Wait, he says it's not MCs fault but how the industry reacts to it and uses the scores. So not really fvck metacritic, at the end he basically said "Fvck your marketing"Â
Wait, he says it's not MCs fault but how the industry reacts to it and uses the scores. So not really fvck metacritic, at the end he basically said "Fvck your marketing"Â
seanmcloughlin
Sessler is a moron. The movie industry uses reviews to boost sales as well, so why is gaming any different? Music doesn't seem to care.
Wait, he says it's not MCs fault but how the industry reacts to it and uses the scores. So not really fvck metacritic, at the end he basically said "Fvck your marketing"Â
TheWalkingGhost
Sessler is a moron. The movie industry uses reviews to boost sales as well, so why is gaming any different? Music doesn't seem to care.Because gamers as a whole are idiots who use scores to determine the length and value of games as a product rather than an experience. So many times even here people have claimed a game is terrible and another game is godly over as much as 2 aggregate points.Â
Wait, he says it's not MCs fault but how the industry reacts to it and uses the scores. So not really fvck metacritic, at the end he basically said "Fvck your marketing"Â
seanmcloughlin
Sessler is a moron. The movie industry uses reviews to boost sales as well, so why is gaming any different? Music doesn't seem to care.Because gamers as a whole are idiots who use scores to determine the length and value of games as a product rather than an experience. So many times even here people have claimed a game is terrible and another game is godly over as much as 2 aggregate points. Only fanboys do that, 90% of us don't give two craps. A game could get 2 and I wouldn't care.
[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]Sessler is a moron. The movie industry uses reviews to boost sales as well, so why is gaming any different? Music doesn't seem to care.TheWalkingGhost
Because gamers as a whole are idiots who use scores to determine the length and value of games as a product rather than an experience. So many times even here people have claimed a game is terrible and another game is godly over as much as 2 aggregate points. Only fanboys do that, 90% of us don't give two craps. A game could get 2 and I wouldn't care.
People say that but far more people do it than you'd think
[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]Sessler is a moron. The movie industry uses reviews to boost sales as well, so why is gaming any different? Music doesn't seem to care.TheWalkingGhost
Because gamers as a whole are idiots who use scores to determine the length and value of games as a product rather than an experience. So many times even here people have claimed a game is terrible and another game is godly over as much as 2 aggregate points. Only fanboys do that, 90% of us don't give two craps. A game could get 2 and I wouldn't care.
The sad truth is, that is false. Â Ratings drive and halt gaming sales like you wouldnt believe. Â They dont just have an effect on sales, they basically determine them. Â Of course there are plenty of examples to the contrary, but they are the exception rather than the norm.
There is a very concise, thorough study that has been done on this by a company that does nothing but study these trends in the gaming market. Â I'll try to dig up a link.
[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]Because gamers as a whole are idiots who use scores to determine the length and value of games as a product rather than an experience. So many times even here people have claimed a game is terrible and another game is godly over as much as 2 aggregate points.Â
seanmcloughlin
Only fanboys do that, 90% of us don't give two craps. A game could get 2 and I wouldn't care.
People say that but far more people do it than you'd think
I don't, and casuals don't either. Common among hardcore gamers.
I remember the days back when I watched X-Play.:P Last I remember Kristin Holt had small segments on it since games this gen don't have cheats and stuff.:(
[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]Because gamers as a whole are idiots who use scores to determine the length and value of games as a product rather than an experience. So many times even here people have claimed a game is terrible and another game is godly over as much as 2 aggregate points.Â
ConanTheStoner
Only fanboys do that, 90% of us don't give two craps. A game could get 2 and I wouldn't care.
The sad truth is, that is false. Â Ratings drive and halt gaming sales like you wouldnt believe. Â They dont just have an effect on sales, they basically determine them. Â Of course there are plenty of examples to the contrary, but they are the exception rather than the norm.
There is a very concise, thorough study that has been done on this by a company that does nothing but study these trends in the gaming market. Â I'll try to dig up a link.
Really, you would be amazed.
