The real reason Kuturagi left sony?

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#1 tango90101
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http://www.portableplanet.co.uk/2007/04/27/ps3-sales-underwhelm-sony-says-sayonara-kutaragi/

looks like the ps3 sales are "underwhelming", leading to the departure of Kuturagi.

This must be a huge wake up call for those thinking the ps3 is "selling fine"...

thanks for the memories, Ken...:)

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then i guess the theory was right, he was forced to retire. hey ken, thanks for the psp.
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The whole thing doesn't really make sense. why did he retire/fired so soon after the PS3 launch. its too early to say that the PS3 is heading south. The decisions he made while producing the PS3 would not have doubted company directors and share holders to think it was going in the wrong direction. They were aware of the details and they cannot expect a rapid departure of sales just because of their reputation and past success. Money counts for everything in the eyes of the consumer. It may be that Sony officials/share holders are too big headed and money mongrels, who just want someone to blame because things are'nt going there way.
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#4 StormrageX
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well yea it is looking quite bad for the PS3 right now but quit your job because of that...??
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#5 kage_53
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He still holds a position at Sony.
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#6 DaysAirlines
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It's wierd in Japan, you don't get "fired" you are asked to "leave" and it's understood.
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he probably cant handle that his Playstaion brand isnt doing too well right now.
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#8 FatalDomain
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The whole thing doesn't really make sense. why did he retire/fired so soon after the PS3 launch. its too early to say that the PS3 is heading south. The decisions he made while producing the PS3 would not have doubted company directors and share holders to think it was going in the wrong direction. They were aware of the details and they cannot expect a rapid departure of sales just because of their reputation and past success. Money counts for everything in the eyes of the consumer. It may be that Sony officials/share holders are too big headed and money mongrels, who just want someone to blame because things are'nt going there way.Crystal-Rush

Thats called business...its all one big gamble. The business model used to make the PS1/PS2 successful obviously didnt work in the face of strong competition this gen. Sony underestimated the power of MS and Ninty and both companies came out swinging for the fences while Sony simply launched its system. For a company to have over 60% percent of a market for more than a decade to drop down to single digit numbers is down right embarrassing. Its never too soon to realize your business is in trouble, the question is, what will Sony do to salvage its gaming division because all attempts to climb out of the hole they dug themselves has failed miserably.

Game On...

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He still holds a position at Sony.kage_53

As a consultant. It's basically a ghost job, especially compared to what he had. 

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#10 Zero-G_basic
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that's what he gets for making decisions without getting the A-OK to do so. He got lucky most times that type of move means termination.
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#11 tango90101
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It's wierd in Japan, you don't get "fired" you are asked to "leave" and it's understood.DaysAirlines

NA also, but it really depends on your position within the organization.

Executive Leaders typically don't get "fired" (barring CEO oustings upon board recommendations), but are given the opportunity (polite request) to leave the company with many, many bells and whistles to compensate for the loyalty.

because of this, many failed execs fall UP when ousted...  nice work if you can get it...:)

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#12 ramey70
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then i guess the theory was right, he was forced to retire. hey ken, thanks for the psp.latinrage69

 

Where in the article is it shown that's why he retired?  Sounds like conjecture on the part of the author. 

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[QUOTE="Crystal-Rush"]The whole thing doesn't really make sense. why did he retire/fired so soon after the PS3 launch. its too early to say that the PS3 is heading south. The decisions he made while producing the PS3 would not have doubted company directors and share holders to think it was going in the wrong direction. They were aware of the details and they cannot expect a rapid departure of sales just because of their reputation and past success. Money counts for everything in the eyes of the consumer. It may be that Sony officials/share holders are too big headed and money mongrels, who just want someone to blame because things are'nt going there way.FatalDomain

That called business...it all one big gamble. The business model used to make the PS1/PS2 successful obviously didnt work in the face of strong competition this gen. Sony underestimated the power of MS and Ninty and both companies came out swinging for the fences while Sony simply launched its system. For a company to have over 60% percent of a market for more than a decade to drop down to single digit numbers is down right embarrassing. Its never too soon to realize your business is in trouble, the question is, what will Sony do to salvage its gaming division because all attempts to climb out of the hole they dug themselves has failed miserably.

