The PS3 is failing on every front(please read first post).

Edit: This is not a 360 vs PS3 post! This is my opinion of the state of the PS3 as the successor of the Ps2. Nothing to do with 360 or Wii or PC!


Am I the only one thinking that the PS3 is in a big problem? Cows always claimed it's just a sad launch or the sales will pick up but it isn't.

Blu-Ray:
Blu-ray vs HD-DVD was such a big thing. Which one will win? Which one to pick? Finally Blu-ray wins and...what? I thought cows said that would give the PS3 a giant boost in sales? Blu-ray is still nothing because most people aren't going to spend that much for a better picture. Most people are fine with a basic HDTV(or even SDTV) and a DVD player. To get the most from blu-ray you need a good player and a 1080p HDTV which isn't cheap at all.

It also has digital downloading to go up against which is getting bigger everyday.

It also has slow reading speeds which brings me to my next point...

Installations:
The second problem has got to do with the installations. Even a 40Gb HDD is too little now. Cows use to bag out the 360 for having not much space but look how many games need a 5GB installation, something which the 360 has never needed.
DMC4, GT5: P, The Bourne Conspiracy, Oblivion, MGS4, Lost Planet, UT3, Haze, Hot Shots Golf 5 ...I mean I could go on for ages. Already in those games I named is about 50Gb. Too big for almost all PS3's to hold. I feel sorry for the 20Gb owners.

If they were super fast installs it might not matter but the cows whine about LO having 4 DVD's yet many of their games require 20 minute installations and if you need to uninstall it you have to do it again. 10-15 seconds to change a disc or a 20 minute wait? Hmm? This is also excluding trailers, demo, games ect that you'll want to download which adds even more space trouble.

1080p and 120FPS.
Yeah fat chance. For a console that boasted 1080p graphics how many really have it? Halo 3 got told off for not being faster than 30fps yet Resistance 2, one of the consoles biggest exclusives, only runs at 720p/30fps! So a system that is way more powerful(or so they say...and from its price tag) and it can't run an exclusive at 1080p? Or 720p and 60fps? Why not? It's meant to be able to isn't it? The Cell can do anything right?


The Games.
And this is where it fails the most.

Lost exclusives:

- GTA4 as a timed exclusive
- Ace Combat 6
- Devil May Cry 4
- Assassin's Creed
- Fatal Inertia
- Virtua Fighter 5

Late to the party(Delayed multiplayform games):

- Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion
- Bioshock
- The Orange box
- Alone in the Dark
- FEAR
- Sonic the Hedgehog
- Stranglehold
- GTA4 [Delayed all version]
- Rainbow Six Vegas
- Medal of Honor: Airborne
- Splinter Cell: Double Agent

Cencelled games:

- Frontlines: Fuel of War
- The Getaway
- Eightdays
- Red Alert 3
- Condemned:Criminal Origins
- Killing Day
- Theseis
- NBA Live 07
- Eternal Sonata (Japan only)

I'm sure there are more than can be added to each list but you get my point.

Not only that list if troubles but games like Lair, Haze, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword and a bunch of others that have underperformed or flat out flopped. Then we have super hyped games such as Killzone 2, a sequal to an awful game which had a lot more faults than simply limited hardware.

Also Home which should have been a program that should have been ready at launch or at least in the first year but we're still waiting.
Not only that but it seems like the PS3's answer to second life which if you've played it will know it is an AWFUL game. Like Big Rigs kind of bad. It could easily be huge...for the first 2 weeks then die off because everyone is sick of that type of stuff now. They need to make it fresh with constant updates and I'm not talking about the "OMG Spider man 4 trailer is on!1!!!1" kind of update.


So when is the PS3 meant to turn around and blow us all away? It isn't doing well in sales. Bombing in Japan and pretty much even with 360 in America(even though the 360 is a year older).
I don't hate the PS3 but I really expected more from a console that had 2 massive winning systems with tons of amazing games and you can't ignore the fact that so far the PS3 is failing on every front. Sales, games, blu-ray, and developing.

Am I the only one thinking that the PS3 is in a big problem? Cows always claimed it's just a sad launch or the sales will pick up but it isn't.

Blu-Ray:
Blu-ray vs HD-DVD was such a big thing. Which one will win? Which one to pick? Finally Blu-ray wins and...what? I thought cows said that would give the PS3 a giant boost in sales? Blu-ray is still nothing because most people aren't going to spend that much for a better picture. Most people are fine with a basic HDTV(or even SDTV) and a DVD player. To get the most from blu-ray you need a good player and a 1080p HDTV which isn't cheap at all.

