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#1 smilingjack677
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there a lot of good games on pc yes, but the tech is very unstable. i constantly have to deal with my pc dying on me. my super nintendo would still work right now if i found it and just bought new controllers, because i broke the other one a long time ago. conversely, i had problems with my pc's ever since i started gaming. what happens when your pc hardware gets corrupted? you go look at a tech support forum for a thousand possible reasons. what happens if your console gets damaged? you send it back to customer support. ------- i really can't understand why ppl say that the pc has more sophisticated games either. all the good rpgs and fps that aren't ancient can be found on consoles too. unfortunately, im stuck with a scrap of metal that turns on me every year. where are the times when you just popped in the cd/disk and played instead of testing your hardware's overclocking limit and performance improvement? man, what a letdown.
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there a lot of good games on pc yes, but the tech is very unstable. i constantly have to deal with my pc dying on me. my super nintendo would still work right now if i found it and just bought new controllers, because i broke the other one a long time ago. conversely, i had problems with my pc's ever since i started gaming. what happens when your pc hardware gets corrupted? you go look at a tech support forum for a thousand possible reasons. what happens if your console gets damaged? you send it back to customer support. ------- i really can't understand why ppl say that the pc has more sophisticated games either. all the good rpgs and fps that aren't ancient can be found on consoles too. unfortunately, im stuck with a scrap of metal that turns on me every year. where are the times when you just popped in the cd/disk and played instead of testing your hardware's overclocking limit and performance improvement? man, what a letdown. smilingjack677
Have been building and maintaning computer for 6 years now. No problems yet. Keep trying though.
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Well, I just built my new rig and it's running flawlessly, so... it's individual.

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#4 KrazyKenKutarag
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If I buy parts from good brands I never have any problems. In fact, my 360 has caused more hardware related problems for me than my PC. On the chance that a part does stop working, there is always a long lasting warranty that you can fall back on.

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If I buy parts from good brands I never have any problems. In fact, my 360 has caused more hardware related problems for me than my PC. On the chance that a part does stop working, there is always a long lasting warranty that you can fall back on.

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[QUOTE="smilingjack677"]there a lot of good games on pc yes, but the tech is very unstable. i constantly have to deal with my pc dying on me. my super nintendo would still work right now if i found it and just bought new controllers, because i broke the other one a long time ago. conversely, i had problems with my pc's ever since i started gaming. what happens when your pc hardware gets corrupted? you go look at a tech support forum for a thousand possible reasons. what happens if your console gets damaged? you send it back to customer support. ------- i really can't understand why ppl say that the pc has more sophisticated games either. all the good rpgs and fps that aren't ancient can be found on consoles too. unfortunately, im stuck with a scrap of metal that turns on me every year. where are the times when you just popped in the cd/disk and played instead of testing your hardware's overclocking limit and performance improvement? man, what a letdown. Killfox
Have been building and maintaning computer for 6 years now. No problems yet. Keep trying though.

nothing whatsoever? define 'maintaining'.
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I completely disagree. The PC is a wonderful gaming platform, it's just more complicated than most other consoles. And a well built PC can last much longer than a lot of consoles. (RROD anyone?) And the PC *does* have more sophisticated games, compare Halo Wars to Sins of a Solar Empire, or try to imagine playing World of Warcraft on a Wii.

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my super nintendo would still work right now if i found it and just bought new controllers, because i broke the other one a long time ago.. smilingjack677
Thank you for telling us everything we need to know about how you treat your things. This is probably the reason you're PCs break.
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i have no problems with my first build which i got it in 2007. i actually expected to run into more problems then i have, it's to be expected to have problems with old games that ran on older operating systems.

all the new games i ahve tried have worked flawlessly, and even system shock 2 installed perfectly (and plays perfectly... so far) including the enhancement mods for it.

While you will never beat the build of consoles such as the snes or wii where build quality is fantastic, you have a much higher chance of your ps2 or 360 breaking then a pc.

As for the games argument the pc has more aaa exclusives than all the consoles combined here on gamespot, and superior multiplats (mostly). Not to mention great rpgs like the witcher and fps games like stalker and crysis.

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#11 Arern
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Well. A console can play games for like 3 - 4 years. A pc needs upgrading like every year for best quality. And it's way more expensive I think. However, some games are just better for PC. But some are better for consoles to play. Overall, I like console gaming the most.

