just as important as gameplay.hhscorpion


System Shock 2 was extremely atmospheric back in 1999 and didn't have near realistic graphics. It is considered one of the most atmospheric games of all time and its graphics are not believable now and they weren't believable back then. Graphics are the least important part of a game. They only define the generation a game comes from. Superb sound, story, gameplay, music and artstyIe are what makes a game stand out from the crowd.
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#41 naval
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[QUOTE="naval"]

imo, game = graphics + story + presentation etc.,

graphics though a big part, is not the only factor or the necessary factor. it adds to the enjoyment of the game.

hhscorpion

Did I ever say gameplay is the most important part? no And I totally agree with you statement. Its just people in this post are thinking that i prefer graphics over gameplay.

well you said, Gameplay=graphics. i guess you meant graphics add to the game. but the way you put has made lot a people think you mean to say gameplay is only graphics and nothing else.

otherwise, i would agree a game generally becomes more enjoyable with better grahics ( if that's what you wanted to say)

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#42 hhscorpion
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[QUOTE="hhscorpion"]

Gameplay=graphics

because good graphics is essential for a good game experience

Blackbond

Go watch a Blu-Ray movie because you my friend aren't even a gamer.

Yeah ok

WHat is gaming to you? Im sorry to not meet you standards.

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#43 hhscorpion
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[QUOTE="hhscorpion"][QUOTE="naval"]

imo, game = graphics + story + presentation etc.,

graphics though a big part, is not the only factor or the necessary factor. it adds to the enjoyment of the game.

naval

Did I ever say gameplay is the most important part? no And I totally agree with you statement. Its just people in this post are thinking that i prefer graphics over gameplay.

well you said, Gameplay=graphics. i guess you meant graphics add to the game. but the way you put has made lot a people think you mean to say gameplay is only graphics and nothing else.

otherwise, i would agree a game generally becomes more enjoyable with better grahics ( if that's what you wanted to say)

yes exactly

Im saying that people always want gameplay over graphics, but they are both just as important in a game, and bioshock is a perfect example.

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[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="hhscorpion"]

Gameplay=graphics

because good graphics is essential for a good game experience

hhscorpion

Go watch a Blu-Ray movie because you my friend aren't even a gamer.

Yeah ok

WHat is gaming to you? Im sorry to not meet you standards.

Well Gaming is about playing games... A.K.A Gameplay... so if you think Gameplay is just another piece of the puzzle then your not a gamer... your just in it for the entertainment.

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#45 GundamGuy0
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yes exactly

Im saying that people always want gameplay over graphics, but they are both just as important in a game, and bioshock is a perfect example.

hhscorpion

Execpt it's not... be cause Bioshock doesn't have great graphics... just very well done atmosphere, and good graphics.

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[QUOTE="Tylendal"]According to the TC, Bomberman: Act Zero is better than most games ever made. :(hhscorpion

OMFG I AM NOT SAYING GRAHPICS OVER GAMPLAY, IM SAYING GRAPHICS EQUALS GAMEPLAY.

Point taken, but Text Adventures still ruin your "Graphics=Gameplay" argument.

Here's a question for you.

Would you rather have

a) A game with mediocre gameplay and mediocre graphics.

b) A game with great graphics, but glitchy and not at all entertaining.

c) A game that entertains greatly, providing the right amount of challenge, and keeping the gamer hooked, but has blocky and monochromatic graphics.

By your reasoning, b) and c) are equal, but when I look at them, I see b) as being "Bomberman: Act Zero", while c) sounds like Frogger, Donkey Kong, WARP, or Area Flat 2.

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[QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="hhscorpion"][QUOTE="naval"]

imo, game = graphics + story + presentation etc.,

graphics though a big part, is not the only factor or the necessary factor. it adds to the enjoyment of the game.

hhscorpion

Did I ever say gameplay is the most important part? no And I totally agree with you statement. Its just people in this post are thinking that i prefer graphics over gameplay.

well you said, Gameplay=graphics. i guess you meant graphics add to the game. but the way you put has made lot a people think you mean to say gameplay is only graphics and nothing else.

otherwise, i would agree a game generally becomes more enjoyable with better grahics ( if that's what you wanted to say)

yes exactly

Im saying that people always want gameplay over graphics, but they are both just as important in a game, and bioshock is a perfect example.

If Bioshock was running on the original Unreal Engine, it would still be a better game than anything running on UE3.