It also has digital downloading to go up against which is getting bigger everyday.

It also has slow reading speeds which brings me to my next point...

Installations:
The second problem has got to do with the installations. Even a 40Gb HDD is too little now. Cows use to bag out the 360 for having not much space but look how many games need a 5GB installation, something which the 360 has never needed.
DMC4, GT5: P, The Bourne Conspiracy, Oblivion, MGS4, Lost Planet, UT3, Haze, Hot Shots Golf 5 ...I mean I could go on for ages. Already in those games I named is about 50Gb. Too big for almost all PS3's to hold. I feel sorry for the 20Gb owners.

If they were super fast installs it might not matter but the cows whine about LO having 4 DVD's yet many of their games require 20 minute installations and if you need to uninstall it you have to do it again. 10-15 seconds to change a disc or a 20 minute wait? Hmm? This is also excluding trailers, demo, games ect that you'll want to download which adds even more space trouble.

1080p and 120FPS.
Yeah fat chance. For a console that boasted 1080p graphics how many really have it? Halo 3 got told off for not being faster than 30fps yet Resistance 2, one of the consoles biggest exclusives, only runs at 720p/30fps! So a system that is way more powerful(or so they say...and from its price tag) and it can't run an exclusive at 1080p? Or 720p and 60fps? Why not? It's meant to be able to isn't it? The Cell can do anything right?


The Games.
And this is where it fails the most.

Lost exclusives:

- GTA4 as a timed exclusive
- Ace Combat 6
- Devil May Cry 4
- Assassin's Creed
- Fatal Inertia
- Virtua Fighter 5

Late to the party(Delayed multiplayform games):

- Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion
- Bioshock
- The Orange box
- Alone in the Dark
- FEAR
- Sonic the Hedgehog
- Stranglehold
- GTA4 [Delayed all version]
- Rainbow Six Vegas
- Medal of Honor: Airborne
- Splinter Cell: Double Agent

Cencelled games:

- Frontlines: Fuel of War
- The Getaway
- Eightdays
- Red Alert 3
- Condemned:Criminal Origins
- Killing Day
- Theseis
- NBA Live 07
- Eternal Sonata (Japan only)

I'm sure there are more than can be added to each list but you get my point.

Not only that list if troubles but games like Lair, Haze, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword and a bunch of others that have underperformed or flat out flopped. Then we have super hyped games such as Killzone 2, a sequal to an awful game which had a lot more faults than simply limited hardware.

Also Home which should have been a program that should have been ready at launch or at least in the first year but we're still waiting.
Not only that but it seems like the PS3's answer to second life which if you've played it will know it is an AWFUL game. Like Big Rigs kind of bad. It could easily be huge...for the first 2 weeks then die off because everyone is sick of that type of stuff now. They need to make it fresh with constant updates and I'm not talking about the "OMG Spider man 4 trailer is on!1!!!1" kind of update.


So when is the PS3 meant to turn around and blow us all away? It isn't doing well in sales. Bombing in Japan and pretty much even with 360 in America(even though the 360 is a year older).
I don't hate the PS3 but I really expected more from a console that had 2 massive winning systems with tons of amazing games and you can't ignore the fact that so far the PS3 is failing on every front. Sales, games, blu-ray, and developing.

darklord888

gg, keep telling yourself that.

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LastOfTheBest

gg, keep telling yourself that.

and yet it outsold the 360 in 2007, and looks to do it this year. some people just prefer the ps3, and some the 360.liquidsnake1987

On blu-ray readspeeds, only the 2x drives are slower than 12x DVD drives, when you get to 4x Blu-ray drives it beats 12x DVD and by 6x DVD can't keep up

Red alert 3 has been cancelled for ps3??

eh...i'll agree with you on the installs, and i definitely think Sony has faltered a bit this gen. let's be honest, the PS2 had such an insane domination last gen. the PS3, while a good system, has more of a fight this time around.

really, i see all three consoles doing well this gen. and don't forget, the PS3 has a pretty strong lineup through 2008-2009.

The ps3 is a great machine, but its not going to do as good as the ps2, thats pretty clear

the Wii is the sales king this gen

and IMO the 360 is the games king this gen, but its not like the ps3 and wii dont have great games as well just not as many

and yet it outsold the 360 in 2007, and looks to do it this year. some people just prefer the ps3, and some the 360.liquidsnake1987

Must be for the Blu-Ray movies because it's certainly not for the lackluster games.

That is what happens when you let last place dictate your actions for next gen...