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if your console gets damaged? you send it back to customer support. smilingjack677
And if your console isn't covered by warranty?
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#13 Killfox
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[QUOTE="Killfox"][QUOTE="smilingjack677"]there a lot of good games on pc yes, but the tech is very unstable. i constantly have to deal with my pc dying on me. my super nintendo would still work right now if i found it and just bought new controllers, because i broke the other one a long time ago. conversely, i had problems with my pc's ever since i started gaming. what happens when your pc hardware gets corrupted? you go look at a tech support forum for a thousand possible reasons. what happens if your console gets damaged? you send it back to customer support. ------- i really can't understand why ppl say that the pc has more sophisticated games either. all the good rpgs and fps that aren't ancient can be found on consoles too. unfortunately, im stuck with a scrap of metal that turns on me every year. where are the times when you just popped in the cd/disk and played instead of testing your hardware's overclocking limit and performance improvement? man, what a letdown. smilingjack677
Have been building and maintaning computer for 6 years now. No problems yet. Keep trying though.

nothing whatsoever? define 'maintaining'.

I have my computer set to automatically update. It defrags every month. AVG8.5 scans every day. CCleaner every two weeks. I have yet to ever get the BSOD even once. My computer has never froze or randomly turn off. Its all up to the user. Plus if I ever have a problem with hardware i have warranties which most of them are lifetime. Hmm now i can honestly say I have had more problems with my 360 than my computer. E72 twice and RROD once.
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[QUOTE="smilingjack677"] my super nintendo would still work right now if i found it and just bought new controllers, because i broke the other one a long time ago.. Danm_999
Thank you for telling us everything we need to know about how you treat your things. This is probably the reason you're PCs break.

the super nintendo is an old console.
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="smilingjack677"] my super nintendo would still work right now if i found it and just bought new controllers, because i broke the other one a long time ago.. smilingjack677
Thank you for telling us everything we need to know about how you treat your things. This is probably the reason you're PCs break.

the super nintendo is an old console.

I still have mine in perfect working condition, and I bought it second hand. And I've never had trouble with my PCs. Maybe it's because I don't treat my things badly.
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#16 smilingjack677
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[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"]

i have no problems with my first build which i got it in 2007. i actually expected to run into more problems then i have, it's to be expected to have problems with old games that ran on older operating systems.

all the new games i ahve tried have worked flawlessly, and even system shock 2 installed perfectly (and plays perfectly... so far) including the enhancement mods for it.

While you will never beat the build of consoles such as the snes or wii where build quality is fantastic, you have a much higher chance of your ps2 or 360 breaking then a pc.

As for the games argument the pc has more aaa exclusives than all the consoles combined here on gamespot, and superior multiplats (mostly). Not to mention great rpgs like the witcher and fps games like stalker and crysis.

a lot of those games are old. how about comparing those pc's games that were released within a console's timeline. besides, both consoles have backwards compatibility, so if you include the xbox and ps2 games the gap would shorten.
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A modern computer built from quality parts shouldn't be much of a pain, mine has worked flawlessly both hardware and software vise. But yeah a console is easier, that's pretty much what defines them as consoles instead of PCs. And I dunno about more sophisticated, but there are certain type of games that just aren't on consoles, or just aren't the same like CivRev or Anno Wii.
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[QUOTE="smilingjack677"][QUOTE="Mckenna1845"]

i have no problems with my first build which i got it in 2007. i actually expected to run into more problems then i have, it's to be expected to have problems with old games that ran on older operating systems.

all the new games i ahve tried have worked flawlessly, and even system shock 2 installed perfectly (and plays perfectly... so far) including the enhancement mods for it.

While you will never beat the build of consoles such as the snes or wii where build quality is fantastic, you have a much higher chance of your ps2 or 360 breaking then a pc.

As for the games argument the pc has more aaa exclusives than all the consoles combined here on gamespot, and superior multiplats (mostly). Not to mention great rpgs like the witcher and fps games like stalker and crysis.

a lot of those games are old. how about comparing those pc's games that were released within a console's timeline. besides, both consoles have backwards compatibility, so if you include the xbox and ps2 games the gap would shorten.

They're already done the comparison in the same timeline. It's an absolute blowout in favour of the PC.
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thread title pretty much self owned the TC.

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[QUOTE="smilingjack677"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] Thank you for telling us everything we need to know about how you treat your things. This is probably the reason you're PCs break.Danm_999
the super nintendo is an old console.

I still have mine in perfect working condition, and I bought it second hand. And I've never had trouble with my PCs. Maybe it's because I don't treat my things badly.

that was quite a long time ago. a very long time ago.
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Sue them

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#22 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="smilingjack677"] the super nintendo is an old console.smilingjack677
I still have mine in perfect working condition, and I bought it second hand. And I've never had trouble with my PCs. Maybe it's because I don't treat my things badly.

that was quite a long time ago. a very long time ago.

