The Reason Why Almost All Console Multiplats Looks Better On X360

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#1 Mystery_Writer
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What is it? memory limitation, or lazy devs?
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#2 theboxmike
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Both

But the cows will come and deny it.........

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#3 Teuf_
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Much easier to dev for.
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#4 rappid_rabbit
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What is it? memory limitation, or lazy devs?Mystery_Writer
A little bit of both I think...more towards lazy devs though. Its relative I guess. Because of the memory limitations, they don't want to find a way to write proper workaround, so they just write quick and dirty code.
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#5 SeanDiff
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It was out longer idiots.
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#6 Xolver
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It was out longer idiots.SeanDiff
Actually, the REAL reason why the PS3's version looks worse is because it has tilt.
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#7 SeanDiff
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PS3 = better

Cell is alot better then xenon

PS3 has better RAM

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#8 Xolver
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PS3 = better

Cell is alot better then xenon

PS3 has better RAM

SeanDiff
Actually, the REAL reason why the PS3 is better is because it has tilt.
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#9 SpaceDragonMan
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PS3 = better

Cell is alot better then xenon

PS3 has better RAM

SeanDiff

 

hey a ps3 fanboy on a gaming forum says that the ps3 hardware is better than 360 hardware. It MUST be true... 

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#10 the-very-best
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I think (although like everyone else am not entirely sure) it's because a) they've had longer time with the 360 and know how to work their way around the hardware and b) PS3 is just harder to develop for.
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#11 djestar
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i would have thought at the end of the day its all about efficiency and profit. instead of being lazy maybe its about time since time is money.
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#12 theboxmike
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PS3 = better

Cell is alot better then xenon

PS3 has better RAM

SeanDiff
I thought the 360 had better Ram?;)
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#13 xxThyLordxx
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lazy devs. with Oblivion being much better on the PS3, this proves its up to the devs. Note: most of these multiplats were developed for X360 then ported to PS3. Games like Resistance, Motorstorm, Virtua Fighter 5 shows a glimpse of what PS3 can do. consoles dont flop, games dont flop, but devs flop.
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#14 jrhawk42
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[QUOTE="SeanDiff"]

PS3 = better

Cell is alot better then xenon

PS3 has better RAM

theboxmike

I thought the 360 had better Ram?;)

the 360 has 512 unified ram which I assume is like having a matched pair on the pc

the ps3 is using 256 of the same type of ram as the 360, and 256 of XDR ram which is faster.  The problem seems to be that all the advantage you gained from using the XDR ram is lost since you don't have your ram in synch.

 

The funny thing is that cows can never really say how much more powerful the ps3 is than the 360 well because honestly nobody knows sony threw together the ps3 in such an odd way that nobody is really quite sure how to optimize it.  One thing that is for sure is that no matter how well optimized the power difference between the ps3 and the 360 is less than the difference between the xbox and ps2.  Most people didn't really see that as a huge deal last gen so it's an even smaller deal now.

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lazy devs. with Oblivion being much better on the PS3, this proves its up to the devs. Note: most of these multiplats were developed for X360 then ported to PS3.

Games like Resistance, Motorstorm, Virtua Fighter 5 shows a glimpse of what PS3 can do.

consoles dont flop, games dont flop, but devs flop.xxThyLordxx
Resistance and Motorstorm arnt even that good........:| and Virtua Fighter 5 is muiltyplat, And after the 360 update.......the 360 version will most likely be better due to online functions

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#16 Raidea
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Much easier to dev for.Teufelhuhn

Exactly. 

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#17 campbell1874
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PS3 = better

Cell is alot better then xenon

PS3 has better RAM

SeanDiff

No matter how many times Sony fanboys keep on repeating that, it will not make it come true.

 Q. What does it mean to be a PS3 fanboy?  A. Just repeat what Sony tell you on how great the PS3 and games will be in the future then just wait and wait and wait ................  Well wait untill they deliver on there promises or untill you find out sony has not been telling you the whole truth again.

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#18 Mystery_Writer
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should we consider multiplats comparison as the deciding factor on which console is more powerful? I mean after all, that's the only objective power comparison that we have between the two.

We could, if everyone agrees, wait for a year and see how many multiplats look better on X360 vs. how many look better on the PS3. And then declare a winner for the most powerful console this gen.

what do you guys think? wouldn't that be fair?

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#19 dlind70
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Another reason:: XNA tools. These make a world of difference when the developer's primary platform is Microsoft based... and for games where the primary platform is Ps3, you will see the difference. But, you'll have to wait untill MGS4. ;)
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#20 project343
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PS3 = better

Cell is alot better then xenon

PS3 has better RAM

SeanDiff
Then why are games typically better on the Xbox 360? :?
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#21 Twisted_Hawk
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[QUOTE="SeanDiff"]

PS3 = better

Cell is alot better then xenon

PS3 has better RAM

project343
Then why are games typically better on the Xbox 360? :?