I got a question about this 120fps crap...didnt they say it MAY BE possible? Or did they flat out say WE ARE BRINGING 120fps...I cannot remember, but it is annoying every time I keep hearing it.

Last thing. GTA was never exclusive, they just decided to not pay for the timed exclusive, I do not know what happened with Assassin's Creed, that was a bad loss. Capcom went completely multiplat so DMC4 had to be boughten by Sony if they wanted it. Same can be said for the other lost exlusives. Sony is not using money to buy games which is kind of stupid because all of their first party have been delayed.

Sony messed up, and they keep messing up. I am just hoping around September they get their act straight because I am dying to play Socom.

Assassins Creed? I'm 99% sure that was first shown at Microsoft's X05 event under the name "Project Assassin." Unless I'm thinking about something else.Floppy_Jim

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Assassins Creed? I'm 99% sure that was first shown at Microsoft's X05 event under the name "Project Assassin." Unless I'm thinking about something else.darklord888

That was before the PS3 price tag was unleashed, stunning the world and disciplining journalists.

Ok, and I can concentrate on the 360's negatives too... it's failing on...

First party titles - Mass Effect, Gears of War, and up until now - Bioshock were all some of the biggest console exclusives the 360 has, and they're all made by third parties.

Hardware - It's faulty.

Storage - MS made a mistake by not using HD-DVD or make an HDD standard.

Hardware Features - The 360 is about as stock as you can get. No WiFi, no multimedia card readers, no HDMI on early models, last gen disc tray, etc.

Looks - the 360 is fugly.

See? I can make the 360 "fail on all fronts" too.

I know the purpose of this thread is different than what my opinion is that I'm about to say, but I don't think the PS3 is failing. I find it a whole lot of fun and that is the purpose of a gaming system. Some people say that a PS3 isn't as fun if you also own a 360, but I own both and I have a whole lot of fun.

And that is what it is all about.

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Assassins Creed? I'm 99% sure that was first shown at Microsoft's X05 event under the name "Project Assassin." Unless I'm thinking about something else.darklord888

Just like Haze although it was really bad. Id rather take Assasins Creed anyday over Haze, heck id take anything other than Haze.

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Assassins Creed? I'm 99% sure that was first shown at Microsoft's X05 event under the name "Project Assassin." Unless I'm thinking about something else.darklord888

Oh, I didn't know that. So what did MS show at X05 then?

On topic, I'd hardly say the PS3 is "failing on every front". I mean, people were saying all kinds of nonsense about the PS2 when it was still young and look how that turned out. I'm not saying the PS3 will be as successful as the PS2, but I think it's too early to call it a failure. And I'd say it's pretty impressive how it outsold the 360 last year, considering it had very little going for it and the 360 had Halo 3 and a much lower price tag.

Ok, and I can concentrate on the 360's negatives too... it's failing on...

First party titles - Mass Effect, Gears of War, and up until now - Bioshock were all some of the biggest console exclusives the 360 has, and they're all made by third parties.

Hardware - It's faulty.

Storage - MS made a mistake by not using HD-DVD or make an HDD standard.

Hardware Features - The 360 is about as stock as you can get. No WiFi, no multimedia card readers, no HDMI on early models, last gen disc tray, etc.

Looks - the 360 is fugly.

See? I can make the 360 "fail on all fronts" too.

carljohnson3456

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

Ok, and I can concentrate on the 360's negatives too... it's failing on...

First party titles - Mass Effect, Gears of War, and up until now - Bioshock were all some of the biggest console exclusives the 360 has, and they're all made by third parties.

Hardware - It's faulty.

Storage - MS made a mistake by not using HD-DVD or make an HDD standard.

Hardware Features - The 360 is about as stock as you can get. No WiFi, no multimedia card readers, no HDMI on early models, last gen disc tray, etc.

Looks - the 360 is fugly.

See? I can make the 360 "fail on all fronts" too.

darklord888

I agree, and so does the PS3. Just because Sony decided to scrap two exclusives, that might have been stink bombs like Lair, everyone is acting like Sony cant even develope on their own system. Red Alert on the PS3 getting scrapped? Yeah, that sucks. A few delays? Yeah, that sucks.

Other than that, the PS3 is getting a flood of great games too ya know. All I'm saying is you can paint the picture "doomed" for the PS3 if you want to, but anybody can do the same for the 360.

I could say that devs are cutting features because there isnt enough storage on the 360, Rockstar has even said, "Our games arent getting any smaller" and Epic has said some stuff too, about the lack of storage. So hm, now the 360 is "failing on all fronts" because devs are running out of space???