Once again, my SNES is very old (and second hand) and not broken. I'm guessing you just can't take care of your things.
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[QUOTE="smilingjack677"][QUOTE="Mckenna1845"]

i have no problems with my first build which i got it in 2007. i actually expected to run into more problems then i have, it's to be expected to have problems with old games that ran on older operating systems.

all the new games i ahve tried have worked flawlessly, and even system shock 2 installed perfectly (and plays perfectly... so far) including the enhancement mods for it.

While you will never beat the build of consoles such as the snes or wii where build quality is fantastic, you have a much higher chance of your ps2 or 360 breaking then a pc.

As for the games argument the pc has more aaa exclusives than all the consoles combined here on gamespot, and superior multiplats (mostly). Not to mention great rpgs like the witcher and fps games like stalker and crysis.

a lot of those games are old. how about comparing those pc's games that were released within a console's timeline. besides, both consoles have backwards compatibility, so if you include the xbox and ps2 games the gap would shorten.

Actually what you said there is somewhat false. The 360s backwars compatibility is terrible. There is like no support. Correct me if im wrong but dont all new PS3 not support for BC???
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[QUOTE="smilingjack677"][QUOTE="Mckenna1845"]

i have no problems with my first build which i got it in 2007. i actually expected to run into more problems then i have, it's to be expected to have problems with old games that ran on older operating systems.

all the new games i ahve tried have worked flawlessly, and even system shock 2 installed perfectly (and plays perfectly... so far) including the enhancement mods for it.

While you will never beat the build of consoles such as the snes or wii where build quality is fantastic, you have a much higher chance of your ps2 or 360 breaking then a pc.

As for the games argument the pc has more aaa exclusives than all the consoles combined here on gamespot, and superior multiplats (mostly). Not to mention great rpgs like the witcher and fps games like stalker and crysis.

a lot of those games are old. how about comparing those pc's games that were released within a console's timeline. besides, both consoles have backwards compatibility, so if you include the xbox and ps2 games the gap would shorten.

click the link in my sig, it shows only games from 2005 (360's release) and it still beats all consoles combined.
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#25 smilingjack677
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I completely disagree. The PC is a wonderful gaming platform, it's just more complicated than most other consoles. And a well built PC can last much longer than a lot of consoles. (RROD anyone?) And the PC *does* have more sophisticated games, compare Halo Wars to Sins of a Solar Empire, or try to imagine playing World of Warcraft on a Wii.

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more buttons to press doesn't equal more spohisticated.
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#26 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Killfox"][QUOTE="smilingjack677"][QUOTE="Mckenna1845"]

i have no problems with my first build which i got it in 2007. i actually expected to run into more problems then i have, it's to be expected to have problems with old games that ran on older operating systems.

all the new games i ahve tried have worked flawlessly, and even system shock 2 installed perfectly (and plays perfectly... so far) including the enhancement mods for it.

While you will never beat the build of consoles such as the snes or wii where build quality is fantastic, you have a much higher chance of your ps2 or 360 breaking then a pc.

As for the games argument the pc has more aaa exclusives than all the consoles combined here on gamespot, and superior multiplats (mostly). Not to mention great rpgs like the witcher and fps games like stalker and crysis.

a lot of those games are old. how about comparing those pc's games that were released within a console's timeline. besides, both consoles have backwards compatibility, so if you include the xbox and ps2 games the gap would shorten.

Actually what you said there is somewhat false. The 360s backwars compatibility is terrible. There is like no support. Correct me if im wrong but dont all new PS3 not support for BC???

It wouldn't even matter then. The PC had more AAAE games than even the PS2.
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[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"][QUOTE="smilingjack677"][QUOTE="Mckenna1845"]

i have no problems with my first build which i got it in 2007. i actually expected to run into more problems then i have, it's to be expected to have problems with old games that ran on older operating systems.

all the new games i ahve tried have worked flawlessly, and even system shock 2 installed perfectly (and plays perfectly... so far) including the enhancement mods for it.

While you will never beat the build of consoles such as the snes or wii where build quality is fantastic, you have a much higher chance of your ps2 or 360 breaking then a pc.

As for the games argument the pc has more aaa exclusives than all the consoles combined here on gamespot, and superior multiplats (mostly). Not to mention great rpgs like the witcher and fps games like stalker and crysis.

a lot of those games are old. how about comparing those pc's games that were released within a console's timeline. besides, both consoles have backwards compatibility, so if you include the xbox and ps2 games the gap would shorten.

click the link in my sig, it shows only games from 2005 (360's release) and it still beats all consoles combined.