I have bachelors in Business Management and about to get my MBA. I know how well good reviews help sales, or else nobody would boast about them. I just lean that their value in shaping peoples opinions and over all sales is a tad overdone. Crap makes money all the time, look at twilight. Still waiting on another Dark Cloud game, which got some nice reviews. Didn't help much. (FYI, I don't try here 99.9% of the time)
Wait, he says it's not MCs fault but how the industry reacts to it and uses the scores. So not really fvck metacritic, at the end he basically said "Fvck your marketing"Â
seanmcloughlin
Sessler is a moron. The movie industry uses reviews to boost sales as well, so why is gaming any different? Music doesn't seem to care.Because gamers as a whole are idiots who use scores to determine the length and value of games as a product rather than an experience. So many times even here people have claimed a game is terrible and another game is godly over as much as 2 aggregate points. sadly most people don't have the time/money to just go out and take a chance on a game because the devs make sweet looking trailers
He's absolutely right, it's bullsh!t that a few white males, and their opinions, dictate the success of the whole gaming industry in the West. Game marketing is also as shallow as a kiddie pool, made to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
Wait, he says it's not MCs fault but how the industry reacts to it and uses the scores. So not really fvck metacritic, at the end he basically said "Fvck your marketing"Â
TheWalkingGhost
Sessler is a moron. The movie industry uses reviews to boost sales as well, so why is gaming any different? Music doesn't seem to care. Except rotten tomatoes, imdb, or metacritic don't carry nearly the same impact metacritic does on the gaming industry. The other issue Sessler seems to be overlooking isn't just that the pub side is that into the MC score, it's the part where game journalists have made big time scores something we see more frequently than we see via film critics. It's not as simple as just blaming the PR/Publisher guys, the "critics" and game "journalists" are also to blame here. Equally I might argue.
Adam Sessler sucks , He docked GOW:A points because he sucked to bad to get past the trial of Archimedes and because he thought the "bros before hoes" trophy was to offensive.
At that point I could no longer take him seriously.
Wait, he says it's not MCs fault but how the industry reacts to it and uses the scores. So not really fvck metacritic, at the end he basically said "Fvck your marketing"Â
jg4xchamp
Sessler is a moron. The movie industry uses reviews to boost sales as well, so why is gaming any different? Music doesn't seem to care. Except rotten tomatoes, imdb, or metacritic don't carry nearly the same impact metacritic does on the gaming industry. The other issue Sessler seems to be overlooking isn't just that the pub side is that into the MC score, it's the part where game journalists have made big time scores something we see more frequently than we see via film critics. It's not as simple as just blaming the PR/Publisher guys, the "critics" and game "journalists" are also to blame here. Equally I might argue. Critic reviews do, and the oscars is one big industry circle jerk. Of course gamers are more techno inclined are more likely to see these reviews. The days of Siskel and Ebert type influence over movies is dropping, but awards are still huge and carry just as much weight as any review.
]Sessler is a moron. The movie industry uses reviews to boost sales as well, so why is gaming any different? Music doesn't seem to care.TheWalkingGhost
Haaaaah. Sessler is one of the best games journalists around - and there's plenty of damn good games journalists. Not often you get someone who's very on the level and a whole lot more humble about what he does, as well as well informed and pretty damn eloquent. The film industry isn't as hedged on critical reception nearly as much as the games industry - hence why plenty of trite - that's critically slammed can still pull in a huge amount of viewers - the general public often doesn't really care. Not to say this is the rule, but it comes down to videogames being from a more 'enthusiast' consumer background, where buying a game cost far more then any movie ticket - and still generally does - only in recent years has been much cheaper on digital platforms. Haven't watched the video yet though, either way **** metacritic.
Should the developers get bonuses based on the sales or should they get them from a critical score that reflects the quality? I would say the latter is far better but neither is good. Metacritic has become too much of a focus and I can't see anyway to break it.
[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]]Sessler is a moron. The movie industry uses reviews to boost sales as well, so why is gaming any different? Music doesn't seem to care.skrat_01
]The film industry isn't as hedged on critical reception nearly as much as the games industry - hence why plenty of trite - that's critically slammed can still pull in a huge amount of viewers - the general public often doesn't really care.