I'm exaggerating and being sarcastic to make a point. No console is "failing on all fronts this gen".

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Assassins Creed? I'm 99% sure that was first shown at Microsoft's X05 event under the name "Project Assassin." Unless I'm thinking about something else.darklord888

Um actually no it never was. It was shown exclusivley at E32006 for the PS3 to help with Sonys show. But it was annouced in 2005 at the X05 event for Microsoft. So no Assasins Creed was never exclusive. Anyone who thinks Ubisoft would have done an exclusive title for the PS3 is a moron anyways.

Am I the only one thinking that the PS3 is in a big problem? Cows always claimed it's just a sad launch or the sales will pick up but it isn't.

Blu-Ray:
Blu-ray vs HD-DVD was such a big thing. Which one will win? Which one to pick? Finally Blu-ray wins and...what? I thought cows said that would give the PS3 a giant boost in sales? Blu-ray is still nothing because most people aren't going to spend that much for a better picture. Most people are fine with a basic HDTV(or even SDTV) and a DVD player. To get the most from blu-ray you need a good player and a 1080p HDTV which isn't cheap at all.

It also has digital downloading to go up against which is getting bigger everyday.

It also has slow reading speeds which brings me to my next point...

Installations:
The second problem has got to do with the installations. Even a 40Gb HDD is too little now. Cows use to bag out the 360 for having not much space but look how many games need a 5GB installation, something which the 360 has never needed.
DMC4, GT5: P, The Bourne Conspiracy, Oblivion, MGS4, Lost Planet, UT3, Haze, Hot Shots Golf 5 ...I mean I could go on for ages. Already in those games I named is about 50Gb. Too big for almost all PS3's to hold. I feel sorry for the 20Gb owners.

If they were super fast installs it might not matter but the cows whine about LO having 4 DVD's yet many of their games require 20 minute installations and if you need to uninstall it you have to do it again. 10-15 seconds to change a disc or a 20 minute wait? Hmm? This is also excluding trailers, demo, games ect that you'll want to download which adds even more space trouble.

1080p and 120FPS.
Yeah fat chance. For a console that boasted 1080p graphics how many really have it? Halo 3 got told off for not being faster than 30fps yet Resistance 2, one of the consoles biggest exclusives, only runs at 720p/30fps! So a system that is way more powerful(or so they say...and from its price tag) and it can't run an exclusive at 1080p? Or 720p and 60fps? Why not? It's meant to be able to isn't it? The Cell can do anything right?


The Games.
And this is where it fails the most.

Lost exclusives:

- GTA4 as a timed exclusive
- Ace Combat 6
- Devil May Cry 4
- Assassin's Creed
- Fatal Inertia
- Virtua Fighter 5

Late to the party(Delayed multiplayform games):

- Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion
- Bioshock
- The Orange box
- Alone in the Dark
- FEAR
- Sonic the Hedgehog
- Stranglehold
- GTA4 [Delayed all version]
- Rainbow Six Vegas
- Medal of Honor: Airborne
- Splinter Cell: Double Agent

Cencelled games:

- Frontlines: Fuel of War
- The Getaway
- Eightdays
- Red Alert 3
- Condemned:Criminal Origins
- Killing Day
- Theseis
- NBA Live 07
- Eternal Sonata (Japan only)

I'm sure there are more than can be added to each list but you get my point.

Not only that list if troubles but games like Lair, Haze, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword and a bunch of others that have underperformed or flat out flopped. Then we have super hyped games such as Killzone 2, a sequal to an awful game which had a lot more faults than simply limited hardware.

Also Home which should have been a program that should have been ready at launch or at least in the first year but we're still waiting.
Not only that but it seems like the PS3's answer to second life which if you've played it will know it is an AWFUL game. Like Big Rigs kind of bad. It could easily be huge...for the first 2 weeks then die off because everyone is sick of that type of stuff now. They need to make it fresh with constant updates and I'm not talking about the "OMG Spider man 4 trailer is on!1!!!1" kind of update.


So when is the PS3 meant to turn around and blow us all away? It isn't doing well in sales. Bombing in Japan and pretty much even with 360 in America(even though the 360 is a year older).
I don't hate the PS3 but I really expected more from a console that had 2 massive winning systems with tons of amazing games and you can't ignore the fact that so far the PS3 is failing on every front. Sales, games, blu-ray, and developing.

darklord888

most biased opinion ive read in a while

on the official EA site it lists RA3 as being on PS3.

On the official forums the word is that it'ts just been delayed to 2009.

I know this post will be ignored but whatever.