360 is much easier to develop for than the PS3. It does have better ram, but it's hard to access all of it.
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It was out longer idiots.SeanDiff
The PS2 was out longer than Xbox 1. Yet Halo was graphically superior to any PS2 game ever made. Also, ports were always better on Xbox. Higher res textures, better frame rates, etc. So, the PS3 should show it's power now, if it is truly superior. Instead, people keep making excuses for it.
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#23 Sparky04
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[QUOTE="SeanDiff"]

PS3 = better

Cell is alot better then xenon

PS3 has better RAM

theboxmike
I thought the 360 had better Ram?;)

So did I, I've always heard that the Ps3 had to share its ram with something else in the console when the 360 could have it distributed anywhere.
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#24 Twisted_Hawk
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[QUOTE="SeanDiff"]It was out longer idiots.Berserker_2
The PS2 was out longer than Xbox 1. Yet Halo was graphically superior to any PS2 game ever made. Also, ports were always better on Xbox. Higher res textures, better frame rates, etc. So, the PS3 should show it's power now, if it is truly superior. Instead, people keep making excuses for it.

We can only blame it on Sony.
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#25 TheSystemLord1
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[QUOTE="SeanDiff"]It was out longer idiots.Berserker_2

The PS2 was out longer than Xbox 1. Yet Halo was graphically superior to any PS2 game ever made. Also, ports were always better on Xbox. Higher res textures, better frame rates, etc.

So, the PS3 should show it's power now, if it is truly superior. Instead, people keep making excuses for it.

haha awsome point man its so true.  If the PS3 is really and truly so much more powerful than the 360 then the difference should be as apparent as Halo was back in the day. 

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I'm guessing they develop first on the 360 because it is easier to work on, then they port it to the PS3, which they do try to optimize for, but usually not enough.
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#27 Kekira
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Didn't you hear? PS3's hardware is so complex it's harder to dev for.
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#28 LosDaddie
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lazy devs. with Oblivion being much better on the PS3, this proves its up to the devs. Note: most of these multiplats were developed for X360 then ported to PS3.

xxThyLordxx

:lol:

The only thing cows can grasp onto is a one year old port. Cows don't have the courage to list games simultaneously released on both consoles! :lol:

 

On Topic:

Take your pick:

Better dev tools.

Hardware designed with games in mind.

Better GPU

Any of those will suffice. The PS3 being delayed a year basically kills the typical cow "but....bu....but....teh xflop1.5 had and extra year of dev time...." argument.

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#29 dmb34
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one reason is the 360 has slightly more ram and when you compare the gpu in both consoles vs their pc counterparts the ati slightly edges out the nvidia. At this point it doesnt really matter how powerful the cell is, if the gpu cant render fast enough then devs will have to slightly cut back on the "eye candy" and imo why the 360 is better balanced as far as hardware goes.
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#30 LosDaddie
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[QUOTE="SeanDiff"]It was out longer idiots.Berserker_2

The PS2 was out longer than Xbox 1. Yet Halo was graphically superior to any PS2 game ever made. Also, ports were always better on Xbox. Higher res textures, better frame rates, etc.

So, the PS3 should show it's power now, if it is truly superior. Instead, people keep making excuses for it.

Ownage approved!! :D

The Xbox displayed its superiority over the PS2 on day one. The PS3 should be able to do the same if it was truly superior.

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#31 turgore
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PS3 = better

Cell is alot better then xenon

PS3 has better RAM

SeanDiff

 

LoL. No. 

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#32 turgore
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Didn't you hear? PS3's hardware is so complex it's harder to dev for.Kekira

 

More like messy and broken up. 

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[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]lazy devs. with Oblivion being much better on the PS3, this proves its up to the devs. Note: most of these multiplats were developed for X360 then ported to PS3.

LosDaddie

:lol:

The only thing cows can grasp onto is a one year old port. Cows don't have the courage to list games simultaneously released on both consoles! :lol:

 

On Topic:

Take your pick:

Better dev tools.

Hardware designed with games in mind.

Better GPU

Any of those will suffice. The PS3 being delayed a year basically kills the typical cow "but....bu....but....teh xflop1.5 had and extra year of dev time...." argument.

if you did any research you find that almost all multiplatform games have come out for the 360 first.here are two decent game i could find released on the same day.

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/defjam3/images.html

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/defjam3/images.html

they look pretty cloes to me. the 360 does have a little advantage.

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/sports/nbastreet4/images.html

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/sports/nbastreet4/images.html

those two look almost the exact same. i have know idea what you mean about 360 being so superior to ps3 on games released the same day.