Just figured I shouled mention, rottentomatoes is a WONDERFUL example of this, especially these last couple months.
Notice how the MAJOPITY of the top 10 movies at the box office are rotten. Last month it was so bad that I think at one point there was literally only 2 fresh movies in the top 10...
The critics can hate on movies all they want, but people still flock to **** at the theater.
The gaming industry on the other hand treats scores like they are the freaking end of the world...
[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]]Sessler is a moron. The movie industry uses reviews to boost sales as well, so why is gaming any different? Music doesn't seem to care.LostProphetFLCL
]The film industry isn't as hedged on critical reception nearly as much as the games industry - hence why plenty of trite - that's critically slammed can still pull in a huge amount of viewers - the general public often doesn't really care.
Just figured I shouled mention, rottentomatoes is a WONDERFUL example of this, especially these last couple months.
Notice how the MAJOPITY of the top 10 movies at the box office are rotten. Last month it was so bad that I think at one point there was literally only 2 fresh movies in the top 10...
The critics can hate on movies all they want, but people still flock to **** at the theater.
The gaming industry on the other hand treats scores like they are the freaking end of the world...
[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"] Only fanboys do that, 90% of us don't give two craps. A game could get 2 and I wouldn't care.TheWalkingGhost
The sad truth is, that is false. Â Ratings drive and halt gaming sales like you wouldnt believe. Â They dont just have an effect on sales, they basically determine them. Â Of course there are plenty of examples to the contrary, but they are the exception rather than the norm.
There is a very concise, thorough study that has been done on this by a company that does nothing but study these trends in the gaming market. Â I'll try to dig up a link.
Really, you would be amazed.
I have bachelors in Business Management and about to get my MBA. I know how well good reviews help sales, or else nobody would boast about them. I just lean that their value in shaping peoples opinions and over all sales is a tad overdone. Crap makes money all the time, look at twilight. Still waiting on another Dark Cloud game, which got some nice reviews. Didn't help much. (FYI, I don't try here 99.9% of the time) going to get an mba and calls something crap cause they dont like it.....your going to be eaten alive in any business.
most of the reviews done by people in foul moods that don't represent the game properly have completely different scores from the average. I choose to ignore a review if it is nothing like the majority of other scores the game has gotten from other sources for that very reason.
the user reviews on metacritic are useless simply because of fanboys and people trying to ruin the reputation of a game so I never look at them. I use other sites for user reviews. having said that you can usually tell which ones mean what they are saying and which ones have just posted for the sake of giving a low score.
[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]Sessler is a moron. The movie industry uses reviews to boost sales as well, so why is gaming any different? Music doesn't seem to care.TheWalkingGhost
Except rotten tomatoes, imdb, or metacritic don't carry nearly the same impact metacritic does on the gaming industry. The other issue Sessler seems to be overlooking isn't just that the pub side is that into the MC score, it's the part where game journalists have made big time scores something we see more frequently than we see via film critics. It's not as simple as just blaming the PR/Publisher guys, the "critics" and game "journalists" are also to blame here. Equally I might argue. Critic reviews do, and the oscars is one big industry circle jerk. Of course gamers are more techno inclined are more likely to see these reviews. The days of Siskel and Ebert type influence over movies is dropping, but awards are still huge and carry just as much weight as any review. Awards are limited to 2 times a year, and you can make an argument that the indie side and the stuff that gets overlooked commercially is what gets recognized there. The commercial block busters of the year don't really benefit from the awards, and given how well they usually score no those scores do not have the same impact in that medium that they have in gaming. Partially because this medium's critics cheapened those scores by being paid for ...well whores.