On blu-ray readspeeds, only the 2x drives are slower than 12x DVD drives, when you get to 4x Blu-ray drives it beats 12x DVD and by 6x DVD can't keep up.thrones

true but also irrelevant really. the PS3 has a 2X drive, it will always have a 2X drive.

on topic

Sony have made some catastrophic mistakes with the PS3 from a gaming perspective (from a busines point of view...sony could stop Producing PS3s right now, withdraw all support and ban others from making any more games for it and it would already be a success. whatever it has lost sony in and of itself...it has already made up for with being the catalyst for blu-rays victory).

the blu-ray drive is too slow and the machine is needlessly difficult to develop for. combine that with a dire launch and a rotten 06 + very little to really get excited about on the exclusives front so far (that should be rectified shortly with MGS4 mind) and its not good so far. its a machine that has failed to deliver on sonys promise. it is not an extremely powerful machine nor is it somethign that puts the 360 in the shade. all its managed to do so far is keep pace with the 360 to an extent. yet it is more expensive. some of these can be fixed (new games are always coming), others cant (that blu-ray drive will always be a blight on the PS3 from a games perspective. HD movies came at a big cost for games on the platform).

however lets not kid ourselves here. for all its problems...for all sonys screw ups, the PS3 is very far from failing completly. in terms of install base, its catching up to the 360 worldwide and pretty fast. its gaining a strongfoothold in europe that easily rivals the 360 and its kicking the crap out of it in japan. worst of all for the 360, its keeping pace with it in the states.

chances are itll never reach the success of its predecessor, both in install base and in the amount of software sold. but a failure? far from it.

[QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Assassins Creed? I'm 99% sure that was first shown at Microsoft's X05 event under the name "Project Assassin." Unless I'm thinking about something else.Polaris_choice

Um actually no it never was. It was shown exclusivley at E32006 for the PS3 to help with Sonys show. But it was annouced in 2005 at the X05 event for Microsoft. So no Assasins Creed was never exclusive. Anyone who thinks Ubisoft would have done an exclusive title for the PS3 is a moron anyways.

what about Haze?

TC should also include MSG4 and Killzone 2 as delayed games.

Also, here is a compiled list of flopped PS3 games that you should include:

Resistance
MotorStorm
Lair
Ratchet and Clank
Haze

:P

most biased opinion ive read in a while

5starsteve

TC should also include MSG4 and Killzone 2 as delayed games.

TC should also include MSG4 and Killzone 2 as delayed games.

Also, here is a compiled list of flopped PS3 games that you should include:

Resistance
MotorStorm
Lair
Ratchet and Clank
Haze

:P

Pro_wrestler

Am I the only one thinking that the PS3 is in a big problem? Cows always claimed it's just a sad launch or the sales will pick up but it isn't.

Blu-Ray:
Blu-ray vs HD-DVD was such a big thing. Which one will win? Which one to pick? Finally Blu-ray wins and...what? I thought cows said that would give the PS3 a giant boost in sales? Blu-ray is still nothing because most people aren't going to spend that much for a better picture. Most people are fine with a basic HDTV(or even SDTV) and a DVD player. To get the most from blu-ray you need a good player and a 1080p HDTV which isn't cheap at all.

It also has digital downloading to go up against which is getting bigger everyday.

It also has slow reading speeds which brings me to my next point...

Installations:
The second problem has got to do with the installations. Even a 40Gb HDD is too little now. Cows use to bag out the 360 for having not much space but look how many games need a 5GB installation, something which the 360 has never needed.
DMC4, GT5: P, The Bourne Conspiracy, Oblivion, MGS4, Lost Planet, UT3, Haze, Hot Shots Golf 5 ...I mean I could go on for ages. Already in those games I named is about 50Gb. Too big for almost all PS3's to hold. I feel sorry for the 20Gb owners.

If they were super fast installs it might not matter but the cows whine about LO having 4 DVD's yet many of their games require 20 minute installations and if you need to uninstall it you have to do it again. 10-15 seconds to change a disc or a 20 minute wait? Hmm? This is also excluding trailers, demo, games ect that you'll want to download which adds even more space trouble.

.

darklord888

I see Cows Have Big point of veiw in this matter.

So ... Excuses me. *Leaving gently*

Am I the only one thinking that the PS3 is in a big problem? Cows always claimed it's just a sad launch or the sales will pick up but it isn't.

Blu-Ray:
Blu-ray vs HD-DVD was such a big thing. Which one will win? Which one to pick? Finally Blu-ray wins and...what? I thought cows said that would give the PS3 a giant boost in sales? Blu-ray is still nothing because most people aren't going to spend that much for a better picture. Most people are fine with a basic HDTV(or even SDTV) and a DVD player. To get the most from blu-ray you need a good player and a 1080p HDTV which isn't cheap at all.

