The real issue with the new 40gb Ps3 model everyone has forgotten about.

I think they will be irritated for a day and then they will move on with their lives. What do you think they will do exactly ?

A casual doesn't spend $400+ on something without reading into it. If they pick it up without doing any research between the many models, then they deserved it.CRUSHER88

They readily drop 50 dollars on 50 Cent Bulletproof. Casuals don't read into anything.

[QUOTE="CRUSHER88"]A casual doesn't spend $400+ on something without reading into it. If they pick it up without doing any research between the many models, then they deserved it.NECR0CHILD313

They readily drop 50 dollars on 50 Cent Bulletproof. Casuals don't read into anything.

THA MAN SPEEKS THA TRUTH!

Yeah, Sony has been real secretive about this. And I'm sure the word won't get around. I know I spend $400 without investigating first.

What a joke.

I think this is a very valid point, and an issue that will cause frustration for a while to come. There are lots of things that people that regularly visit places like this forget, mainly that not nearly everyone is like us. A lot of people sell their last gen systems to help finance their purchase of a current system. Average consumers are more likely to remember all the articles and press about the PS3 being pc rather than run across this announcement. I've seen firsthand the confusion people have about which Gameboy games they can play, so I think it'll be the same type of thing since you'll have some that can and some that can't

Also, I don't care who you are, some things just slip by. I consider myself to be an informed long-term gamer, I visit this site on a regular basis and read EGM and Gameinformer almost every month, but it wasn't until I got my 360(pro) home and out of the box that I realized that the Core was unable to do bc.

No one ever got too far overestimating the intelligence of the general population.

What a joke, i think most of casuals allready have a PS2. Also backward compatibilty isnt that bad, hey... Xbox core is even worse.kokatawa111

Yeah, I wonder if the buyers of the 360 arcade will know that there will be some major games they can't play due to not having a HDD.

No BC for the 40 gb PS3 is a shame. Since BC is just emulated through software I'm sure you can hack into it and unlock the feature, or upload it some how. coolviper2003

Hmmm, think about what you just said. Its a fact most PS3-haters are forgetting. If it is simply just software, couldn't it be downloaded as an optional update?

No BC for the 40 gb PS3 is a shame. Since BC is just emulated through software I'm sure you can hack into it and unlock the feature, or upload it some how. coolviper2003

The fact that backwards compatibility doesn't work at all on the 40 GB tells you that Sony took out something hardware related that made that backwards compatibility possible. Otherwise, they would have left it in.

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"]No BC for the 40 gb PS3 is a shame. Since BC is just emulated through software I'm sure you can hack into it and unlock the feature, or upload it some how. The_Crucible

Hmmm, think about what you just said. Its a fact most PS3-haters are forgetting. If it is simply just software, couldn't it be downloaded as an optional update?

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"]No BC for the 40 gb PS3 is a shame. Since BC is just emulated through software I'm sure you can hack into it and unlock the feature, or upload it some how. thinicer

The fact that backwards compatibility doesn't work at all on the 40 GB tells you that Sony took out something hardware related that made that backwards compatibility possible. Otherwise, they would have left it in.

Where did you get that info from? All PS2 and PS1 games are ran on emulators (exception the 60 gb version) , meaning no PS2 hardware is required, it's all software.The cell can technically run PS2 games by itself, it's way more then powerful enough to do that.coolviper2003

I don't need to get that info from anywhere, it's perfectly obvious by the simple fact that it doesn't work at all on the 40 GB model. If it's truly emulation through software, and if it doesn't cost Sony anything to include it, then it would have been in there like it is with the 80 GB model which has also been stripped of the EE chip. The fact that the 40 GB doesn't have software emulation, but the 80 GB does, tells you that Sony made some kind of hardware change in the system in order to shave off additional costs.

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[QUOTE="coolviper2003"]No BC for the 40 gb PS3 is a shame. Since BC is just emulated through software I'm sure you can hack into it and unlock the feature, or upload it some how. coolviper2003

The fact that backwards compatibility doesn't work at all on the 40 GB tells you that Sony took out something hardware related that made that backwards compatibility possible. Otherwise, they would have left it in.

The 60 gb model doesn't run most PS2 games, far from it. The software emulator doesn't work THAT well. Some people seem to think that an emulator would just come out of nowhere. To develop such a software takes a lot of work, costs money and is most likely not an easy task.