Predicted responses from smilingjack677 1) He'll combine all consoles libraries together to even the odds. 2) He'll try to exclude PC exclusives from the list based on personal opinion. 3) He'll say the console games are better, even though they're fewer.
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I don't know why you people responde the level 1 accounts made specifically to troll.funked_up
Well, hopefully the people who read the thread will see how silly his arguments are, troll or no. Also sometimes I get bored and will respond to anything. :P
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I've had a lot more problems with my 360 than my PC this gen.

Disc read errors, crashes, terrible lag sometimes in online play, terrible matchmaking (gears 2), mic doesn't work properly etc etc.

On PC I just pop the disc in, takes 5 min to install the game and it runs maxed out at 1080p flawlessly. Cant say the same about consoles.

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If you suck at taking care of parts then yeah PC gaming is unstable. But its just as unstable as the consoles, how many bugs are patched in console games nowadays? How about the 360's massive hardware failure rate? I constantly have internet connection problems with my PS3 but everything else using my wifi runs flawlessly.

It is unfair to use instability as a fault of PC gaming since consoles are becoming just as bad or worse. The biggest reason why PCs aren't a hot gaming platform is the default store bought PC is generally underpowered and unless you're going the extra mile to build a decent rig you're going to be stuck with a less than perfect gaming machine.

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[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"][QUOTE="smilingjack677"][QUOTE="Mckenna1845"]

i have no problems with my first build which i got it in 2007. i actually expected to run into more problems then i have, it's to be expected to have problems with old games that ran on older operating systems.

all the new games i ahve tried have worked flawlessly, and even system shock 2 installed perfectly (and plays perfectly... so far) including the enhancement mods for it.

While you will never beat the build of consoles such as the snes or wii where build quality is fantastic, you have a much higher chance of your ps2 or 360 breaking then a pc.

As for the games argument the pc has more aaa exclusives than all the consoles combined here on gamespot, and superior multiplats (mostly). Not to mention great rpgs like the witcher and fps games like stalker and crysis.

a lot of those games are old. how about comparing those pc's games that were released within a console's timeline. besides, both consoles have backwards compatibility, so if you include the xbox and ps2 games the gap would shorten.

click the link in my sig, it shows only games from 2005 (360's release) and it still beats all consoles combined.

that's only because of the mmo expansion packs (which, if not stand-alone, aren't even possible on consoles if im right) and episodic content such as sam & max. and besides, no aaaa
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I don't know why you people responde the level 1 accounts made specifically to troll.funked_up
so if im level 1 im automatically a troll?
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[QUOTE="smilingjack677"] that's only because of the mmo expansion packs (which, if not stand-alone, aren't even possible on consoles if im right)

Expansion packs listed there have more content than any console game (find me a game with the same amount of content as WOTLK or TBC on consoles).
and episodic content such as sam & max. and besides, no aaaasmilingjack677
So one AAAAE is worth 8 AAAEs and 59 AAEs the PC has over the PS3? Pure desperation.
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[QUOTE="smilingjack677"] that's only because of the mmo expansion packs (which, if not stand-alone, aren't even possible on consoles if im right)Danm_999
Expansion packs listed there have more content than any console game (find me a game with the same amount of content as WOTLK or TBC on consoles).
and episodic content such as sam & max. and besides, no aaaasmilingjack677
So one AAAAE is worth 8 AAAEs and 59 AAEs the PC has over the PS3? Pure desperation.

it doesn't matter; the content is boring. plus two consoles are cheaper than one pc, so there.
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#36 bigblunt537
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I'm not too happy with pc gaming and haven't been for the past 2 years or so, but this is the worst argument as to why it's bad that I've ever seen.

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#37 smilingjack677
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a true gamer goes console if you don't go console you're not a true gamer.
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#38 bigblunt537
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a true gamer goes console if you don't go console you're not a true gamer.smilingjack677

Do you really believe this or are you trying to get a kick out of people?

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[QUOTE="smilingjack677"][QUOTE="Mckenna1845"]

i have no problems with my first build which i got it in 2007. i actually expected to run into more problems then i have, it's to be expected to have problems with old games that ran on older operating systems.

all the new games i ahve tried have worked flawlessly, and even system shock 2 installed perfectly (and plays perfectly... so far) including the enhancement mods for it.

While you will never beat the build of consoles such as the snes or wii where build quality is fantastic, you have a much higher chance of your ps2 or 360 breaking then a pc.

As for the games argument the pc has more aaa exclusives than all the consoles combined here on gamespot, and superior multiplats (mostly). Not to mention great rpgs like the witcher and fps games like stalker and crysis.