It also has digital downloading to go up against which is getting bigger everyday.

It also has slow reading speeds which brings me to my next point...

Installations:
The second problem has got to do with the installations. Even a 40Gb HDD is too little now. Cows use to bag out the 360 for having not much space but look how many games need a 5GB installation, something which the 360 has never needed.
DMC4, GT5: P, The Bourne Conspiracy, Oblivion, MGS4, Lost Planet, UT3, Haze, Hot Shots Golf 5 ...I mean I could go on for ages. Already in those games I named is about 50Gb. Too big for almost all PS3's to hold. I feel sorry for the 20Gb owners.

If they were super fast installs it might not matter but the cows whine about LO having 4 DVD's yet many of their games require 20 minute installations and if you need to uninstall it you have to do it again. 10-15 seconds to change a disc or a 20 minute wait? Hmm? This is also excluding trailers, demo, games ect that you'll want to download which adds even more space trouble.

1080p and 120FPS.
Yeah fat chance. For a console that boasted 1080p graphics how many really have it? Halo 3 got told off for not being faster than 30fps yet Resistance 2, one of the consoles biggest exclusives, only runs at 720p/30fps! So a system that is way more powerful(or so they say...and from its price tag) and it can't run an exclusive at 1080p? Or 720p and 60fps? Why not? It's meant to be able to isn't it? The Cell can do anything right?


The Games.
And this is where it fails the most.

Lost exclusives:

- GTA4 as a timed exclusive
- Ace Combat 6
- Devil May Cry 4
- Assassin's Creed
- Fatal Inertia
- Virtua Fighter 5

Late to the party(Delayed multiplayform games):

- Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion
- Bioshock
- The Orange box
- Alone in the Dark
- FEAR
- Sonic the Hedgehog
- Stranglehold
- GTA4 [Delayed all version]
- Rainbow Six Vegas
- Medal of Honor: Airborne
- Splinter Cell: Double Agent

Cencelled games:

- Frontlines: Fuel of War
- The Getaway
- Eightdays
- Red Alert 3
- Condemned:Criminal Origins
- Killing Day
- Theseis
- NBA Live 07
- Eternal Sonata (Japan only)

I'm sure there are more than can be added to each list but you get my point.

Not only that list if troubles but games like Lair, Haze, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword and a bunch of others that have underperformed or flat out flopped. Then we have super hyped games such as Killzone 2, a sequal to an awful game which had a lot more faults than simply limited hardware.

Also Home which should have been a program that should have been ready at launch or at least in the first year but we're still waiting.
Not only that but it seems like the PS3's answer to second life which if you've played it will know it is an AWFUL game. Like Big Rigs kind of bad. It could easily be huge...for the first 2 weeks then die off because everyone is sick of that type of stuff now. They need to make it fresh with constant updates and I'm not talking about the "OMG Spider man 4 trailer is on!1!!!1" kind of update.


So when is the PS3 meant to turn around and blow us all away? It isn't doing well in sales. Bombing in Japan and pretty much even with 360 in America(even though the 360 is a year older).
I don't hate the PS3 but I really expected more from a console that had 2 massive winning systems with tons of amazing games and you can't ignore the fact that so far the PS3 is failing on every front. Sales, games, blu-ray, and developing.

darklord888

After reading that gibberish, all I see is NG2 flop damage control. Nice try there though....

The PS3 is doing pretty well, by itself. But when you factore in the other two consoles, than yeah, it fails on every front, back, side to side.

And don't ask for my PSN ID, you're going to spam me. I'll show you a picture of my updated setup whenever I choose. The PS3 made you wait, so will I.

Play B3yond.

You squeezed in some lies. But some of the stuff you're saying is true.

For example, the PS3 outsold the 360 in 2007, and it currently outselling the 360. How is that doing bad in sales?

Heavenly sword did not flop, it got 8.0. Ninja Gaiden 2 got 8.0, is that a flop? No. Just didn't live up to the hype.

The mandatory install results in PS3 version of multiplats and PS3 exclusives having better loading times than the competition. GTA IV loads faster and less frequently on the PS3 than on the 360, same with Devil May Cry 4.

ALSO...you listed some 'lost exclusives' but you listed Bioshock as 'late to the party'. I would consider Bioshock as a stolen exclusive from the 360.

Dont care, I am having loads of fun on the PS3.