Game On...

but its way too early for this to be a case of a continuous decline in sales. I'd give it a a couple of years before any solid judgement can be made. you never know though, maybe Sony is in trouble. Nintendo were once like Sony at one point thinking nothing could stop them. business is never a stable venture but a gamble. Maybe Sony have used their last betting chip
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[QUOTE="kage_53"]He still holds a position at Sony.Redmoonxl2

As a consultant. It's basically a ghost job, especially compared to what he had.

He had that in 2005.  I bet when the time is right, he'll get shuffled back in. 

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[QUOTE="Crystal-Rush"]The whole thing doesn't really make sense. why did he retire/fired so soon after the PS3 launch. its too early to say that the PS3 is heading south. The decisions he made while producing the PS3 would not have doubted company directors and share holders to think it was going in the wrong direction. They were aware of the details and they cannot expect a rapid departure of sales just because of their reputation and past success. Money counts for everything in the eyes of the consumer. It may be that Sony officials/share holders are too big headed and money mongrels, who just want someone to blame because things are'nt going there way.FatalDomain

Thats called business...its all one big gamble. The business model used to make the PS1/PS2 successful obviously didnt work in the face of strong competition this gen. Sony underestimated the power of MSand Ninty and both companies came out swinging for the fences while Sony simply launched its system. For a company to have over 60% percent of a market for more than a decade to drop down to single digit numbers is down right embarrassing. Its never too soon to realize your business is in trouble, the question is, what will Sony do to salvage its gaming division because all attempts to climb out of the hole they dug themselves has failed miserably.

Game On...

And there the problem was created they underestimate their opponents. Seriously you never underestimate Microsoft, ever.

Also Nintendo read the market so dam well that the ball is in their court right now. Also TIME is against sony this time. all this "just wait" nonsense doesn't help sony in the present. With MS 1 year early start and Nintendo take over of japan sony is getting hit from both sides.

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[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]It's wierd in Japan, you don't get "fired" you are asked to "leave" and it's understood.tango90101

NA also, but it really depends on your position within the organization.

Executive Leaders typically don't get "fired" (barring CEO oustings upon board recommendations), but are given the opportunity (polite request) to leave the company with many, many bells and whistles to compensate for the loyalty.

because of this, many failed execs fall UP when ousted...  nice work if you can get it...:)

Stocks go up, confidence is restored.
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#17 FatalDomain
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It's wierd in Japan, you don't get "fired" you are asked to "leave" and it's understood.DaysAirlines

Its not just Japan that does this, its a common practice in the corporate world. Corporation never want to appear to be out of control to shareholders and to the public . To save face, they have "early retirement" packages and "honorary positions" in the company but the bottom line is they were fired!

Game On.... 

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#18 Velric
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He stepped down from his position. He did not leave Sony.
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[QUOTE="kage_53"]He still holds a position at Sony.Redmoonxl2

As a consultant. It's basically a ghost job, especially compared to what he had. 

I remember the same thing happened to the guy that made virtual boy.
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#20 FatalDomain
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[QUOTE="FatalDomain"]

[QUOTE="Crystal-Rush"]The whole thing doesn't really make sense. why did he retire/fired so soon after the PS3 launch. its too early to say that the PS3 is heading south. The decisions he made while producing the PS3 would not have doubted company directors and share holders to think it was going in the wrong direction. They were aware of the details and they cannot expect a rapid departure of sales just because of their reputation and past success. Money counts for everything in the eyes of the consumer. It may be that Sony officials/share holders are too big headed and money mongrels, who just want someone to blame because things are'nt going there way.Crystal-Rush

That called business...it all one big gamble. The business model used to make the PS1/PS2 successful obviously didnt work in the face of strong competition this gen. Sony underestimated the power of MS and Ninty and both companies came out swinging for the fences while Sony simply launched its system. For a company to have over 60% percent of a market for more than a decade to drop down to single digit numbers is down right embarrassing. Its never too soon to realize your business is in trouble, the question is, what will Sony do to salvage its gaming division because all attempts to climb out of the hole they dug themselves has failed miserably.