[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] Except rotten tomatoes, imdb, or metacritic don't carry nearly the same impact metacritic does on the gaming industry. The other issue Sessler seems to be overlooking isn't just that the pub side is that into the MC score, it's the part where game journalists have made big time scores something we see more frequently than we see via film critics. It's not as simple as just blaming the PR/Publisher guys, the "critics" and game "journalists" are also to blame here. Equally I might argue. Critic reviews do, and the oscars is one big industry circle jerk. Of course gamers are more techno inclined are more likely to see these reviews. The days of Siskel and Ebert type influence over movies is dropping, but awards are still huge and carry just as much weight as any review. Awards are limited to 2 times a year, and you can make an argument that the indie side and the stuff that gets overlooked commercially is what gets recognized there. The commercial block busters of the year don't really benefit from the awards, and given how well they usually score no those scores do not have the same impact in that medium that they have in gaming. Partially because this medium's critics cheapened those scores by being paid for ...well whores. nice graphics homes. represent
Wait, he says it's not MCs fault but how the industry reacts to it and uses the scores. So not really fvck metacritic, at the end he basically said "Fvck your marketing"Â
TheWalkingGhost
Sessler is a moron. The movie industry uses reviews to boost sales as well, so why is gaming any different? Music doesn't seem to care.Adam Sessler is one of the most respected people in the video game industry. You're just a random moron who is butthurt.
[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"] Only fanboys do that, 90% of us don't give two craps. A game could get 2 and I wouldn't care.TheWalkingGhost
The sad truth is, that is false. Â Ratings drive and halt gaming sales like you wouldnt believe. Â They dont just have an effect on sales, they basically determine them. Â Of course there are plenty of examples to the contrary, but they are the exception rather than the norm.
There is a very concise, thorough study that has been done on this by a company that does nothing but study these trends in the gaming market. Â I'll try to dig up a link.
Really, you would be amazed.
I have bachelors in Business Management and about to get my MBA. I know how well good reviews help sales, or else nobody would boast about them. I just lean that their value in shaping peoples opinions and over all sales is a tad overdone. Crap makes money all the time, look at twilight. Still waiting on another Dark Cloud game, which got some nice reviews. Didn't help much. (FYI, I don't try here 99.9% of the time) Advertising is the big drive of sales. It's all about advertising.
[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"][QUOTE="Phazevariance"][QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"] I don't, and casuals don't either. Common among hardcore gamers. Hardcore gamers drive word of mouth so their opinions do matter. You seem confused. Not in the least. Hardcore gamers follow upcoming games. They both buy them and hype them to their friends who themselves are either gamers or casuals. Word spread like that very often, and in fact it is how the Wii sold so well since word spread about its fake health benefits in the beginning and how 'fun' wii sports was. If you can't see that then you need to quite the puff puff a little.
You can tell most of the people here didn't watch the video. He's not complaining about metacritic, he's complaining about the industry's practices using metacritic.
[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]Sessler is a moron. The movie industry uses reviews to boost sales as well, so why is gaming any different? Music doesn't seem to care.TheWalkingGhost
Because gamers as a whole are idiots who use scores to determine the length and value of games as a product rather than an experience. So many times even here people have claimed a game is terrible and another game is godly over as much as 2 aggregate points. Only fanboys do that, 90% of us don't give two craps. A game could get 2 and I wouldn't care.Publishers care. The guys at Obsidian didn't get a bonus because they got an 84 instead of 85 for Fallout New Vegas.
[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]]Sessler is a moron. The movie industry uses reviews to boost sales as well, so why is gaming any different? Music doesn't seem to care.LostProphetFLCL
]The film industry isn't as hedged on critical reception nearly as much as the games industry - hence why plenty of trite - that's critically slammed can still pull in a huge amount of viewers - the general public often doesn't really care.
Just figured I shouled mention, rottentomatoes is a WONDERFUL example of this, especially these last couple months.
Notice how the MAJOPITY of the top 10 movies at the box office are rotten. Last month it was so bad that I think at one point there was literally only 2 fresh movies in the top 10...
The critics can hate on movies all they want, but people still flock to **** at the theater.
The gaming industry on the other hand treats scores like they are the freaking end of the world...
Aye aye right on the money. It's a bit sad really, the idea that critical opinion can be calculated like a science is ****ing stupid, this side of metacritic being a ****y website because of their zero transparency in how they calculate their data.
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