From the sunny skies of Burnout Paradise to Devil May Cry 4 to Resistance to Indy wannabee, Uncharted, Warhawk, Call of Duty 4, Double Agent, The Godfather, NBA 2K8, Motorstorm, Ratchet and Clank, Oblivion, and Heavenly Sword. I am having a blast with the PS3.

Next week is just icing on the cake when MGS 4 comes out.

Not to mention later this year I will be picking up Mercenaries 2, Quantam of Solace, Resistance 2, Pacific Rift, and The Force Unleashed. Just basically whatever I am interested in.

I have not invested in a blu-ray movie yet because I primarily game on the PS3.

On blu-ray readspeeds, only the 2x drives are slower than 12x DVD drives, when you get to 4x Blu-ray drives it beats 12x DVD and by 6x DVD can't keep up.thrones

Your PS3 will never have a 4x blu-ray drive. :?

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Am I the only one thinking that the PS3 is in a big problem? Cows always claimed it's just a sad launch or the sales will pick up but it isn't.

Blu-Ray:
Blu-ray vs HD-DVD was such a big thing. Which one will win? Which one to pick? Finally Blu-ray wins and...what? I thought cows said that would give the PS3 a giant boost in sales? Blu-ray is still nothing because most people aren't going to spend that much for a better picture. Most people are fine with a basic HDTV(or even SDTV) and a DVD player. To get the most from blu-ray you need a good player and a 1080p HDTV which isn't cheap at all.

It also has digital downloading to go up against which is getting bigger everyday.

It also has slow reading speeds which brings me to my next point...

Installations:
The second problem has got to do with the installations. Even a 40Gb HDD is too little now. Cows use to bag out the 360 for having not much space but look how many games need a 5GB installation, something which the 360 has never needed.
DMC4, GT5: P, The Bourne Conspiracy, Oblivion, MGS4, Lost Planet, UT3, Haze, Hot Shots Golf 5 ...I mean I could go on for ages. Already in those games I named is about 50Gb. Too big for almost all PS3's to hold. I feel sorry for the 20Gb owners.

If they were super fast installs it might not matter but the cows whine about LO having 4 DVD's yet many of their games require 20 minute installations and if you need to uninstall it you have to do it again. 10-15 seconds to change a disc or a 20 minute wait? Hmm? This is also excluding trailers, demo, games ect that you'll want to download which adds even more space trouble.

1080p and 120FPS.
Yeah fat chance. For a console that boasted 1080p graphics how many really have it? Halo 3 got told off for not being faster than 30fps yet Resistance 2, one of the consoles biggest exclusives, only runs at 720p/30fps! So a system that is way more powerful(or so they say...and from its price tag) and it can't run an exclusive at 1080p? Or 720p and 60fps? Why not? It's meant to be able to isn't it? The Cell can do anything right?


The Games.
And this is where it fails the most.

Lost exclusives:

- GTA4 as a timed exclusive
- Ace Combat 6
- Devil May Cry 4
- Assassin's Creed
- Fatal Inertia
- Virtua Fighter 5

Late to the party(Delayed multiplayform games):

- Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion
- Bioshock
- The Orange box
- Alone in the Dark
- FEAR
- Sonic the Hedgehog
- Stranglehold
- GTA4 [Delayed all version]
- Rainbow Six Vegas
- Medal of Honor: Airborne
- Splinter Cell: Double Agent

Cencelled games:

- Frontlines: Fuel of War
- The Getaway
- Eightdays
- Red Alert 3
- Condemned:Criminal Origins
- Killing Day
- Theseis
- NBA Live 07
- Eternal Sonata (Japan only)

I'm sure there are more than can be added to each list but you get my point.

Not only that list if troubles but games like Lair, Haze, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword and a bunch of others that have underperformed or flat out flopped. Then we have super hyped games such as Killzone 2, a sequal to an awful game which had a lot more faults than simply limited hardware.

Also Home which should have been a program that should have been ready at launch or at least in the first year but we're still waiting.
Not only that but it seems like the PS3's answer to second life which if you've played it will know it is an AWFUL game. Like Big Rigs kind of bad. It could easily be huge...for the first 2 weeks then die off because everyone is sick of that type of stuff now. They need to make it fresh with constant updates and I'm not talking about the "OMG Spider man 4 trailer is on!1!!!1" kind of update.