Mckenna1845

a lot of those games are old. how about comparing those pc's games that were released within a console's timeline. besides, both consoles have backwards compatibility, so if you include the xbox and ps2 games the gap would shorten.

click the link in my sig, it shows only games from 2005 (360's release) and it still beats all consoles combined.

I LOVE how you and everyone that uses that stuipid spreadsheet says "all" games yet when I clearly point out to everyone thats used it, wheres EA Active for the Wii? It's a 8.0 exclusive for the Wii. So saying "all" is utter BS. I didn't take my time to go through all the other games but EA Active has been left out of every list.

And it's common knowledge that PC's are going to have more games. While PC's are always updateing their programming SDK's hardly ever change. So while devolopers have to learn the new architecture and make brand new tools every several years, all they have to do is update there old tools for PC because there SDKs are pretty much the same. So while programming on consoles are always changing over the years, PC change to but its a hell of a lot less then consoles. So compareing the is quite unfair.

EDIT: While I don't like PC gaming, it's a great platform thats years ahead of consoles.

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#40 Danm_999
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Woot! I just hit fanboy bingo with my predictions for his responses to the AAA/AA/A exclusive list!

Predicted responses from smilingjack677

1) He'll combine all consoles libraries together to even the odds.

plus two consoles are cheaper than one pc, so there.smilingjack677

2) He'll try to exclude PC exclusives from the list based on personal opinion.

it doesn't matter; the content is boring.smilingjack677

that's only because of the mmo expansion packs (which, if not stand-alone, aren't even possible on consoles if im right) and episodic content such as sam & max.smilingjack677

3) He'll say the console games are better, even though they're fewer.

and besides, no aaaasmilingjack677

Thanks for playing smilingjack677! I enjoy seeing where you'll shift the goalposts to in this argument next!

We went from "well if you compare the same timelines, the PC loses" to "well, if you arbitrary exclude PC games and elevate console games", to "well, we should really consider all consoles one single platform".

What next? The 'genre diversity' argument?

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#41 Danm_999
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a true gamer goes console if you don't go console you're not a true gamer.smilingjack677
No true Scotsman fallacy arguments seldom work well in a debate though.

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a true gamer goes console if you don't go console you're not a true gamer.smilingjack677

:lol: Thanks for the laughs, you made my day!

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[QUOTE="funked_up"]I don't know why you people responde the level 1 accounts made specifically to troll.smilingjack677
so if im level 1 im automatically a troll?

When your first thread is a troll thread, yes.
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a true gamer goes console if you don't go console you're not a true gamer.smilingjack677
Up until this remark, I had thought he had an honest, earnest opinion, however misguided. Well, another troll confirmed.
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[QUOTE="smilingjack677"]there a lot of good games on pc yes, but the tech is very unstable. i constantly have to deal with my pc dying on me. my super nintendo would still work right now if i found it and just bought new controllers, because i broke the other one a long time ago. conversely, i had problems with my pc's ever since i started gaming. what happens when your pc hardware gets corrupted? you go look at a tech support forum for a thousand possible reasons. what happens if your console gets damaged? you send it back to customer support. ------- i really can't understand why ppl say that the pc has more sophisticated games either. all the good rpgs and fps that aren't ancient can be found on consoles too. unfortunately, im stuck with a scrap of metal that turns on me every year. where are the times when you just popped in the cd/disk and played instead of testing your hardware's overclocking limit and performance improvement? man, what a letdown. Killfox
Have been building and maintaning computer for 6 years now. No problems yet. Keep trying though.

built my first in 2001 and have had little to no problems, my OG 19Gb harddrive just broke 2 months ago. it had a good run
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[QUOTE="Killfox"][QUOTE="smilingjack677"]there a lot of good games on pc yes, but the tech is very unstable. i constantly have to deal with my pc dying on me. my super nintendo would still work right now if i found it and just bought new controllers, because i broke the other one a long time ago. conversely, i had problems with my pc's ever since i started gaming. what happens when your pc hardware gets corrupted? you go look at a tech support forum for a thousand possible reasons. what happens if your console gets damaged? you send it back to customer support. ------- i really can't understand why ppl say that the pc has more sophisticated games either. all the good rpgs and fps that aren't ancient can be found on consoles too. unfortunately, im stuck with a scrap of metal that turns on me every year. where are the times when you just popped in the cd/disk and played instead of testing your hardware's overclocking limit and performance improvement? man, what a letdown. surrealnumber5
Have been building and maintaning computer for 6 years now. No problems yet. Keep trying though.

built my first in 2001 and have had little to no problems, my OG 19Gb harddrive just broke 2 months ago. it had a good run

19? How did you live?