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#34 diablo_human
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I think it's because there's more 360s, so developers put there best teams at work on the 360 project, and the secondary teems on the ps3, or wii, so the 360 version will sell more. My guess anyway.
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#35 LosDaddie
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[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]lazy devs. with Oblivion being much better on the PS3, this proves its up to the devs. Note: most of these multiplats were developed for X360 then ported to PS3.

polishpride4444

:lol:

The only thing cows can grasp onto is a one year old port. Cows don't have the courage to list games simultaneously released on both consoles! :lol:

 

On Topic:

Take your pick:

Better dev tools.

Hardware designed with games in mind.

Better GPU

Any of those will suffice. The PS3 being delayed a year basically kills the typical cow "but....bu....but....teh xflop1.5 had and extra year of dev time...." argument.

if you did any research you find that almost all multiplatform games have come out for the 360 first.here are two decent game i could find released on the same day.

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/defjam3/images.html

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/defjam3/images.html

they look pretty cloes to me. the 360 does have a little advantage.

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/sports/nbastreet4/images.html

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/sports/nbastreet4/images.html

those two look almost the exact same. i have know idea what you mean about 360 being so superior to ps3 on games released the same day.

I never said "so" superior. Just "superior". Clearly you have provided proof of that.

If Teh CELL & Teh RSX were so much better as cows believe, then the game would show it....just like XBox games did to PS2 games last gen.

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should we consider multiplats comparison as the deciding factor on which console is more powerful? I mean after all, that's the only objective power comparison that we have between the two.

We could, if everyone agrees, wait for a year and see how many multiplats look better on X360 vs. how many look better on the PS3. And then declare a winner for the most powerful console this gen.

what do you guys think? wouldn't that be fair?

Mystery_Writer
Not really because there is no real way of knowing if the multiplats that are better on either system are a result of the system itself or because the developer was to lazy to make both versions equal.
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#37 crazyguy92
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Both

But the cows will come and deny it.........

theboxmike


u know, recently, our multiplats have been looking better....our oblivion is looking better (i know, more dev time), Armored Core 4 sure looks better, Virtua Tennis 3 does....and if you read the preview for Spiderman 3, they say our visuals are a bit better too.....
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What is it? memory limitation, or lazy devs?Mystery_Writer
Oblivion. Thread down! I repeat thread down! Get a wambulance!
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What is it? memory limitation, or lazy devs?Mystery_Writer
A better title would be: Why almost all UBISOFT multiplatform games look better on x360. And that can be chalked up to lazyness
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Much easier to dev for.Teufelhuhn

One of the only correct answers; the other being 'porting.'  Games built from the ground up on the PS3 look much better than their multi-plat counterparts.

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#41 Hadoken_Kid
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AC4, oblivion both look better on ps3. its just ubiport and thier crap games they port over. its not to just ps3 its to wii also. ubisoft simply just dont care. its a doulbe edge sword too. if consumers dont buy the crappy ports companys put on other consoles say the wii and ps3. they will drop support of the console and blame the consumer for less 3rd party support.
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#42 Bgrngod
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What is it? memory limitation, or lazy devs?Mystery_Writer
Early in the PS3's life cycle. This is exactly what was happening when the original Xbox came out. Xbox was more powerful but was getting ports that didn't perform as well. It took awhile for this to turn around and the games to start looking better on the Xbox. I bet this will happen for PS3 too. More time with the system for devs means more usage of the resources.
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#43 deactivated-5a28cb1c71427
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Lazy Devs no doubt, but we have yet to see a multiplatform game built from the ground up on the PS3 then ported to the 360...once a couple of those come out we can confirm this statement (hopefully :P).
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#44 Mystery_Writer
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Lazy Devs no doubt, but we have yet to see a multiplatform game built from the ground up on the PS3 then ported to the 360...once a couple of those come out we can confirm this statement (hopefully :P).Spag1091
wasn't Virtua Tennis announced first for the PS3? if so, wouldn't that indicate the development of the PS3 version started before the X360?
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#45 XboxUnderground
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It was out longer idiots.SeanDiff
which means it should have much worse graphics :|
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#46 MichaelSoft
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What is it? memory limitation, or lazy devs?Mystery_Writer
They had a year with 360 to be accustomed to it, the ps3 on the other hand is new.
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#47 Ibacai
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Much easier to dev for.Teufelhuhn
Yes...cost, time, and challenge.
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#48 Marka1700
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Sheep were not allowed to use lazy deve but cows think they can? All fanboys are hypocrites.
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#49 omarguy01
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probably cuz they know 360 hardware better + better gpu
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#50 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="Mystery_Writer"]What is it? memory limitation, or lazy devs?Bgrngod


Early in the PS3's life cycle. This is exactly what was happening when the original Xbox came out. Xbox was more powerful but was getting ports that didn't perform as well. It took awhile for this to turn around and the games to start looking better on the Xbox. I bet this will happen for PS3 too. More time with the system for devs means more usage of the resources.

I don't think that was the case last gen. From the beginning, most multiplats (like Splinter Cell) were better on the XBox (exceptions were the EA sports games, a problem attributed more to contractual disagreements).