So when is the PS3 meant to turn around and blow us all away? It isn't doing well in sales. Bombing in Japan and pretty much even with 360 in America(even though the 360 is a year older).
I don't hate the PS3 but I really expected more from a console that had 2 massive winning systems with tons of amazing games and you can't ignore the fact that so far the PS3 is failing on every front. Sales, games, blu-ray, and developing.

darklord888

MGS4 is already blowing us away and also reviewers aswell. Lets see there is already like 20 reviews and only 2 of them gave the game an 8, all the rest are 9 and up. So despite all the games canceled and bluray not doing so well, the ps3 is just fine. MGS4 is the game to show what next gen is all about. Name me one game this next gen exclusive game that can matchup to MGS4 as a whole package, from great story, to great music and sound to great gameplay to great graphics and great replay value and is already being called from some game reviews one of the greatest games of all time. Please name me one exclusive game on any next gen console that has all these features of greatness put into one game? U cant because almost every game that is rated real hgih are multiplatform games. Only game to matchup to MGS4 is GTA4 but thats a multiplatform game and is also on the ps3. So there goes the game u wanted me to point out and on to the next subject.

U brang all these games that were canceled but forget there is still tons of big games coming for the ps3.

- Frontlines: Fuel of War
- The Getaway
- Eightdays
- Red Alert 3
- Condemned:Criminal Origins
- Killing Day
- Theseis
- NBA Live 07
- Eternal Sonata (Japan only)

These aint even any huge title though. Yes they are good games but its nothing that would make some1 want to go out and buy a ps3 so those cancled games are no biggy. And none of them are anything that was a major hit for the playstion platform.

As for the delays that will tend to happen since the ps3 is still being learned how to develope for especially third party devs so that isnt anything new and will get better as third party devs start to know there way around the ps3 hardware.

As for lost exclusives, the same thing is happening to the 360 with alot of the games that use to be exclusive heading over to the ps3 so its nothing big and will happen to every system where exclusives are only timed exclusives unless there real big exclusives like gears or MGS4.

U also said, "Halo 3 got told off for not being faster than 30fps yet Resistance 2, one of the consoles biggest exclusives, only runs at 720p/30fps"

Well duh halo 3 doesnt even matchup to how many players u can hold in one room compared to resistance. Come on with 40 players online, halo would prolly be laggin like hell and prolly give your console RROD trying to run that many players in a single room. Also even with 40 people in one room in resistance u cant even find much lag and the maps are huge, so for a launch game it just puts halo 3 to shame in that aspect. 1080p and 120fps, yes that was bs talk from kuturagi but is he around anymore? Usually loud mouth people get fired and thats just what happens to people who talk and no action, reminds me of itagaki, lol. Him and ken must be drinking away right now, lol.

With installations yes ill have to agree that that is a problem but it does help with slow downs and loading times so to me im fine with it and u do remember u can upgrade your hard drive to 500gb which u cant do with the 360 so hdd space is nothing for the ps3 but the installation thing sucks but hey I can live with it. Id rather have that then be worried about RROD.

As for bluray and hdtv's that is the future of gaming and the ps3 has already started with that. U may say they arent needed but as we move forward we have to upgrade and bluray and hdtv's are looking to be key factors with our future of gaming not dvd's and standard tv's/ U will see as prices drop for bluray and hdtv's everyone is going to start owning them both. Well im done with u and im off to play some NG2. :)

This thread is full of win and I agree 100% with everything you said. You forgot to mention the PS3 lacks in exclusive games aswell, you know theres only so many times you can replay through RFOM and Uncharted before you get totally bored out of your mind. My PS3 has been collecting dust for a while now. Thank god MGS4 is coming out soon. It's taken all this time for one good game to come out.. PS3 is such a shameful console. So when MGS4 is done and completed more waiting I guess more waiting.. Because thats what the PS3 is all about.. Making you Wait. The only thing it's good at.Dahaka-UK

:lol: epic lulz :lol:

talk about shameful when dishing out your killer apps and still got outsold by the opposer... lol...

if you dont like the PS3 then sell it or trade it.

as far as games coming after MGS4, there's still LBP; maybe not your style but it'll be a good game

hmmm...why do these threads only come up when good things are happening to the ps3?redandblack23

System Wars.

..you know how it is..

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hmmm...why do these threads only come up when good things are happening to the ps3?

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TC should also include MSG4 and Killzone 2 as delayed games.

Also, here is a compiled list of flopped PS3 games that you should include:

Resistance
MotorStorm
Lair
Ratchet and Clank
Haze

:P

numba1234

They're still flops.

As for lost exclusives, the same thing is happening to the 360 with alot of the games that use to be exclusive heading over to the ps3 so its nothing big and will happen to every system where exclusives are only timed exclusives unless there real big exclusives like gears or MGS4.