Game On...

but its way too early for this to be a case of a continuous decline in sales. I'd give it a a couple of years before any solid judgement can be made. you never know though, maybe Sony is in trouble. Nintendo were once like Sony at one point thinking nothing could stop them. business is never a stable venture but a gamble. Maybe Sony have used their last betting chip

In the realm of business, there is no such animal as its too early...(yes I said animal 8) ) When rich folks lose money on a stock, they pull out of the business venture. Im sure once the cat was out of the bag that Sony is not in control this gen, shareholders were jumping ship left and right. How much news do you need to hear about Sony and their failures this gen before you believe the truth. When non-gaming professional publications are reporting the gloom and doom present and immediate future of Sony, the sh!t has really hit the fan...

The news you hear now cannot be compared to the gloom and doom articles BEFORE the launch of the PS2, because its a different situation. In the past the PS2 got flack so attempting to take over your living room but after the system launched, the world had Playstation fever...This gen the PS3 launched with lackluster reviews and the hype for the system dropped off the map....Its kinda sad for a anticipated console to fall off the radar so quickly from a company that once dominated the market with an iron fist.

Game On... 

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#21 ramey70
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[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]It's wierd in Japan, you don't get "fired" you are asked to "leave" and it's understood.FatalDomain

Its not just Japan that does this, its a common practice in the corporate world. Corporation never want to appear to be out of control to shareholders and to the public . To save face, they have "early retirement" packages and "honorary positions" in the company but the bottom line is they were fired!

Game On....

 

The term you are looking for is a "Golden Parachute". 

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#22 FatalDomain
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He stepped down from his position. He did not leave Sony.Velric

He did not "step" down as you put it, he was forced out..Its just  P.C. (politically correct) to say a executive simply stepped down from a position, rather than saying he was fired and kicked to the curb!!!

Game On... 

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#23 ramey70
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[QUOTE="Velric"]He stepped down from his position. He did not leave Sony.FatalDomain

He did not "step" down as you put it, he was forced out..Its just P.C. (politically correct) to say a executive simply stepped down from a position, rather than saying he was fired and kicked to the curb!!!

Game On...

 

Do you have a link or any other concrete evidence to support such a claim?  It's possible he was forced out but no one knows for sure. 

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#24 FatalDomain
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[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

[QUOTE="kage_53"]He still holds a position at Sony.jack_russel

As a consultant. It's basically a ghost job, especially compared to what he had.

I remember the same thing happened to the guy that made virtual boy.

That damn thing gave me a headache.... :x

Game On...

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[QUOTE="kage_53"]He still holds a position at Sony.Redmoonxl2

As a consultant. It's basically a ghost job, especially compared to what he had.

basically 

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Hey Crazy Ken!!!!

your fired

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#27 FatalDomain
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[QUOTE="FatalDomain"]

[QUOTE="Velric"]He stepped down from his position. He did not leave Sony.ramey70

He did not "step" down as you put it, he was forced out..Its just P.C. (politically correct) to say a executive simply stepped down from a position, rather than saying he was fired and kicked to the curb!!!

Game On...

 

Do you have a link or any other concrete evidence to support such a claim? It's possible he was forced out but no one knows for sure.

Come on folks, I know we are all gamers and we all have our console preference, but lets also use common sense and logic. Why would the father of the Playstation suddenly "retire" when its new baby, his most profitable franchise has just recently launched in all regions?!?!? That doesnt add up at all!!! This is the time where he would need to be at the helm to make the important decisions to mold the future of his product, not sitting back as a consultant for the company.

You dont need a link to know companies dont "fire" executives, they basically pay them to leave. We arent talking about Billy Bob the janitor who got canned and no one noticed, we are talking about a important executive with high visibility to the world. You cant just drop someone of that caliber and not suffer a financial backlash from the market and shareholders. Corporations dont like to portray a bad image so they simply say, "They left to pursue other endeavors".

Game On...Â