By the way, they probably did take some hardware out of the new model that we haven't found out about yet. Many people say that. It would make sense

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[QUOTE="coolviper2003"]No BC for the 40 gb PS3 is a shame. Since BC is just emulated through software I'm sure you can hack into it and unlock the feature, or upload it some how. coolviper2003

The fact that backwards compatibility doesn't work at all on the 40 GB tells you that Sony took out something hardware related that made that backwards compatibility possible. Otherwise, they would have left it in.

If it's such a trivial matter, care to explain why it's not implemented in 40gb model?

heres an idea...If you wanna play ps2 games.......buy a ps2? If you want to play next gen games buy a ps3. Honestly i know alot of people wanted the 60 gig to drop to $399 but this is business. While some will say Sony doesnt care about what the consumers want, it makes no sense financially to drop the price of the 60 to 399 at this point for sony. Just like you might think its not afinancially smartchoice to spend 499 on a console its not in their best interest to sell it for 399 at this point. I also think that even if sony kept the BC in, the media and fanboys would find something wrong to say about it.

[QUOTE="CRUSHER88"]A casual doesn't spend $400+ on something without reading into it. If they pick it up without doing any research between the many models, then they deserved it.NECR0CHILD313

They readily drop 50 dollars on 50 Cent Bulletproof. Casuals don't read into anything.

50 collars compared to 400 dollars....HMMMMMMMMMM

I just have a quick post mind you if someone has already brought this up I apologize. I was on the Joystiq forums and was reading the article about the shortcomings of the new ps3 with the lack of backwards compatibility. I guess I just have one valid point to bring up. Most hard-core gamers know about the lack of ps2 backwards compatiblity in the 40gb ps3 model. However what happens to the casuals that pick up this lower cost model, boot up one of their ps2 games and find it doesn't work??? Then what happens? Do you honestly think that the casuals will accept this? Just a valid point. This is a really bad move for Sony really bad. They had better get their act together if this is their strategy for the US and Japanese markets in the future or they wont be selling their targeted 11.5 millions units this year. mxpxdj

casuals are people too, just bcz they dont know much in the electronic feild dsnt mean they are stupid ppl, wtf is up wiht u???

I know guys with families and not much money who atm stick with the PS2. When the time comes many will sell there PS2 to finance there PS3 and will be annoyed that there games dont work.

Some people here just say its there fault for not checking up 1st. But like others say here some people just play games occasionally and dont have pc's or buy games mags to get the info (because they have lives away from games) I cant imagine the staff in the shops selling PS3's saying to people !you do realise your old games wont work! Me personally, i will tell anyone i know if i find out there planning to upgrade. At the end of the day the more people who move up to the next gen and are happy the better for all of us (happy people buy more more games so more money for developers so more games for us)

Yeah, Sony has been real secretive about this. And I'm sure the word won't get around. I know I spend $400 without investigating first.

What a joke.

The_Crucible

*off topic* That Simpsons game sig you have is AMAZING!!!!! i'm really looking forward to playing the new simpsons game that's coming out now (not being sacrastic or anything)

Sony will have another backlash in its hands. They did say that one of the "core value" for a PS3 is that you can play PS1 and PS2 games right off the box. Also they did say they're not finish working with the PS2 and they're still making games for it. Bad move indeed.

its says on the box of the 40g model that it doesnt play ps1/2 games..

plus i think sony reps would ahve told people in shops to make it clear with every sale of the system...

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"]Where did you get that info from? All PS2 and PS1 games are ran on emulators (exception the 60 gb version) , meaning no PS2 hardware is required, it's all software.The cell can technically run PS2 games by itself, it's way more then powerful enough to do that.thinicer

I don't need to get that info from anywhere, it's perfectly obvious by the simple fact that it doesn't work at all on the 40 GB model. If it's truly emulation through software, and if it doesn't cost Sony anything to include it, then it would have been in there like it is with the 80 GB model which has also been stripped of the EE chip. The fact that the 40 GB doesn't have software emulation, but the 80 GB does, tells you that Sony made some kind of hardware change in the system in order to shave off additional costs.

A casual doesn't spend $400+ on something without reading into it. If they pick it up without doing any research between the many models, then they deserved it.CRUSHER88

Most people I know would look at their friends PS3 that plays PS2 games just fine, and then assume that their newer PS3 will do the same. They would not be unjustified in thinking so.